London G20 protest turns deadly
source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/04/200941223829989463.html
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PostFactMedia
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First they attacked him, then they didn't help him, they charged the crowd he was in an protesters protected him from being trampled on and then the police came in and forcefully removed the first aider and refused to speak to the 999 operator another protester had on the mobile. I wonder if he might have lived, had they just left the first aider do what she was doing with the support of the 999 operator. In one Interview she says, she had just been told to turn him on his back and was expecting to be told to start CPR when she was removed. Maybe those precious seconds (minutes?) might have made a difference.
- 3 years ago
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PostFactMedia
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abbym0308
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User PostFactMedia has posted an interview with eye witnesses of Ian Tomlinson's death, and according to what they saw, the mainstream press have it all wrong. Apparently the demonstrators were trying to helping the man and only one bottle was thrown at police... not an onslaught of "missiles" that impeded the police from moving him.
- 3 years ago
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abbym0308
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abbym0308
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Here's a really good opinion piece by Johann Hari from the Independent explaining why we need to listen to the protesters, and why we shouldn't be content to sit at home in silence anymore.
- 3 years ago
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abbym0308
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abbym0308
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Ha. Here's something to give the protesters more to protest about. London's hosting the G20 summit is expected to cost taxpayers £80 million... more than four times the official estimate.
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abbym0308
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loveunit
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what the hell is going on.. what are we ever going to achieve by one normal person attacking another - this is absurd.
and the whole thing captured, streamed and twittered live to feed the hungry desires of the watching worldwide audience.. but all in less than 140 characters.. or else..
it worked for Gandhi and it will work again, sit down, breath deeply, stop going to work, stop consuming, protest each and every day.. don't make it a special occasion, all hyped up and testosterone flowing... non-violence is key.
- 3 years ago
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loveunit
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Aglad
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My friend saw this and was not impressed:
"nothing beats the most touching moment of yesterday, when a protestor collapsed with a heart attack, the police tried to pick him up and help him, so more idiots started throwing stuff at the police so they couldn't move him. He died in the end. Nice one protestors."
"watching people verbally abusing and physically attacking policemen who were simply standing there in silence, or people who had gone to work that day wearing a suit and had gone out to buy a sandwich at lunchtime, or smashing up a bank that the British taxpayers themselves have just bought a large part of is possibly the most cowardly, bigoted and pathetic behaviour I have ever seen."
- 3 years ago
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Aglad
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richjm
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There's some amazing pics of Wednesday's protests at the link above.
- 3 years ago
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richjm
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jonbrooks
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I wonder what all these people would do if they didnt have something to moan about?
If the world was all perfect they'd be completely gutted wouldnt they?
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jonbrooks
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PHILLINJA
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jonbrooks:
They'd find something to moan about!
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PHILLINJA
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abbym0308
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The police have raided two squats they believe are in connection with yesterday's protests. Supposedly a "peace vigil" was being held at the two spaces evicted, Rampart and the Convergence space. According to tweets from the streets, many people have been arrested at Convergence. http://twitter.com/lasthours
http://london.indymedia.org.uk/ - 3 years ago
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abbym0308
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PHILLINJA
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abbym0308:
To be fair to the fuzz, do you really expect them to take half a chance when 20 of the World's most significant leaders are in town! HELL NO! They've got to be seen as taking action, and u never know what crack pot hippie schemes these preotesters could be planning.
In all seriousness tho, after yesterdays events the police will be taking no chances what so ever, its of little surprise or consequence. If protesters (and Im flagarenlty pigeon holing here, yet again) are prepared to smash up a few buildings they should expect a little "rough treatment" themselves... If you cant take the heat...
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PHILLINJA
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abbym0308
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abbym0308:
True. People should know that when they go out to protest, they're putting themselves at risk of being arrested or hurt or both. And I'm sure that there's plenty of provoking happening from all sides -- cops, protesters, media people looking for the shot that's gonna sell or the big headline...
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abbym0308
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Apparently it wasn't a Fathers4Justice man but Alain Robert also known as "Spiderman"
He unfurled a yellow banner warning of "100 months" to save the world.
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AnnieMole
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richjm
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The main groups who protested yesterday are doing a slow march through the City to pay tribute to the man who died yesterday.
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richjm
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PHILLINJA makes some pretty good points. I'm all for the people getting out there and protesting as long as they know what they are protesting about. It does seem that far too many people with nothing better to do than look for trouble were out yesterday and gave the genuine protest marchers a bad name. The way it was covered didn't help the message that people were trying to put out there. In the London Paper on the way home they had what they served up as the 'two sides of the argument, Banker v Protester' when you read on, the the person protesting was against climate change not exactly a match up is it? Lazy Journalism?
I feel for the genuine people who have lost jobs and protest because of this financial situation not the people who would be unemployed no matter what the economic circumstances.
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benson5
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PHILLINJA
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I was out ther yesterday envoking my right to protest, waving my tenner at all the hippies and throwing eggs at the AIG building, but thats just a normal day in the office. I personally dont see what all the fuss is about half the people out there protesting havent got a clue what theyre protesting for, all they know is that it was the big bad banks and fat cat execs who landed us in "this mess"! But what mess? Some one show me one of those protesters who can explain to me exactly "what mess" our economy is in and how it came to pass. I bet you can barely find one maybe a handful at best, the rest are lazy lay about hippies more bothered about global warming and recycling (not entirely unrelated to the G20 summit, but not exactly its main focus) and have nothing better to do then collect their dole money and cause trouble... perhaps if they put the same effort into typing up their CV's and getting an education rather than protesting they might find themselves still in employment. Which lets face is why they are lashing out at decent hard working people who top up their doel money with OUR TAXES. Its the ur rich were poor scenario, lets protest and smash up a bank. Its a load of bollox!!!
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PHILLINJA
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karlos_dawise
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PHILLINJA:
You need to wake up and open your third eye to what is really happening,
The powers that be have made the world crumble so they can bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER.
If you have no idea what this means, I suggest you Google it....
That is what the G20 are doing, although they are mostly puppets doing what they are told and no real conception of what it all means to the families caught up in this illusion we call reality.
Your coments make me feel like you are very narrow-minded, Not all supporters of protest are hippys with no jobs, what makes you so great? how far is your head up your own arse?
Most of the protesters i saw down there last night were hard workers, like myself, what makes me laugh is the fact that without the hard working types that were there last night, your perfect little excistance would not excist.
Without these people who make your bread, build houses, empty your bins, fix your car, teach children, look after the sick, nurse the elderly, sweep the streets, work in the banks, drive the vans/ lorrys/ buses/ trains,
your life would be shit, so remember that when you try to look down on people, you owe these people thanks.One more thing i bet you work for the bbc or some other corperate media smear campain.
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PHILLINJA
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PHILLINJA:
Karlos, put the hash cakes back in the fridge they're makin u paranoid! There is no NEW WORLD ORDER! Economies usually go through periods of BOOM & RECESSION its called the BUSINESS CYCLE (I suggest you look those words up on google) and at the mo were in recession, its nothing new & I cant believe the Gov would intentionally steer our economy into a recession and risk losing the next election? Doesnt make sense does it???
Just to clarify:
My head isnt up my arse, i work just as hard as you and i have absolute respect for those who go out and earn a crust in what ever job they may do. I'd hasten to add that my existence is far from perfect and that many peoples lives would be shit should all those you mention fail to turn up for work! Urs included... and no I dont work for the BBC.Word
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PHILLINJA
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JC22
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Apparently there is a protester climbing up the outside of Lloyds of London in the City.
I can just make out a few coppers about half way up from my office window
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JC22
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JC22
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Walked up to Bank at lunch, pretty funny scenes. Its was like a cross between Notting Hill and Glade
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catchiecoo
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WTF is with the dead body just appearing at 7.30pm? That guy was totally hired by the media to expire so that headlines could read "Deadly G20 Riots".
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catchiecoo
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abbym0308
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catchiecoo:
Apparently the guy was inside the police cordon and they weren't letting anyone out. He stopped breathing and someone alerted the cops, and instead of pulling him out of there to treat him, they sent the medics in to try to resuscitate him. Some reports are saying he died of a heart attack.
Sounds like demonstrations today are much quieter, and the media to protester ratio is about 1:1.
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abbym0308
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catchiecoo:
Is that the guy who died?
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catchiecoo
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abbym0308
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catchiecoo:
No... they haven't released his name. It's just the image that runs with the article from the Guardian... isn't it interesting how placement of shocking images can add to the intensity of a story and set up a potentially different understanding of what really happened. (OK, I'm guilty of this by not changing the photo here...)
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abbym0308
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karlos that sounds very much right the media hyping the negitvie aspects of the protest. I have not been down there and cant but my prayers and throughts go with the G20 and the protesters
Peace always
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john_b
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i went there last night around 20.00, it was very peacefull (well the protesters were). There was so many police in full riot gear, battons and sheilds ready to beat people down....
The protesters that set up a camp were blocked in, they couldnt get in or OUT, therefore no-one could go to the toilet, get a drink or go home. They was surrounded by police with shields and face masks, it was a boiling pot ready to burst, because the people were trapped!!!!
All you could here was the police buzzing around in their choppers and pointless-ly speeding around in their vans and cars with seirens blazing... This made people feel very uneasy, Pure mind games by the fuzz.
When you look at the media all you see and hear are the words "riots/ rioters" the words peace/ peacefull are never used because the media are planting the seeds in our brains that brian wash us into beliving that protesting is wrong and socially unacceptable..
When i came into work this morning it became very clear to me that im surrounded by mindless - brainwashed fools, like most people who cant think for themselves.
Welcome to 1984
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karlos_dawise
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richjm
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From The Guardian:
"As protesters began to gather, after 11am, some City workers were seen waving £10 notes at them from office windows."
Smooth, guys. Reeeeal smooth.
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richjm
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richjm:
That's upsetting.
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richjm:
I have a friend who works in the city and some of the traders in his company had invited them to go down and sip champagne in front of the protesters. They left work at 11:30am to hang around in the bars and basically antagonise them, then at around 4pm they went back to their desks.
I can't think for the life of me why people don't have any time for these people.
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benson5
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PHILLINJA
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richjm:
SMOOTHER THAN SMASHING UP ABANK MATE!
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PHILLINJA
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jonbrooks
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richjm:
C'mon would you really expect bankers to act any differently, theyre genetically designed to be c**ts?
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PHILLINJA
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richjm:
I'm no merchant banker but I do work in The City... How do you expect us all to react when god knows how many thousands of people descend upon our places of work shouting this, that and the other (mostly obscenities), smashing windows and the like??? Its gonna put ur back up and ur gonna react, I wonder how those of you at Current Towers would react should the same happen to u (apart from breaking out the video camera & writing a blog about it)!!! Would you goad the protesters, hell yeah you would, f*ck em!!!
Most companies yesterday told their staff not to venture into work and put themselves at risk, those that could worked from home, execs didnt dare park their cars on the city's streets for fear of having them vandalised and buildings beefed up their security.
I thinks its harsh to label them c**ts, remember whos yard ur in and show some respect. People dont realise how important the financial sector is to the UK!
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PHILLINJA
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richjm:
Phillinja,
the people were antagonizing peaceful protestors before anything wad destroyed.90% of the people there wanted a completely peaceful protest and we were treated like criminals so then even more people got angry.
If people weren't letting you say what you wanted too and kept you penned in for hours like animals I think alot of people would get violent. Nevermind that the banks have completely screwed people over.
It is tragic that a man died but there were elderly people at the protest yesterday not allowed to leave to even goto the bathroom and all of this was before there was any sort of violence.
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super_ally
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Sadly the disruption takes away the gloss of an otherwise peaceful demonstration. When will these cretins learn that their violence and vandalism only dilute the message and create pariahs for the media.
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SW2
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You're so right I thought the same thing. The police seemed over provocative. What's with the media's estimates on the number of protesters the BBC says "Police estimate there to be around 5,000 - rubbish! There looked to be way more than that, RT (Russia Today) reckoned there were around 35,000 and that was at 13.00.
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NJ2D
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Dflo
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The man "collapsed and stopped breathing" and the police "found him". Yeah right...
If there was anyone looking for trouble over there it was the police itself.
George Monbiot wrote on his blog on the Guardian:
"The trouble-makers are out in force again. Dressed in black, their faces partly obscured, some of them appear to be interested only in violent confrontation. It’s almost as if they are deliberately raising the temperature, pushing and pushing until a fight kicks off. But this isn’t some disorganised rabble: these people were bussed in and are plainly acting in concert. There’s another dead giveaway. They are all wearing the same slogan: Police."
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Dflo
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abbym0308
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Here's some more. Perhaps you saw the guy with the bloody head on the BBC coverage? Well, here he is up close and personal.
It's kinda crazy how parts of the protests were quite tame and peaceful, and part of them produced footage like this.
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abbym0308
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abbym0308
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Here's some front line footage from the protests at the Bank of England. Media coverage was interesting to watch today because, after all the hyping up of potential violence leading up to the event, they spent most of their efforts today talking about how peaceful the events were (which most of them were) but showing the scenes from the clashes with police like this one. I wonder what will become of this
(NSFW language)
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