More gun control, please

gun control doesn't have to mean taking guns away. it should be much harder to get guns. it is much to easy to get an assault weapon. I have a friend who wanted to buy an AR-15. i went with to see what the gun shop was all about. that same day he walked out with the gun, two clips and way too much ammo. the government doesn't need to take guns away, they need to regulate the amount of guns one person has, and how easy guns can be obtained and resold..

Memphis is a war zone. Someone gets shot every day. I don't like carrying a gun, but what do you do? The police are corrupt, the city counsel could care less and refuse to do anything about it, the Mayor has said he can't keep people from shooting each other, and he's the Mayor! What are people who live and work in Memphis supposed to do? There is no law enforcement, gangs run wild, I'm just trying to pay my bills. Everyone I know carries a gun, it's the way things are. It's the wild west.

no more guns!! how many more people have to die??

yeah guns just make it faster and easier. i am pro gun. im anti assault rifles. we should go back to having to beat someone to death. im sure the death rate would drop if people had to work for death.

lame... don't forget people were killing eachother long before guns were even invented. to think that gun control will keep people from killing eacher is just stupid.

reminds me that stats on cross-bow shootings, stabbings, spearing, fatal beatings and strangulations went up in britian when they banned guns.

people will always kill and harm others, guns or not. they'll use a damn sword or even a steak knife...

Anybody who thinks gun control is fine and nothing needs to be done, please open your eye's. On the 8th of this month, my friend was accidentally shot in the head and died instantly. There are around 15 or so gun's in the house they do not Hunt, or Target practice. In any room you walk in the is a loaded gun, with one in the chamber. Another one of my friend's who is 19 has a 9mm, I wouldn't trust him with a pen cap much less a loaded gun. In short, guns in this country are absolutely OUT OF CONTROL!!! In the south everybody has a gun, or 10. I know its our right, but honestly I don't feel safe in my own hometown, something has to be done.

if one lives in America i think we should just except - we have guns. i think its hilarious that most of the people shooting and freaking out are the same people that are telling everyone - there gun rights are going to be taken away- really getting there sides point across i can see....ahahahahahahhaahahahah!!! i don't think you can really control guns in America. that's why i spend a lot of time in Europe, ups my lifetime expectancy :)

Gun control?........That's a loaded question!

Huntre I don't get it!!!! You want stronger regulations on automatic weapons? Goodness man they haven't made a transferable automatic weapon since may of 1986. That of course makes the cost higher i.e., an M-16 will cost you around $16-20K. Then you add the $200 tax stamp. Then you have a FULL background check with ATF that is presently taking around 4-6 months before you can possess the piece.

I don't know of ANYONE that has bought an automatic weapon and as you say and "... never set foot on a rifle range and need those extra bullets to actually hit something."

The truth is that all "Automatic" owners are collectors/enthusiasts. Not potshot spray and pray high school kids.

Quoting you again "...someone sitting in their kitchen being hit by a stray bullet that came through the wall due to something going down outside that the victim had nothing to do with." This exaggerated, twisted fact is usually related to drive-by shootings. By definition .... illegal, performed by CRIMINALS who by definition..... DON'T FOLLOW the laws already in place. We need additional Criminal control. Take their illegal guns away ...... put them AND their illegal suppliers in prison. But for God's sake don't take add more difficult regulation to law abiding citizens' ownership.

"We need SMARTER regulation." More Government regulation=decreased gun rights=more registration.Besides who said the government was SMARTER? Seems you are a fan of the government with wanting additional regulations! So let's start adding more government control for the officials that already lie, cheat on their taxes, look down their noses at citizens as a lower life form and vote themselves larger salaries/awesome Health benefits/retirement plans that you and I can NEVER have access to receive. The same government that has passed legislation allowing OUR jobs to go overseas while leaving us in a financial depression, because they personally can benefit.

SO Let's add more government control to everything that might possibly harm one of us or an innocent bystander and see how long it takes the corrupt to abuse it ..... again.

We need Gas registration as gas is what fuels vehicles that hit pedestrians, run into houses of innocent bystanders, take drunk drivers out on the road. Besides more people died in GAS burning vehicles last year than were shot with legal guns and ammo. Let's make the registered gas buyers be suspect for ANYTHING that MIGHT happen with gas.

We need alcohol consumption registration ....... buy a six pack-fill out a background check. That way people that have already received a DUI or a domestic violence or a disorderly conduct etc...with alcohol involved would be screened out. Additionally ANYONE who consumes alcohol would be suspect for littering beer cans in the yards of innocent bystanders , driving under the influence, supplying to minors etc ...... They would then be suspects for ANYTHING that MIGHT happen with alcohol.

Why is it that everyone believes in full use, no matter how nonsensical the words, of the first amendment, but at the same time want to put all kinds of "REGULATIONS" on the second?

What part of INFRINGED don't you understand?

Gun control laws aren't going to do anything. It just means that law abiding citizens won't have guns.

The modern American who buys a firearm for self-protection is saying, "I recognize that life involves danger, and by owning a weapon I accept my responsibility to protect myself and those who are entitled to my protection-- my wife/husband, children, parents, and perhaps friends and neighbors." An American who shoots at targets for recreation is practicing a form of self-discipline similar to kyudo (Japanese archery). If you are attacked by a criminal, it is the person with the armed-citizen mindset who is more likely to call the police. If you're in a car accident, this is the person who is more likely to stop and give first aid if possible, or else call an ambulance for you. The antigun activist is likely to look the other way, like the New Yorkers did when Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death. They didn't want to get involved, not even to the extent of picking up a telephone. More recently, a cab driver was attacked and robbed in the presence of dozens of New Yorkers, of whom not one called the police. You could probably bleed to death on a New York sidewalk while dozens of people walked past; these are the same people who parade in the Million Mom March and elect mayors and governors who enact handgun bans.

Many antigun activists are saying, "I do not want to recognize that life involves danger. I deserve to live in a protected environment, and I should not have to think about protecting myself, my spouse, my parents, my children, or my neighbors. This is the 21st century, and violence simply should not happen." It's the same mindset that went with the "ban the Bomb" movements of the 1970s and 1980s; they wanted to legislate the Bomb out of existence and pretend that nuclear war couldn't (and can't) happen. The mice voted to put a bell on the cat so they'd be safe. It all goes with dodging and avoiding responsibility, and the moral (and often physical) cowardice that goes with this mindset. Placing responsibility for violence on the inanimate object (the gun or the Bomb) instead of on people goes with it.

A gentleman was once defined as one who would rather be a dead lion than a live louse (or rabbit). It is really easier, though, to be a live lion than a live rabbit. Xenophon's The Persian Expedition says, "...the people whose one aim is to keep alive usually find a wretched and dishonorable death, while the people who, realizing that death is the common lot of all men, make it their endeavor to die with honor, somehow seem more often to reach old age and to have a happier life when they are alive." So it is with antigun activists and gun rights supporters. The former seek safety in ineffective laws and "this is how the world ought to be," and they find no safety; the latter look to themselves for security, and they are secure. Xenophon's Ten Thousand heeded his advice and most came safely home to Greece. Ronald Reagan and George Bush won the Cold War, not by trying to ban the Bomb, but by looking it in the face.. We, the supporters of the Second Amendment, are Xenophon's disciples, and that is why we will win; the lions will beat the rabbits every time.

BTW, in 2005 guns were BANNED in DC yet they still had more murders than 10 states COMBINED.

Hey people. How can ten states, with nearly 20 times the number of people, have fewer murders than the nation’s capital? Could the following list maybe mean guns aren’t the problem?

2005
homicides population

Alaska 32 663,661
Delaware 37 843,524
Hawaii 24 1,275,194
Idaho 35 1,429,096
Montana 18 935,670
North Dakota 7 636,677
Rhode Island 34 1,076,189
South Dakota 18 775,933
Utah 56 2,469,585
Wyoming 14 509,294

10 state total 275 10,614,823

Washington DC 301 550,521

USA 16,740 296,507,061

It’s worth repeating. TEN STATES COMBINED had fewer murders than the nation’s capital. Lots and lots of guns in most of those states too folks.

In addition to homicides, 2005 Department of Justice statistics show 94,347 forcible rapes, 417,438 robberies, 862,220 aggravated assaults. Now just how many of those 1,374,005 victims do you suppose wished for a firearm at some point? I wonder how many of the 94,347 rape victims were wishing they had had a neat little 357 snub nose to whip out on their rapist BEFORE being raped. The police did NOTHING to stop these assaults people. The police arrive AFTER the crime. Also worthy of mention; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported, also for 2005, 23,618 deaths by unintentional poisoning, 19,656 deaths attributed to an unintentional fall and 12,352 homicides by firearms. So, according to the CDC, a person is over three times more likely to die from a fall or unintentional poisoning than from a firearm. Imagine that.

Sources:
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Homicide/State/StatebyState.cfm
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeStatebyState....
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/acc-inj.htm

NO, NO, NO. It is people that kill other people, taking guns from law abiding citizens will not stop killers from killing. The man in Pittsburgh had a vague history of trouble brewing in his head. He commited assult/battery on his girlfriend and she had a court order against him.
And why did he have a vest on?
This guy was passed reason.
He sustained a slight wound to his lower extremity and was transfered to the jail infirmiry late last night.

If you can't trust the one's with the guns, who can you trust. Geo. Washington had muskets back in their day. and back when i was a teen I got in a few ( very few ) fights, and i didn't need a gun. young people ( and some older) are just to spoiled and sissified. Put down the gun and fight like a man if you have to, and if you lose take your lumps and get over it.

I actually went through and read all the positions both for and against possession of guns. Those against generally demonstrated an abysmal knowledge of reality, civil rights, the workings of government and gun facts. They refer to those who have guns by descriptions such as "rednecks" and "right wing assholes". Most of the adjectives those of us who value freedom and the Constitution use in describing the "antis" are rather simple. We call them victims. Never seen so many people so wrong on an issue. If you don't want guns in your house than don't have them. If you try to confiscate the guns, or any other personal property, of someone who has them and he shoots you it is your own damn fault and you deserved it. You people need to get your facts straight and your priorities in order before you vilify those who stand for freedom. It is bad enough that we have an entire administration and federal legislative bodies that ignore the Constitution in favor of state authority. The people should not buy into that. To do so makes them an enemy.

No, the bad guys are the lawmakers that are trying to take away our right to defend our selves.

Gun Control is a complete farce. A joke!! A scam for the shield for the ultimate "CONTROL" People Control. Once you start to impose one control it makes it much easier to impose yet another and another and another. Look around you and see.

I realize the gun control point has been over discussed and will likely never be resolved. 25 years ago I lived in a free state of California before it was destroyed. Now I live in a free state of Arizona, where I can see CA from my back yard. Close enough!

Here I can own and carry ANY WEAPON openly. Brady check with FBI for ANY pistol, rifle or shotgun. Own it that day, go out to the range and shoot it. 8 hour class for a statewide concealed carry permit of weapons. Class 3 weapons are more difficult, but if you have a clean background and pay your $200 tax stamp you can own a machine gun, Tank, Silencer, flame thrower etc in about 4 months. Great functional collectibles!

The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia on the other hand has slowly taken many of the "People's" rights away. 2nd Amendment only discussed at this time; You have to wait for at least 15 days to get a gun you have already paid for, you have to have a Kalifornia approved Lock. (Although a locked gun is as good as a rock in a fight) You have to register your gun. You CANNOT get a statewide Concealed Carry permit even if you are MILITARY or LAW ENFORCEMENT. You cannot own a magazine with more than 10 round capacity. You cannot own semi-automatic sporting rifles with detachable magazines if they have an evil pistol grip or flash hider on them. You cannot own a long list of rifles PERIOD see list here http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf OVER 100 types of rifles ALONE. But it still didn't stop a scumbag CRIMINAL from shooting officers in Oakland with one.

Now they have banned thousands of pistols that can't be sold in Kalifornia without paying the state to do a "DROP" test. Then God forbid you change the type of sights on an already "deemed Kalifornia safe" pistol. You have to pay for a NEW drop test to sell it to the public.

People control I tell you. The people of California were not paying attention while 1 by 1 there 2nd amendment has been nearly stripped away. Sad it is taken by gun toting elitists like Boxer and Feinstein who believe they have the right to own and carry guns while the rest of Kalifornia does not.

Scumbag criminals will NEVER follow the rules. It is already against the law to hit people...it's against the law to steal from people...it's against the law to enter someone's home and steal or hurt them...it's against the law to kill someone. Criminals know this already, but it doesn't stop them.

I'd rather have a loaded gun in my hand than a friendly cop on the phone. When that happens.

Most of the time these criminals get there weapons illegally. which obviously bypasses any gun control laws. you can make it harder but somebody bent on destruction will find a way

I really feel that guns are important. The only gun control should be between parents and their children.

f*** already lets put down those guns and grab some guitars :D maybe some synths and keyboards

Let the police and military keep their guns and missiles and WMD's, but at least allow me to keep my 12 gauge so that I might try to protect myself from them.

If a gun ever kills someone then, by all means, let me know because I really must take a photo of it! A gun does not harbor the ability to consciously harm something. Only when placed in the hands of someone capable of using it would it ever even operate, but that is still the fault of the person in control.

That is what we need, better training and responsible people.

thats a pretty stupid arguement darlin. it gives the right to freedom of speech but it doesnt say you can do it on the phone because there weren't phones back then. does that mean you dont or shouldn't have the right to free speech on the phone, or the internet for that matter.

I think there should be more gun control. The constitution says that we all have the right to bear arms,but it was written when there were guns that you have to load gun powder and a bullet into every time you shoot it. There is no reason for my neighbor to have an AK47. And I'm not sure why he believes he does. My opinion is that the gun control laws are too loose.

Hate to say it but, it seems that the gun control discussion is possibly already moot. I mean in realistic terms. Even if the Obama admin miraculously passes a outright ban on any thing bigger than a sling-shot, there is already an overwhelming abundance of fire power floating around. If you really really want to make holes in people you'll find a way.

Until there are painfully strict limits on the manufacturing side of the equation, and Im talking Sig Sauer, Im talking about Colt, Im talking about JOBS in a possibly catastrophic economic environment, I just dont see that possibility. And I'm also talking about painfully strict limitations on types of firearms, restrictions of a military nature, if it fires 600 rounds per minute, hell if it reloads SEMI automatically, unless you're IN the military you don't get access.

The argument that says "if the government has it so should we" just doesnt wash. If the government want's to F up your S, its gonna do it . And probably not with guns.
Until then, I have a Mossberg 500, and know how to use it because sweet jesus there are some scarily armed MoFos out there.

And there-in lies the problem.

sorry bout the long post

gun control does not stop criminals from getting guns.

I don't think any human being should kill another human being. Aside from that...if police/military still have guns so should civilians. How quickly would America become a police state if civilian no longer had guns? I'm willing to bet pretty damn quickly. I wish people didn't kill each other, but they do. Until everyone sees everyone else as equal, guns will have to stay.

we need more 'behavioral/mentally unstable people' control!

Way to help the cause.

I was reading a BBC article on the shooting in Washington today. On the side of the article is a table about the number of shootings in the US in one week alone. I mean, i know murder occurs all the time. And maybe its just the reporting that's increasing but wtf is going on?! Like the Aussies, taking guns from the good people doesnt solve anything. I really just wish that they had never been created. Too bad we cant go back to that. I dont know what the solution is but I think we need one.

Sat 4 April: Father is suspected of shooting dead his five children, then himself, near Seattle
Sat 4 April: Gunman kills three policemen in Pittsburgh before being wounded and captured
Fri 3 April: Gunman kills 13 people at an immigration centre in Binghamton, New York state, then apparently shoots himself
Sun 29 March: Gunman kills seven elderly residents and a nurse at a nursing home in Carthage, North Carolina, then is shot and wounded himself
Sun 29 March: Man kills five relatives and himself in Santa Clara, California
---http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7984748.stm

My god this story got a lot of discussion over an issue that really shouldn't be this contentious.

This issue has pretty much been talked to death, but there is one thing I would like to add to the talking point I've been seeing a lot.

If you own a gun, you could NOT overthrow your government if it became corrupt.

Sorry guys, but your .357 does jack shit to an F16 or an Abrams.

In the modern age, revolution is impossible without the military on your side.

I'm not arguing against gun control, I'm not really for it, but that argument needs to die.

If we removed all guns would it reduce gun related violence? Probably not. You might eliminate some passion/despair associated killings but I believe that outlawing ownership of guns would embolden criminals to commit more violent crimes leading to even more homicides.

just posted this on another thread as well.....Love copy + paste.

Did a little research for everyone that says how "great" banning guns in the UK has worked. These numbers are for 2002 but still seem relevant. The numbers are impressive but they don't add up to Guns = murder. In the US there were 9369 murders with fire arms vs only 14 in the UK.....There were 16204 murders in the US vs only 1201 in the UK. Take into account that the US population outnumbers the UK 300 million to 58 million and we do have a higher murder rate by about 2.5 to 1. But our murder with a gun rate outnumbers the UK by 669 to 1. Basically, these numbers tell me that without guns the UK is still able to keep a pretty good pace with the US, they are just killing in different ways. I may be wrong but that is what I get out of it. Here is where I got my numbers http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php

People seem to assume that if we banned guns, or made them near impossible to get, that the problem will magically go away, that criminals and the disturbed would not find guns, or that they would not kill with something else.

It is a dangerous assumption at best.

We do however need better regulations, NO more gun shows that don't preform background checks, stricter background checks with mental health background checks, we need to protect our rights and our people, let the safe and careful get guns, keep the unstable and irresponsible from getting guns.

Guns are no good!

Why are there no calls for gun control when police murder citizens like the time when a cop shot an unarmed handcuffed man in the back?

i am not a gun owner. my brother, although, along with much my girlfriends family own guns. although i dont own a firearm at the moment, i will in due time. i believe that a person should be able to have a firearm of some sort in order to defend oneself at home/property.
i do believe that there maybe should be tighter laws on how guns are transported to certain locations to shoot legally. turkey shoots, gun ranges, etc. possibly be required to have a type of range on property in order to fire on property.....
obviously, i dont own a gun and dont know ALL the laws on owning firearms. but i do believe that it is the right to own firearms to protect yourself and your family.

This kind of thing never happens in countries where guns are tightly controlled and regulated. I wonder why...

As stated before, more gun control is not needed. The whole thing about people being paranoid is true, people are a bit paranoid. But this does have to do the fact that two months into obama's presidency, in the middle of an economic crisis he decided to shred the brass from dispensed bullets and sell it to china, not only would this get rid of jobs and hurt companies it would drive ammo prices up. THAT is why people are paranoid, I would say its better to be paranoid than to not care enough. even if people do overreact.
One thing I hate is that god damn term "assault rifle", you ask any person who is pro assault rifle ban what the exact definition is and they will either stumble around not knowing or they will say "its a gun used by the military" the military uses hunting rifles. a semi automatic assault weapon is nothing but a hunting rifle with a military style stock and grip on it. Banning them is a load of horse poop.

People need to stop trying to ban guns and put that effort towards solving real problems like the economy.

Banning guns doesn't do anything, and banning assault weapons is like banning a normal car because of the way it looks.

Absolutely. Start with all military grade weapons now in the hands of those outside the military. Ban ammunition sales larger than one box. Ban clips holding more than 6 shots. MANDATORY jail time for having in your possession an illegal firearm. MANDATORY regulations on the legal sale of firearms of anytime, to everyone. MANDATORY jail time for purchasing firearms for others.

Legal gun owners MUST re-register yearly and pass a safety certification test yearly. MANDATORY jail time for illegaly transferring ownership of a weapon to another.

And that's just for starters.

What really needs to be banned is allowing gun manufacturers and right wing assholes to spread fear propaganda among all of America. With less rednecks buying guns, we will have less chance of these kinds of shootings happening, because people without guns will want to know who in their community has the guns. So those people will be watched a little more carefully, and there's a lower chance of people who are depressed are mad or whatever going on rampages.

Gun control doesn't fix the root of the problem since guns are nothing but innate objects. Mental health care and reform of the health care system will do more to take care of the issue.

The few comments about regulating pharm-drugs are correct.
This nation has had so many drugs pushed through the medical system that drugs are in every cup of water from every tap. It has been tested and one of the worse problems we have.

Doctors dish out prozac - and a portion of people on these drugs get depressed, go nuts and kill people, including themselves.

Also, knee jerk laws cause problems, whether obvious or unforeseen.

Maybe the law old of the old west would cure our ails pretty quick - and real cheap.

You all are paying for a massive government. How much of that money would make your life better?
We've got Congressmen, Senators, Assemblymen, town-councils churning out laws - which also require money and 98% of them are stupid wastes of everybody's time and money.

We live in an artifice of a society. A phony-balony world.
Ben Franklin and his friends gave every one of you 160 acres of any piece of land you want. The railroads and certain private interests stole it all. Nobody ever told you anything about it, did they?

All that land out there - it's yours! Really.

But keep going ti that stupid job doing stupid work for stupid reasons - hey, you only have to do all your life and then it's over. No sense thinking.

If you put a gun down and not touch it,it won't kill anyone,if you put a gun in someones hands he/she will probably kill someone.

Guns don't kill people,people kill people.

Well we've successfully outlawed hand-guns in the UK and look how hard it is to get hold of them now. Who could be bothered to go all the way to a pub, alleyway or school just to get there hands on a Glock (similar 9mm weapons are also available)?

Not to mention the fact that hardly anyone ever gets shot these days. Unless they live in south London, Manchester, Birmingham...

I'm not saying guns are a good or bad thing - just that legislating against things isn't always the best policy.

Guns. A gun is inanimate.Fear is the problem and people feed on it in every direction.Fear compounded by daily stress, compounded by being trapped financially, by being sick,by being lied to and marginalized.propagandists use fear,when men kill are they killing in anger or fear?It does not take a bullet to teach me.It is fear.I am afraid we will see alot more of this as times get tougher.We must stand up for honesty and truth. that will help.

we don't need "gun control" per se. what we need is insanity control. we have to keep these assault weapons out of the hands of people on the edge.without treading on the constitutional rights of the rest of us.

i think healthcare reform would be a major contributor to solving this problem as well. successfully diagnosing and treating people with mental illness would go a long way

KillerQueen 6628 I have been a hunter all my life and have help teach children how to use and be responsable with guns. I grew up on a farm where we eat what we shoot, we lease farm ground for people to hunt on. Sorry someone was stupid enough to pull a gun on you, the type of person that what do that should be put away for life. Just because people have guns don't make them crazy, some people are just crazy !!! If they wouldn't have had a gun they would have had a knife or a bat or something. Some people don't diserve to walk with the rest of us and belong behind bars ! I know your pist off and have every right to be, but the number of people that use guns against people, compared to the amount that own guns for sporting, hunting, and protection is probably 99.9 to 1. In my case we use guns to shoot for fun and sports, and to protect our cattle, sheep, and crops against preditors, we don't go out waving our guns scaring the hell out of people. So there is two very different kinds of people out their, and again I am sorry someone was stupid enough to scare the hell out of you with a gun, but I feel if he didn't have a gun he would have use another means of force to do the same thing. Some people don't belong on the streets with the sane.

I really enjoy this open debate , it gets the brain jumpin' . Thanks for posting it .

OH.. this kind of thinking is blatantl;y naive and stupid. gun control? Did the war on drugs work so well? I would expect this kind of nonsense from the babies at current.

Killerqueen 6628 your brain if you have one doesn't work. Are you dumb enough to think that the criminal are going to stand in line and give up their guns, if you do you are an idiot. You really think gang members, robbers rapist, ect. are going to stand in line and say oh this is against the law to have a gun I better turn it in and commit my crime without my gun. Wake up if it was that simple they would have already done it. It is already a crime for felons to own a gun, do they still find them YA. Drugs are illeagle do they make it in the US YA. Do criminals from Mexico walk across our borders everyday and commit crimes her in the US. YA. So you stand in your stupid little corner of the world and yell bang, bang next time someone tries to rob you, rape, you, or kill you and let me know how it works. And for your info I do, do community service. You don't know me and I am glad I don't know people as dumb as you.

Thank you, unimatrix0, for posting this knowing that you will be "shot down."

There should be no debate regarding the Second Amendment. If the Constitution was taught in the NEA/government run schools along side the Communist Manifesto there would be none. As a free American citizen my "right to bear arms" has nothing to do with the SA. Anyone with one iota of insight into the Founders ideals know for a FACT that my "right" exists regardless of what is etched in any stone or written on any paper. The debate today should be WHY so many people see murder, rape and mayhem as the answer to their problems.

The Individual who seeks safety, also seeks peace.
The Individual who seeks comfort, clings to his gun.

its ENTIRELY CIRCULAR. there is no practical means for gun use. all you people talking about protecting yourself from the government, when was the last time you joined a militia movement? when was the last time you even did community service? its not necessary. the bad guys, criminals, rapists, drug addicts have guns, so you must protect yourselves, you say? well if we banned guns, neither of you would have one, and you both could sit at opposite ends of the room yelling "BANG" at each other all you want, but it won't do anything, and everyone lives YAY!