Community | April 06, 2009 | 85 comments

Islam Is a Religion of Peace? Let's See Some Proof

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This week, President Obama is reaching out to the Muslim world. He's trying to change Muslims' perceptions of the United States, but it's just as important for Muslims to change Americans' perceptions of them. Mainstream Muslims who seek peace were drowned out a long time ago by radical clerics who support jihad. The time has come for reasonable, peace-loving Muslims to step forward. And it's time for the rest of us to listen to them.

President Obama spoke to the Turkish National Assembly this morning, and said this about the Muslim faith:

I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds us has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.

That's the problem: Many Americans, rightly or wrongly, believe that when you're talking about the "people of all faiths" who reject violence and terrorism, you're not including the vast majority of Muslims. President Bush #43 was quoted many times saying that Islam is a religion of peace, but I can't think of any major Muslim leaders who were quoted saying that about their own religion. In fact, I don't think most Americans can name a mainstream Muslim leader, certainly not one calling for an end to violence—thanks to years of radical clerics on the nightly news, screaming into bullhorns about the Great Satan and whipping crowds into a frenzy.
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This is interesting because it is about perception as much as it is about matters of fact.

What is your perception of Islam? Is Islam a religion of peace? Will Islam and the West be able to co-exist in peace? Or, to the contrary, is war inevitable?
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85 comments // Islam Is a Religion of Peace? Let's See Some Proof

  • ozzycda
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      ozzycda  
    • I think there have been MANY Muslim leaders that have spoken for peace that have been on the news, I guess most Americans missed those segments. People from CAIR and also Sheikh Hamza Yusuf. You can find on youtube many people like Dr. Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes speaking on behalf of peace. Many Imam's from Saudi Arabia denouncing the actions of Al-Qaida and the like. There are many groups in America working for peace and teaching what TRUE Islam is, and speaking out against terrorism. Lets of course not forget Yusuf Islam the former Cat Stevens and Muhammad Ali as well. Salamu Alaykum(Peace be with you all).

    • 2 years ago
  • estee_arie
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • estee_arie:

      If you were asking me, I did go to Edinboro for Art ed. and then later for nursing. I have taught. But I owe my grasp of the English language to my 6th grade teacher and my parents. I'm and avid reader and 99% of the books I read are for reference.
      Thank You for the compliment, if it was intended for me!

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT. Even if a religion is peaceful there will be those that distort it to use it for their own means.
      So any religion can be distorted to violent means.
      Many religious groups came to this country to escape violence against them for their religious beliefs.
      I have heard only one leader of Islam denounce violence within his religion.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • About "easter".

      It's a Babylonian Pagan celebration of the fertility cult surrounding the worship of Nimrod's wife Semaramis which was superimposed, overlaid onto the Parable concerning the Resurrection of Jesus which has nothing whatsoever to do with his physical body becoming reanimated or any other such insane gibberish. Here is a short tutorial correction for the grotesqueries taught by the "Christian Churches" so called. This is the scriptural truth of the Resurrection and to teach any other Gospel concerning these things is a violation of the Covenant Jesus made with all those who profess His Name.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • The number of times Jesus references "Peace" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not He came to establish "Peace on earth".

      His words as I quoted before are clear and definitive in any translation of the New Testament traceable to the original NT manuscripts and they are as written in:

      Matthew 10:34
      "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

      And

      Luke 12:51
      " Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:"

      These are the words of Jesus and translate the same from the Greek, Aramaic and Latin which are the only languages the authoritative ancient New Testament manuscripts are written in.

      The places where Jesus said "Peace to you" or "Peace I give to you" or "I bring you peace" and other such phrases are nothing more than Him saying the Aramaic equivalent of the Hebrew "Shalom" or the Arabic (which comes from Aramaic which was the language Jesus spoke) "Salaam Alekum". If Jesus said "I leave you in Peace" or "Go ye in peace" or any other such phrases he would have been saying the Aramaic equivalent of "Alekum Salaam" as a farewell and nothing more as Jesus Himself definitively states His purpose in regard to "Peace on earth" in the above accurately quoted verses from Matthew and Luke. For that matter when his disciples and He were gathered together in private He instructed them to go purchase swords which they did and in fact one of them bought two.

      Another fact which is backed by historical record and is well beyond the point of dispute is the fact that since the advent of Jesus Christ there has been nothing but a steady and unabated increase in warfare across the globe. There have been more people slaughtered by misguided souls acting with self proclaimed authority from Jesus than any other religion before or since Jesus' advent.

      If practiced in true form, Christianity is a peaceful religion but since they destroyed True Christianity by 325 AD, the people following the Babylonian religion of Nimrod took over and have been raping and pillaging the planet since that time and doing it in the name of Jesus. The Catholic Religion is the single worst offender of all by historical record established for all to witness and again, beyond dispute. Catholicism is not Christianity in any form though by co-opting everything about Christianity's outward form and wording it is made to appear as though it is. However in the interest of not singling out Catholicism, it being only the first apostate corruption of True Christianity, every other so called "Christian Church" or denomination thereof is no more than an offspring of Catholicism and just as far off the path of Christianity and therefore only another addition to the list of apostate religions masquerading behind the name of "Christianity". Wolves in shepherd's clothing.

      There is a path back to the truth of Christ and it leads away from any "Church" that calls itself "Christian" today. To find it if you're seeking it, just follow the links I've given. Otherwise be about your business, whatever that may be.

      Now, on to the topic of "Easter".

    • 2 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • Just a couple more examples...
      Here are but a FEW more examples...

      Rom 14:17 NASB - for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

      Rom 14:19 NASB - So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another.

      Rom 15:13 NASB - Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

      Rom 15:33 NASB - Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

      1Cr 1:3 NASB - Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      1Cr 7:15 NASB - Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such {cases,} but God has called us to peace.

      1Cr 14:33 NASB - for God is not {a God} of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

      1Cr 16:11 NASB - So let no one despise him. But send him on his way in peace, so that he may come to me; for I expect him with the brethren.

      2Cr 1:2 NASB - Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      2Cr 13:11 NASB - Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

      Gal 5:22 NASB - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

      Gal 6:16 NASB - And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy {be} upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

      Eph 2:14 NASB - For He Himself is our peace, who made both {groups into} one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,

      Eph 2:17 NASB - AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;

      If you want more, let me know. I have so many.
      And Happy Easter.

    • 2 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
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    • Reality check:
      It happens to be holy week, so maybe not the best time to be spreading hate about things some know NOTHING about BUT THINK they are EXPERTS on... YET, ARE NOT>
      IN RESPONSE....
      ....to and excess of 15 posts -all the attacks on Christianity & Catholics and it being a religion of peace here is my response, taken from the words of Jesus, or other passages from the New Testament.

      just FYI: PEACE is stressed 429 times in 400 verses in the the Bible.

      And I'd like to share some of my favorites out of the new testament. People forget. And it is Holy Week for Christians. Today is a day of Fasting for Catholics.

      Luk 7:50 NASB - And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

      Luk 8:48 NASB - And He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace."

      Luk 10:5 NASB - "Whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace {be} to this house.'

      Luk 19:38 NASB - shouting: "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"

      Luk 19:42 NASB - saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.

      Luk 24:36 NASB - While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you."

      Jhn 14:27 NASB - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.

      Jhn 16:33 NASB - "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

      Jhn 20:19 NASB - So when it was evening on that day, the first {day} of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace {be} with you."

      Jhn 20:21 NASB - So Jesus said to them again, "Peace {be} with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you."

      Jhn 20:26 NASB - After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace {be} with you."

      Act 9:31 NASB - So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase.

      Act 10:36 NASB - "The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)--

      Rom 2:10 NASB - but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

      Rom 5:1 NASB - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

      Rom 8:6 NASB - For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

      Rom 12:18 NASB - If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

      (cont)

    • 2 years ago
  • akamaial
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      akamaial [removed]  
    • Most comments about religion on this post are so far off the mark, that I can only cringe...to offer up anything of value here would be akin to pissing into a strong wind.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • akamaial:

      Shouldn't be a problem for you "akamail" as the wind that blows out of you blows hard enough to keep you from hearing any truth at all.

      You've already demonstrated that you're deplorably uneducated in matters of religion in every case so the fact that you find the commentary here intimidating comes as no surprise.

      Try one of my links and you can begin your education in religion right away and then become very comfortable in such discussions.

      I'm always available to answer your questions.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • akamaial:

      Sadly though I'm beginning to think that you don't actually have anything of value to offer a true discussion about any religious topic except for hateful sputtering and weak personal attacks about the people commenting but not about the substance of their statements. You must lose a lot of debates. There is still hope for you though, dude. Follow the links I've provided you with and read like it's your job. After all it really is, if you only knew.
      Blessings "ak".

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
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    • All religions are in fact religions of peace that have been corrupted and turned into whores and pimped out to the masses by the money hungry power seekers who appoint themselves as a clergy class over the people.

      The followers of all religions have been lied to about the religions they think they are adhering to and are therefor only blind followers of the blind.

      Islam was sent only to form a "middle nation" to protect the Davidic Kingship from all those who sought to destroy it and to prepare the world for the advent of the second Christ.

      Islam has performed that task with perfect success and is now, like all other religions, fulfilled in the WORLD ORDER of BAHA'U'LLAH.

      All nations, tribes, ethnic groups and religions will eventually and willingly place their own authority beneath that of the Universal House of Justice with the Davidic King as it's Executive Branch.

    • 2 years ago
  • birraio
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      birraio  
    • Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, pretend to be peaceful religion, but because of extremism, it can not be.
      Want peace? Remember these words:
      Imagine there's no countries
      It isn't hard to do
      Nothing to kill or die for
      And no religion too

      Utopic? yes, like real peace

    • 2 years ago
  • Anyother
  • Bahai144
  • ejasun
  • racheanne
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      racheanne  
    • no true religion is inherently peaceful. the very concept of religion is morally neutral - the problems associated with religion arise because the idea of believing something with no empirical evidence allows similarly irrational beliefs and "righteous" violence and discrimination to go unchecked. religion is neutral - absence of rational thought is neutral, yet it is a breeding ground for violence and discord.

      He who believes absurdities will commit atrocities.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
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    • racheanne:

      Actually, the religions of Adam, Moses, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah are each part and parcel of the True Religion of God which is absolutely Peaceful and Just. You can begin learning about it here. Enjoy.

    • 2 years ago
  • HathamAlShabibi
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      HathamAlShabibi  
    • Does it take "leaders" to prove Islam is peaceful. Why not the mass of "normal" everyday Muslims, like me? Is any religion peaceful? Even Buddhism, considered one of the most peaceful religions (if not philosophy), has even had its violence.

      Is there such thing as a peaceful religion? Peace itself has never lasted, after all.

    • 2 years ago
  • Croakus88
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      Croakus88  
    • You cant judge the group by an individual, you cant judge an individual by the group. .....i feel the same, I just want to find a simple way to judge people! Ugh having a God complex is so exhausting. But what we all do know is; if you dont have biast opinions, it wont bring us true peace. .......But we have to ask ourselves; do we really want peace? .....do we know what peace really is?

    • 2 years ago
  • cabinettags
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      cabinettags  
    • I believe too much in the separation of Church and State to render an unbias opinion. The Quaran dictates every aspect of your life; from how to treat a vistor in your home, to how to run your govt., to the punishment for a thief.

      Problem with that is the only version is the 150 AD edition. Times have changed. Islam hasn't.

      If the moderates are speaking out, they must be talking to themselves. If there was a Muslim cleric in America that wanted to renounce violence that would be unusual enough the news would pick it up. I've not heard a peep.

      My personal opinion is that the moderates are afraid of the radicals. After all, to be moderate, you have to reject parts of what's said in the Holy Book. Any renouncing to be done would go the other way. By not raising hell about it, the moderates silently condone the action of the radicals. Sorry, that doesn't wash.

      If I'm wrong, you're going to have to show me. I've surely had a bellyfull of the other side.

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • cabinettags:

      aren't we fighting the same thing here in america.

      teaching creationism in school? bombing abortion centers, refusing to allow equal rights because someone likes their own sex more than the opposite?

      is america really in a position to morally judge yet?

    • 2 years ago
  • Agorful
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      Agorful  
    • cabinettags:

      JH - NO! America is not in any such position.

      I'm not coming down on America. I just believe she should stay away from acting as judge over any religion or custom, in any capacity.

      We should deal with our own issues, learn from our mistakes and move on with our business.

      You can't be looking at where you are leading, if you busy looking back criticizing how others are walking. They will either catch-up with you or not. Your role is to set the pace, take the high path and lead by example.

      Somewhere along the line our government felt it was our job to push people in the direction we wanted them to go. You can't push most animals to go where you want, let alone humans.

    • 2 years ago
  • Agorful
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      Agorful  
    • If we didn't run all over the planet trying to solve everyone else's problems, we wouldn't feel the need to debate which religions are or are not "peaceful".

      There's not a doubt in my mind, that we would never have problems out of the Islamic brothers here in the U.S. if our government would stop pushing policies upon other countries.

      We should only be offering trade with the middle east and the rest of the world. If they want to trade with us, great. But we shouldn't be trying to influence their society via governmental agendas. Leave these people and these countries alone.

      We should leave every country now, and stop trying to be the big brother to the world. If other countries need our help, we'll offer what we can in terms of food and money, but that's it. Unless there is an attack on the US or Great Brittan, we should let the U.N. handle any foreign military affair.

      Bottom line is, I don't care if Islam is a peaceful religion or not. It's absolutely NONE of my business. The only time I even hear the term Islam is on the news. I see women with their heads covered and I think it's a pity she doesn't get more sun. But I don't run away screaming thinking she is going to blow up the coffee shop.

      You can be a Muslim, Christian, Jew or worship potato salad. I don't care as long as you don't bother me. If the U.S. would get out of the world's business, no one would be bothering any of us.

    • 2 years ago
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  
    • Agorful:

      recommended reading for you, my friend. Overthrow followed by Naomi Klein"s Shock Doctrine. They are not a sequel, but they should be. The are non-fiction. Read them so we can discuss. You'll love them.

    • 2 years ago
  • oneup
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      oneup  
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    • I agree with neocongo. However, will just say that if you are not hearing from peaceful Muslim leaders, perhaps you are not looking in the right places. Imam Zaid Shakir and Hamza Yusuf (and many others) are very vocal against violence.

    • 2 years ago
  • neocongo
  • charfman
  • akamaial
  • pjacobs51
  • kennymotown
  • Highr0ller
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • I am neither a Muslim or Islamist. Is Christianity a religion of peace, seems to me the Christian Right backed Bush the butcher to slaughter innocent women and children and backed him all the way sort of like the Crusades led by the Catholic Church, which told the so called Crusaders to go and slaughter all the evil people in the name of Christianity. This headline can read any religion you want as the Jews slaughter innocent Palestinian women and children in the name of thier religion to build thier religious state. The more I think about it this headline is dumb and I am sorry i even responded to such a stupid question, but since I wrote it I will post it. Like RojoGatto said, no religion is peaceful!

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • current89
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      current89  
    • Islam isn't the religion of peace, but I'd argue most religions aren't peaceful religions. Islam is to the 21st century as Christianity is to the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries.

    • 2 years ago
  • SANMedia
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      SANMedia  
    • The problem with Islam is that, it's not just a religion but also a political doctrine that dictates how one should live their lives. A doctrine that's pretty much incompatible with western civilization and other religions.

      The only moderate Muslims you'll find are the ones running out of ammo.

    • 2 years ago
  • bombastinator
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      bombastinator  
    • SANMedia:

      um... No.

      Christianity can be and has been considered a political doctrine in a similar way, and fought about possibly even more bloodily. Your high school history text may have referred to it as "the hundred years war"

      There are christian sects that still consider it doctrine and do things like trying to make family planning and gay marriage illegal.

      The majority of Christians are not that way though, and neither are the majority of Muslims. Everybody's got their fundamentalists.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • elizajanenspain
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      elizajanenspain  
    • Ya know Religous Nuts come from all over ...its not just Islam ...What Religion was it that Geroge and Dick where praising ????The Holy OIL GOD ??? for innocent Americans to Die for ???
      Jihad ...yes I have a Jihad in my heart also ,a struggle at people who let inncoent Americans die all because they have no health care ...
      I am Catholic and I am Ashamed ....There is More in the Holy Quran about Mary the mother of Jesus than the Catholic book....
      I have a Jihad in my heart against the Media who keeps the HR676 Universal health Care news from being told ...it is like a secret ...
      One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter ...

    • 2 years ago
  • csmonut
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      csmonut  
    • Religion has no place in the political arena. If the US allows that, they too will become as those in the Middle East they claim to be different from.
      As for Islam being a "peaceful religion".
      Unless and until the moderate people who abhore what their leaders have done, make their voices heard aove the din of the radicals and the bombs, the perception that the Islamic people are out to kill all who do not believe as they do, will remain.
      It is unfortunate, but it is the way it is.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • It’s pretty much impossible to honestly and maturely endorse a generalization.

      Or in other words, if its ok to say all Muslims are dangerous warmongers then why is it not ok to say that all black people are lazy? Should we really allow public sentiment to determine what is true and what is not? Wasn’t that long ago when public sentiment endorsed racism, eugenics, blind nationalism, and beating the crap out of a women for opening her mouth.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • Ricky84:

      I don’t know either! Great question.

      Honestly though when I think about it, you’re probably better off relying on your own ability to rationalize. Then again you can always fall back on an individual you admire for their ability to be honest. For instance my pops is a French/Irish guy that loves black women. I’m pretty sure I could go to him about matters of race since he’s comfortable enough about his own culture to venture outward and embrace other things.

    • 2 years ago
  • Bahai144
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • You can't mosh all Muslims into one group, nor can you say Islam is a religion of peace or a religion of war. Similarly, Christianity is not solidly a religion of peace or a religion of war, when you have both liberal Christians, and fundamentalists.

      You can criticize individuals who take a religion too far, but not the religion in it's entirety.

    • 2 years ago
  • akamaial
  • FXWarrior
  • FallenMorgan
  • magnusdeus
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  
    • I'm with Slarabee, We can't pass a judgment against the entire nation of Islam based on the actions of the "fundmentalists" at the fringe of the ideology. If we apply that methodology to Christianity, we'd have to admit that Christians are just a bunch of snake-handling polygamist that speak in tongues and have a particular sexual preference for pre-adolescent alter boys.

    • 2 years ago
  • oneup
  • bansheewail
  • Bahai144
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      Bahai144  
    • bansheewail:

      Better than "chewing" on anything just sit your asses down and read the Qu'ran. Then you'll actually know what's in it and be able to speak about it with at least some degree of knowledge.

    • 2 years ago
  • abipolarmind
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      abipolarmind  
    • I know many American Muslims who are very upset with the leaders of Muslim nations around the world. They feel Muslim countries have not spoken out against violence and they are paying the price.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • Kylsport
  • RojoGatto
  • bombastinator
  • Highr0ller
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      Highr0ller [removed]  
    • Islam is a religion of peace. Just because American soldiers go around the world killing men, women and children in a fight against 'terrorism' it does not say Christianity is not a religion of peace..........................I however I believe you can't kill in the name of God.............as a Catholic I have the fifth commandment as THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Nowhere does it say its OK to go abroad like a viking to kill if you are "fighting terrorism"
      Also, I don't blame ALL AMERICANS for the folly of their government.....................but they have a duty to try and hold their government in check.................STOP THE KILLING FIELDS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
      STOP supplying Israel with money and ammo as by doing so Palestinian blood is on American hands.

      Religion is only peaceful if its in the hands of peaceful people...............a gun is a lethal weapon when in the hands of someone who is not peaceful.

      "fighting Terrorism" indeed............by killing people in the various countries (Iraq and Afghanistan, and possibly Iran) then the family is honor bound to avenge the death.......and so the cycle continues.

    • 2 years ago
  • JohnA
  • bombastinator
  • magnusdeus
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      magnusdeus  
    • Highr0ller:

      By discussing Iraq and Afghanistan in this context you're perpetuating the religious war rhetoric. We have a lot of faiths in our military, including many without faiths. They're just people doing what their country (a country that is home to ALL faiths, i might add. not many can say that.) tells them to.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • Let all the religions of the world try too practice what they preach. As far as I know the only religion that comes close is Buddhism, for not one war has ever been waged for this religion. No wonder the Dali Lama is held in such high esteem.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • kennymotown:

      Yeah but the Dalai Lama, all thirteen of them that is, endorsed a system of theocratic, feudal serfdom leaving the vast majority of his population in utter squalor. By today’s standards the Dalai Lama would’ve been a human rights violator for condoning torture, mutilation and death as a form of punishment for all those disobedient Tibetan slaves.

    • 2 years ago
  • JohnA
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • kennymotown:

      Kenny you’re a perfect example of why generalizations are so abundant.

      “As far as I know the only religion that comes close is Buddhism”

      Seriously Kenny, that’s an unsubstantiated, positive generalization. It’s no different than a klansmen saying

      “white is right.”

      Or a black guy saying

      “Black folks own the b-ball court.”

      Or a Spanish lady saying

      “ My people were made to be housekeepers.”

      Granted it’s a positive statement, but so is the first half of the KKK and Nazi ideology!

      As for Tibet goes, well, read a book. This issue is really non-debatable. Tibet (pre-Chinese invasion) was a religious state that practiced slavery. Who cares what the general public has to say about the Dalai Lama. The general public also loves Britney Spears, American Idol, 24, Axe body spray, and Mcdonalds.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • kennymotown:

      Whoops I forgot something. Hey Kenny ever heard of Bhutan?

      Yeah they’re a neighbor of Tibet, share the same culture, religion and stuff. They’re also human rights violators. In fact for the past few years the US has approved a huge number of asylum requests from residents of Bhutan. So to answer your question in short, Buddhists will ethnic cleanse your ass just as much as everyone else.

    • 2 years ago
  • bombastinator
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    • kennymotown:

      If you don't feel like reading a whole book the wiki article (above) is extensive. According to them Ricky is either half right, more or less right, or deluded. It seems dueling revisionist histories is a bitch.

      A very interesting point though. I'd never heard the slavery angle till today.

    • 2 years ago
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    • kennymotown:

      why don't I just clear all this up.

      A) Buddhism. actually buddhists have waged war. warrior monks? yea, they're a reality. Japanese civil wars included wars against Buddhism when it first arrived in the country. As for the Dalai Llama, ok the Tibetans were horrifically poor 50 years ago, but so was every other part of what is today China. Tibetans were controlled by the Religious leaders 50 years ago, but hell, american's are still controlled by religious leaders today. As for quality of life...why do you think tibetans are continuously rioting? The chinese have not dramatically improved life for the non-Han people. They've just moved a lot of Han's into the area. It's a slow form of cultural genocide.

      And lets remember, by Todays standards america 60 years ago was a backwards ass nation that approved of segregation and with large sections of it's populations in the south living in subsistence style huts and barely surviving. Thus the war on poverty. But of course, Tibet doesn't have the luxury of a Midwest to feed everyone, nor any real resources to speak of.

      Bhutan. Ok ricky, thats fine, but never doubt that that's a human quality. I think if you understand that I'll be fine with your argument here. it will happen anywhere and can be perpetrated by any group who happens to hold supreme power.

    • 2 years ago
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    • kennymotown:

      To ALL:

      There is no religion of Buddhism practiced in the world today.

      Buddha himself taught as is found in the most ancient Pali texts that His teachings would be completely lost to the world less than 1000 years after His departure.

      He also told His people who to turn to for the return of His teachings as contained and refreshed in the teachings of another.

      That one who was the return of Buddha's teachings and the re-emergence of the Holy Spirit which appeared in the person of Buddha as prophesied by Buddha Himself was Jesus Christ.

      Furthermore, Buddha told of another who would come even later who would be the Fifth Buddha, who would then be followed by the Maitreya who would establish the teachings of the Fifth Buddha in the world forever.

      The Fifth Buddha prophesied by Gotama is Baha'u'llah who alone fulfills the prophecies.

      His Maitreya Establisher has also come to the world and fulfilled His purpose of Establishing the teachings deep in the midmost heart of the earth.

      Time to get up to speed. Follow the links and read and listen to the videos like you're life depends on it.

      Part 2: http://www.bupc.org/video-triple-jewel-2.html

      Part 3: http://www.bupc.org/video-triple-jewel-3.html

      Part 4: http://www.bupc.org/video-triple-jewel-4.html

    • 2 years ago
  • slarabee
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    • slarabee:

      "akamail",

      This doesn't speak to the issue anymore than any single injustice toward any non-Christian by a "Christian" would speak to the issue of Christianity being or not being a "religion of peace".

      It looks like the truth is breaking you down and reducing you to a rather pathetic state of inability to actually formulate a rational argument in support of your BS (Belief System).

      The source for the article you posted is just as likely to be fabricating the entire story since it's just a couple of "Christians" in California with a clearly stated agenda.

      For the sake of argument though, even if they're reporting on actual events, what I stated at the beginning of this reply holds true.

      If this has happened to this family then your use of it to promote the idea that all of Islam is evil is a great dis-service to the murdered man, his family, the people who published the story (as that's not quite where they went with the upshot of the report), and even to both Christianity and Islam as well, to say nothing of how it makes you appear. That's the unfortunate result of vain, self-serving propaganda.

    • 2 years ago
  • akamaial
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    • slarabee:

      "akamail",

      Now see, that's what I mean by your apparent inability to come forth with any rational, intelligent commentary on any religious topic. If you had anything of value to say you would just type it out but you are bereft of knowledge and can only spew half-baked vitriol and links to biased propagandizing articles and videos. I've had much better discussions with legions of evangelical "Christians". It really saddens me that you can't keep up.

    • 2 years ago
  • akamaial
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    • slarabee:

      "ak",
      The word you were looking for is "restrains".
      Oh "akamaial", please don't deprive us all of your fount of wisdom!

      Or...does this mean you're going to be silent?
      Perhaps that's a good thing.

      No, it's not. Even though you're way out of your league here you should still be heard in spite of the fact that you and those of your ilk would seek to silence all voices opposed to your POV.

      The sweet melodies of the nightingale sound all that much nicer against the background of the croaking of the crow. So croak away "ak".

    • 2 years ago
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