Resurrections Throughout History

That's awesome!!! And a helluva lotta eggs!

The unfortunate thing about your post is that it's a simple reaction to all of the false ideas taught by the so called Christian Churches. You're going on about the lies the clergy tells about the details of accounts of the execution of Jesus.

To assist:

If one bothers to look into the matter they will find out that Jesus was not stretched out on a cross as the "churches" depict. He was in fact nailed to a pole with arms stretched overhead, hands nailed to either side of the pole and feet nailed the same way. That was the way they did it so to even argue about the ins and outs of the "crucifixion" as it is falsely put forth is to engage in an absurd back and forth which leads nowhere much less to increased understanding.

This is only one single example among hundreds if not thousands in which the misdirection of the entire discussion by the clergy has caused people who would have been able to actually comprehend the truth of many things religious to engage in pointless arguments about meaningless minutia.

"Exactly who cares about resurrection"- um, Christians, and the majority of America who will be celebrating Easter on Sunday? Just a guess.

"this doesn't disprove Christianity." Which part of Christianity? What this does is "disprove" the notion that Jesus's story is original.

"Scientific info related to resurrection has no place with religion." This article is NOT about scientific resurrection; it is about the fact that the mythology of supernatural resurrection is found in many civilizations and cultures throughout history.

Slarabee couldn't agree more and you statement "The words hold as much relevance now as they did then" are the exact words many people use when crediting a 2,000 year old book called The Bible.

My first encounter with this idea was 4 years ago in my last apocolypsism class, when I earned a degree in religion because I was also interested in others' "viewpoints," Delia. Thanks for your insight, however let me enlighten you about Christians, they believe in the whole story, virgin conception, miraculous birth when King Herod was destroying every child in sight. They also have faith in the Miracles of Christ (including raising Lazarus from the dead, another resurrection for you) that were not just recorded by his disciples (the stories of those guys will blow your mind also) but Christ's miracles were recorded by those who wanted to kill him in the first place. This included the Pharisees and the Sadducees, because Christ claimed he did them as the "Son of God" and for performing some on the Sabbath (kind of a big deal back then.) Also Pilot's court reporters took detailed about a guy who was being killed for blasphemy.

Delia that is an original story, even my Atheist professor agreed. So don't lecture me on Christianity when you are ignorant to it.

Also "Faith" is blind, otherwise it isn't faith, it's fact

"Delia that is an original story, even my Atheist professor agreed. So don't lecture me on Christianity when you are ignorant to it."

That's ridiculous. There are certainly going to be some aspects of Jesus's story that are different from others- but the main tenants of faith you mentioned- the "virgin conception, miraculous birth", miracles, being the "son of god", being crucified AND resurrected ALL APPEAR in other civilization's mythologies- refer to the article itself, my first response and the video I posted for sources; I can give you more if you want them.

So please don't lecture ME condesendingly about my ignorance when you clearly have some of your own.

Delia your first claim to me about Christians was ignorant, sorry but it is true. Again, I said "the whole story is an original."

You said "blind faith annoys you," well it annoys me when someone, such as yourself, takes snapshots of a belief to disprove it, and then claim you believe in the most relative of terms,"having fun" you said? Charles Manson had fun warping people, Dalmer had fun eating them. And why do you use a 4th grade knowledge of religion to disprove others' beliefs? Because you have a personal grudge against Christians?

Well guess what? You posted that "people should question their universe," well that was the genesis of "Christians." Which was a derogatory term labeled to those, who were considered "Pagans," that questioned their religiously oppressive government and followed a poor, "compassionate" (another thing you believe in) homeless, guy who told everyone to "love one another" (another statement you posted) giving all possessions to the poor and following Him.

In fact, Delia, by now I am thinking you are a bigger fan of Christian beliefs than most people.

"Delia your first claim to me about Christians was ignorant, sorry but it is true. Again, I said "the whole story is an original."
Which claim? And I will again say NO, the whole story is NOT original. There are many aspects of the Jesus story that have appeared in mythology before him. If this is "4th grade knowledge", why are you disputing it? Have I not given you enough evidence and sources that prove how many parts of the Jesus story appear in multiple civilizations?

"You said "blind faith annoys you" - No, I said "Blind faith" is dangerous to society.

"takes snapshots of a belief to disprove it" - Again, that's not what happened. This article is about the aspects of Christianity that are shared among other cultures; I never claimed this disproved the entirety of Christianity at all.

"Charles Manson had fun warping people, Dalmer had fun eating them." Did they? I'm not sure we can simplify the psychological motivations of serial killers to "fun". If you had read on, my "belief" in having fun with life was to explore and do what you are passionate about, not hedonism or killing people.

"And why do you use a 4th grade knowledge of religion to disprove others' beliefs? Because you have a personal grudge against Christians? " What is the "4th grade knowledge" you are talking about? No, I have no personal grudge against Christians, however many Christians seem either ignorant or defensive about their pagan influences and in my opinion, do not follow the words of Christ very well at all.

"In fact, Delia, by now I am thinking you are a bigger fan of Christian beliefs than most people." Indeed. You see, you stereotyped me off the bat- just because I'm an atheist does not mean I am unfamiliar with the bible and Jesus's words nor that I don't appreciate them. The messages of love, peace, compassion and hope are definitely ones I can stand behind- however they are not completely original either, as Buddha was teaching and practicing them long before Jesus was.

Delia you're right I need to clarify, I mean the "whole story" put together as one, not every part is original, but the entire string of events is original for one's life is. The evidence you gave is convincing, but so is David Copperfield's magic and the psychics all over Vegas.

Furthermore, I never stereotyped you, I didn't know you're an atheist, I asked a question, but you answered my second question by lashing out and being defensive. Also as an Atheist I would hope you have a firm grasp on other religions, I would think it is vital for you. Thanks for refreshing me about Buddha, now you're talking my beliefs. But again the characteristics about Christ that are original are the events of his entire life, then put together as one story. Also, that he claimed to be the "Son of God" and the "Sacrificial Lamb."

It is an interesting article and video but it's pretty basic religious knowledge hence my calling it 4th grade knowledge, basic Social Studies. Also by proving Christianity, which once was a Pagan religion, has similar characteristics as others, does not disprove its validity. That's like saying Native Americans are wrong for believing in many gods because Hindus were doing it first.

Anyways, always a pleasure Delia and although I only spent one semester volunteering at a modern art museum, I really do like your art, it's "original" ;-)

"but you answered my second question by lashing out and being defensive." Which one? I didn't think I came off that way; at least I wasn't trying to but point it out to me so I can be aware of it!

"Also as an Atheist I would hope you have a firm grasp on other religions, I would think it is vital for you." Agreed.

"But again the characteristics about Christ that are original are the events of his entire life, then put together as one story." I understand what you are saying, but still disagree. The "entire life" of Jesus isn't known, the validity of Jesus's existence isn't proven, and it's not written as one story, but several.

"Also by proving Christianity, which once was a Pagan religion, has similar characteristics as others, does not disprove its validity. That's like saying Native Americans are wrong for believing in many gods because Hindus were doing it first." I should have been more specific here, but I'm not trying to invalidate Christianity or say that religions are "wrong."

The overall purpose of this article and point I was trying to make to you is that Christ's particular story of resurrection borrows heavily from many other religions that came before him, (some) of his teachings and many other aspects that contribute to people believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ. Christianity is a retelling of many savior stories before it- that makes a statement about it's "validity", even if it doesn't negate it entirely.

That's an underlying point here: whether Christianity is "wrong" -
What does this mean? I presume you are thinking that Christianity sits in a physical foundation, ascribed or presumed from teaching, that could seem to be disproved. Where sciences or physical discoveries might pose a disproof, or an argument for disproof.

The various sciences are an accumulation of physical studies, and in relation to the view of the religious, must be considered as at least adding to human understanding of the Flesh of God, which surely must be the Universe, however it eventually comes to be understood.

Religions have been lynching such accumulators for centuries - for fear of of the consequences of doubt.

While scientists can be pedantic tinkerers - and their devices for measure flawed and apt to change, still a larger picture has been slowly piled high.
We spin on our course in this solar system - and in the galaxy and when the Hubble takes a snap-shot of just a pinpoint in the heavens, we see 10,000 galaxies.

The notions of humans - are all wrong.
At least up to this time.

The Universe, or "God" is bigger than humans - and all their pictures painted, and all their religions,
- or it wouldn't be God.

I totally agree- religion can and should be taught to children without proclaiming one "true" and the others "untrue".

and they could teach creationism in it! omg, brilliant!

As long as it's not in science class!

I agree, Delia. If we were able to recognize that these religions were all connected through a similar origin, maybe they would become reasons to unite us rather than divide us. Acharya S (author of Zietgiest) came out a with a book recently called "Christ in Egypt". It goes into great detail about Christian themes in Egyptian religion.

What do you believe in?

I believe in loving your fellow person, compassion, questioning the universe and most importantly, having fun in life!

I bet Delia is a witch! (in the best sense :-)

I agree with the Zietgiest version, where resurrection is actually based on movements of the Sun. The Winter solstice (the death) and then the sun stays at the same position for three days until moving back upward in the sky (the resurrection.)

I'm an atheist, but that's more about what I don't believe :)

Well, If you question God, Religion, etc.; what stops you from questioning everything? Why believe in anything? If everything can be questioned. You will find a point in your life that you may, or may not have already experienced. This will pertain to the limits of your inquisitiveness. How far can I go? You may ask. Am I a nihilist? Maybe. Am I an existentialist? Does love exist, or is it simply an illusion provided by chemicals in the brain? In the end, you will probably find that everything you've done has been a waist of time. Not so much because you are not important. The real reason is that nobody would ever know your conclusion. If they did. You would have started a new religion. And this would defy the original purpose of your questioning. Its an endless circle. Its not worth anyones time.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. We SHOULD question everything, and the fact that anything is possible does not stop us from weighing probability.

For example, I "believe" that the internet exists- Why? Is it based from ancient prophecy or scripture? No- it's because evidence can be provided for it's existence both on a personal level and through all other scientific disciplines.

Now, if we get into a bigger thing of "Well, how do you know YOU exist," and whatnot, I view that more of a fun philosophical brain game than anything else. Truth be told it doesn't really matter if we exist, because I am experiencing my life whether it is "real" or a dream inside a dream. So, questions like that don't bother me too much.; I'll either find out when I die or I won't and I won't care because I'm dead :)

When it comes to love, it doesn't matter if it's chemicals or not- love is a word we use to describe an emotional state, a concept- it is NOT something tangible and I don't know anyone who thinks it is.

You said "In the end, you will probably find that everything you've done has been a waist of time. Not so much because you are not important. The real reason is that nobody would ever know your conclusion" I most likely won't find that everything I've done is a WASTE of time, because I like the things I do. I make art, I pet my kitty cats, I make love to my fiancee. I don't need gratification that people know my conclusions to make me happy (though I like it- or else why would I be yapping my trap on Current all day?) ... That's why I put having fun as the most important thing I "believe" in. Do what makes you happy, explore what that means - if you live life like that, what is there to regret at the end?

Touche. I respect your view on life. You obviously are very aware of your beliefs, or opinions, and you are happy. I find that to be the most critical, and important factors in any belief system. I must also ask, If for no other reason then to know; why then, do you post stories that may, or may not make others question their beliefs? Do you do it out of disrespect? Or do you do this because you feel compelled to spread your personal realizations to others?

I do it because I think blind religious faith is harmful to society and I like to learn about other people's viewpoints!

"[...]and it harm none, do as ye may."

it seems as though some people don't have much else to live for but, reality in their own illusion. and if that illusion does no one harm then why not let them alone to do it. they may be able to do more good if they have something to believe in. it would be inhumane to take that away from them indescriminently and with out sympathy. always remember understanding, compassion and light-heartedness in this.

"there will be an answer, let it be."

Ahh, but people do harm. How many people have been hung or crucified by religions?
The librarian at Alexandria was skinned alive by the zealots. The knowledge of the world was burned and destroyed.
What were the zealots? The first generation of ignorant dumbies who pulled the civilized world down and smashed the greatest art in the streets.

And they'll do it again.

And who might these "zealots" been?

Those that tore the Roman world down. Raped, murdered, crucified, burned, broke, smashed and skinned the educated.

They that were instrumental in bringing about the Dark Ages - which, obviously never passed.

I just got up, it took a awhile last night but I started to get going over this again.

Religion - what a blight! - I'll read the other posts and see tere is a decent place for me to rant more.

I know someone that died (stopped heart) and was brought back...does that count?

hearts stop all the time... thats what those zappy thingies do... stopping and restarting is no biggie

When the Oxygen gets cut off to the brain - and the heart stops and all the brain cells die; and rigor sets in, and the flies do their work and the little maggies do their thing, brotha you ain't waking up.

You ain't resurrecting. You is all done, forever.

Hate to break the news. When you first caught this idea when you were a little kid and started crying - you were right.

Could everything mommy and daddy and the priests and the nuns and pastors and all your parents friends and all your pals at school; and all their parents and all churches and all the cathedrals and all the kings and queens and all the millions of people who have been hassling about this for the last 2000 years be wrong???

Could they all be wrong???

Could you have been right the very first time you caught the notion of what death means; and yet all the people who say different - be wrong?

Could they all be wrong?

@ some point, all knowledge fails. For example, "all that I can be certain of is my own ignorance," has a critical flaw in logic making even this knowledge uncertain.

So, I like, "There are no absolutes and even that's a maybe."

Certain of uncertainty! Or the Tao of the universe (Physics). Your only half right cybex. :D

debatable.

or for more...

...and then some

I'm not referring to Zeitgeist with that particular quote; you can easily research the mythologies of other cultures and see that Christianity shares many common themes with other mythologies. I don't think that's very debatable.