Texas Declares State Sovereignty
source: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/
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“I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,” Gov. Perry said. “That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states’ rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.”
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Kristie_Lewis
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Goodbye! Texas had no problems with every American losing their civil rights under the Patriot act. Talk about "intrusion into the lives of Americans". Texas is more than welcome to leave, we'll leave the light off for you in 12 years when you have a hurricane in Galveston and want aid from the US. I can't name a single thing positive to ever come out of Texas. Bye!
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Kristie_Lewis
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bonesmattingly
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If they go, hopefully Mexico will retake it in a bloody battle and all those fat ignorant Texan's will have to spend 3 days in the desert trying to get into the US only to be captured and shipped back. Honestly, who will miss em?
- 3 years ago
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bonesmattingly
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defweb
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i'm from texas moved to chicago 4 years ago than upstate new york 3 years ago.. theres way more hickish people here in upstate new york than texas so shush
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defweb
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spoonieday
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I don't know if any of you non-Texans are aware if this, but all the major metropolitan areas in the state voted for Barack Obama. Young people also voted overwhelmingly for him. It is the rural areas that you guys are probably thinking of for all your hateful ideas about Texas. Things are changing there too though. I think its interesting how supposedly open-minded people are so ready to believe that everone in a certain states all believe the same way. Some of y'all are really being close-minded jerks to the people of Texas. Do you agree with everything that elected officials in your state say? No, because you are individual people with you own ideas. It is the same here in Texas. There are plenty of liberals in Texas, its just that our lines are drawn to secure Republican power, which makes getting them our of office a sometimes overwhelming task. But I think that one day our numbers will be too large for them to hold on so securely to power. Why don't you look in your own backyard for crazies before you start bashing Texas.
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spoonieday
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hedonic
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This just in ... Austin planning to secede from Texas.
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hedonic
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Found_Avenue
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I hope they secede, too. Good riddance to ungrateful rubbish.
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Found_Avenue
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TheEmpireGuy
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Treason! My ass!
If you think Texas is the only one then you've got another thing coming
http://current.com/items/89972631/eleven_states_declare_sovereignty_from_tyranni...
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TheEmpireGuy
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current89
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TheEmpireGuy:
Yeah but they all accept federal aid, so you know what, it's a useless gesture, they still depend on the US Government, it's called political posturing.
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current89
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MoonLoon
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This is all political rhetoric from the Gov.
I do agree that the overbearing federal gov't. takes our tax money, uses our future earnings as loan collateral. Then threatens to withold the taxes that have been paid by residents of the various states, if we do not implement federal laws. This is clearly a form of blackmail and should be resented by all tax paying Americans.
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MoonLoon
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TheDesertEagle
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Wow... I've been educated because I didn't know a state could do this.
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TheDesertEagle
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eldamon
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Pretty sure the Gov. of TX has just committed treason or came really damn close.
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eldamon
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ryanking
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@neocongo I've got to agree.
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ryanking
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CalgarC
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lol texas...relgious freaks...
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CalgarC
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neocongo
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Texas reaffirms that which has already been affirmed. You see, if you do too much tea bagging, you end up doing silly, sackless stunts like this.
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neocongo
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bluestranger
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neocongo:
Neo, we agree on most things. Lumping everyone in my state together ain't one of them. You have been a lot more witty than this.
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bluestranger
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poosta7
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Russia downsized by getting rid of Muslim/Taliban rich provinces of Kazhastan, Ubekistan, Turkministan...Russians are better off for it. The USA would be better off without Texas and its right wing extremist GOP evangelical christotaliban base....(but keep Austin, its a small node of sanity in the lone star state and they can join OPEC)
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poosta7
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artist_speaks_out
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'Merica I'd just like to say a few words at'cha... Uh, Gilt... Hooey. Uh... Hokem. And, oh yeah... Texas.
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artist_speaks_out
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Lecti
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Wow. This is awesome. It reminds me of the first time I travelled outside of TX by myself as an adult. I didn't realize that I was some freak of nature for thinking like and being from Texas. Fortunately I've had enough experience outside of TX to see it's finer points and to reject it's lesser ones.
Politics is like the Weather in TX. If you don't like it, wait 5 minutes, it'll change. Oh wait, they rigged the district lines a few years back so that's not true anymore.
It's too bad Molly Ivans has passed. She could use her pen very effectively in this situation
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Lecti
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ras_menelik
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“Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may.”
Pashtunwali concept of living
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ras_menelik
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TheEmpireGuy
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THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE CIVIL WAR!
The tyrannical Federal Government put tariffs on the southern states and tried to take the rights of the state away.
If you think that the civil war was fought about slavery and racism then you couldn't be more far from the point. Abolishing slavery was something that ol' Abe Lincoln tacked on to satisfy the people when they asked why they were fighting this war (shortly after the bloody battle of Gettysburg).
Abraham Lincoln wasn't as good of a person as so many think he was. He was actually very tyrannical, many in the south believed so. He was infringing on the rights of the states. The issue of slavery should have been an issue left up to the states.
Our federal government does not control the states and it certainly doesn't control the people. WE CONTROL IT!
A people that is afraid of the government is tyranny, but a government that is afraid of the people is Liberty.
DON"T TREAD ON ME!
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TheEmpireGuy
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy:
Tyranical! Tyranical! You lost any right to complain about Tyrany from the federal government when the south decided that a state could decide personhood.
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy:
Sorry, not from the south.
Cali!
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy:
I don't approve of slavery in any way, especially when the government is the one enslaving people.
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TheEmpireGuy
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy:
You were condoning the actions of the south. You were stating the unthinkable that slavery should have been left up the the states. That may have been a legal point but it was contrary to the spirit of our founding. It was the greatest irony of democracy that we had the gaul to say that all men were created equal but not disavow the institution of slavery. A majority of Americans at the time of the civil war didn't want slavery. The majority should have ruled on such an important matter as with most issues of personal liberty if we had allowed states rights to govern we wouldn't be living in a free country. The point of a federal government like ours is that the founders thought it was the best way to preserve personal liberties. Personal liberties are far more important than the liberties of any state.
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy:
When our founding fathers created this country they new that slavery was wrong, but they had their hands tied because the ousting of slavery meant the destruction of the economy of almost the entire nation. After the Revolutionary War, America was in some serious debt and if the had abolished slavery then their economy would go to hell-in-a-handbasket.
Slavery is wrong and should have been an issue solved by the states. Slavery was on it's way out even before the Civil War and, more than likely, would have been completely eradicated in a few years.
That didn't happen. The south succeeded because the Federal Government kept trying to tell them what to do, which we see happening today.http://current.com/items/89972631/eleven_states_declare_sovereignty_from_tyranni...
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TheEmpireGuy
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy:
But it wasn't an issue solved by the states. It was an issue that would have never been solved by the states. How long should freedom have waited? If something is right to do it is right for every state. If this nation has a moral obligation is meets it together.
Should we allow Utah to have aranged mairages with young girls and old men because of states rights? Should we allow Alaska which as the highest rate of rape and incest to ban abortion in those instances because of a religous more that isn't shared by the victims in those instances and is abhorent to the nation as a whole to think of bearing the child of a father or rapist. This gradualism you speak of isn't liberty its opression.
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ocanada
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TheEmpireGuy:
I've never heard that slavery was declining in the South, could you cite your source because I am interested in reading about that.
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spoonieday
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Elligirl
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It would be impossible for Texas to fully secede. Trade arrangements and routes with Mexico would prohibit it alone, not to mention several other factors.
It's nice that the politicians are finding a way to state their distaste, but this isn't the way to pull the country and their own state out of this sorry economic state.
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Elligirl
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evoleon
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Why do people think that a state would just "fall Apart" if it ever left the US. They would make drastic cuts, but trust me in saying that other countries would jump at the opportunity to have a safe haven so close to the US. Things would be rough for the first 6 months but then everything would smooth out.
Without Aid? What do you think the fed just sends big convoys of food into the cities or something it doesn't work like that. Texas would increase their taxes and get rid of income tax. Thus they would have plenty of money to pay for all the shit they would need. Then tons of people would flock to Texas seeing that many people identify with a libertarian style government. Texas would probably lock down on their borders. Many volunteers would join to secure the border (as they do now). In the end I think many in the US would be happy. The liberals would be happy now that they will have a 1 party system, the libertarians will have a place to go live their lives as they wish. Then as you struggle with Medical Marijuana laws, Texans can smoke anything they want. Now that the DEA can't enter.
I think it's a win win situation. The US can have back it's military hardware if they want, as Texas can just buy the same tech from the Chinese for a lot less.
This would never happen. America would gladly kill it's own citizens to keep a piece of land. They will lock up the dissenters and charge the officials with treason. They will punish the economy and use Texas as an example for the rest of the states that aren't going with the "program" in the end you have a bunch of dead people and even more people with less hope in this little world.
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evoleon
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ocanada
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evoleon:
We wouldnt' allow them to use our Currency. Texas's currency would be virtualy worthless. All the money in Texas would essentialy evaporate overnight and there would be massive flight for many people who are quite happy being Americans. The rest of the country would require its military armaments be returned and likely armed conflict would ensue if Texas refused to turn over its armaments. It isn't anything to be cavalier about.
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ocanada
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evoleon
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evoleon:
How are you going to control the money? The federal government can't even control the money. Texas would just create a new currency based off the metals trade. Honestly as it's going either way the money will be pretty damn worthless. They can trade their dollars for something else. Put in place their own currency back by those metals and there you go. Plus many people are getting out of dollars. Enjoy hyper inflation.
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evoleon
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ocanada
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evoleon:
Currency isn't just invented. It took decades for the dollar to be accepted around the world. It is currently the global reserve currency and the currency that the commodities trade is based on. Almost all of the value of texans hard earned cash would evaporate overnight with the adoption of a new currency. Just ask the confederates, oh Texas is already well aquainted with them.
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ocanada
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evoleon:
also, texas doesn't have an income tax, we have only the federal one. this is a dumb PR stunt which he will have to step back from in the coming days. the young people of Texas are no longer Republican supporters in the way we once were- check the 2008 election results by age if you don't believe me
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spoonieday
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ocanada
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I think its terrible how cavalier southerners are about the loss of life in the Civil War. All of that blood was American blood. The blood of brothers and when all was said and done the blood was the blood of freedmen. Free from the tyrany of a document that encapsulated all the hope and irony of the worlds democracies. That all men are created equal but not all men were created free.
Today isn't just the day we declare our taxes as Americans. Today is the day that our democracy failed. Today is the day that John Wilkes Boothe shouting the motto of the Virginians decided to be a Virginian first before an American and redressed his greivances with a bullet rather than a petition. Today is the day that Abraham Lincoln was cast into the ages.
Somehow we honor his unwitting sacrifice with an ignoble mark of taxation. Perhaps it is fitting. Where we chose to tax our souls as a nation with the blood of our leaders and brothers we too should abide the tyrany of other mens hearts if only to quiet the hot blood that has been spilled in our recent memory.
What happened to the spirit of shared sacrifice as a nation? What happened to the sacred ground of Gettysburg. Was it somehow desecrated to the point of irelevance? So that people can spit on the dead with talk of another rift. Another day when Americans cease to be Americans because they can not abide our democracy. These creatures who call themselves Americans and patriots but spit in the face of liberty when it takes any course but thiers do not know the justice of history. These are not the Americans I know. This is not the America my ancestors bled for.
Sic Semper Tyranus indeed. Thus always to Tyrants. Even tyrants with tea bags.
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ocanada
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current89
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BS, a state can't just secede from the Union, it's hyperbole and political positioning on Mr. Perry's part. The United States military would have already sent troops to Texas and arrested Perry for treason.Texas would fall apart in a matter of days without aid, and what nation in it's right mind would recognize Texas?
I guess the US government should stop all aid programs, stop social security, pull all defenses out, remove the FBI, stop repairing federal roads, and burn the national parks. Without the Feds the state is nothing.
Sorry to shatter the delusion bubble some of you folks live in, but no state has truly seceded from the Union of the United States of America, except for during the civil war, and we all know the North won.
We sink or swim together folks, deal with it.
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current89
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current89:
it wasn't succession, it was declaring that, "HEY! I'm a sovereign state and the Federal Government better stop trying to infringe upon that."
You know, the whole "Don't Tread on Me" thing.
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TheEmpireGuy
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ocanada
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current89:
Personal liberties not state liberties. The South was infringing upon the liberties of millions. The south was built upon an institution that was inherintly unjust. They were treading on millions. My family were engaging in abolition. I am a descendent of a freedman and the daughter of a slave owner. My family clothed and fed lincoln when he was a circuit court lawyer in Illinois. Excuse me for being on the right side of history.
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ocanada
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current89:
Do you truly believe that the south were the only ones who had slaves?
Ha!
The North had just as many.Besides, the Civil War was never about racism or slavery, it was about the rights of the state. Abraham Lincoln wanted more Big Government so that the Federal Government could rule the states and the people.
The whole slavery thing was pinned on by Abe Lincoln after the bloody battle of Gettysburg because people were now asking as to whether or not they should fight this war. He needed a reason to rally the North behind.Slaves were not treated as badly as text books say or what you see on TV and movies. Most of the time slaves were treated as part of the family. It wasn't logical to beat a slave anyway as it would devalue it worth just as destroying any other property would devalue it.
Am I saying we should have slavery? No. I want the states to be sovereign as they were meant to be. We are only a loose collection of states that is held together by a Federal Government that is supposed to protect life, liberty, and property. The rest i sup to the states to decide.
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy
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Good job Texas, now lets get all 49 other states to do the same!
The Federal Government has been controlling the states for far too long. The states are sovereign and are only loosely connected by our federal government.
LIVE FREE OR DIE TRYING!
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TheEmpireGuy
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TheEmpireGuy:
Im sorry but did you miss that history class about this little thing called the Civil War? You see the outcome was that States Rights to sovereignty are SECOND to the well being of the Union as a whole.
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fun_size
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cafiredancer
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If I close my eyes it sounds just like GWB
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spoonieday
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Texas can split up into five separate states, but we can't secede. obviously we did that in 1861 and that turned out so well for us. He's just trying to get attention because his hair is actually a sentient alien that has taken over his brain and it feeds on conservative attention and liberal outrage. that explains alot if you think about it. i would look into Mitt Romney too, as well as the Blago.
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i don't see what the big deal is, they should do whatever they please down there. seeing as their only contribution to the union was a series of terrible presidents( LBJ, Bush S, Bush) we will surely relish in their absences.
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Sexirobot
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kennymotown
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F Texass, I have hated that state since they killed my president. Not to mention the asshole that just left the Whitehouse. Oh but it's my birthday and what a great gift if Texass were to leave the union. Don't forget we get all of our military equipment back from those bases those are owned by the federal government. To bad the Mexican mafia will overrun your funky state without federal help in stopping them.
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I did'nt see anything referring to Seceding from the union. Only that the constitution guarantees that the states all have rights. And the federal Governmentr over the years have removed those rights just as they have taken away the individual rights. Texas is excercising their right and as for seceding , I think that Texas is big enough and intelligent enough to dump religion and act like civilized human beings and prosper alone just as well.
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AmourTerreux
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Something's fishy...I can smell it. Do you really want to trust another Texan?
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AmourTerreux:
Actually, The Decider was born in Connecticut, thank you very much. His life of entitlement is to blame for his haughtiness.
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bluestranger
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mik661
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No problem. Cut off all federal aid whatsoever to Texas. Pull out all Federal agents, troops or agencies supported by the Fed's. Then declare a tariff on all oil produced in Texas exported to the United States and close the borders.
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mik661
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sk8bs55
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united we stand; divided we fall.
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sk8bs55
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sk8bs55:
I stand beside no man, others stand beside me.
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lordd42
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freshfish
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LOL im from texas but im moving to new mexico..thank god but what a great way to drop the border issue off on some one else obama should just let texas deal with its part and secede.
I just hope El Paso becomes part of New Mexico, too nice a place to end up belonging to Texas. :)The only problem is if Texas Secedes it will start drilling for oil everywhere anyone notice that their is not one dark face in that crowd in Austin. Sounds like perry is up to something shady.
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freshfish
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JSmith44
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Catchy Headline. Maybe something for "24"
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ddhboy
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So when they send the f-15s to bomb the hell out of Texas, will Gov. Perry be so proud?
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jimwiz3416
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If this passes, I'll seriously consider moving to Texas...
Of course, I'll have to learn the language, first!
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jimwiz3416:
Texican, somewhat akin to english and mexican, with variations thereof ~~ not to worry though, you'll get it down soon enuff ~~ the drawl however.........?
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akamaial [removed]
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uberdeft
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As always we focus on the troublemaker instead of the trouble. The point is you/we/all/future are being dragged down by an unapologetic federal government and every state is a victim of it. And does anyone have anything concrete about Texas failing on its own? We have oil, more corporate headquarters than any other state, even our moderate annual temperatures makes us economically superior. The way I see it Texas is the nicest house on the block and Rick Perry has a set of balls, what does your governor have?
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uberdeft
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uberdeft:
Good call, people need to grow a pair!
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lordd42
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uberdeft:
Glad I don't live on your block!
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uberdeft:
..brings up a great point. I am not Osama Bin Laden and neither would I abduct anything, put it in a suitcase and throw it in a lake. But if you want me to be a gay loving peta vegan everything, that is not going to happen either.
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uberdeft:
This isn't about anything as petty as money. God Damn it. This is about 600,000 people who bled on fields of Gettysburg, Anteitem, Vicksburg, Shiloh, Bulls Run, and at thousands of other locations. Warm blood, American blood. We forged an identity out of chaos and conflict. Our unity is bought by blood and is owed more deference than any monetary sum. When Americans are imperilled Americans come to our aid. Whether its floods in Indiana or brushfires in Texas or the feeling we all shared after 9/11 we are Americans in times of greif and strife. This is a crises. Now is the time to be an American fist and not a Texan or a Hoosier or a Buckeye it is the time to be a Yankee. We can all risk hanging together as Benjamin Franklin said or we can face the certainty that we will all hang apart.
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ocanada
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uberdeft:
Rick Perry's balls are securely residing in the pocket of a quickly dwindleing conservative base. He is a drugstore cowboy like most of the arch consevatives in our state. The son of priviledge who wouldn't know what it takes to put in a hard day on a working ranch. The incident with the D.P.S. trooper pretty much sums up his thought process. The trooper pulled him over and he starts ranting "Do you know who I am?". Yes we do know who and what you are, Rick. That should be apparent from your last vote tally, 38% .
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bluestranger
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masterzip
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The next time a hurricane rolls through, or Mexican drug gangs take over Texas, I am sure they will be looking for a federal handout /assistance. So much for patriotism,...why wasn't this said during the last 8 years when the largest borrowing in history took place(Cheney even said deficits mean nothing,..right?),...without all his borrowing, we would not need a tax increase,...didn't Milton Friedman say once that borrowing today is a tax increase tomorrow,..or something similar....
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masterzip
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So far the Obama Administration hasnt broken an Constitutional boundaries, if they think so then they can take the US to the supreme court.
And without the federal government, Texas would be squandering in poverty. The Fed governemnt gives so much to Texas in the form of tech business, military bases, hurricane relief, stimulus money, etc... If Governor Perry (who was elected with 38%) wants to declare "sovereignty" which is essentially independence if they decide to disobey the Constitutional laws of the Federal government, then he can do so and Texas will see what its like without the US.
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NickerBocker09:
Not exactly, they'd be like the tribes, they'd still get to drive on our roads, pay taxes, pay S.S. and draw S.S. medicaid, etc. But they could open their own casino's
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allIknowis
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NickerBocker09:
The supreme court is a joke they are just political puppets.
"essentially independence if they decide to disobey the Constitutional laws of the Federal government"
That's the problem is Bush wiped his arse with the constitution and Obama is following suit. He's not only still torturing people in gitmo he has increased frequency!
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lordd42
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delas78
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I think people are confusing sovereignty with Independence.
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delas78
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delas78:
just being goofy gotta keep it rollin
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sickinjersey
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delas78:
Sovereignty is the right to exercise, within a territory, the functions of a state, exclusive of any other state, and subject to no other authority.[1] A sovereign is a supreme lawmaking authority.
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Independent
# free from external control and constraint; "an independent mind"; "a series of independent judgments"; "fiercely independent individualism"
# autonomous: (of political bodies) not controlled by outside forces; "an autonomous judiciary"; "a sovereign state"
# mugwump: a neutral or uncommitted person (especially in politics)
# (of a clause) capable of standing syntactically alone as a complete sentence; "the main (or independent) clause in a complex sentence has at least a subject and a verb"
# freelancer: a writer or artist who sells services to different employers without a long-term contract with any of them
# not controlled by a party or interest group - 3 years ago
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lordd42
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darthophage
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Okay, so umm... What does this actually mean? forgive my impudence, I'm Canadian, our politics are never as interesting as you Americans.
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darthophage
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darthophage:
Think Quebec under Rene Levesque. :)
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wirehedd
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darthophage:
The beginning.
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lordd42
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darthophage:
it doesn't mean anything, it's just rhetoric designed to fire up the conservative base. more young people in texas voted for Obama than McCain. obviously if he wanted to secede and go to war it would be very difficult to do that when the majority of politically engaged young people don't believe in conservative ideals anymore. We wouldn't fight for him and most of the middle aged people in Texas are fat so they won't be fighting.
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spoonieday
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sickinjersey
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The USA to the north MEXICO to the south?They even have beaches, a big river and six flags.
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AlexBush
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Today I'm proud to call Texas my home
- 3 years ago
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chasingame
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I agree that the federal government has overstepped its bounds. Hell, I even agree with a lot of what is written in H.C.R.No.50. What strikes me as funny is that it comes out now. Gov. Perry was sworn in on December 21, 2000. He waited through eight years of GOP leadership and now that they have lost power it is time to bring it up. It is nothing more than party bullshit and if those of you that live in Texas can take pride in that then more power to you. Personally I want government leadership (both state and federal) that looks out for its people not party line.
- 3 years ago
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lordd42
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chasingame:
It took you to make me realize, it took you to make me see the light.
-Trent Resnor
- 3 years ago
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lordd42
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unclematt
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Does this mean we will need a passport to visit Texas? LOL
- 3 years ago
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Venom7
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OMG LETS JUST STEREOTYPE ALL THE TEXANS INSTEAD OF HAVING A REAL DISCUSSION GUYS!!
That's much easier than having to think!
- 3 years ago
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lordd42
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Venom7:
Agreed.
Obama is torturing people in Gitmo while people are waving red flags and wanting to attack.
Have you people watched TV so long that you don't know how to do anything else?
Freedom is more important then most things to almost everyone and anyone trying to deny it, especially under constitutional right, is just flat out wrong.
- 3 years ago
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lordd42
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wirehedd
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Most people I know would say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." if Texas were to secede.
Save the federal government BILLIONs in tax dollars spent there wouldn't it?
Would also make the drug war with Mexican cartels their problem to deal with.
Oh well.
Personally, I love the San Padre area, Austin is fun but dry counties are just stupid.
- 3 years ago
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wirehedd
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pmhat
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wirehedd:
it would be interesting to see how texas would deal with its mexican boarder without the feds involved.
- 3 years ago
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wirehedd:
Probably the way they did it in 1836, worked fine till the feds got involved.
- 3 years ago
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evanator
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now i'm not a fan of texas usually but i have to say hats off texas fuck the fed
- 3 years ago
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evanator
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dognose
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hmmm. I don't really know what to say about this one. For once I'll just shut up. You're welcome. heh.
- 3 years ago
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cybexg
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rrawtry:
Might want to also review the total amount of federal $$ Texas receives before going on about the states "better folks."
- 3 years ago
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lordd42
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rrawtry:
If you are talking about military budget income then they made the right choice in my book. Who wants blood money anyways?
- 3 years ago
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rrawtry:
having lived in Texas all my life, my answer to your question is no.
- 3 years ago
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rrawtry:
Might be that you have natural resources that you use to give yourselves undue political will over much of the rest of the nation. You make your money from oil and the ofshoot petrochemichal and transportation companies that are related to the oil trade. Might also be that you have been allowing illeagal immigrants to depress wages and do work that would have been more expensive up north where the people who work are actualy from this country and can claim citezenship. But what do I know I'm a stupid yankee with relatives who were in high level positions at Texas Instruments.
- 3 years ago
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neocongo
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Interesting timing, given it was recently discovered there is a floating pile of crap in the Pacific Ocean approximately the same size as Texas...
- 3 years ago
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neocongo
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neocongo:
I say we boot Texas and invite the floating pile of trash!
- 3 years ago
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Ayahuasca2012
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neocongo:
Sound call.
- 3 years ago
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bluestranger
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What he should have mentioned is that he won the last election with 38% of the vote. No, there is no run off in our governors race. Now, if we could only get 25 more candidates to run, maybe we could get Governor Good Hair to retire to big "D" with the Decider.
- 3 years ago
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lucidstone
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To put this in context, if California proposed this during when Bush was in office . . . . the Republicans would have used one word, TREASON.
Anybody that thinks that seceding would be a good idea is an idiot in my book, and very much possibly a traitor for proposing sedition in the first place.
Think about that for a second, all of you so-called "patriots".
- 3 years ago
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allIknowis
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lucidstone:
." the Republicans would have used one word, TREASON."
Close, but I think the word would of been ADIOS. - 3 years ago
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lucidstone:
lucidstone;
"To put this in context, if California proposed this during when Bush was in office . . . . the Republicans would have used one word, GOOD RIDDANCE"
BWAHAHAHAHA - 4 years ago
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FallenMorgan
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Time to bring back the original framework of the United States, a voluntary union of states coming together to form a common federal government, not a federal government barking down orders to puppet states.
- 3 years ago
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ashcatash
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FallenMorgan:
Hear hear!!
- 3 years ago
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ashcatash
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AlexBush
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FallenMorgan:
amen.
- 3 years ago
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AlexBush
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CosmicSpiral
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FallenMorgan:
You want the Articles of Confederation back? :/
- 3 years ago
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CosmicSpiral