Tea Party Protests

Hey, I can't complain, I actually get an extra $10.65 back a week. That will almost cover how much my property taxes have gone up. But how can he say he lowered taxes for 95% of Americans when 40% don't pay taxes? What's less than zero? Bailout!

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Good one!

The original quote was 95% of tax paying Americans. Though john, I don't think you really care about the facts anyways.

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You don't think I care about facts? Why, because I don't agree with Obama? I care only about facts and that is why I disagree with Obama. We are in a economic depression because we got ourselves too deeply into debt. So let's get farther into dept to solve the problem? That is buck wild crazy! The facts I care about are my bank account and my wallet, and they aren't looking any better no matter how many platitudes I hear from Mr. Obama.

No, I don't think you care about facts because you seem to consistently misstate them.

again you stray away from the content of my response.

Here it is again

"The original quote was 95% of tax paying Americans. Though john, I don't think you really care about the facts anyways."

It was in response to your misstatement of the quote.

So, how about correcting your incorrect quote, or simply agreeing that you don't really care about the facts.

Notice the absence of 1) Obama, 2) the economy, 3) tax policy, 4) life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, 5) etc. in my response.

Now, judging from above you seem to have trouble staying focused.

can you stay focused enough to either a) correct your misstatement of the quote or b) acknowledge that facts are of little meaning to you?

95% decrease in taxes? I don't feel it. And, he's hiding taxes for the poor/middle income with the huge jump in cigarette, alcohol and coming soon.... sugar soda! I don't smoke, but talked with a guy in Colorado and a pack of cigs is $6.00 now! Tell me that doesn't hurt a regular guy.

Ash, that's your opinion and you're welcomed to it. However, it still does NOT change the fact that John misstated the quote and did not acknowledge it as such.

Really???

Because most reports have the vast majority of the parties falling flat (low attendance, disorganized, etc)

Those reports are faked. I went to two in Florida today and they were absolutely packed!!

talk about not knowing facts - socialism and progressives were first introduced to the united states by woodrow wilson, rosevelt carried it on with his new deal, it is in this tradition that hillary clinton, pelosi, obama and many others call themselves progressives.
Woodrow wilson was the turning point where the country started moving away from the constitution and the forefathers intentions.
Socialism was originally tried here during the 13 colonies but was scrapped when most people were sitting around letting others carry the weight.
The forefathers realized it is not compatible with freedom. socialism has never worked, and it's not going to work now.

An excellent question Jan.

Agreed my friend.

20x ! ! ! !

Good Comments, Jan. Peaceful dissension should never be discouraged in the U.S.A. There is an unhealty fixation on Bush or Obama as being the problem. The problem is big gov't. and the greed of politicians and their cronies. That is the real problem!

I Love JanforGore...you and i share a perspective of the future..it is our childrens future we are playing with..our childrens money we give away to crooks..our childrens liberties we put at risk when we hand over our own freedoms for security and stability...the only thing we know is that our children will grow..and what we have will become theirs...on the road we're on now we won't have s*** left to pass on to them...but DEBT!

namaste

Well, the Democrats "pissed and moaned" for 8 long years because their candidates didn't get elected. (trust me, I go to a liberal college, I had to listen to them griping on and on and on). Can I gripe now? Am I allowed to complain?

yeh thats it. we hope

How is spending even more money than George Bush did (a staggering thought in itself) supposed to be undoing anything? George Bush got us too deep in debt, so to fix it, we're going to go even further into debt? What the hell kind of sense does that make?

Are you liberal? If so, aren't you supposed to be tolerant and understanding? Wow, you certainly don't sound it.
Talking like that isn't going to make anyone change their minds. You certainly aren't changing mine. All you are doing is reafirming the old stereotype of "the angry liberal"

exactly, Ayahuasca2012

agreed 10x

HaHaHa, I didn't even know there WAS such a thing as a stereotype angry liberal. What, liberals aren't allowed to be angry? And you are absolutely right ash, liberals ARE tolerant and understanding. You don't see them calling themselves "Compassionate Liberals" because that would be redundant.

But of course these very labels are utterly ridiculous. They are SUPPOSED to describe how open a person is to change and new ideas. Conservative -- go slow, don't fix what isn't broken, a bird in the hand, etc Liberal -- new ideas for new times, if it doesn't work, try something else, with big risks come big rewards,etc. Instead they have become shorthand expressions for "people we don't like."

When one of my state's Republican Senators ran for reelection last term, I was placed on his mailing list. I received at least one mailing from his campaing every single week for over nine months (one week I received one every day except, of course, Sunday). I started noticing a common theme, so I hole-punched them as they came in and put them in a three-ring binder. Every single piece demonized his opponent as a "liberal." Some pieces contained the world "liberal" at least once in every single paragraph.

More to the point, the text rarely went on to describe WHY the guy was a liberal or IN WHAT WAY he was a liberal. It was as though calling him a liberal was enough all by itself--like "liberal" was the equivalent of "baby killer" or "serial rapist." I was tempted to send the campaign a dictionary but decided voting for their opponent probably made the point just as well...

cztheday, you've never heard of the "angry liberal" stereotype before? Seriously? It's about as popular as "rich Neo-con" and "femi-nazi."
Anyway, my point was simply that he was acting like the "angry liberal" stereotype. Not very appealing, personally.

Ayahuasca2012, This may come as a surprise to you but not all the people at the Tea Parties were Conservatives. Most people don't buy into the "TAX CUT" that will last about 1 year before the ax falls. Maybe looking beyond today would help. Looking beyond today is why approximately 30 governors are refusing Stimulus money. That money would bankrupt States in the future. This is because it would require extensions of programs and the Federal dollars would have long been spent. Don't forget, the Federal money is not free. It didn't just appear out of the sky or come from trees in the backyard. It's our money. Most of us are tired of Congress spending more and more every year. Spending money we don't have. I'm surprised that you are not angry about this. Instead, you seem to want to turn this into a LEFT/RIGHT thing. You couldn't be more wrong. By the way, calling people retarded and morons does nothing to support your view, limited as it is.

I really don't think I'm a liberal and I really don't think that the people who attended the Tea Baggings were all conservatives. But unfortunately the events were largely planned by conservative interests with purely political goals at heart. Making the events mainly a tool to use against Obama and his administration. It's not like the Republicans would have done anything differently anyway... if McCain had been elected he would be doing exactly the same thing except there would have been no Tea Parties...

While I agree that the fact that Obama has authorized such massive spending is frightening I don't feel that as of yet we are in the position to make judgments without seeing if there is any impact.

It took Bush 8 years to add roughly 20% of the amount we currently have to our national debt. Which in itself was a feat and while Obama may have added near as much in his first 90 days or so in office it is entirely possible (though not probable) that infusing that money will have made the difference and will keep our economy from failing/falling further.

It is terrible that ourselves and our children will be paying for this for years to come. I really would have preferred that the money was not spent to keep those companies afloat but at this point what can I do?

I feel that the trend Bush started by giving handouts to these companies was heinous and one of the most undemocratic and uncapitalistic acts I have ever witnessed. I wish Obama had not continued the trend and I feel that our country's economy could have turned around without bailing out the failing companies. The country existed before those companies were in business and will exist long after.

I think people are failing to realize that Obama, Bush, McCain, Pelosi, etc are all politicians and will do whatever they are told to do to appease their interests even if that means giving away money this country doesn't have and putting us into debt for 10,000 years.

Having a Tea Party, as quaint as cute as it is isn't going to change that fact. Protesting isn't going to change it and neither is impeaching Obama. If you impeach him the next person to replace him will do as they are told as well. Do we all fail to see that this country is not a democracy and that it hasn't been a democracy for a very, very long time and that we have all been tricked?

I think I have went way off track with what I intended to say... but agree with me or disagree with me I think the whole Tea Party idea was stupid and anyone who attended as well.

Huge fucking agree!!!! I couldn't have worded it better myself. This isn't an us vs them situation at all. This is a sad attempt of the bitter bigoted morons of America to display their distaste that Obama is in office. And to continue down the road of accusing an entire party of being tax crazy and socialistic. The fact that anyone even thinks that the two parties are separate and support either side is ridiculous and horribly transparent at this point.

I believe Obama is thinking about the future and it's pretty difficult to plan around the heaping pile of shit Bush and his admin left behind. And now NeoCons are using it against Obama when their party caused this mess.

Yes...I've been pretty disappointed with some recent decisions by Obama.. But it's been the conservative decisions that make me disappointed.

The more NeoCons squirm..the better off the world is.

And please...no one respond to this with their usual character assassination of rebpub versus liberal points of view.

We don't need much more proof that the entire government and capitalistic model have been in cahoots for decades and have had a socialistic model established for some time now.

It's ridiculous that any of us are even picking sides and arguing over this shit.

If our country is too chicken shit to over throw the government....then start creating more parties...

Because the two party system is not working.

I work 60 hours a week to pay my bills, my mortgage is up to date, my car is paid for, and I don't owe a dime to any credit card company. I am not "filthy rich" by any stretch of the term. So why am I paying everyone else's way? Where's my bailout? I don't get one, I was responsible enough to not get into debt and buy things I couldn't afford, so I get screwed.

uhm it was alot of blue collar people too, ones who's taxes go to people who are too fuckin lazy to work, and feed off of the middle class

the upper class has all the right in the world to be pissed too, they made it, everyone else didnt, their fault

I was amazed when people were saying that Obama was endangering the safety of the country by lowering the military budget. Since when was 12 million dollar increase shrinking the budget?

Looks like we need military budget for Mexico and pirates.

Impeach Obama? on what grounds?
Its not as easy as it sounds and especially when you don't have extremely good reasons to do so.

Well, the parties were sponsored by Fox News, so it's not surprising to me that the other major news networks didn't cover it in a way that pleased you (Do you see Fox advertising for the Today Show Concert Series?)

And before you get uptight about the definition of "sponsorship," remember that Fox sent their "reporters" to various major cities to act as "hosts" for the parties, and called the parties "The FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," all day long, and repeatedly encouraged everyone viewing to go! I have never seen CNN instruct their viewers to leave their houses and go to a protest. Why? Because it's not a fair or balanced thing to do! News networks are supposed to report the news, not create it.

Paratus, tell me something. Where were you when Bush was borrowing and spending us into insolvency? Were you angry then? Was it ok because you didn't think he raised your taxes? Or is it because you still haven't figured out how he burned your kids future to give tax breaks to wealthy Americans?

When I hear conservatives such as yourself, complaining about taxes it reminds me of an arrogant teenager who after totaling the family car goes on a tirade against the mechanic who got stuck trying to fix it.

Still, I'm willing to support your desire not to pay taxes under the following conditions: you and your family have to give up the things federal tax dollars provide like military protection, infrastructure and education subsidies, environmental protection, social security benefits, medicare, medicaid, federal law enforcement, consumer protection, etc. Fair enough?

I wish that was a real deal...i'd take it..aslong as i'm allowed to peacefully live in the woods without anyone coming to bother me..(government)...you say it like freedom is a bad thing...just because i was born in this mess doesnt mean i wanna die in it..

namaste

Actually the report came out 2 days ago and the study was well under way before Obama even got into office, but never let the facts get in the way of ranting like the teabaggers don't

Wait... Obama is afraid of his own citizens speaking out? If I recall correctly wasn't Bush the one who wouldn't take candid questions during speeches. Who ordered the shutdown and arrest of protesters at every chance... yeah... pretty sure it was him.

Well, I only read about it today, and I read a very liberal newspaper, the Memphis Commercial Appeal. Sorry if their reporting was mis-timed.

And I didn't vote for George Bush either.

I watched again and STILL didn't see anything about Obama being afraid of his own citizens speaking out OR about him speaking to the Taliban. I have no objection to him trying to engage the Taliban in negotiations (especially with regard to the terms of their surrender), but to the best of MY knowledge he has only done so with Iran (which of course makes perfect sense -- one would have to be a total idiot to threaten a country like Iran with war without at least TRYING to negotiate a resolution to all or some of the issues on which we disagree.). I am glad you didn't vote for Bush, John (shows good sense on your part), but where did you see or hear this "fear" thing and this "Taliban" thing? Perhaps I just missed the news that day.

Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Rielly, Sarah Palin are all scary, they hate lot's of Americans. I heard of other rightwing groups saying things like gather your guns the Government is coming and nonsense talk like that. Not much logic on the right side these days. What happened. Reagan had higher % of taxes on the rich so what is the issue? I think Republicans have been replaced by the, Sarah "golly well you like apple pie dont ya" so we are the same, attitude. Wink wink kick under the table.

JohnA, get your facts straight. The report you are referring to was commissioned by the Bush Administration to study both right AND left wing extremist groups in America. It was just finished which is why you happen to be hearing about it.

Republicans like Hitler??? dude what planet did you come from? You are the guy who voted FOR Obama because he hung out with ARYES and Doren

VoyagerFilms you have to be kidding. Maybe if Obama was considering are already incredibly rediculous. Someone needs to get this socialist fuck out of office before he runs our country into the dirt.

Yeah- tells it how it is? Are you kidding me. He put every private interest in his cabinet he could, he plays the part of the concerned President making bold moves to get jokers like you to be sheep....then people like Geithner do all they can to fuck the public and then some. Yeah I'm glad you voted in a hypocritical socialist that KEPT private interest in Washington.

Very clever argument, comparing Republicans to Hitler. No one has EVER come up with that idea before!! Wow...I am amazed at your brilliant verbal jousting, monsieur! Truly amazed!
Maybe next time you can come up with a quote as equally clever, like "Bush lied, men died," or something else witty and original!

you should pull your nose away from the crack of Obamas ass. I mean seriously dude you can tell if he had mashed potatoes for dinner....pretty sad

your misinformed, it's the progressives that started all the historic fascist movements --mussolini, hitler, pelosi

Dudes, you all got it wrong. This is nothing more than an attempt to undermine Obama and the Democrats so not you, but the wealthiest tiny percentage of people can retain control of the money systems, oil companies can keep milking you fools.

Ya, I was wrong, you all are like Hitler. You'd see your own country burn before you'd respect the Democratic electoral process the great country is founded on.

The election was fair and square this time. Obama, and his philosophy WON the election. The Republican philosophy we've had for the last 8 years was voted out, rejected.

So, you missed out on all the fun of us Democrats standing up to a President and his minions and the feeling of sweet victory getting them out. So now you enviously want some of that too, but it ain't gonna come this way, with false claims and misunderstanding.

Obama has given you a tax break. Obama is right in keeping as many of you employed as possible, despite your position. Bush didn't build those detentions centers for us Democrats, they were built for radicals - like you maybe.

the election was fair and square when bush won, but you did not respect the democratic process -- conservatives showed MUCH more class when bama got elected.

you're a frickkin idiot. If your viewpoints are this narrow Voyager, you'll certainly never get anyone of any intelligence to view your film work... You'll certainly sing another tune once the Obama Jackboots come pounding at your door.

I read a great article recentlly about how conservatives suddenly rediscovered that they hated big government the minute Obama was elected.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/14/surveillance/index.html

I like to suggest all the conservatives who are worried about Obama read it (even though none of you will). The article is dead on accurate.

That is a baldfaced lie.

Now I hate that FED just like every other intelligent american...but those stats seem a bit off...the reason i'm saying this is because i find it rather difficult to believe that americans would accept almost half of their annual income taken by taxes...if i am mistaken..i apologize but those numbers just seem unreal!

namaste

You should go out and get put on tape.

Its America baby, you can get a camera for a few coins...like in 15 minutes Express yourself and don't let others who would like to make your ideas sound like the ideas of idiots by going to a gathering of people who share these ideas who are actual idiots and only talking to them and all you do is complain about showing only the idiots when someone with such super awesome problem solving skills like yourself only complains about them showing one of the many tards they cant find.

(you gotta read it like that, No pause.)