The Depoliticization of our current society
source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/22/vietnamwar
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In honoured poverty thy voice did weave
Songs consecrate to truth and liberty,
Deserting these, thou leavest me to grieve,
Thus having been, that thou shouldst cease to be.
Most of this article is about the very politicized bunch of people around the world that protested and wanted to see changes in the world. What I'm asking and wondering now is why the hell has the people of our society stopped caring that the government and everyone else running this world has stopped caring about their interests?!?!?!?! The recession has hit and there should be an uprise in the working class...but there's only been a few and these few have faced a lot of resistance from the government but even from the people who they are fighting for. The bailouts go to the businesses (not to the people who are living in tent cities in the USA), this war in Iraq is still going on (I can;t help but ask WHY?!), the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer, and Obama says that the time for change is now, why isn't anyone doing anything?! Why do we no longer care about the inequality that we live in?!?!?!
We have to do something! If we don't the rich are just going to continue exploiting our poor asses and then they'll just have so much economic power that they'll make things even worse than they are now!
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WhiteNoise
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AT LEAST INTERNET IS SPREADING DA NEWS...
Krugman: "there is now no way to view the people who ruled us these past 8 years as anything but monsters."
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/183/CHILD CHEWING MONSTERS i MAY ADD ;)
Meet the Press and the Media's Distortions of the Bush Prosecutions Debate
By Salon
Glenn Greenwald: The assertion that "most Americans" don't want investigations -- whether made by media stars to argue against investigations or Obama supporters to justify the immunity the President wants to extend to everyone involved -- is factually false.
http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2009/04/21/meet-the-press-and-the-medias-d... - 3 years ago
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WhiteNoise
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corpey
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I can't for the life of me think of anything I could do in this country that would actually make a difference in the system, and yet if I say I want to move away to a neutral country with wiser government then I'm called an escapist, just running away. What the hell are we supposed to do when we're surrounded by mtv american idol mcdonalds zombies who won't lift a finger from their remote control NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS?!?!?!
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corpey
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pinkerbelle
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corpey:
interesting that you call americans mtv-mcdonalds zombies because there's a theory that says that the people that control us give us things to make keep us happy so that we don't complain--this creates a cheerful robot. a cheerful robot would just follow through life with these rules and never questioning them because they're too occupied with their blackberries, iphones, ipods, ps3's, plasmas, twitter, TABLOIDS.....the list goes on. these things are kind of like the seinging pendulum that hypnotizes us so that we can be easier to control.
ps. have you ever seen that disney movie, WALL-E? if you haven't watch it and get back to me because there's an interesting way of life that they portray...ppl and their ideas being controlled by the media and such.
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pinkerbelle
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corpey
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corpey:
Yes, robots are another good comparison. My personal preference is zombies though, because not only are they mindless and not in control of themselves like a robot, but their savage cannibalistic nature is more than vaguely reminiscent of the culture created by capitalism in which the only way that someone can become successful is by ripping people off and taking their money. :)
Yes, technology is a double edged sword, it has great possibility for enhancing our society, but currently most of it is just being used to brainwash the public. One of my favorite things to do is just leave my cell phone at home, it's a very freeing experience.
- 3 years ago
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corpey
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neocongo
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Over the decades, the right wing has done an effective job of making the working class believe it is entirely to blame for its own circumstances. Never mind jobs shipped out of the country. Never mind no health insurance for 40 million Americans. Never mind Wall Street robbing the country blind. Never you mind working class. If you don't have a job, or you're poor, it's still, all your fault.
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neocongo
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JohnA
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Another poor dreamer who really believes Obama will change anything...
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JohnA
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Saladin
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JohnA:
All she did was mention the name.
Fuck John, you're just a broken record. Don't you ever say anything relevant?
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Saladin
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JohnA
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JohnA:
Well what do you think she was talking about?
- 3 years ago
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JohnA
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pinkerbelle
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JohnA:
LOL i don't believe that Obama will make the changes necessary to bring more power to the poorer people of america. I asked if Obama is saying that the time for change is now, why isn't anyone taking this opportunity and making sure it happens?!?!?! Why don't people take matters into their own hands instead of leaving it up to the rich ruling class?!?!?!
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pinkerbelle
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ashcatash
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JohnA:
Why would I want the poorer people getting a lot of power? Seriously, this is America, everyone is equal, with the same amount of power. One vote per person. We all vote and decide who to elect. There should be not handouts, no gift-giving, no government sponsorship of any kind at all.
And lest you think I'm a selfish hog, I have donated to charities and the poor in my community. I just don't believe in the government doing it for me. - 3 years ago
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ashcatash
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pinkerbelle
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JohnA:
...do you really think that you can make a difference in this world? or even if you (assuming you are of the working class) felt like you could make change, would it effective as a person of wealth and fame? there is no such things as equality in america or anywhere in the world...only the rich have the priveledge to do as they wish
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pinkerbelle
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current89
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I'm going to be the unapologetic realist. While I agree that the populous of the United States of America is sickeningly apathetic and politically ignorant. I'd argue that is the very problem, not the politicians. A republic is only as good as it's people.
I'll address your questions and some of your statements in which I will disagree with some of them.
"The bailouts go to the businesses (not to the people who are living in tent cities in the USA)"
I'm no fan of bailing out business' but it's a necessity, millions of people would have lost their jobs, their insurance policies, etc if we hadn't bailed out AIG. Furthermore, giving "the people" free money will only de-value the American dollar more. I'm no expert in economics but I understand that much.
"this war in Iraq is still going on (I can;t help but ask WHY?!),"
It's practically impossible to withdraw all of our troops within a few weeks, or even a few months, it's a massive effort, and it would be unfair to the Iraqi government. According to the binding status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government we will have withdrawn all of our troops by 2012. Troop withdraws have already begun or will begin in May, I'm not quite sure which.
"Obama says that the time for change is now, why isn't anyone doing anything?!"
Change is occurring slowly but surely. Progress doesn't happen overnight. Historically it's a long, painful process. Examples, African American rights in the United States, womens' rights, homosexuals rights etc. It called gradualism.
Examples of change;
I. Climate Change: The EPA has declared greenhouse gases as a health hazard and if Congress dosen't act will implement it's own cap and trade system, the former admin didn't even recognize climate change as an issue.
II. Health Care: According to the New York Times the Democratic party has agreed to push for a two-tiered health care system much like the United Kingdom's system. Proposed bills will be introduced and voted on by the end of July.
III. Regulations: Timothy Geithner, the Treasury Secretary, has proposed the strictest guidelines and regulations in decades, it's not enough in my opinion but it is progress nonetheless.
IV. Transportation: As you already know a massive public works project has been proposed and will be implemented. We'll finally have some semblance of a mass public transit system.
"Why do we no longer care about the inequality that we live in?"
I think people care, at least some do, but inequality is a fact of life (that doesn't mean I don't support a lessening in the quality of life gap between the well off and the poor).
I think the real problem comes down to the binary-mentalities(right-wrong, with me or against me), the sickening apathy(people like to talk a good game but acting on it would require actual willpower) and the general ignorance of the American populous when in regards to the complexity of politics. Education, imo, is the solution, but parents run around complaining about everything from evolution to the lack of school prayer which stifles the system.
Overall, I wished there was a larger outcry for more service to ones community and more involvement in politics. So we'll all do our part to make the country and the world a better place. That's about all we can do.
Hope I didn't offend anybody, but if I did it was not intentional. BTW I'm featuring this in the US politics section.
http://current.com/topics/32978403_us-politics/
Wow, i didn't realize how huge my post was.
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current89
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pinkerbelle
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current89:
interesting analysis...especially the part about the slow process needed for change to happen. I think that perhaps the citizens of the US have the power to speed up the process by pushing their government and by putting pressure on them. People have become very apathetic...
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pinkerbelle
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Charliegrl
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Never fully trust your government.... always question.. it's the only Patriotic thing to do.
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Charliegrl
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WhiteNoise
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Choosing the IMF for the job is soooo wrong... or right depending of where you're coming from ;)
Greg Palast's debriefing of World Bank's former Chief Economist and a Nobel prize winner in economics Joseph Stiglitz should be an eye opener as well as an anthology piece for anybody even slightly interested in world economy......
The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold
http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/...& as it applies to the US of A...
THIRD WORLD AMERICA !
http://current.com/items/89833556_third-world-america.htmWe live in a world where our choices are meaningless because they are all based on the false propaganda of the "elite" few and we accept it because we're not permitted even to glimpse any other possibility. Nor are most of us inclined to abandon the comfortable "matrix" of the illusion.
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WhiteNoise
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Highr0ller [removed]
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Wow. I so agree with you all, and with Gore Vidal.
Here's another one.
The Tower of Basel: Secretive Plans for the Issuing of a Global Currency
Do we really want the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) issuing our global currencyBy Ellen Brown
URL of this article:
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13239
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In an April 7 article in The London Telegraph titled “The G20 Moves the World a Step Closer to a Global Currency,” Ambrose Evans-Pritchard wrote:
“A single clause in Point 19 of the communiqué issued by the G20 leaders amounts to revolution in the global financial order.“We have agreed to support a general SDR allocation which will inject $250bn (£170bn) into the world economy and increase global liquidity,’ it said. SDRs are Special Drawing Rights, a synthetic paper currency issued by the International Monetary Fund that has lain dormant for half a century.
“In effect, the G20 leaders have activated the IMF’s power to create money and begin global ‘quantitative easing’. In doing so, they are putting a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body. Conspiracy theorists will love it.”
Indeed they will. The article is subtitled, “The world is a step closer to a global currency, backed by a global central bank, running monetary policy for all humanity.” Which naturally raises the question, who or what will serve as this global central bank, cloaked with the power to issue the global currency and police monetary policy for all humanity? When the world’s central bankers met in Washington last September, they discussed what body might be in a position to serve in that awesome and fearful role. A former governor of the Bank of England stated:
“[T]he answer might already be staring us in the face, in the form of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS).... The IMF tends to couch its warnings about economic problems in very diplomatic language, but the BIS is more independent and much better placed to deal with this if it i.................... - 3 years ago
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ClipsFC
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Many people lost trust and faith in governments. Its hard to tell people that are hungry and homeless to trust their government.
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pinkerbelle
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ClipsFC:
do you trust your government now? do you think the ppl on the streets trust the government?
In toronto, we have a homeless problem who refuse to stay in the homeless shelters set up by the government for them....i have no idea why that is but maybe it has something to do with the lack of trust in government institutions
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pinkerbelle
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WhiteNoise
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"The plutocrats believe there are some things worse than war: the confiscation of special privileges; the abolition of unearned income; the overthrow of the economic parasitism; the establishment of industrial democracy. The plutocrats would welcome a war that promised salvation from any such calamities; they would also welcome a war that promised greater foreign markets, the destruction of foreign competition, more security for property rights and a longer lease on life for plutocratic despotism." - Scott Nearing — 1917
Our whole culture is organized around wealthy people who keep poor people poor, uneducated, and powerless.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." -George Orwell
Does democracy even exists anywhere. Are we totally ignorant of the reality of Machiavellian control by the elite or are we sycophants hoping to cash in by pretending to hold out hope for the masses to prevent an uprising ?
OR, maybe we are attempting to straddle the fence, in which case we will be shot from both sides come the revolution ;)
"The essence of oligarchical rule is not father-to-son inheritance, but the persistence of a certain world-view and a certain way of life ... A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors... Who wields power is not important, provided that the hierarchical structure remains always the same." - George Orwell, 1984
"For in every city these two opposite parties [people vs aristocracy] are to be found, arising from the desire of the populace to avoid oppression of the great, and the desire of the great to command and oppress the people....For when the nobility see that they are unable to resist the people, they unite in exalting one of their number and creating him prince, so as to be able to carry out their own designs under the shadow of his authority." (Machiavelli, The Prince, ch. IX)
"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind" - George Orwell
“Conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth.” – Gore Vidal
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WhiteNoise
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Two thumbs up pinkerbelle! Your analysis is right on target. Class is the battle ground. A redistribution of the wealth is required.
In that light.one can see the recent Tea Parties as manufactured descent in order to mystify and obfuscate the real issue: the inequity of class and corporate welfare.
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unimatrix0
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unimatrix0:
Unimatrix0
I know we have argued in the past, but honestly how will we ever overcome the class issues if we have not way to defend ourselves. The governments are often corrupted by the wealthy. I'm not a Reb or Dem, but if those wealthy ever persuade the officials to take my rights away wouldn't you want to have something on your side to protect yourself from the boot of a police officer or the rifle of a para military group? I know this had little to do with this post but I agree with you on these class issues.
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evoleon
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unimatrix0:
Guns will not help against the police or the army. If it comes to that i am already chillin in Canada.
The revolution must be peaceful. Guns only give the Feds reason to be nervous.
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unimatrix0
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unimatrix0:
Do you want to redistribute wealth? Then I'll send you my address and you can send me a check, because I really need the cash.
Let me know if that's a good idea for you, ok?Oh....are you talking about OTHER people's wealth?? You want to redistribute THAT money, not your own, right?
Sorry, my mistake. - 3 years ago
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unimatrix0:
wuts wrong with the redistribution of wealth? are you ok with a few people who have more money than you or i could make in a lifetime?!?!?!?! Agreed, you wouldn't like it if someone took your money to redistribute but think of it this way: a) that's exactly what the US government is doing with the bailouts since it's your tax dolllars that are going into the pockets of the people who are already rich!! or b) the money that companies like wal-mart make are made through methods that are easily deemed as unethical, coercive, racist/sexist, etc...Marx says that all profit made in the capitalist system is done through violence, coersion and force.
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pinkerbelle
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unimatrix0:
I'm fine with the fact that some people have billions of dollars. I'm not a jealous person. But I am a very protective person, so everyone can keep their own money and keep their hands off of MINE.
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unimatrix0:
...share, after all... "sharing is caring"
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pinkerbelle
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Pinkerbelle; I too have wondered why and I think that it is because government has become so big that the people know that it would prove fatal and futile. It would be like the palestinians fighting with sticks and stones against israel who is loaded with the latest in high tech killing machines. Perhaps one day the states will mobilize to take back the country from the high tech bankers and think tanks who are leading us into the far corners of the earth like Eurasia. There are some good articles on REAL NEWS that can help explain where we are headed for.
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Ragan:
I get that you see fighting the government as futile, but don't you think that if there was a collective consciousness about radical change, that we would definitely outnumber the amount of government officials (IE police, marines, army etc...). It still seems hopeless since these people have weapons and we dont, but i think it most likely will be successful :S
the government would never kill us and they can only kill so many before it sparks more rebellion from the citizens and the rest of the world, as it did during 68 when people worldwide were protesting the vietnam war...
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pinkerbelle
