Can gay marriage save the GOP?

with all due resect you may listen to youre goverment but they are only men..we as christians live by GODS WORD ...WE DO NOT IDOLIZE PEOPLE OR THINGS ? GOD IS A JEALOUSE GOD AND HIS PEOPLE LIVE FOR HIM NOT THE WORLD ,NOT THE WORLDLEY GOODS ..GOD IS THE ONLY WAY THAT IS RIGHT AND THAT WILL GET YOU TO HEAVEN

For a good look into the attitudes held by the people who are one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful element, of the GOP right now, it would be informative to look at Inofuiwell's Current posting of the National Organization for Marriage's anti-gay video.

http://current.com/items/89957714_a-rainbow-coalition-of-people-everywhere-are-c...

One of the best responses to that nauseous piece by NOM is one that I found on YouTube and posted on Current.

http://current.com/items/89988453_youtube-takes-some-of-the-wind-out-of-anti-gay...

Gay marriage and full gay rights will ultimately benefit the Republican party by removing the whole topic from politics. There won't be any battles left to fight. It will be like the civil rights victories in the 1960's.

No-one in either party today is advocating taking away someone's right to vote due to his race or saying that an individual cannot marry someone of another race. The same thing will eventually happen in both parties when full gay rights are established in this country.

This will allow the political discussion to move into other areas that are actually important. Republicans will then have the opportunity to develop real policies that will benefit the country and offer them to the public. Instead of just focusing on campaigns of fear and hatred, they can focus on winning back voters with genuine solutions to problems.

So, in the end this will be liberating for Republican politicians and will certainly benefit the few moderates who are left in the party. If they are strengthened, ordinary voters might start voting Republican again.

Cindy you are ok in my book:)

And for the rest of you...all I can say is that I think insanity is rampant...

Maybe it's the excess estrogen like chemicals in our water?

No. It would not help at all, it could actually hurt. A reason why would be because it would not align with what the Republicans stand for.

There's gonna be a third party emerging soon. It cant go on like this much longer. The old politics are becoming exinct, and they are fighting it, and it is funny.

well it would probably split the republicans back to where they were in the 90's. In '92 and '96, fiscal conservatives and social conservatives often clashed at rallies as the fiscals didn't have the insane reactionary values. As you could see, the social conservatives became the face of the party.
If Obama's plans don't work they way people want them to, and the evangelicals no longer have control over the Republican party, then I see it making a comeback.

"There is No Political Solution"

http://theblog.christogenea.org/

"Rather than trying to somehow take back the corrupted system of government, Christians are explicitly told to separate themselves from the corrupt society. Here that is evident from both the writings of Paul, and the Revelation of Yahshua Christ:

And what agreement has a temple of Yahweh with idols? For you are a temple of the living Yahweh; just as Yahweh has said, ‘I will dwell among them, and I will walk about; and I will be their God, and they will be my people.’ On which account ‘Come out from the midst of them and be separated,’ says the Prince, and ‘do not be joined to the impure, and I will admit you’.” (2 Corinthians 6:16-17, CNT)
“And I heard another voice from out of heaven, saying: “You come out from her, My people, that you should not partake in her errors, and that you would not receive from of her wounds, because her errors have built up as far as heaven and Yahweh has called to mind her injustices!” (Rev. 18:4-5, CNT)"

this is a story off of the 700 club i think all ya need to go to the site and read up

About five years ago, I came out to the rest of the world as a lesbian. I am in a committed relationship with another woman. I don't understand why you say that homosexuality is wrong. Isn't my happiness the most important thing? Isn't that what God wants? I think that is what matters, not telling people what is right and wrong.

I didn't write the Bible. I really didn't. The Bible was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by wonderful men like the Apostle Paul, like Moses, people like that, very highly respected people, and right down the line, they said that homosexuality is an abomination to God. The Apostle Paul said that nobody who is a homosexual is going to get into heaven. That doesn't mean you have a tendency. It didn't say nobody with homosexual tendencies is going to miss getting into heaven.

People who are practicing homosexuals or lesbians, this is an unnatural relationship. There is no way in a "committed lesbian relationship" that you are going to conceive a baby. If two lesbians conceive a baby without the help of something else, I will admit on this program that I am wrong. But they haven't done it so far; nor have two homosexuals. It is unnatural.

Now, you say 'Doesn't God want me to be happy?' Well, this may be happiness for you now, but what is going to happen is when you die, you are going to hell (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). I don't want to overstate it, but that is what the Bible says: You shall not enter the kingdom of heaven, you shall not go to spend an eternity with God, and you will spend an eternity away from Him. God loves you, but He says that you cannot do something He says is an abomination and is wrong. It is just that simple. He made sex to be enjoyed, but he made it in the confines of marriage between heterosexual people, partially for the propagation of the race and the nurture and the admonition of the young. That's what it is there for.

God is not there to make us happy. Sure it is a misconception. God is there to show us what is right. What He says to do will make us happy. If we follow His principles about finance, about sex, about marriage, about love, about commitment, about all the other good things that He says, if we keep His commandments, we will be happy. It will bring us happiness. But happiness is never going to come if we do something that is sinful because He will not give you the witness of the Holy Spirit in your heart that you are doing something right. You won't have it. You won't know the overwhelming joy. The Apostle Peter talked about 'joy unspeakable and full of glory' (1 Peter 1:8). That comes about through fulfilling the plan of God and having the power of the Holy Spirit moving in your life and knowing when you die that you are going to heaven.

i do not watch those stupid shows like that !! its all drama and childish why what doesthat hav to do with anything

cindydupree ahve you ever watched wifeswap?

http://www.tvgasm.com/images/tradingspouses/season2/insanemargaret1/TradingSpous...

you say you are overjoyed that such a law has been passed...i do pray for your souls because this is an ABOINATION !! TO GOD!! so it seem you do not care if you burn in hell for eternity for your sins that you are not willing to repent of....

the gop like many other out dated and segregated parts of society must restructure itself or be dissolved.

But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
each scripture is man and women !!!not any other

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Shame that you had to butcher a valid story with sensationalism head lines and completely stupid graphics.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

HAHAHAHAAA! the freaking rethugs behind the good side of a civil rights issue?!? lol. i'll believe it when i see it. you're joking, right? yes, maybe, if just so corporate CEOs can marry each other and F*ck us even more.

Without social wedge issues, what more have Republicans got?

If anything, it will tear it up even more. The party will be divided between progressive Republicans who want to support it and ultra-conservatives who will be against it...

All the right-wing wackos will go to the Constitution Party. Although, most of the people in either party are sheeple and will copy their ideology from the party platform.

The only good thing I thought that could come out of the '08 election was the possibility that one of the two major political parties would fracture and die. Take your pick, right or left. It doesn't matter to me. Both timidly stand by ambiguous moral and philosophical arguments that are quickly abandoned when the opportunity calls for it. Take civil rights and marriage equality for example. I don't see the Democrats rushing to champion those ideals. If so they wouldn't have elected Obama and Biden on the democratic ticket.

if the republicans ditch the the anti-gay stuff, the perverse remnants of the religious right will coalesce into a pulsating mass of regurgitated bigotry lead by the bastard child of a Sarah Palin, Glen beck, Limbaugh three way, who will establish the christian party of America at the back of an abandoned strip mall in hazard, Kentucky.

at least that's what i hope happens.

Short answer? No.

If the GOP COMPLETELY abandons its social conservative bullshit and essentially becomes the Libertarian party, then I -MIGHT- give it some respect.

But they'd have to ditch their base to do that, who are busy sucking on the toes of Neo-con fucktards like Rush Limbaugh.

There's a split coming, a big one, if Republicans actually go through with this. Because their base wants to go FURTHER right.

it looks so natural - like real love....:)

love the pic ahahahahahahaahahahahah

holyshiite I will explain it to you. It has to be marriage because of all the disparaged groups ever throughout history and by most religions in the world, homosexuals have been vilified, reviled, disparaged, insulted, persecuted, murdered, smeared, legislated against, and tortured. That is why it has to be marriage. It has to be in the most holy of places because of the unholy war that has been waged and millions who have already passed. It can't be separate but equal and call it Civil Unions. That is why.

Civil Union or Marriage? Which is it? Is it not enough to have support for all the trimmings of marriage, like health insurance, survivors' benefit, estate transfers, unlimited gift exemptions, spousal IRA rules, etc. That is already in the law and avaiable in many states. Most Republicans would not oppose seeing it in their state as well.

But that is not enough. Calling it anything but marriage is somehow inequality and must be fought for to the death by your stupid leaders. Marriage IS a religious sacrement. It is also a civil contract between a man and a woman. Call gay "marriage" something else and you will get your way. Is it not enough to win? Do you really have to turn the knife on these people? If you want to fight for that childish reason, you will have a fight. A big one.

I hope they become irrelevant .

"If you put public policy issues to a religious test, you risk becoming a religious party"

Very well said I must say, closely resembling Thomas Jefferson.

On the other hand the GOP is busy worshipping Sarah Palin and the like. So, no, probably won't happen.

The Repugnicans have been defeated and routed more than once in my life, and they have been able to revive, survive, and reduce the middle class every time they regroup.

Expect that they will come back. Sigh.

No, nothing can at this point.