Parents Sentenced to 30 yrs In 2 yr old Son's Starvation Death
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John and Susan Griffin were charged with first-degree murder in the death of their 2-year-old son, Andrew, who weighed only 13 pounds when he died on the way to a hospital in December 2007. Each parent will also have two years of probation after they get out of prison.
The judge merged charges of first-degree child abuse and second-degree murder for the sentence. He gave both parents the maximum penalty.
"Every inch of (Andrew's) body was covered in an injury, and he was starved to the point that at three years, he was in the fifth percentile for his age and weight," said prosecutor Robin Coffin.
At the sentencing, the couple's attorneys both presented evidence of psychological problems. Susan Griffin's lawyer said she has a history of bipolar disorder and self-medicating. A psychologist said John Griffin suffered from depression and couldn't deal with emotion.
Both attorneys said the parents were under extreme stress at the time of Andrew's death.
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It shows what a sickness religion can be at times.
The psychological weakness that has been played into cults for centuries.
Death penalty: There is a time for all things. -Times for mercy, etc. Sometimes, the cycle comes around where society must clean house.
Make a big, clear, sustained point. Shape the general plan, the way-path.
You know, till it up.
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gh8643
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Sorry, I don't agree. They starved that child to death, abuse this child. That's murder and it is 1st degree since it took place over 2 years. That is a capital offense and as such they should both receive the death penalty. Organ donations are cool so they can contribute to something worthwhile in their otherwise worthless lives.
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gh8643
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ClipsFC
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gh8643:
It is hard to keep emotions in check in cases like this. Makes you want to reach through the monitor and grab those parents lol. But we have to place trust in the Justice System and Courts to do the right thing here.
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ClipsFC
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SwedesRus
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I think they will get enough punishment in Jail. Both of them. Inmates do not like to bunk with or socialize with child abusers. They also tend to get beat up on since they are considered the lowest of scums on the cell block.
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SwedesRus
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No, take their organs. Only you can snip their vocal chords and let them watch the procedure with a mirror.
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numinant
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I don't understand the purpose of everyone suddenly feeling high and mighty and condemning absolute strangers who were obviously mentally disturbed. Nobody likes infanticide, but where is the evil? People seem to be under the impression that people choose to be dangerous lunatics of their own free will.
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numinant
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numinant:
"Nobody likes infanticide, but where is the evil?"
What? Did you even read that after you typed it? Holy shit, they starved a baby! They were allowed to breed...more than once!
Spay & neuter!!!
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Elrick_The_Bass_Gnome
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numinant
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numinant:
Okay, there was evil in the act, sure, but my point is that evil as some kind of intrinsic quality is a fallacy. Evil is conditional, and people should be outraged with the conditions more than anything.
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numinant
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I think execution as a whole is wrong. Death might not be quite as bad as completely losings one's shit in 24/7 isolation lockdown for the remainder of one's life....but we do currently execute people in this country. To not find a way to save viable organs is a slap in the face to people who are dying to have them...no pun intended.
And I like the idea of a parenting test. And re-testing existing parents every 5 years or so. There are some god-awful parents in this world. If only it could be done...
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tootersmoocher
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how will that solve anything. and jesus, you organ harvesting people are freaking scary. maybe execution as a whole is wrong....
remove their reproductive organs and put them on the adoption blacklist.
now we have to pay for them because anyone is allowed to have a kid regardless of how fucked up they might.
maybe a parenting test is in order, it'd solve a lot of this shit.
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jh64487
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jh64487:
How will what solve anything? Can you be more specific?
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Elrick_The_Bass_Gnome
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If these people are being allowed to live, shouldn't we at least sterilize them?
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ClipsFC
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Elrick_The_Bass_Gnome:
I personally agree but this country babies offenders so chances of that happening are nill. It would prevent future crimes by the same people who should probably never had a child to begin with.
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ClipsFC
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ClipsFC
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Interesting thought on the donations. But isn't that the same thing as execution then? If that is the case then we could do that will all inmates that are scheduled to be executed to donate organs to those in need in that State? Just a question in response to the post above.
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ClipsFC
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JSmith44
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Man i agree. Make them donate organs to help other people in need. Whew that blows my mind. 30 years would cost the tax payers roughly 2.5 mil to house those two in Jail.
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NJDaryl
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They should have gotten more time in jail
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NJDaryl
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No execution, you just harvest their organs, the end.
Film it for med school. - 2 years ago
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This was an interesting comment on the actual story page:
"People like this can only serve one purpose on this planet...send them straight to the nearest hospital, have them donate all of their blood, and usable organs. Then - they will have served a purpose, and we - the tax payers - no longer have a financial burden to bare."
It does offer pause for discussion. If we as humans can find no ethical harm in the execution of another living being, what ethical harm could come from harvesting their body parts to benefit society? What would be an "ethical" form of execution that would keep vital organs and blood intact and biologically functional, free of poisons. A bullet? A noose? Are these methods any more barbaric than strapping someone tightly to a table and injecting chemicals into their bloodstream?....which is an on-gong form of execution that is questionable for working in opposite affect and possibly causing excruciating pain upon cardiac failure.
Although graphic by nature, I find this hypothetical situation intriguing. Why shouldn't society benefit from executions?
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tootersmoocher
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tootersmoocher:
Thats a huge mind blow. Thanks! Gotta chew on that for a bit. I will get back.
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tootersmoocher:
Very Interesting concept. How would we justify that as in lieu of execution though? Or do you mean a partial organ donation so they can still continue to live in prison?
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ClipsFC
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tootersmoocher:
I meant something along the lines of a complete harvesting of all vital organs upon execution. I personally don't quite know where I stand on execution in general. I think a more fitting punishment for hardcore offenders would be 24/7 isolation in a 10x10 jail cell. Let the inner workings of the human mind punish these people themselves after years and years of isolation with no human contact. But then again, that takes buttloads of money from taxpayers, and in these economical times...
In Japan, capital punishment is carried out by hanging. You hang a cat until he goes, and I am pretty sure his kidneys and heart will be viable....not so much so after lethal injection. I have heard in different states how inmates can sometimes choose an alternate form of execution. I believe if executions are going to happen anyway, we should carry them out in a way that allows organs to be harvested afterward. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I have read somewhere that the much needed organs of executed criminals are not allowed to enter into the circle of organ donation....for reasons besides the obvious that current execution standards make organs useless for transplantation.
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tootersmoocher
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tootersmoocher:
Great response totter.
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SwedesRus
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ClipsFC
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uhhu I get the point! It's so hard not to get crazy mad when you see cases like this. A 2 year old being starved and abused. I really can't even watch that Video again. It made me physically ill. I often wish our laws would be different in this country. Eye for an Eye would be appropriate in this and many other cases. Thought, I will say this, as if it's any consolation. Child abusers tend to do badly in jails. So maybe that is a greater punishment than what the court intended.
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ClipsFC
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iamfree
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ClipsFC:
no, eye for a eye is never the way to go...when you're talking about killing.No Human should Kill another Human.If we just kill off the person who started the Killing then we prove ourselves no better by acting off of our lower instincts...Now i'm all for a little torture to blow off the steam...but to kill another is just not Right.
namaste
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iamfree
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ClipsFC:
Ok, I get that. How do you feel about the theory that somebody posted about those that are sentenced to life + could give organs to people that need as punishment? Maybe not all organs as to kill them but some vital organs they can live without. (kidney etc)
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ClipsFC
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eldamon
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They need to to 15 years in jail and 15 more under the jail.
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eldamon
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Freaked2Much
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30 years enough, depends on who you talk to. I know some people that would just love to get 3 minutes alone with the two of them to give them a taste of the pain this poor kid had to endure.
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Freaked2Much:
It would take me a lot longer than 3 minutes! Give me a week or two and no matter what happens, don't open the door!
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Freaked2Much:
I completely agree. I wonder if they'll get fed in prison...too bad their child didn't.
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Freaked2Much:
Yeah, when I hear of any of these killings - that guy they caught after a female jogger went missing. He wouldn't say where she was.
It'd take 30 seconds and a pair of pliers.
We have an auto-coddle that immediately descends from the media. O-o-h, we don't want to do anything that feeels bad.
As rough as it may sound, a little rough justice when it comes to kid-killers and perverts would translate to less of it.
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I did not put the video up - it was just to gruesome. What gets me sick is the fathers comment about wanting to go back home because of his *Other children* ugh. I hope Child Protective is involved. But since they are going away for 30 I am sure those children have to be cared for by some other relatives. Scary stuff.
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ClipsFC
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I guess 30 years is long enough. The whole thing is sick and wrong. What a tragedy.
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unimatrix0:
Long enough?? That's nowhere NEAR long enough. They STARVED a child to DEATH. They should be locked in a room and left with no food until the flesh rots off their bodies!!!
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unimatrix0:
hmmph...eye for a eye doesnt work...30 years is a very long time...which gives them the opportunity to reflect and learn from what they did.This is however a very tragic case and hopefully they get their ass kicked in prison more than just a few times!
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iamfree
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ClipsFC
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The Father John Griffin spoke at the sentencing, saying he's still in shock from Andrew's death. He asked for mercy to be able to see his other children, but the judge said no. He said stress was no excuse and that Andrew's death had no excuse.
The judge said Susan Griffin was the primary abuser but that they were both equally to blame.
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