Jesus Christ High Roller.

Were you born this dumb or did you have to study?

I have hesitated before entering the various threads which pitch supporters of Israel against non-supporters. The reason for my hesitation is that these “discussions” are achieving nothing. They do not lead to further understanding of the situation since it appears that both sides are entrenched and are only interested in rebutting what the other has posted. However, those who think that they understand the Israeli-Palestinian question are not properly informed.

I do not claim to understand the issues either despite a lifetime of reading about this tragedy. Every time there is a an attempt to move things forward it is found that things were more complex than was thought and so it goes on; more killing, more suffering, more hatred, more lives blighted for ever. Both sides are so filled with the memories of injustices meted out against them that it appears that they cannot even see what peace would look like. And even if they can, they want to settle old scores first and seek revenge by more blood letting.

I abhor and condemn anti-Semitism, hatred of Arabs or any racism against any race; as should we all. All I ever want is peace between the two states now forced to occupy the same land. The State of Israel cannot be undone so there must be accommodation and compromise. Justice must be done and seen to be done for both sides and by both sides. And it can be achieved. It was achieved in Northern Ireland, in South Africa, in the Balkans and elsewhere. And in all these cases the solution was in talking not fighting.

It is easy to write this but desperately difficult to achieve but we can all start by dropping the volume and discuss rather than argue. Was the Israeli response to Hamas rockets proportionate? How can the Palestinians bring a common position to the negotiating table if they are fighting among themselves? Should the USA continue to support Israel regardless of the latter’s actions? Why is the rest of the Arab world so reticent to get involved? How can peace be achieved?

Shouting at each other across the ether is pointless and counter-productive. Let’s do our bit and try and do something positive for a change.

zionist is to jew as taliban is to muslim.

My Lord, what a disgusting post. I feel like I'm reading Nazi propaganda from the 1940's. This is vile and completely anti-semitic and needs to be removed from Current because it is racist and obscene.

Volume of post is a not an indicator of truthfullness. But rather just the opposite. Experienced and mature men and women understand that the most voluminous speakers are attempting to cloud the truth with rehetoric. Thus, the filibusters in U.S. politics and Cicero and friends in Rome. It is obivious that truth is not an issue on this site. We don't need a history lesson that is biased toward one cause. Truth is better served by honesty.

Highr0ller, thanks for the schooling . Very interesting read .

"Israel Killing Again" ....are you serious? Was this the writing of a ten year old? How totally immature.
Quick, someone give this kid a balloon or some candy to relax him.
Also, is there a tutor who is willing to donate some time to teach a "grown man" some English language skills?

OMG High Roller do you ever stop tooting your own horrible shrill horn?????

In response to the post above:

Palestine has no army.

Palestinians have not got the basic necessities in life (enough food, enough medicine, enough water) never mind weapons. Held behind a WALL built by ISRAEL they are jailed effectively.

Aid agencies are not allowed to deliver food or medicine.

Get Real.

Who are you trying to hoodwink.

Israel is a TERRORIST and a BULLY.

Arrogance goes with the nature of the people.

Were Jews hated in Europe in 1948?
Why?

Let's give this news article it's proper title... "Israel Retaliates Again."
If all Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow. If all Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be total destruction of Israel tonight.
The world knows it and all the propaganda and fake terrorist rhetoric and all the zionism bashing is all grown out of hate that certainly did not begin with Israel in 1948 and definitely did not begin in 1967, but began when decided to tell his followers that god told him that they should hate and kill Jews. That began not in 1948 but in the year 502.

AKAMAIL SAID:

'~Your vitriol against the Jews (God's chosen as according to scripture) appears to display the lie that you are in fact a Christian.
~Your topics and comments are always Hamas/Palistine propaganda.
~To many clearly you have shown who you really are, a continuous relentless persecutor of Jews.''

RESPONSE:

i am proud to be iRISH.

i am Catholic. I am a good Christian and embrace all God's people, regardless of religion, class or race................be they living by the commandments of God.

MY ISSUES WITH iSRAEL are:

I believe Israel has committed Genocide many times........in Gaza lately, and in Lebanon, and in Hebron, in West Bank of Palestine.....(Fact)

I believe Israel is a rogue state.(Fact)

I believe Israel will murder innocent civilians again soon.(Fact)

I believe Israel likes to kill Palestinian children and wear tee shirts with pictures of dead Palestinian children on them. (Fact)

I believe Israel is pushing America into war with Iran. (Fact)

I believe Israel is controlling the United States of America.................(Fact).....

Obama Aide Puts Israel's Nukes in the Diplomatic Mix
Analysis by Helena Cobban
That would end a 40-year period in which Washington colluded with Israel in maintaining the fiction that Israel's nuclear weapons capabilities were unknown, and anyway should never be openly discussed.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22576.htm

18 of the 30 comments are by Highr0ller, a Hamas apologist and a racist propaganda spammer against the Jews to the nth degree.

ethnic cleansing.... say it to many times and it sounds funny.

Thank you. They want to hide the TRUTH.

I want to expose their lies and deceit, and ethnic cleansing.

In Europe we ladies are not normally addressed by men with such language. Well, expect nothing but a grunt from a pig.

thats alot of good info highr0ller-excellent

highroller

you need to fuckin learn how to post.

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Many Americans have been brainwashed by the propaganda that Palestinians are terrorists who threaten innocent Israel. These Americans will see the censorship as merely part of the necessary war on terror. They will accept the demonization of fellow citizens who report unpalatable facts about Israel and agree that such people should be punished for aiding and abetting terrorists.
A massive push is underway to criminalize criticism of Israel. American university professors have fallen victim to the well organized attempt to eliminate all criticism of Israel. Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at a Catholic university because of the power of the Israel Lobby. Now the Israel Lobby is after University of California professor William Robinson. His crime: his course on global affairs included some reading assignments critical of Israel’s invasion of Gaza
The Israel Lobby apparently succeeded in convincing the Obama Justice (sic) Department that it is anti-semitic to accuse two Jewish AIPAC officials, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, of spying. The Israel Lobby succeeded in getting their trial delayed for four years, and now Attorney General Eric Holder has dropped charges. Yet, Larry Franklin, the DOD official accused of giving secret material to Rosen and Weissman, is serving 12 years and 7 months in prison.
The absurdity is extraordinary. The two Israeli agents are not guilty of receiving secrets, but the American official is guilty of giving secrets to them! If there is no spy in the story, how was Franklin convicted of giving secrets to a spy?
Criminalizing criticism of Israel destroys any hope of America having an independent foreign policy in the Middle East that serves American rather than Israeli interests. It eliminates any prospect of Americans escaping from their enculturation with Israeli propaganda.
To keep American minds captive, the Lobby is working to ban as anti-semitic any truth or disagreeable fact that pertains to Israel. It is permissible to criticize every other country in the world, but it is anti-semitic to criticize Israel, and anti-semitism will soon be a universal hate-crime in the Western world.
Most of Europe has already criminalized doubting the Holocaust. It is a crime even to confirm that it happened but to conclude that less than 6 million Jews were murdered.
With all that we have heard about the Holocaust, surely the facts must be there. Why does the Israel Lobby consider the case for the Holocaust to be so weak that it is impermissible to study the facts and to reach an independent conclusion?
Why is the Holocaust a subject that is off limits to examination? How could a case buttressed by hard facts possibly be endangered by kooks and anti-semites? Surely the case doesn’t need to be protected by thought control.
Imprisoning people for doubts is the antithesis of modernity.
Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington; Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.

It will be a crime to doubt the Holocaust.
It will become a crime to note the disproportionate representation of Jews in the media, finance, and foreign policy.
In other words, it means the end of free speech, free inquiry, and the First Amendment to the Constitution. Any facts or truths that cast aspersion upon Israel will simply be banned.
Given the hubris of the US government, which leads Washington to apply US law to every country and organization, what will happen to the International Red Cross, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, and the various human rights organizations that have demanded investigations of Israel’s military assault on Gaza’s civilian population? Will they all be arrested for the hate crime of “excessive” criticism of Israel?
This is a serious question.
A recent UN report, which is yet to be released in its entirety, blames Israel for the deaths and injuries that occurred within the United Nations premises in Gaza. The Israeli government has responded by charging that the UN report is “tendentious, patently biased,” which puts the UN report into the State Department’s category of excessive criticism and strong anti-Israel sentiment.
Israel is getting away with its blatant use of the American government to silence its critics despite the fact that the Israeli press and Israeli soldiers have exposed the Israeli atrocities in Gaza and the premeditated murder of women and children urged upon the Israeli invaders by rabbis. These acts are clearly war crimes.
It was the Israeli press that published the pictures of the Israeli soldiers’ T-shirts that indicate that the willful murder of women and children is now the culture of the Israeli army. The T-shirts are horrific expressions of barbarity. For example, one shows a pregnant Palestinian woman with a crosshairs over her stomach and the slogan, “One shot, and two kills.” These T-shirts are an indication that Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians is one of extermination.
It has been true for years that the most potent criticism of Israel’s mistreatment of the Palestinians comes from the Israeli press and Israeli peace groups. For example, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and Jeff Halper of ICAHD have shown a moral conscience that apparently does not exist in the Western democracies where Israel’s crimes are covered up and even praised.
Will the American hate crime bill be applied to Haaretz and Jeff Halper? Will American commentators who say nothing themselves but simply report what Haaretz and Halper have said be arrested for “spreading hatred of Israel, an anti-semitic act”?

WHERE IS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

A CRIME TO DOUBT THE HOLOCAUST?

I personally believe the Holocaust happened......but the figures of the dead are inflated i think.

am i no longer allowed to have an opinion on that?

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The Israel Palestine Question
by Ilan Pappe (Editor), Papp Illan, Illan Papp E.

From the Publisher
An explicitly revisionist collection that takes the ground away from pro-Israeli historians and suggests a far more nuanced view of the issue, The Israel/Palestine Question assimilates diverse interpretations of the origins of the Middle East conflict with emphasis on the fight for Palestine and its religious and political roots. Drawing largely on scholarly debates in Israel during the last two decades, which have become known as 'historical revisionism,' the collection presents the most recent developments in the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict and a critical reassessment of Israel's past. The volume commences with an overview of Palestinian history and the origins of modern Palestine, and includes essays on the early Zionist movement, the 1948 war, international influences on the conflict and the Intifada.
Booknews
Recent essays focus on the history of the Palestine Question at the heart of the Arab-Israel conflict. Only works that have challenged previous conceptions and paradigms in the historiographical enterprise are included. This new scholarship attempts to introduce an interdisciplinary methodology into the research as well as to inject a more skeptical view towards historical narratives written under the hand of nationalist elites and ideologies. Topics include Ottoman Palestine, Zionism and colonialism, and Palestinians in Israel. Annotation c. Book News, Inc., Portland, OR (booknew.com)

Exempting Israel from Criticism

By Paul Craig Roberts
On October 16, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Israel Lobby’s bill, the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. This legislation requires the US Department of State to monitor anti-semitism world wide.
To monitor anti-semitism, it has to be defined. What is the definition? Basically, as defined by the Israel Lobby and Abe Foxman, it boils down to any criticism of Israel or Jews.
Rahm Israel Emanuel hasn’t been mopping floors at the White House. As soon as he gets the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 passed, it will become a crime for any American to tell the truth about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and theft of their lands.
It will be a crime for Christians to acknowledge the New Testament’s account of Jews demanding the crucifixion of Jesus.
It will be a crime to report the extraordinary influence of the Israel Lobby on the White House and Congress, such as the AIPAC-written resolutions praising Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza that were endorsed by 100% of the US Senate and 99% of the House of Representatives, while the rest of the world condemned Israel for its barbarity.
It will be a crime to doubt the Holocaust.
By Paul Craig Roberts
On October 16, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Israel Lobby’s bill, the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. This legislation requires the US Department of State to monitor anti-semitism world wide.
To monitor anti-semitism, it has to be defined. What is the definition? Basically, as defined by the Israel Lobby and Abe Foxman, it boils down to any criticism of Israel or Jews.
Rahm Israel Emanuel hasn’t been mopping floors at the White House. As soon as he gets the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 passed, it will become a crime for any American to tell the truth about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and theft of their lands.
It will be a crime for Christians to acknowledge the New Testament’s account of Jews demanding the crucifixion of Jesus.
It will be a crime to report the extraordinary influence of the Israel Lobby on the White House and Congress, such as the AIPAC-written resolutions praising Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza that were endorsed by 100% of the US Senate and 99% of the House of Representatives, while the rest of the world condemned Israel for its barbarity.
It will be a crime to doubt the Holocaust.

so what do you think of the Max Hastings speech above....it is in todays GUARDIAN newspaper.

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The Israel Palestine Question
by Ilan Pappe (

Publisher: Routledge
Pub. Date: March 1999
ISBN-13: 9780415169486
278pp

From the Publisher
An explicitly revisionist collection that takes the ground away from pro-Israeli historians and suggests a far more nuanced view of the issue, The Israel/Palestine Question assimilates diverse interpretations of the origins of the Middle East conflict with emphasis on the fight for Palestine and its religious and political roots. Drawing largely on scholarly debates in Israel during the last two decades, which have become known as 'historical revisionism,' the collection presents the most recent developments in the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict and a critical reassessment of Israel's past. The volume commences with an overview of Palestinian history and the origins of modern Palestine, and includes essays on the early Zionist movement, the 1948 war, international influences on the conflict and the Intifada.
Booknews
Recent essays focus on the history of the Palestine Question at the heart of the Arab-Israel conflict. Only works that have challenged previous conceptions and paradigms in the historiographical enterprise are included. This new scholarship attempts to introduce an interdisciplinary methodology into the research as well as to inject a more skeptical view towards historical narratives written under the hand of nationalist elites and ideologies. Topics include Ottoman Palestine, Zionism and colonialism, and Palestinians in Israel. Annotation c. Book News, Inc., Portland, OR (booknew.com)

contd:

Israel has tested to destruction the utility of force in achieving its security. It is not enough to assert proudly that the Jewish state remains a democracy and haven of free speech in a region in which neither of these precious things is much in evidence, if that same democracy behaves in a fashion which denies mercy to the weak. For someone like me, who enjoyed a love affair with Israel 40 years ago, it is heart-breaking to see the story come to such a pass. It is because so many of us so much want to see Israel prosper in security and peace that we share a sense of tragedy that 61 years after the state was born amid such lofty ideals, it should be led by such a man as Bibi Netanyahu, committed to policies which can yield nothing honourable or lasting. Amoz Oz's 1979 prophesy to me has alas been fulfilled. It will be as great a misfortune for Israel as for the Palestinians, if its governments persist in their past delusions through the years ahead.

Extracted from one of the Leonard Stein lectures delivered by Max Hastings. The full text of the speech can be downloaded here

contd

The Holocaust argument is sometimes displaced by a more facile jibe: that those who criticise Israel are guilty of anti-semitism. I have been accused of this myself. Yet I take comfort from the number of Jews who express repugnance about Israel's excesses. Avi Shlaim has dissected the failures and deceits of modern Israeli policy far more convincingly than I could. Rabbi David Goldberg has described Israel's failure to create a plausible successor vision to that of the old Zionists. "Zionism's most important achievement," he says, "was to provide a haven for the escapees and survivors of Hitler's Holocaust." Today, by contrast, few western Jews want to live there. The Zionist claim, that the country is the natural home of Jews, is rejected by a majority of the world's 14 million Jews. Goldberg argues that "Zionists claim that only in their own land can Jews lead a full, 'normal' life without fear of anti-semitism. But the irony of Israel's geopolitical situation is that the average Jew walking the streets of Los Angeles, Golders Green or even Moscow is physically safer than the average Israeli walking in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv."

Many Jews no longer believe that the Zionist concept of entitlement, based first upon Biblical history, and latterly upon the Holocaust, suffices to justify perpetuating historic injustice upon the Arabs of Palestine. Benny Morris's excellent recent history of the events of 1948 shows that even a respected Israeli historian is today ready to acknowledge the scale of Israeli ethnic cleansing at the time, and of the deceits employed since to conceal what took place. The Israeli myth, that the Palestinians displaced in 1948 voluntarily abandoned their homes and property, is unsustainable in the face of such evidence.

An Israeli listening to all this might interrupt angrily: "But why do you say so little about Hamas and Hizbollah, rocketing and suicide-bombing innocent Israeli civilians?" Yes, indeed – such acts must always be condemned. But what of proportionality? In recent years, for every Israeli killed by terrorism, the Israeli security forces have killed 30, 40, 50 Palestinians – most of them civilians. Israel exacts a blood price from the innocent of a severity which only tyrannies have historically thought appropriate.

The entire thrust of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians in recent times has been to convey a crude message of overwhelming power, of Israel's ability to command, kill or destroy at will, without fear of sanctions. The Israeli army, which once exemplified much that was best about Israel, has today been corrupted by the long experience of suppressing insurgency. Morally, if not militarily, it is a shadow of the force which fought in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973.

contd:
The policies of modern Israel have created the certainty of new generations of neighbours committed to its undoing. The Palestinians' only influence rests upon the power of such weapons as they can obtain, and upon their destructive capacity to broadcast terrorism. Who can be surprised that the people of Gaza elected a Hamas government? No sane society engages an overwhelmingly militarily superior nation on the battlefield on terms which suit the possessor of power. There is no purpose in wasting rhetoric upon moral denunciations of terrorism or even suicide-bombing, especially so when Jewish terrorism played a substantial part in Israel's birth. The Palestinians, together with the Muslim world and many in the west, no longer believe that Israel will grant justice to their people by negotiation; they believe that only force might eventually drive the Israelis to make concessions.

Israel suffers the same frustration on a regional scale as that which afflicts the US globally: the difficulty – some of us would argue impossibility – of leveraging overwhelming military power to make its will prevail upon the Palestinians. The Palestinians are incapable of imposing their own will on the Israelis. But poverty, misery and impotence represent weapons of their own. These things cause Israel to be regarded by a large part of the world as an oppressor.

I often think that Israelis focus too much upon their past, not enough upon their future. In the days when I visited Israel regularly, dinner-table arguments about the nation's strategy became familiar. There would often come a moment when somebody would blurt out – justifying this or that aspect of Israeli policy: "But you've got to understand why we must do this – because of the Holocaust." For more than 60 years, the Holocaust card has been played again and again. Today in Europe, there is not the slightest danger that the unspeakable fate of the Jews in the 1940s will be forgotten. But many people, especially the young, no longer perceive the crimes of Hitler, however monstrous, as providing remotely adequate justification for – for instance – Israeli military excesses in Gaza and the appropriation of scarce water resources at Palestinian expense.

Continued:
Three years ago in Jerusalem, I met a very bright couple in their late 40s, who had emigrated from Russia a decade earlier. When we began to speak of the Palestinians, the husband said: "In my Russian village in 1920, there was trouble with guerrillas. Budenny's Cossacks came. They burnt the village from which the guerrillas came. The guerrillas returned twice more. The Cossacks burned two more villages. Then there was no more trouble with guerrillas." This was the culture from which these two highly-educated Israelis came. They asserted that the Budenny method was the only proper one by which to address Hamas, Hizbollah and Fatah. The policies of recent Israeli governments suggest that their view is widely shared.

Between the late 1970s and 1990s, I was one of those foreigners who progressively fell out of love with Israel. I became persuaded that the arrogance of its faith in its own military power had induced its people to go far beyond a belief in defending their own society, to support a polity committed to perpetuating a great historic injustice against the Palestinians. Whatever government is in power in Jerusalem, there is a belief that peace with the Muslim world is unattainable; and thus that Israel must resign itself to a future dependent on its military capability rather than on negotiation. Associated with this is a belief that Jewish colonisation of the West Bank is a price the Palestinians must expect to pay for their refusal to make peace.

The most extraordinary, indeed nihilistic aspect of Israeli military policy towards the Palestinians is that it has sought to punish terrorism by deliberately wrecking the economic base of Palestinian society. On its own terms, this has succeeded. Today the only thriving industries in Palestinian territory are human reproduction, terrorism, and the propagation of grievances. The conditions in Gaza are, to us, almost unimaginable. Few have work. Most live in breezeblock barracks. From one year to the next they see nothing that is beautiful except the sea and sky. Hatred for their oppressors has become the only functioning engine of their society. People who have nothing have nothing to lose.

Listening to Israelis such as himself speaking of the Palestinians 30 years ago, I began to understand what a more thoughtful young man than myself might have seen from the outset: the huge danger implicit in rooting a society's polity in its military prowess and powers of conquest.

When I said something of the kind to a politician of the Israeli right, he responded contemptuously: "You are a typical European. You loved Israel when it was a victim. Now you turn your face from us, because we have become too strong for your taste. We are no longer Jews on our knees, begging for pity." I had lunch one day in Jerusalem in 1979 with that brilliant Israeli novelist and peacenik Amoz Oz, who said something of the same kind, but from a different perspective: "People like you," he said to me, "are going to become very disappointed in Israel in the years ahead. You want it to behave like a European society. Instead, it is becoming a Middle Eastern society. I hope that it will not behave worse than other Middle Eastern societies. But you should not delude yourself that it is likely to behave much better." This seemed a profound observation. The generation of Israelis whom I met, and embraced, in the late 1960s and early 1970s were overwhelmingly formed by the diaspora from which they came. In the decades since, as they have died, their society has become dominated by those forged by different experiences – either of whole lifetimes in the fevered hothouse of Israel, or by immigration from Russia, whence so many newcomers have arrived in recent times.

CONT.
Jimmy's tentative note roused the first stirrings in my mind of ideas which evolved only slowly in the years which followed. Remember, I was still in my 20s. I had always loved soldiers. I was enthused by the romance of the battlefield. I possessed an excessive respect for military prowess.

Ironically, it was the experience of spending much more time with the Israeli army in the mid-1970s, in the course of researching a book, which caused me to begin to perceive the importance of what Cameron said. I glimpsed a darker side of Israel. I learned a lot about the ruthlessness of Israeli anti-terrorist operations. I spent many hours talking to thoughtful Israelis, who voiced their fears about the perils, the threatened corruption of their own society, which they perceived in the 1967 conquests. I also became dismayed by the naked imperialism displayed by Israel's rightwing zealots. One night at a dinner party in Jerusalem in 1977, I heard a young Israeli talking about the Arabs in terms which chilled my blood. "In the next war," he said, "we've got to get the Palestinians out of the West Bank for good."

To me, in my naivete, Israel's struggle had hitherto seemed that of a brilliant little people, who had suffered the most ghastly experience of the 20th century, struggling for survival amid a hostile Middle East still bent upon their destruction. Now, suddenly, I found myself meeting Israelis committed to the creation of a greater Israel embracing the West Bank, who were utterly heedless of the fate of its inhabitants. The Palestinians were perceived as losers, a mere incidental impediment to the fulfilment of Israel's historic territorial destiny. By a curious quirk, that young Israeli whom I heard enthuse about emptying the West Bank of Arabs was Binyamin Netanyahu, today his country's prime minister.

CONT.

In the years that followed, I gazed across the Suez Canal during the artillery bombardments of the 1970 war of attrition with Egypt. I was a correspondent there in October 1973, during the Yom Kippur war. It was an extraordinarily moving spectacle, to behold the people of Israel rallying to meet what they perceived as a threat to their national survival. One morning I stood on the Golan Heights and watched Israeli tanks duelling with the Syrians, amid pillars of smoke and flame. A few nights later I bivouacked in the Sinai passes, talking for hours under the stars to Israeli reservists about their hopes and fears. With a colleague from the Financial Times, having thinly disguised ourselves as Israeli soldiers, we made an illicit night crossing of the Suez canal, to report Ariel Sharon's stunning encirclement operation which trapped the Egyptian army on the east bank. In those days I loved those people, and boundlessly admired their achievement. I wrote in one of my less temperate dispatches, expressing faith in Israel as a bastion of western civilization in the Middle East: "These last three weeks, I am proud to have shared the Israelis' camp fires in Sinai. They are a very great people who three weeks ago came closer to destruction than blind Europe seems willing to recognise."

After I came home from the Yom Kippur war, I received a note from the renowned journalist, James Cameron. Jimmy, a longstanding Zionist, wrote warmly about my reporting. He said: "It is impossible to work in combat with the Israeli army without this response, if you have any sense of history and drama." But then he added: "I have sometimes wondered over the past few years whether this irresistible military mesmerism hasn't clouded for us some of the political falsities. I just don't know. I think I was marginally led up the garden in 1967."

Israel will need to rethink their bloody strategy

If they stopped trying to steal palestinian lands , perhaps they could quit needing to do even more horrible things to distract from the theft .

Oh geeee... Are the Israelis again trying to protect themselves?

Have you signed on with the mufti of Jerusalem, High? You'll recall this is the same fine fellow that broadcast from Germany during WWII.

Have the rockets stopped? Or were rockets fired the very next day after the current, cease fire?

Your prejudice is showing my friend.

Will Israel ever stop with their murderous way. No they won't. I truely wish Obama would do something to put a stop to Israel. They are nothing but bullies. and murderers.. Baby killers. 100 % losers

BRAVO GERMANY.

BRAVO DER SPIEGEL.

BRAVO SPAIN/

MORE of us Europeans need to stand up for human rights and put the GENOCIDE STATE out.
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==The Israel Palestine Question
by Ilan Pappe

Publisher: Routledge
Pub. Date: March 1999
ISBN-13: 9780415169486
278pp

From the Publisher
An explicitly revisionist collection that takes the ground away from pro-Israeli historians and suggests a far more nuanced view of the issue, The Israel/Palestine Question assimilates diverse interpretations of the origins of the Middle East conflict with emphasis on the fight for Palestine and its religious and political roots. Drawing largely on scholarly debates in Israel during the last two decades, which have become known as 'historical revisionism,' the collection presents the most recent developments in the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict and a critical reassessment of Israel's past. The volume commences with an overview of Palestinian history and the origins of modern Palestine, and includes essays on the early Zionist movement, the 1948 war, international influences on the conflict and the Intifada.
Booknews
Recent essays focus on the history of the Palestine Question at the heart of the Arab-Israel conflict. Only works that have challenged previous conceptions and paradigms in the historiographical enterprise are included. This new scholarship attempts to introduce an interdisciplinary methodology into the research as well as to inject a more skeptical view towards historical narratives written under the hand of nationalist elites and ideologies. Topics include Ottoman Palestine, Zionism and colonialism, and Palestinians in Israel. Annotation c. Book News, Inc., Portland, OR (booknew.com)

'Dear Mr. Lieberman, in General, You Are not Welcome Here':
Throughout his political career, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has rattled sabers in the Middle East. On Thursday, Germany's foreign minister is meeting with the ultranationalist. Here's the dressing down Frank-Walter Steinmeier should give him when the press isn't listening.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,623361,00.html

Gaza patients "forced" to help security services in exchange for Israeli medical treatment:
A report issued this week by Physicians for Human Rights-Israel indicates that the Shin Bet security services conduct a policy of forcing patients to provide information as a condition of being allowed to leave the Gaza Strip for medical care.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/short/338/may08_1/b1879?rss=1