Polygamists seek to block raid evidence

Um...they forced young girls to marry older men.

A great book is THE NINEENTH WIFE.

Tells about the Mormons.

She wasn't forced against her will to marry a man twice, maybe three times her age.

Mary wouldn't have fallen under child sex assault because she didn't have sex with anyone.

Mary's marriage would have been legal under roman law of course, just like slavery and a bunch of other things that aren't acceptable anymore

Doesn't sound like you're too big on human rights.

who? me?

No.

Polygamy is no longer involved with the church but mormons are a plague.

As if on cue!

Thanks for illustrating the anti-Mormon sentiment I just talked about!

If you're trying to defend them just fuck the fuck off fuck off, half my family is mormon, I know all about it.

I don't know where you grew up but in Idaho you are oppressed if you are not a member. You can't hold office, you can't build a structure taller than the temple, judges are overboard conservative. Even teachers and coaches were bias toward students and athletes. They preach bigotry and create an extremely smug persona.

In the 1960's they told my grandparents to choose between being democrats and mormon. My grandparents were smart and got the fuck away. I can't say the same for a lot of my family, who have fallen victim to the cult and their brainwashing techniques.

Feb. 2009 The Mormon church receives more than 5-8 billion dollars per year in tithing alone from US wards [congregations] based the on experiences of ward clerks and gives less than 1.3% in charitable aid.

Apr. 2009 Dallin Oaks, Mormon Apostle, tells members at the Easter Midwest conference, via satellite broadcast, that the church will not help them during these difficult economic times. Members who paid tithing all of their lives will find that the church will refuse to assist or, at best, grant minimal assistance with heavy guilt placed on the member for asking.

Sep. 2008 A Mormon High Priest has been threatened with excommunication for writing against an anti-gay amendment in California.

July 2008 A Mormon man was excommunicated for his calendar of shirtless male Mormon missionaries.

Prior to 1978, Blacks were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood.

Negroes that honestly seek the truth and desire to join the church can be baptized. However, why does the Church not confer the Priesthood on them?

-Response-

God revealed that Negroes still cannot receive the priesthood. For this reason the priesthood is not actively preached to the lineage of Cain. The prophets have told us to preach the gospel to those that have the right to the priesthood.

Wow! Thanks for your passionate replies!

In the future, try to understand that your voice is heard much more clearly when you communicate like an adult, and make an effort to hold back on the gratuitous profanity with someone you barely know. Good job with your second post - you did exactly that.

I just wrote a very long, detailed post in reply to both of yours, but when i clicked "submit," current gave me the dreaded error message and the whole thing got deleted. I'm too tired to attempt to recreate it now in full, but will try to do so tomorrow if I have some time. But the gist of it was this:

"Chill out, buddy. I'm not defending anyone here. Billions of people on this earth have suffered religious or political persecutions just like your grandparents did. Every organized religion takes advantage of it's own members at some point. Every organized religion has it's own built-in sexist or racist ideals that are challenged as the religion grows and it's members become more progressive. Every organized religion has persecuted it's own members at some point in time for challenging traditional teachings. Every organized religion has, at some point, done horrible, terrible things, and has asked its members to believe in silly, fantastical stories. I'm simply trying to illustrate the irony of those who choose to deride one organized religion while extolling the virtues of another... "

Calm yourself. Your family isn't the first to suffer religious persecution, and it won't be the last. We've all been there. Hopefully you can be open-minded enough to understand that there are some Mormons out there who might NOT be the horrific racist homophobes that you describe, who believe wholeheartedly that this religion makes a positive impact on their lives and the lives of those around them, and who are offended at the ignorant public's inability to separate LDS from FLDS since the horrors of the Yearning For Zion ranch became front page news.

I'm atheist and even I can see it is a cult, not an organized religion. The census bureau doesn't even consider it christianity.

I'm glad I'm not alone in the fight against hypocrisy. Mormons are not some homogenous group, nor are Muslims. Interesting how the same people who criticize Mormonism or Islam call for worldwide peace and tolerance. Bullshit.

Interesting how people don't criticize the punch and they end up dead. WORLD PEACE

Criticize the individual, not a whole group who might not even AGREE with said individual. There are liberal Mormons, and even gay Mormons.

...and dude, the mormons epitomize "some homogeneous group".

Thanks, Fallen Morgan. You always provide really intelligent input. Hypocrisy is definitely the issue we're talking about here. There's only one thing worse than apathy in my book, and that's hypocrisy.

There are no gay mormons by the church's definition, nor are there liberal, you're with them or against them.

Right.

And as Ahmadinejad said, there are no gay Iranians either...

Criticize the Mormon church then, not all Mormons. There are Catholics who disagree with doctrines dictated down by the Catholic Church, but they're still Catholics.

The morman church doesn't work that way. If you don't take it all then you don't take any. All members pay 10% of their income to the church, as a member. If you don't believe in any one thing they will not accept your tithing and you will be excommunicated for the littlest things.

I guess you just have to experience it. It's like they are all connected to a central brain. Those large families, you have to have 6 kids...hmm wonder why?

I understand what you are saying, and I do hate the religion. 3 of my best friends are extremely morman and my cousins and I do love them. This is all just poison to their brain.

The creepiest part of all to me is that they all think the whole US is morman, and carries those values. You can hold 10 million to 250 million right to their faces, and they think their way of life is dominant.

And I do hate all religion equally, this is a thread from a post about MORMONS

nothin to really contribute to this argument. just wanted to say that i find it funny that Top cant seem to spell "mormon" right, except when he copy/pastes it.

Good point, Pokin! If half my family were Mormon, I would instinctively spell it correctly...

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For those of you still paying attention to this thread, TopScruffy just went through all of his posts, and changed every single "Morman" to "Mormon." Can't blame him, actually. It's pretty a embarrassing typo to make over and over if you're claiming to know this religion from the inside out, as he has. I would have done the same thing.

For those still paying attention to this thread I posted a "?" to symbolize: Why does it matter? when I can change it? when it doesnt have relevance to my knowledge of the church? no mormons even use that word.

P.S. - Spelling mormon wrong is the only thing you can even say. It actually shows that I learned about them from my family BEING MORMON..and not from reading about it. You can't just make a documentary and think you know, I've lived it. Mormons deserve no respect. They don't even refer to themselves as "mormon", its always LDS...always. Chew on that dick.

A word of advice, if you are trying to become professionally respected with your films your next purchase should be Combustion. It looks like you shoot with the same camera parents film xmas with. That music video looks terrible.

What's funny too is I will be in Ithaca this July with an ex mormon. Would you like to continue this discussion over some tea?... which she drinks now she's left the cult.......hmm i mean church

Whoa! Thanks for your interest in my production company. Stalk much?

First, I'll address the statement about what you referred to as my "documentary," by asking you to look up the word "documentary" in the dictionary. If you were able to watch that short fiction film, and feel naively empowered enough to comment on the camera grain, then it's unbelievably ironic that you are unable to tell the difference between a documentary and a FICTION narrative (the "written by" credit might have given it away...). You'll forgive me if I take your "professional" filmmaking critiques with a grain of salt.

Regarding your insightful and charming comments about my good old trusty panasonic: I must not be as financially fortunate as you are. I am still saving up for the HD camera of my dreams, but I appreciate your ability to bring totally insignificant opinions about irrelevant, un-related subjects into this argument, just like children do. It shows me who I'm dealing with.

I am not even a remotely religious person, but in my personal code of morals and ethics, I don't take joy in insulting fellow artists for their lack of ability to afford expensive tools. Maybe if you had followed SOME religion in your life, ANY religion, you'd have acquired the desire to treat your fellow human beings with decency. Maybe not. I guess we'll never know!

I will be in NYC and Scotland for the majority of July, but thanks anyway for the lovely invitation. Honestly, I have no time or desire to meet you in Ithaca for tea. You don't seem like a nice person to have tea with. Why? Well, nice people don't use the phrase "Chew On That Dick" while sipping on their Earl Grey with lemon.

Yes, I'd be remiss if I didn't comment on the delightful turn of phrase that you introduced us to in your last post: "Chew on that dick." I've never heard anyone use that phrase before while trying to have an intellectual debate with an adult! You've introduced us all to a whole new level of ignorant vulgarity. You should be immensely proud of your self!

Best of luck to you, kiddo. Enjoy living your life as a mighty anti-mormon spokesperson. Spread the hate far and wide. Have a blast. But in the meantime, can you please find it in your mormon-hating heart to stop replying to my post and leave me alone already? It's getting old...

It has nothing to do with the camera, get combustion.

Sorry, I didn't watch the movie, just the music video. I bet they were pissed they paid you.

I followed the mormon religion.

I like chai.

I'm the nicest person you herda, I just know the ignorace and degradation that the mormons have had on my best of friends and family. It's a personal issue and I'm sorry if I offended you. You can go through my previous posts and see I'm not a name caller. My friends and family were as good as dead after they came back from their missions. I don't want to start re-stating my posts so I'll just leave it at this. I'll be in NYC as well if you want an interview from an ex-mormon who left the church after she left Utah and realized what society really is about. I'm technically not an ex-mormon cause I was never baptized, but I can still answer any questions as well.

Finally, fuck off.

Exactly the response I expected from you. Thank you for so deftly illustrating your character with such consistently charming, intelligent contributions to this discussion. Everyone knows that the most logical and mature way to prove your point about the Mormon religion is by throwing irrelevant personal attacks at the person you're arguing with.

In responding to your wish that I "fuck off," I will say this: Instead of telling you to fuck off in kind, I will let you know that I wish you the best of luck in this world. I have compassion for you, and pity the negative experiences you've had in your lifetime that have turned you into such an angry and belligerent person. May you find peace at some point, and stop feeling the need to act out childishly on the internet.

As for your invitation to meet you in person: I have known angry, belligerent men in the past, and had a stalker for almost 3 years that fit this description, so you'll forgive me once again when I tell you that I have literally no desire whatsoever to meet you face to face. Ultimately, I don't care about the Mormon religion enough to want to discuss it with you, or anyone, in person. I am not invested in this back-and-forth you want to continue with me. Again, the movie I made was FICTION. You may as well go pick a fight with Steven Spielberg over his depiction of aliens in "ET." It would be just as irrelevant and pointless as the debate you desperately wish to continue with me. At the end of the day, I have no desire to make a documentary about Mormons, so go bark up someone else's tree and tell them your stories.

Take care, little scruffy. Its been fun riling you up.

Don't flatter yourself.

I don't need to. By obsessively replying to all of my posts, you've flattered me plenty! Have a good life, kiddo.

Don't flatter yourself.