Biblical Quotes Said to Adorn Pentagon Reports

I apologize. That turned into a possibly self-serving rant.

God wills it

God wills what? Although your comment was probably humorous, I don't know what specifically it's referring to.

God wills it is the oldest call when the religious army goes and slaughters.

It was a humor tinged point,as you thought, saying that religions or political movements - movements of people are activated with the call.

ROTFL

Thanks man for backing me up!

If it's ok for religion to take over - the Islamists will show up and reproduce like rabbits.

They know how to take care of Christians. It'll go out with the whiteys and the KKK.

Current89 is not "the problem in this country" at all, indeed he is an example of the young, intelligent and freethinking generation that will soon be inheriting the government! Meanwhile, having a secular government is one thing, what the hell is an "atheist" one?

They hold hands over there.

It's something about the long stays in the desert.

well said unclecharlie

"When was the last time a bible verse killed someone?"

1 Chronicles 21
Deuteronomy 3
Joshua 6
Judges 21
2 Kings 10:18-27
Hosea 13:16
Psalms 137:9
etc.

"well said unclecharlie"

well said? not so much. calling everyone who disagrees with you a libbrul colledge atendee isn't even an argument. he basically just said i'm right because you went to college. does that sound like a good argument? not really. instead of "well said" you should just be honest and say "i agree."

"When was the last time a bible verse killed someone?"

It hasn't happened and that's not the point! The point is that the United States isn't allowed to integrate religious undertones (or in this case blatant quotes from a biblical tome) into official statements, laws, or reports. We shouldn't even have 'In God We Trust' on our dollar bill.

Yes, the majority of the US is Christian. Yes that means most people believe in a higher power. But the point remains that our government shouldn't be endorsing any religious stance as it defies the separation of church and state that was implemented into our nation by the men who founded it.

hmmmm didn't the abortion bomber use scripture to justify his actions....hmmm the crusades.....hmmmm didn't Timothy McVey use scripture to also justify his actions....hmmmm....

Hmmmm...didn't Martin Luther King, Jr. use scripture to justify his actions? Didn't St. Francis of Assissi use scripture to justify his actions? Hmmmm.....Didn't Mother Theresa of Calcutta use scripture to justify her actions? Hmmm.....

Are we sure the majority - really is Christian?

lol...what a stupid comment unclecharlie,

My statement was a response to your statement of, "So what? When was the last time a bible verse killed someone? "

your statement then shows how scripture can be used to justify...good actions??? How does that refute my implication (that scripture can be misused to justify bad actions)?

Well, cybex, I never meant to refute what you were implying. What you were implying was quite obvious. I'm only saying there are two sides to every issue. That's all. Now go read your Bible. ;)

I agree with your statement. My point is just like all non-believers are not satanists....not all christians are zealots. Just because Bush and his administration were vocal about their Christian beliefs does not mean they are zealots.

WordNet: zealot

Meaning #1: a fervent and even militant proponent of something

I don't remember any presidential addresses pushing Christianity. Do you?

To be a Satanist you must believe - no god - no satan.

The fact that Rummy covered his Intelligence reports with bible propaganda qualifies him as a zealot, a creep, and someone who fails to understand the separation of church and state.

unimatrix0-
um not believing in God or Satan makes you an Athiest, not a satanist..

Satanists actually believe in God and Satan and they choose Satanic practices to express their beliefs.

Thomas Jefferson noted that you should keep the state out of the church but you couldn't keep the church out of the state...what he meant by that was- in the country we live in, people will ultimately live by their religious convictions....as individuals and they have a right to do so...

Abe Lincoln? remember that quote about a kingdom against itself cannot stand? He was quoting the Bible.

You man house divided?

Stand back - are you saying you believe in devils - and minions? Gremlins?

Little weird things that gives children the willys?

Is that you?

I say, you might want to have a clear view before you go. It's like there is a scale of perception and understanding, 0 is you don't know nothin' - 100 is you see the truth of the whole of the Universe. God's view.

You have only so long to push the needle forward. If stopping at the first little story is satisfying, are you failing the power of your own potential - I mean while you're here and have a chance to amount to something before you die?

By my count, of the samples given, there were 9 Old Testament quotes and 2 New Testament ones.

Well luckily I don't believe in a magical land of hellfire that punishes everyone and anyone who slightly disagrees with a 1,000+ year old book that supports slavery, mass murder, violence in the name of Jesus, and so on.

However I do think this famous Mark Twain quote is appropriate

"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for society".

pray all you want cindy ... just keep the bible quotes out of u.s. government

And religious people wonder why atheists lash out at them sometimes. Its people like YOU who flaunt their religion without any regard for others.

The B-29 is shuttering at full rev for take off.

Anti-religion bombs are loaded and strapped. I got Cindy painted across #1...

Look could you not post the same ? 5 or more times. Obviously you already have your mind set but whatever. In futility I'll respond this one time.

"In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State'. "-Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black

It's obvious that this policy of adorning biblical quotes on crucial government reports favors Judeo-Christian principles. The wall of separation has been breached.

I think it would violate the establishment clause; by putting the bible quotes on official documents it may be construed the gov. is endorsing Christianity.

i can't see the war on sh*tty music ending well. break dancing, tango fights... all that tight spandex would just be horrific.

i would like to see mullets proclaimed an act of terrorism in the war on bad hair cuts, tho.

I keep asking myself that every time I see Obama on Television droning on and on about how government is here to save us from ourselves....

Buddy, you've been brain washed and don't even know it.

I know you mean well - but man.

The Bush crew raped this country. That whole stupid war was entirely for the military contracts and the easily available slush. There was nothing else, not anything else going on. It was the Wolfowitz plan for how to make a profitable war. He first designed it in the Reagan years. They allowed the 'business interests' to have at it by throwing out restrictions for the environment, they flushed good science down the toilet - actually stifling truth and creating lies to allow the Enrons of their ilk total freedom.

They threw this country's reputation, built by countless American lives, in the can - in the dirt - all to make money for their very small group of pals.

The people - of the United States voted Obama in. In the hope that we might have a better path open up.

You have allowed your reason to be clouded - all for barking the "us against them' anthem.

It's a false God. If church and prayer are your ticket, try them out and see if you don't find a little moderation.

Your right wing news groups are a false idol -

Google PNAC. Among them, Timothy "Christian Fiction" LaHaye.

Your professors indoctrinating you again, or are you overdosing on the New York Times?

Unclecharlie: - not everybody is suckling off propaganda rags.

Sometimes, you'll have to fight with pure reason. Your own reason, preferably.
let's duke, bob and weave - :-} right?
Rev up the brain corpusles.

The thing wrong with religion is they don't even know they're being pimped.

Who told you that? One of your college professors, while he was indoctrinating you? Why don't you learn to think for yourself, instead of parroting your old hippy professors?

Actually, I thought of that all on my own. I went to PEPPERDINE, a school full of Christian professors.

Thanks for the comment, though : )

Religion seems non-unique in the list of things people in power hide behind to stay powerful.

"One of your college professors, while he was indoctrinating you?"

you don't need no book learnin, do you?

since when is going to college a negative?

Here, here. (rowdy applause)

washington owned slaves & murdered indians...that's just off the top of my head i'm sure that this "great man" did a lot of other awful things as well...aaahhhh, revisionist history u never cease to amaze me!

Then take Harrison. The man who passed the Sherman Anti Trust Act. The man who opposed the Chinese quota propositions to block immigrants from China, the man who had the gaul to tell an unruly mob that "The unions efforts would have failed without the help of blacks, plain and simple we owe these men our gratitude." Sure he has some bad spots but all and all he's one of the forgotten greats, a man who helped move this nation forward. Many scholars place him in the Pantheon of the ten best presidents in history.

"revisionist history" my ass. You cant look at history from a modern perspective because it is going to be skewed. The times were totally different back then and owning slaves wasnt seen as being evil, it was in fact a measure of your wealth and influence. Saying Washington was a bad man would be like saying the Romans were uncivilized because they watched people kill each other in the Arena.

Amen...

Slavery was known to be evil. People having substantial assets in slaves might have said different if they were asked, they may have worked to oppose anti-slavery movements - but they knew.

I have marveled at some of the prices. If someone owned slaves, they had a huge investment.

If you had a stable of thorough-breds, would you abuse them?

While there certainly were bad men doing bad things, and certainly there were ferocious beatings to hold control, I keep thinking that the money alone would tend to make the owners careful to maintain their stock.

I see an evil in the normal types of business decisions - which slave-owners were just one manifestation.
That nothing should concern, if money is to be made. It's a perversion.

Also, if you up and inherited slaves, you'd have people's lives depending on the circumstance. If you were to free them, it would be your responsibility to ensure their situation.

But people finally ended it - and at great cost. No one should think lightly of it.

Damn you have a great sense of humor!

Heh. Kind of you to say so, current89...if true, it is likely a result of 8 years of forcing laughter through the tears...

Thanks for the link, I'm going to credit you in this article for it.

current89,

you are part of the problem in this country -- no have no idea what the 1st Amenment says, do you. It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Having biblical quotes on the document hardly consitutes a law.

Like most people, you are also probably not aware that the Constitution says nothing about separation of church and state -- that is the terminology used by liberal zealots trying to make this an atheist country.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Separation of church and state is not actually in the Consitution, however it's co-author Thomas Jefferson explained that the first amendment was to be used as a wall of separation between church and state."

He's unavailable at the moment but those are his words.

Our founding fathers didn't want religion (ANY religion) to be a part of the government, whether in legislative form or otherwise because that would make us no better than the oppressive Brits we were striving to be free of. The pilgrims sought the New World because they didn't want the persecution they were facing in Europe. If our government flagrantly endorses religious statements blatantly taken from a religious text, then we really aren't getting anywhere.