Jesse Ventura on 'The View' - Destroys Torture Arguments
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@MosesHawk on twitter says "American's Journey: Jesse Ventura on 'The View' - Destroys Torture Arguments RT @1txsage1957"
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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FUCK YES.
The dude was a goddamn Navy Seal who's seen crazier shit in Basic than many will see in a war zone, and he says waterboarding is torture, and torture is wrong-- and this blond ditz has the audacity to tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about?
He was WATERBOARDED! HE KNOWS it's torture. How dare that stupid right-wing ann-coulter stand-in tell him otherwise.
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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artemis6
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Haven't watched that show but a few times . I thought it gave women a bad name . Bunch of squawking haglets , Jesse thinks quite well . Yeah , I made up a word . ^
- 2 years ago
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artemis6
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mandroid
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Jesse speaks like he wrestled, with power. about the presidency though I think that he is too smart for that job. I would have to agree about the difference between being the governor of a relatively small state like Minnesota (no offense Vikings fans) and being the President of the United States. Absolute power corrupts absolutly, too many people to please, too many knives aimed at your back if you don't. Not that I don't think he would be a great Pres, I do.
- 2 years ago
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mandroid
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kennymotown
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AWESOME! an ex military man calling it was it is TORTURE!
- 2 years ago
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kennymotown
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asherp
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kennymotown:
Dude, if you're in the military, it's your responsibility to know the Uniform Military Code, and the shit they are/were doing was torture.
What's weird is the matter is already settled. We did this same shit in the 1950s-60s, (sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation followed by sensory overstimulation- loud music, stress positions, using psychological fears like bugs, rats, roaches, etc against prisoners) under the MKUltra program, and Congress called it torture then. Of course we weren't doing it to extract information, we were doing it to "brainwash."
Nobody was prosecuted, nobody was impeached.
Then the CIA did it again in the 1980s, training people working as secondary agents to employ these exact same techniques.
Nobody was prosecuted. Nobody was impeached.
Then we did it again in the 00s, using the same goddamn techniques, and guess what?
Nobody was prosecuted. Nobody was impeached.
In 2020, we're probably going to do it again. MKUltra lives on.
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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Jesse serves it hot.
- 2 years ago
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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lulu81
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lol hassle "whack" I dont miss her at all since i stopped watching the view
- 2 years ago
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lulu81
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derk
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I never thought I would live to agree with "The Body," but I do.
- 2 years ago
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derk
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Ihatethemall
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Jesse is awesome. Hope you all get to see the movie....The obama Deception, he was in it.
- 2 years ago
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Ihatethemall
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uberdeft
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Only point I disagree with is prosecuting the ones who did 'it'. Those who give orders do not expect to be second-guessed and they can't be or the wrong people die. All the parade training is done just for this reason; following orders without hesitation.
- 2 years ago
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uberdeft
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Nephwrack
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hasselbeck makes me puke. as a lifelong democrat, i'd have to say that jesse ventura is an independent that has my vote if he ever runs.
- 2 years ago
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Nephwrack
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krush_productions
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Ventura on the View, I love it!
"We only seem to water board Muslims"
- 2 years ago
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krush_productions
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kreddig
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Oh yeah, lets support and analyze a person who thinks 9/11 was an inside job. Why does anyone care what he says? Dumb.
- 2 years ago
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kreddig
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Conniepae
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kreddig:
9/11, 9/11, 9/11, when all else fails, throw in a 'hail Mary' 9/11. Now that's dumb!
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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Skvant
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I love Jesse Ventura. When he was Gov of MN, he did a lot of stupid attention grabbing stuff to be in the lime light, but when it was about government, he did what he thought was good for the people, not for his party.
I met him years ago at a lecture and there was a drunk lady (at a lecture?) that was fawning over him like whoa. She asked why he didn't want to run again or run for something else. He said something about how he didn't want to be involved in government when it was all about party politics and creating slush funds. I totally understand that, but at the same time i wish that we had more people who were independent thinkers involved in government.
- 2 years ago
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Skvant
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HaloedGriot
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Slowdown people...some of you are talking about wishing Jesse Ventura being president. Leadership qualities are really THIS rare among you? Come on! I won't take anything away from Ventura with his governor career, but running a state and running a country are two completely different responsibilities. That's treading Palin territory. Remember the last time someone wanted a big name actor/athlete to be in government? Now look at all the problems California has with Schwartzenegger. Did they really think a BODYBUILDER would know what the hell he is doing?
Gimme a break, folks. Give Ventura a radio show as counter to Limbaugh, at best.
- 2 years ago
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HaloedGriot
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S3th
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HaloedGriot:
I think running a state well is excellent marks for making the next step..to Country.
Are you afraid of what having a no-nonsense president in office would do to our country?
I guess things are just running excellent with the globalists puppets running America financially and morally into the fucking ground eh?
Maybe they should give you a talk show?
- 2 years ago
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S3th
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NickerBocker09
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HaloedGriot:
We had governors as Presidents for the past couple decades and it fucked us up for the most part.
- 2 years ago
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NickerBocker09
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JamesAJanisse
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I love hearing voices of reason, and Jesse Ventura has not failed in that aspect. It's such a shame that this bitch Elisabeth Hasselbeck gets a huge audience to spout off her pre-made right-wing bullshit. God damn it's a shame.
- 2 years ago
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JamesAJanisse
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el_chivo
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This look like a conversation about astrophysics between a physicist and a boy watch too much sci-fi channel.
Funny how Hasselbeck mentions “enhanced interrogation” in front of a guy that has been waterboarded and really know how it feels.
- 2 years ago
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el_chivo
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idealist
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OMG....Jesse ventura is freakin awsome!!!!!!
- 2 years ago
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idealist
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VoyagerFilms
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You know, I was sort of thinking Cheney was guilty of the Sharron Tate murders, lol. Kudos to Ventura!
The blond on that show, boy she has dain bramage.
- 2 years ago
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VoyagerFilms
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PajamaDan
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It boggles the mind that there are people who defend/promote torture. This shouldn't even be a thought. It's 2009,... we should be uniting, learning to accept each other and learning to play by the rules - not ignoring "rules of war" with big-headed self-righteousness.
It's sickening to be aligned with people who use specious reasons to justify the morally grotesque.
- 2 years ago
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PajamaDan
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Conniepae
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PajamaDan:
Well said!
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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JamesAJanisse
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PajamaDan:
Very well said.
- 2 years ago
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JamesAJanisse
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diabolical44
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hilarious how the republican talking points in such a short period have gone from "it never happened" to "it happened but it was good" to "It was Pelosi's fault." do they think we are all retarded?
- 2 years ago
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diabolical44
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Conniepae
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diabolical44:
Yes, they do think we are retarded. But, who could blame them. Ordinary Americans let it happen. We let MSM turn us into a country programmed by news cycles. Spun with distortion, followed by, 'nothing to see here, move along' and we did.
We have been spun into thinking 'the court of public opinion' has replaced the 'Rule of Law'. The truth and nothing but the truth! The Bush administration did not have to fear 'perjury', cause they refused to be put under oath. How many criminals wish they could avoid 'the truth and nothing but the truth'? That's just crazy! No accountability, no shame? They should feel ashamed! Their actions made me feel shame!
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Conniepae
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tommytripper
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diabolical44:
you are implying they are hindered in some way....
intellectual dishonesty is not the same as being mentally hindered.
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tommytripper
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diabolical44
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diabolical44:
no. not that they are hindered. because i think people behind the scenes in the Bush administration for the most part are very smart people. evil geniuses if you will.
what I'm saying is that with this bogey of putting the blame on Nancy Pelosi, It shows that they really have no respect for the intelligence level of the average American. They obviously don't expect us to be able to draw the line between partisan BS and realize who the real criminals are; i.e. Dick Cheney and George Tenet and Karl Rove, and the rest of the bastards that wiped their ass with our constitution for the last 8 years.
- 2 years ago
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diabolical44
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Conniepae
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diabolical44:
They obviously realize with the help of MSM and spin, the truth is a casualty of 24/7 cable news. Facts be damned! 24/7 spin and talking points supersedes truth. Truth be damned. Spin and talking points control the majority of Americans, who have fallen victim to, news cycle emotions, then they just move along. No accountability necessary! Fact and distorted fact spun as equal, misleads ordinary Americans to believe the truth could go either way. They have created an opinion based justice system of justice. It’s called, ‘the court of public opinion’, where whole truth doesn’t matter. Move along, nothing to see here.
If they find someone willing to give the opinion, the earth is flat. It could go either way. They don’t search for truth. They spin the truth into an unrecognizable fact. It’s an “Assault on Reason” and US.
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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carmalite
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diabolical44:
They know their core base is stupid. Just really stupid and greedy.
- 2 years ago
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carmalite
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Conniepae
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It's funny that he mentions Sharon Tate, because the same prosecutor, who prosecuted Charles Manson for the Tate murder, wrote a book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. by Vincent Bugliosi. He's no left wing liberal. He was willing to state his case 'under oath'. I trust the words of a former Prosecutor who understands what 'under oath' means. The truth and nothing but the truth.
George W. and Dick Cheney can't even spell, 'the truth and nothing but the truth', let alone be put under oath. I fear our political leaders are afraid of what would happen if they were put under oath. What would they be forced to admit if they were? We don't have to waterboard them, just put them under oath.
No one spins Scooter Libby, do they? Ya can't spin it, once it becomes fact. They couldn't spin torture, if they were held accountable in a court of law. 'The court of public opinion', affords them the luxury of lying. Truth is not required in 'the court of public opinion'. We just move along after things are judged in 'the court of public opinion'. That's just sad!
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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S3th
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Conniepae:
Our political leaders have no problem lying under oath. they don't even take their oaths of office seriously...
Otherwise they would PROTECT AND DEFEND the US Constitution, rather than using it as toilet paper to wipe their corrupt asses with!
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S3th
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Conniepae
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Conniepae:
I'm talking testimony under oath. Perjury, many times becomes the crime they are found guilty of. I'm taking about testimony, where they better be sure if they lie, someone else hasn't already exposed their lie.
Many people fear for their own ass, when they give testimony under oath, more than they want to protect someone else. The real threat of jail, for giving false testimony helped expose the wrongs of Richard Nixon.
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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jubal
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Conniepae:
Excellent book and prosecutor.
- 2 years ago
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jubal
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Elevator
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That man is a born leader. I wish he was president.
- 2 years ago
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Elevator
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GoliathandDavid
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"You give me a water board, one hour, and Dick Chaney, and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders."
It's funny cause it's true.
- 2 years ago
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GoliathandDavid
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tommytripper
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i have to say i am impressed with him, and just how blunt he was.
he should run for the white house, i would vote for him if i could.
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tommytripper
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eta
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I just. you know. i try not to perpetuate the word "hate" in my personal vocabulary... but sometimes there are just certain people i have deep feelings of hatred for and i cant suppress it. elizabeth hasselbeck is one. randy jackson from american idol is another.
- 2 years ago
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eta
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masterzip
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people will continue to support torture as long as they are the ones on the giving end. Reverse that,...and they all become Sean Hannitys.
- 2 years ago
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masterzip
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carmalite
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I was impressed with Jesse's arguments. Elizabeth Hasselbeck is so lock step marching little brownshirt that she would defend torture.
Jesse speaks from experience.
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carmalite
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eta
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carmalite:
botero!
- 2 years ago
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eta
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mandroid
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carmalite:
eta what is botero?
- 2 years ago
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mandroid
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bastional
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The blond has decided that she is in line with the right and is willing to spin whatever is in front of her to justify her party's righteousness. Her spin is not objective. It is bias and always adversarial with whatever the spin the left has on a topic. We as a country will never progress if we let crap like this continue to divide us. Be objective people.
- 2 years ago
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bastional
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Conniepae
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bastional:
If one listens to her, one realizes her spin is not objective, it's following the 'talking points' being used to distract from those who actually issued the orders to torture. They are all using Nancy Pelosi to distract attention away from who authorized torture to justify and un-just war.
Dick Cheney profited from the war in Iraq. Halliburton made a bundle from no-bid contracts. Shameful!
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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Conniepae
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Voices of reason are good, even if not in government. Many times the best voices come from outside government. Their views do not have to pass the political sniff test. Who is paying them to speak? All they need is a platform for their views to be heard.
Jesse Ventura is a voice, which is feared by the left and the right. He's willing to speak, regardless of party. Country before party, what a concept! We need more Americans willing to stand up and be heard, regardless of party.
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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jh64487
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um...i would have voted for him.
surprising
- 2 years ago
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jh64487