It has explained over and over again that there are maximum prisons capable of holding them in the US. This discussion is typical politician bull and as usual it's fed by ignorance.

Fiscal restraint in the face of political expediency. Love it!

Nephwrack,

The hypocrisy I was referring to was that of our Democratic representatives, who won't dish out more of our money for something they've opposed all through this, yet they dish out billions for the "stimulus."

Hm, this is an interesting development. Am I surprised? Not really. Still, I am more inclined to see what comes of this than making this a mere bullet point of ammo against, B.Ob. I can understand people's frustrations and negativity towards the presidency, especially after the last 8. The CiC has a lot going for him. One of those things, however, is not patience from the body politic it seems. And they are all watching...

Hell, I'll take them for 75 million. I need 15 up front to build a facility and the balance on delivery. Since I'm a chef, I'll do the cooking. I guess there won't be a rib night but we can substitute with a goat barbeque night.

I believe this is follow the leader. Obama has realized he made a huge mistake, he then told the dems to make it hard for him so he saves face by "compromising"

empty promises

if we could survive the Marielitos I'm sure we can imprison some "terrorists" without it being the end of the world. The so called greatest country in the world cant neutralize a few hundred convicts? I say put them in general population in sing sing or soledad and see how long they last.

As long as we allow our politicians to keep these supposed TERRORISTS detained and tortured, BUSH/CHENEY/CIA/ and the rest of the globalist scum who planned and executed the events on 911 will continue to get away with it.

Until Americans stop avoiding looking closely at the SCIENCE of 911, and continue waving their flags, while over a million dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, moves towards 2 million, we are truly screwed.

We have no moral high ground, while the evil fuckers who are destroying our personal liberties, putting our young men and women in harms way to help acquire other nations natural resources, and fattening their personal pocketbooks!

Is everyone too fucking stupid to see this? Or too afraid to take of the red, white, and blue colored shades the propaganda team in DC put together to keep patriotic ignorance in check?

I'm ashamed of my fellow American citizens for refusing to allow themselves to be programmed into right/left seperatist propaganda from the media, and not gathering together to force our politicians to stop lying to us, and get to the truth about 911 and why we are still allowing very evil motherfuckers to use our children to kill, and illegally occupy other nations!!

These people are not being interrogated any more - there's nothing they know that we don't at this point. It's all politics from here on. Send'em back to the shithole they came from - and if they pick up the weapons again - then kill them this time, instead of taking them prisoner!

In all honesty, I doesn't appear that they want to discontinue the tactics used at Gitmo, yet by closing it down, they want us to believe that the tactics are no longer used. The only problem is, they are shipping people to other countries that do not observe the Geneva accords.

I thoroughly enjoy how much praise Obama is getting for trying to close down Gitmo, when in reality he's just MOVING it. That's our resolution? He might as well just leave it and the detainees there if all he plans on doing is putting them in a different cell, in a different prison, on a different island. Moving Gitmo does not resolve the issue of torture, it just means it's going to be done somewhere else.

Newphrack - do a few of your facepalms, 'cause you're going to need them. First of all - I am quite surprised and pleased to find out that there are apparently some reasonable Dems in Congress - not everyone is an extreme leftie commie motherfucker - and with the Pelosi soon to depart - the house will hopefully get even more even - centrist. Not wanting these people on our soil - I don't see anything wrong with this. Whether they are terrorists or just the enemy combattants - I don't want them in US jails, creating more Islamic converts or even worse - walking the streets here - even in San Francisco - the kingdom of the left.
Why don't you all read some recent history about who these people are! They rebelled while being held captive in Afghanistan, caused a prison riot where the guards - both local and American were overpowered and slaughtered - and held under a seige until giving up again. There are no innocents there. These folks are Taliban and Al Queda - we have enough of their ilk already walking our streets - don't need anymore there.
Obama is pandering to the lefies by being a consumate politician that he is. The promis to close Gitmo by January - boy, doesn't that sound heroic? Regardless of consequences, costs, etc - close it, as the messiah promissed. What a crock of shit. Their countries of origin don't want them. They have a comfortable, albeit locked up living where meals are guaranteed, and so is the freedom to pray to allah. As to the repeated allegations of ass-rape - this only holds if they do each other - the guards have been purged of the "bad seed" - and even the sicko ones never did that to the prisoners. Now if one decides to do another - well, that is their own problem - as they say in the Navy - don't ask - don't tell. Hahaha
Finally, I say send them back to the Afghan prisons! If your Obama wants to "keep his promisses" (of which he already broke a dozen of) - send them back to the shithole where they came from. I bet they will BEG to go back to Gitmo!!!

Finally - someone up in this blog said something about other countries loving/hating America, comparing us to a rabid dog or something. To this, I say Fuck them all. Why do you lefties want to be loved so much? Why do you want to conform to others and not be unique ourselves. Let both our enemies and our friends fear us - we are no puppy dog to be liked. We feed the whole fucking world - and it bites the hand that feeds it. I say we have a right to get out our stick and give'em a good whack once in a while - when they deserve it. As for them liking us - that will never happen - because they envy us. They will like us when god forbid we're hit again, like we were on 9-11 or worse. Do you want that? I sure don't.

when i first checked this out i thought "...why are the democrats making such a republican move?", and i briefly lost all my hope for the U.S. but then I noticed the price put on moving 240 people (most of which are probably about as dangerous as a plastic bottle cap) is just a little way too rediculous.
Why is this so expensive? Jesus.
Honestly I wish they would just truthfully pick out the people who are dangerous and release the innocent fellas. But then again the number of people left would be so damn small that there'd be no point in having a multi-million dollar prison!
Quite a crisis, quite a crisis.
This problem probably wouldn't even exist if only the army didn't pick out any guy with a turban or who's first name was Muhammed.

Also, unclecharlie... Dude.. "done got smarts"... are you really trying to sound THAT stereotypical? Have some self-respect for the love of god and see to it that you re-read your grammar and spelling to maybe sound like a person anyone would actually want to debate with. And also, it's Guantanamo and not Gitmo. What is it with some right wing folk (i say some because i know republicans who actually know what the hell they are talking about) trying to shorten words? Jesus man, jesus. lol

On the face of things, MAYBE, the Democrats have finally figured out, it's not good policy to sign a check for something without seeing the contract. It sure would be great if my customers would do what the Congress did earlier this year. Only problem is most people are smarter than Congress. Go figure.

How is a 40 year old Iraqi who doesn't speak English really anymore "dangerous" than a 40 year old illegal immigrant that doesn't speak English?

"These guys are monsters! They are like Batman only a hundred times more expert in martial arts and a trillion times more brilliant!" -- so sayteh those living in terror of the GitMo detainees.

Um, not exactly. They are just ordinary human beings with no super powers.

Do we really need to keep this guy (or any of these detainees) in some kind of comic-book like high tech prison?

It's just a fucking dude!

That's it. That's all any of them are. Pissed off dirt poor foreigners, not Harvard trained super villians with Phd's in building evil robots powered by Kryptonite.

Even the worst of them, the most horrible of them...are just regular guys with no supherhuman strength and, in most cases, don't even speak English.

And yet we have millions of people cowering in terror utterly terrified that these "super villians" might set foot on US soil.

'We can't keep them here! We'll all die if they..."

Will we? Really?

Guys, if we can handle thousands of Mexican illegal immigrants I think we can handle a few hundred Iraqi detainees without freaking out, can't we?

Christ. Give me $300 bucks a month and I'll keep one of them locked in the spare bedroom. These guys aren't comic book super villians on par with something you'd find in a Superman comic.

Pretty sure that the country that put a man on the moon can figure out how to keep a few hundred foreigners locked up safely, can't we? We seem to be doing a pretty good job with the guys we have in SuperMAX facilities now.

terrorist loving hippies... lol, that's rich. do any of you right wingers ever deign (that means choose) to read the articles before shooting off at the keyboard? anything with the word "obama" in it must mean that he personally signed off on it right?

(facepalm)

no wonder the rest of the world hates us, it's easy to hate a rabid moron.

i'm thinking that 80 million is an awful lot of money to move 240 ppl. maybe THAT's why it wasnt approved, and you right wing scum are just spinning this to try and make the democrats look bad.

HAHAHAHA!! The democrats have done got smarts, after all these years! Amazing! When they close the prison, do YOU want these guys in your backyard, on American soil? Hell no! What other country is going to take them? If they ship 'em to the US, are we going to build more prisons to hold them? Yessir! Spend the money to close the Gitmo jail, and then spend money to build more prsons, or expand the ones we have now! No wonder Obama is backpedaling! He only said we'd close it to pacify the terrorist loving hippies- the ones that elected him!

2helenahandbasket, "They are, after all, terrorists."

BZZZZZ!

Wrong. Just like not everyone sitting in jail in the US is not actually GUILTY until proven so by a court of law, so to are the foreign nationals that we have housed at GitMo likewise. This is why we have trials in the US. because not everyone that ends up in jail is actually guilty. (though to be fair there has never been a single incident in US history of any police officer anywhere ever failing to adhere 100 percent to the letter of the law.)

In fact, it was Bush himself (no bleeding heart liberal) that personally authorized the release of DOZENS of GitMo inmates who had spent YEARS sitting in captivity.

Why did Bush let them go after ass-raping them for 7 long years?

Oops. Turns out they were innocent after all. Turns out that these high-level super hardcore terrorists....were NOT terrorists after all. They were just turned over to US soliders for bounty.

Which is understandably surprising.

When we said we'd hand over $10,000 in cash to anyone who gave us a name of a terrorists (no questions asked) who could have foreseen that some starving Iraqis would abuse the priviledge and turn in people that weren't terrorists just to get tons and tons of cash??? The system sure sounds foolproof on paper. Who could have foreseen?

I mean, normally when we handed out huge bricks of US cash in Iraq everyone always acted honorably. I mean its not like there has been ANY waste, fraud or abuse in Iraq when it come to things like reconstruction or troop support or......oh. Wait. Dammit.

But aside from all that, yeah, we should be able to house 240 Iraqis in the US without it costing $80 million dollars.

But then again if its Haliburton or KRB handling the job we should be grateful its only $80 million. Hell, those muthafuckers charge $80 million just to drive one transport truck 2 miles.

The closing is just an empty gesture anyway if the attitude and presence of Uncle Sam remains the same in the world. But how absolutely assinine is it to close it and NOT have a plan already in place to move them...sounds like a legitimate attempt to fail 'the people' if you ask me. Sounds like more goverment at its best today.

Dude, pony up the dough! $80 million isn't shit anymore, just ask China.

80 million dollars to relocate them to other prisons? It's all touchy feely to want to take care of these men, but nobody wants them because they're afraid of them. They are, after all, terrorists. And since nobody wants them and they will just be in prison anyway, why not leave them right where they are and save that 80 million? (No, I didn't say torture or mistreat them. The facilities at Gitmo are nice, compared with the facilities at other places.)

Such hypocrisy...

Everyone has to make themselves relevant .. Gets very expensive when it comes to politics. Be prepared too, next 'one' is going to be a dictatorialship.

wow... my slim hope that Obama could do anything useful has just taking another bashing...

his own party will not even follow his lead...

then again you can not expect much from Washington... they have been working against the rule of law and the interest of the average person for years now, they are just getting more and more blatant about it.

Wow. Can't we manage to find a way to move 240 people for less that 80 million? I swear, if a non-profit was involved with creating this budget things might be different (heh).

Quite upset about this; I understand that most European countries are withdrawing their offers to accept inmates and that many do not want the inmates in federal prisons. Of course these road-blocks create a problem, where should the inmates be relocated to. So it's understandable that the Democrats want a more solid plan. But with that said, I think it's politically foolish to block/slow down Obama's plan to close the prison.

On another note good catch Asherp!. Featured in US Politics.

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