Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

Americas credibility as a nation was smashed long before its economy.

Own up and repair the damage. Germany did it after World War II and today they have put it all behind them. The sooner America makes a start the sooner it will all be over......or do you want to hand the shame on to your children?

It is disgusting to me to protect any crime by any person. If it were a relative of mine and they raped or tortured someone...look out if I don't kill you myself I will be turning your ass in to someone. If everyone just stood up for what is right and IMO I don't see rape as right in any nation then the world would start to improve, but to protect a criminal makes you guilt too in my book. Especially a US soldier. Don't tell me they don't know right from wrong. If we do it to their people then we should expect it to be done to ours without any bitching.

Relase the photos Obama. Put Dumb Ya and Cheeneey and the rest of the crew in prison, quit talking to the asshole on the phone and put him in prison.

How fortunate we are to have people to censor and cover up stuff like this. Now we can pretend like it never happened. Good job guys!

However much I want transparency on this issue. I do support holding back the images. Whether or not there was rape - the treatment of the prisoners there were incredibly heinous and assuming the allegations of rape and sexual misconduct are correct, I think more so it would be a hazard to release something so sensitive to the public.
However, hearing the pentagon deny such allegations makes me concerned. I wonder how much more of this will come to light

evil that resides inside humanity cannot be stopped JUST REDIRECTED..like the tide..you cant stop it but you can redirect it..

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=7712134

see how the taliban is using this publicity

for those who thinks that they are "doing good", what is going on here is that you guys are impeding progress on stopping true evil..

not to mention these evil people are using the weakest link in this war on terror..

meaning those bleeding heart liberals

follow the link

tblue39, Fuck the soldiers image! How do you think the world looks at us now? We NEED to release the photos, we NEED to hang, castrate, fuck it water board the party involved. If we keep sweeping this shit under the rug, it's only going to stick up the whole house. Plus, they were stupid enough to record the event(s). In the perfect world these soldiers would be raped with a long piece of pumice and then forced to sit in a brine filled bath tub!

We've protected the protectors long enough.

I think anyone who wants these pictures released are just as sick as the people who did those horrible things.

I agree it was wrong, but why hold ALL our military in the middle east accountable for the few who are not honorable.

You people are crazy and must not have family in the military to say it would not harm our soldiers if the pictures got out.

I do have two sons in the military and they were not raised that way and they would never do anything like what had happened at Abu Grahib.

And I do not think it is right to jeapordize them for what others have done.

A cleansing of conscience would be so good for this country . The top criminals need to be forced to face their actions and be held to account . That this does not, seem to be happening is tragic . It seems we are going the way of Ancient Rome .

See some people are f***king NUTS!!! So ummmmm thats how Americans get the bad rep...

Is there no end to the LEFT on this issue? We should have dug a pit thrown them all in there and set it on fire as far as I'm concerned. OH the Horror we spanked these guys!!! Yeah well, judging by that hole in lower Manhatten - We should have just brought them all to GITMO and cut their heads off - But that's just me. OK you LEFT WINGED CRYING THUMBSUCKERS...here's you chance to cry some more...Speaking of Crying and War...Didn't your HERO Obama just approve another 91 BILLION for the War? Didn't IRAN just blame the USA for a recent Attack on a Mosque? See, OBAMA's Kiss and Tell - make Friends program is really working huh? Don't you feel better now? For those of you who don't think WAR is the Answer and doesn't work, I'll remind you of what your High Schools didn't. WAR works...In fact it did pretty well on the Japs and Nazi's didn't it? Didn't Chamberlin (then the PM for Britan) take the OBAMA approch with Hitler too? (Yeah, just talk to them, they'll understand) - YOu saps...Keep Crying about GITMO...Tell you what, All you bleedling hearts feel so bad about them? Invite them into your home...I mean being no country wants them - Why don't ome of you CURRENT bloggers tell Mommy you're bringing home your very own terrorist to love and care for...Put your money where your mouths are..

We tried, convicted, and punished the Nazi war criminals at Nurenberg.

We did not accept the excuse that it was a few rogue miscreants who persuded the policy of torture and murder-----we established that it was the government policy of Nazi Germany.

Last weekend we had Dick Chenney on TV publicly declaring that it was official government policy. Bragging about being a party to making it policy. We've had George W. Bush vetoing a law passed by congress outlawing torture, for the purpose of "keeping options on the table".

Do we have one set of rules for Nazis who commit crimes against humanity---but excuse our own leaders when they do exactly the same things?

Allowing the photos will place our troops in danger?

No, the top governement officials who allowed and condoned the use of such conditions are placing our troops in danger.

Publishing the photos will enflame anti-US sentiment.

No. It is widely known what was done now. If we do not act to bring guilty parties to justice, then WE are to blame for inciting anti-US sentiment. Muslims are outraged---and rightly so. If we do not bring justice to the table, there will be no justice. If there is no justice, there can be no peace.

"maybe rape is and enhanced interrogation techinque"

As for seeing the pictures...I do not watch reality shows for I do not wish to see the lowest common denominator of the human race on national television.
I feel the same way about seeing the pictures.
I know they exist, but I do not need to see them.

All involved in the mistreatment of prisoners should be held accountable, starting at the very top. As for any person saying they were following orders...no excuse for the mistreatment of a prisoner.
As for a few who seem to think that it is OK to torture and rape a person because someone of their race/religion/ethnicity did it to someone else, you need to seriously think that through.
Would you condone or take part in the torture or rape of the neighbor who lives on your left because their 3rd cousin twice removed, raped or tortured the neighbor who lives on your right?

While on the topic of rape what about all the foreign aid workers helping the victims of Muslim atrocities in Darfur who have been raped by Muslim Terrorists? Just thought I'd ask since that case involved many more actual innocent victims not involved with the fighting in any way. Let's see, what did they do wrong? And why is it that it barely was covered by the media? Those poor bastards in abu grave should have been put out of their misery.

Not a good sign atall.

How about someone posting some pictures of Americans cutting off 3 little girls heads because they are the wrong religion? How about some pictures of Americans cutting someones head off because he is a photog for AP (Daniel Pearl). How about pictures of Americans blowing up a market place in the name of their God or religion?

Fuck the Muslims. Nuke the bastards.

The problem with our government, as everybody knows, is that it is bought and paid for.

The corruption is in saturation levels.

Everyone knows this. This is why we can't put all these people in jail - because they are the ones who were governing - and they sit at the top of a mound of slush money - all of it is our government.

We'd have to cut through the entire meat of it.

Are YOU gonna do that?

Neither am I.

Here we are.

Full disclosure is not an option; it is mandatory in a free and open society. And while my heart goes out to the victims and the soldiers (that will invariably suffer additional pain from their release) it is only by making these pictures public that we can truly address the atrocious nature of these actions, prosecute the offenders and, most importantly, prevent it from happening in the future.

In other words: no more secrets. Secrets are what got us here in the first place. (Honestly, I am surprised so many of you think they should be kept/swwept under the rug.)

Another blemish on the record of the US in the
international community...
This one of the reasons why there has to be full disclosure of events including all evidence in pursuit of
justice and at the same time to ensure that the process
is not dragged and further damage is done by the suppresion and delay of release of all evidence in order to prosecute the perpetrators and appease the world's
need for justice

I will have to pass on actually wanting to see the photos. The people who allow such atrocities to take place are not representatives of this country and should be held accountable!! They clearly broke international law and if it were Americans that were being treated this way by a government system, all hell would brake loose!

The shame and guilt of the Bush administration continues to mount. The wide spread and despicable behavior at Abu Grahib and other US installations over seas is cause for great alarm. This behavior was not an aberration, nor was it a few bad apples. The unspeakable torture was systematic and wide spread. No doubt it came from the top; from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice.

These foul deeds must come to light, and they should not pass unpunished. Those responsible must be punished. Bush and co. should be tried and convicted for crimes against humanity. Their actions are nothing short of treason. They have soiled the good name of the USA and have put generations of US military personnel in harms way with their sadistic and criminal practice.

They don't need to release these photos. The description is graphic enough. What needs to be done is seek accountability for these horrific acts. What happened in Abu Ghraib is inhumane and is absolutely against what we believe as a country and should not be done to any human being. Justice needs to be served.

I just want the people of America to know that not all Europeans judge you for what they are doing. We do not think all Americans are fat and stupid idiots.

Obama has to do something about this. The people of America has to protest as well.

Lets differentiate our need for information and government transparency vs. the perverse and morbid fascination with seeing violent, traumatizing images.

(a) releasing the photos would be superfluous and gratuitous since the government is already acknowledging & admitting the graphic crimes

(b) it would spark up further anti-American international opinion, which we're slowly, desperately, starting to heal

and (c) it would fuel the terrorist fire, giving them more ammunition for recruitment against the "Big Bad Empire"... just what we need.

this is very sad :(

It is quite enough for people to know some of the prisoners were tortured. It happened years ago and we knew about it then, even Nancy Pelosi, no matter how much she denies it. Only a handful of our troops were involved and they have been punished for it.

No good could possibly come from the release of the photos, except for folks' own morbid curiosity and voyeuristic thrills.

I think it is the right thing to do.

We need to hide the evidence and not seek justice.

We need to hope the whole thing goes away.

Nothing good will come of admitting wrong doing and stopping the crimes.

It is important to show the world that YES we know about the horrible unforgivable acts our soldiers do and are instructed to do but we are kinda busy stealing all the oil to really care.

That makes american soldiers safe. It really shows the wold that American soldiers can be trusted.

Good thinking. They should also put targets on their uniforms. That'll make the soldiers safer too.

I can't wait for the that video to be leaked that seymour hersh has been talking about where soldiers are raping a little boy and people are being murdered.

Not seeking justice on those crime will secure the safety of all americans.

i think there is also a matter of how much visual information is now floating around the internet that is actually REAL PEOPLE. there are the victims and the criminals and their families and all the gray are and overlap in between. there are a thousand reasons that they may not want these pictures to be released and it doesn't mean that this is the best possible procedure- it just means that for now they may have one. i am NOT in favor of just letting the government decide what to release ever time... however just thinking that all information should be available to everyone always is narrow minded

Tough issue. On the one hand, I loathe the idea of censorship, but on the other... I can see where that General's coming from. There's enough nasty shit on the internet as it is, and I really don't need to see a guy with a fluorescent tube up his ass. The pictures we've already seen are completely inexcusable and revolting by themselves, and should be more than enough to go on to incriminate the rotten motherfuckers responsible.

How long, how many times.....

America never has been perfect, we have had our murderers, rapists and torturers but it wasn't until the last eight years that anyone ever tried to claim that it was right!

This started not eight years ago but about forty years ago, with COINTELPRO and the Nixon Presidency. The mistake then was not to prosecute,

After the Church commission, after Nixon, we purged the CIA but did not put the criminals (and not all of the CIA were or are criminals) in jail, Nixon did not go to jail, Kissinger did not go to jail, Cheney did not go to jail.

The whole crowd re-grouped and pushed Reagan and themselves into the White House. It was a combined failure of the Ford and Carter administrations. And it was a marriage made in Hell.

Obama is trying to avoid that mistake, it is obvious,

But there are two choices and Obama only sees one.

1: Keep the powerful and dangerous where they are, so that they remain under the control of this President.

2: Charge, try and imprison the truly guilty (perhaps even the death penalty, but I am against the death penalty no matter how evil the crime.)

At all costs the powerful and dangerous must be kept from re-grouping and attacking our democracy AGAIN.

For whatever reason, Obama is choosing option 1. It is a stupid option, because it guarantees that the President retains the power to do the stupid and criminal again. No matter who is President they do not want to relinquish power. But as with Frodo and the Ring, the only path to freedom is to cast the ring into the cracks of doom.

America must return to the rule of law and live with the consequences, any other direction is doomed to years of tears and the eventual downfall of a totalitarian state that will bear little resemblance to the America we thought we knew.

We have never been this close to the edge, not during the civil war, not under FDR, not in the battle of World War Two, I really am tired of living on the edge.

not surprising. I respect the military to the highest degree. but there is no denying there are some real neanderthals in the army.

How many photos do we need to see in order to know that some guards abused their power.
Were male prisoners raped? If so, I don't want to see it. I can understand that bad things happened without wallowing in it.
Was the Bush regime involved in a cover up? I don't know and I don't care. Do we have to keep washing our dirty laundry over and over if its only been soiled once?

It would imperil our troops because it is morally wrong. And the decisions came straight from the top. George Bush endorsed torture by vetoing a law from congress that would have made it unequivical that the US does not do this. Dick Chenney was on TV this weekend defending torture.

Dick Chenney and George Bush would have been right at home in the Nazi Party.

Yeah I agree that the photos should be released to court officials, good caring police officers, good caring detectives, attorney generals (that still care about our rights left), and others so we can indict the tyrants and if Obama ever supports or rendition then it's proof that almost all politicians are corrupt and should arrested and we the people need to storm Washington, we need to storm the capital and arrest them all except for Ron Paul, and other congressmen, Senators, and others that really did care about our rights.

Arrest The Bilderbergs! Arrest the Federal Reserve! Arrest bernanke! Arrest the Rockefellers! Arrest the Skulls and Bones members!

Is this fighting evil, or raping and pillaging?

Those photographs are evidence we should never have gone thats why they are not being released.

It proves that Americans are no better than the rest of the violent animals on this planet.

And I'm proud to be an American,
Where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who raped
Who gave that right to me.

God surely is on our side.

I am sure they claim it was consentual.