Burger King Calls Global Warming "Baloney"

So the fat slobs don't worry about all the pollution that is generated by....Driving to, Waiting in line at the drive-thru with their SUVs running with the A/C on Max then receiving a bunch of paper and press board trash that their "food" is wrapped up in, Then driving away shoving a artery clogging mass into their all ready non-thinking head. It’s bad for their business to have an educated populous.

Or are they saying that it is Baloneys fault?

You're a slave anyway. They used to have to pay for medical/dental - but then realized they could pay you less than you are making them and you have to pay your own rent! -On property they own!

S-u-c-k-e-r-s

What do you own, a ticky-tac box?

S-u-c-k-e-r-s

Right?

What you fail to understand is that you can't feel anything if you do not have a central nervous system. Like plants.

The reaction people like C. Baxter attained was a natural mechanism of the plant. Like when they move with the sun. They can know they are damaged but they cannot feel it. There are no neurons or anything that could project it.

An animal killing another animal for food is far from murder. They need that food to eat, you absolutely do not. Then to say condoning factory farming is the same thing? HA!

http://plantsfeelpain.com/

LOL.. yep, it's the vegans who are crazy.

Ya know, actually - the less you eat, the better you're gonna feel. We ate crickets for 3 billion years and now there's Burger King.

Everybody's fat. Their personalities are fat, the attitudes are fat.
fat cars, fat food, fat heads.

Amer-rca - fat people.

Stop eating all that bullshit - thin down, live longer, girls will start to like you again.

That'd be a change.

There is consensus on man made global warming. It was reported over 2 years ago that human are very likely to have caused global warming.

--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy#Consensus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Science_Program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

It gets hot AND cold from the same human caused consequences. Which is why scientists call it "global disruption" or "global weirding".

"Global warming" is used because we didn't have this data initially and it is established as the most recognizable term.

Or nearly every other fast food restaurant for that matter.

(Chick-fil-a is cool, though. ;)

I am in agreeance

If you are willing to eat meat you don't care about the environment. Where you eat it does not matter.

ok that i do not agree with though, There are animals raised to be food, and honestly, i can not go without meat because i get sick, but i dont eat much meat as it is.... anyhow... that vegan card is unfair... like pulling the jesus card...

Except this card protects us, the planet, and all creatures in the life we lead now.

ditto. SludgeCity...if you got sick from not eating meat, it's because you didn't find another way to get all of the nutrients you need.
And heck, pulling the vegan card should be done more often...like pulling the recycling card, it increases awareness that there's a much, much better way.

For more information about meat consumption and it's effects on climate change:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html

As for the fact that those animals are raised to be food...I can't see the validity in that argument. If someone is born into slavery, do we leave them there because it's "what they were raised for" or should we release them from those bonds into a better life?

"If you are willing to eat meat you don't care about the environment. Where you eat it does not matter."

That is the stupidest statement I have heard in a while. sustainable meat-eating is possible, it's just not done because we have shifted to a mass-manufactured society where the cheapest business model is what is used.

regardless, your comment boggles my mind in all its ignorant glory.

My thought was that if you are willing put shit in your own body you probably don't think too much about cause and effect. Not just beef, and the greasy fried crap, but look at what is happening behind the cashier. How is this food stuff being handled? And by whom. It is not pretty behind that little wall. I would not let most seventeen year olds wash my truck let alone make my lunch. Or my kids lunch.

@Chilipepper

It's the gas released from the animals that is detrimental. If you eat meat that is not raised on your own then you contribute to mass factory farming. It is also the leading cause of global disruption.

Keep exploiting life and killing the planet just because it tastes good, then call me ignorant. Thanks.

this is what i meant by sustainable meat-eating: meat raised on your own.

In any case there are measures being investigated to reduce the impact of ruminant methane emissions (cow burps and farts), for example fish oils have been shown to reduce methane emissions (whether it's by an appreciable amount is yet to be seen) and by independent farmers that have set up methane collection apparatuses to harvest the released emissions and burn it to produce energy. some can even sell excess energy back to the grid. (methane is clean burning, or at the very least cleaner than other fuels)

as another note, wetlands (including rice agriculture) produces more methane than livestock (disclaimer: info from wikipedia, but taken from a UN source in 2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane#Emissions_accounting_of_methane) and energy production produces nearly as much methane as livestock (that's not including the other junk it spews out). I could go on to say turn off your computer and turn out your lights because its highly likely that your energy was produced from coal, and that's pretty danged detrimental to the environment. However I'm just saying that climate-consciousness can manifest in different ways, but judging me based on your sole point of environmental superiority does not make you better than me. you don't know me, kid

Judgemental?.. like when you called me me ignorant? c'mon

There is no larger step you can take to cut your emissions than to stop eating meat. There is also not an easier one. I can't control where my houses energy comes from but I can reduce my consumption, as i have. I don't even take warm showers. I have a push mower. I only drive to work. None of this reduces my footprint as much as cutting out an irrelevancy aka animal products from my diet. Why should it be harder to stop eating meat than to turn off your computer? or lights? or water while you're brushing?

And, just because it's more acceptable to raise meat on your own doesn't mean you're not still exploiting life and harming the planet... all for a personal preference.

"If you are willing to eat meat you don't care about the environment." this is going to sound childish, but you started it (the judging)

Going veggie is not automatically better than other ways of being environmentally-conscious. one person abstaining from meat would probably not make much more of a difference than one person taking the bus to work: either way it's a drop in the bucket. even if you could make everyone vegetarian and end animal husbandry, you still have those other environmental issues. Not to mention those ruminant animals still exist and will still be pumping out methane (probably in lesser numbers).

Lastly, I don't agree with your statement that raising your own meat is exploiting life and simultaneously harming the planet. if i do it responsibly, how is that different from someone hunting her own meat, and how is that different from a lion stalking its prey or a chimpanzee killing and eating another primate? it too can subsist on fruits and vegetation, but it doesn't always. we are still animals, after all

"If you are willing to eat at a BK you probably do not care about yourself let alone The Planet."

Is what this thread is streaming from. I made a response to:

"If you are willing to eat at a BK you probably do not care about yourself let alone The Planet."

and I said:

"If you are willing to eat meat you don't care about the environment. Where you eat it does not matter."

In response to:

"If you are willing to eat at a BK you probably do not care about yourself let alone The Planet."

Raising meat is exploiting life because it's controlling an animal for food. You decide when they eat, what they eat, where they are, when they die and basically every other aspect of their life besides when they shit. Not in a comforting "I'm gonna make your life grand" type of way, but in a "I want to rip my teeth into your flesh cause I like the taste" type of way. Plus they still fart.

But it is always better, if you must eat meat, to eat animals who had names.

all right top scruffy I gotta call you on this not earing meat is for the protection of the animals, or what about the thing you posted at the top which you say " the animals farting and burping alone is worse than all the vehicles, including ships and plane in the world" so are you say that we would be better off without all the animals or should we not eat them for ethical reasones which is it? And what about buffalo which is on par with chicken or fish as far a cholesterol but higher in protien? All people who eat meat don't care about the planet? vegan nazi.

all right top scruffy I gotta call you on this not eating meat is for the protection of the animals, or what about the thing you posted at the top which you say " the animals farting and burping alone is worse than all the vehicles, including ships and plane in the world" so are you say that we would be better off without all the animals or should we not eat them for ethical reasons which is it? And what about buffalo which is on par with chicken or fish as far a cholesterol but higher in protein? All people who eat meat don't care about the planet? vegans are such a peculiar bunch

@mandroid

Both, do you not understand? People aren't out there hunting existing cows for you, they breed (create) them based on how much they can sell for consumption. There are more cows in my state than people. If we didn't mass produce them for food there wouldn't be millions and millions of them. They release methane into the atmosphere that is currently polluting 50% more than all vehicles in the world combined. If you eat meat that comes from the store you directly contribute to the factory farming industry and mass amounts of pollution. The less we eat, the less they exploit.

lol @Top Scruffy

how about you go to africa and and preach your california vegan philosophy over there. see how received you are. dolt.

oh and ps to Top Scruffy -

You forget about insects, which are the biggest methane producers on the planet. There's also something very wrong when an individual states that people can't raise animals for death, as humans started raising cattle before we even formed societies.

And actually, by what you state, people in the world would start starving as some of the mega-farms start to fail.

It's great that you can belong to a religion, judge other people, and not call it a religion. And vegans have certainly never done anything for the planet. Just look at 'Food Not Bombs', where they feed starving homeless people vegan food and refuse to give them meat.

I'd rather have a Jehovah's Witness come to my door and talk to me for two hours than a vegan. One more thing - I love eco nut vegans that don't live in an eco house and don't drive an eco car. You're vegan, so you're saving the environment? There are other people out there putting a lot more effort into preserving the environment who do eat meat (check out the Star community in New Mexico). As you stated previously, you just chose the 'easiest' option. Obviously you don't care about the environment if you're not willing to work to help it.

@smallgod

Those people in Africa need to eat food by themselves, they need to eat meat. There is no factory farm there to breed cheap meat. They raise their own or they hunt based on the amount of food they need. There is no exploitation.

How about you go to India and preach being omnivorous and see how accepted you are among the 1.2 billion people? dolt.

Everyone kills insects, we cant do much about that. At least there aren't people mass breeding them for profit.

There is no such thing as a mega farm all the sudden failing. They will produce less and less until people are buying food from small farms. When they finally go under it means the meat industry is back to the community instead of sucking up local farmers with corporations.

Being a vegan is not like joining a religion. It is making a conscious decision about something that we know to be true and are living right now. You don't have to go by what other people tell you because it is something you can experience yourself.

"As you stated previously, you just chose the 'easiest' option."

I actually stated that it just IS the easiest option. It is not the only one I have chosen. You can look at my post and see that I do other things. I also also blog for the NRDC.

You are only upset at vegans because we can do something you feel you cannot. Like if you were a smoker and I was telling you to stop, you would rather hear a Jehovah's Witness than me tell you you're killing yourself... uhh yeah duh. The problem is with a closed mind like that you will continue to murder simply for a preference. You wont even give this a chance you just talk it down like some bickering ignorant asshole. I wish you could see the pattern of demeanor on people getting mad a vegans. I am doing good, so why dis that? Like, are you mad that Ken Griffey Jr. can hit more homeruns than you? Then be pissed when he tries to coach you to help you hit homeruns too?

You can't deny that it is the best and easiest way to help the environment. If you care enough to do so much more to help, then why is it so hard to stop eating meat? I've eaten enough meat for 10 people in my life and the transition was still so clean and easy you have no idea. And you never will because you are so close minded you will sit on your high horse and keep that negative mindset towards it.

Take a step back and see your position compared to mine. I have changed my life in a way everybody else can too. The only argument YOU have to keep eating meat is that it tastes good. The bottom line is that this is something you should be able to try, and if you are too ignorant to do so = you'll continue to be the problem. I'm just trying to educate in a society designed to make you think eating meat is still alright.

TopScruffy
"Being a vegan is not like joining a religion. It is making a conscious decision about something that we know to be true and are living right now. You don't have to go by what other people tell you because it is something you can experience yourself."

My god if you replace vegan with christian or any other religion I have heard that exact statement a million times. Usually it is used to pretend that something that is a religion is not.

I am actually surprised as you state that we should not eat animals and then accuse them for causing environmental problems.

As for me being pissed at a hippy vegan for not being what is claimed, I actually live in a passive solar eco house and drive only cars that get over 40mpg. Omg guess what? My business also helps donate to individuals in Rwanda and to planting trees. I have given more money to your stupid environmental cause than you have probably made in your entire life.

Oh and obviously you are not a well read hippy due to the fact that you do not understand corporations. Do you really think that business slowly decreases and then a company fails? If a company starts to fail investors pull out leaving the company bankrupt and the employees unemployed. I think it is cute when idealistic individuals try to pretend that dreams are a reality and that your so called perfect civilization will actually work when what you are claiming to do will actually eliminate millions of jobs and in turn hurt the environment as more land is farmed and more places polluted rather than just using a central large farm polluting in one area.

Oh yea have you ever lived near a farm? Do you have any idea what they smell like and the amount of pollution created by a small farm?

I get it you belong to a PAC and you are trying to make a rediculious point. But at the same time you still come off as a simple individual who only reduces the amount of driving they do and dosent eat meat? My god your people must worship you.

"I am actually surprised as you state that we should not eat animals and then accuse them for causing environmental problems."

This is what I don't understand about people trying to sound intelligent. If we ate less meat, they would breed (create) less meat in return. We should stop eating animals so they have less reason to breed them.

"Do you really think that business slowly decreases and then a company fails?"

Yeah. A business slowly decreases based on product demand. Then when the profits drop past the tipping point it fails or merges. That's kind of the point behind demonstrating a profit curve. It has been more prominent in the meat industry as larger corporations are able to sell meat for cheaper. You can go to the store and find tons of Tyson or Foster Farms, but very little Jennie-O and Cure 81... when it used to be the opposite.

"My god if you replace vegan with christian or any other religion I have heard that exact statement a million times."

Religion is something that somebody else has told you. It is something impossible to experience. Not eating meat is something you can do and see the direct result of for yourself. Everything about being vegan is based on something you can learn on your own in real life today. There is nothing that requires faith.

"My business also helps donate to individuals in Rwanda and to planting trees."

That is excellent, I commend you for that and I think it is wonderful. It just drives my point home, if you are willing to do so much then why not stop eating meat? oh, because that would make you a hippy and you cant have that. oh, because you think meat tastes good. That is what every argument comes down to, you don't have the will power and that's just sad.

"Oh yea have you ever lived near a farm? Do you have any idea what they smellm like and the amount of pollution created by a small farm?"

I live on a farm, that once had cattle.

"I think it is cute when idealistic individuals try to pretend that dreams are a reality and that your so called perfect civilization will actually work when what you are claiming to do will actually eliminate millions of jobs and in turn hurt the environment as more land is farmed and more places polluted rather than just using a central large farm polluting in one area."

You simply miss the point. In 1970, Americans spent 4.1 percent of their disposable income on meat and poultry. In 2004, they spent 2 percent. This means these same companies know their industry is dying. They can prepare to farm fruits, veggies, nuts, beans or they can die out. Or, as I have mentioned earlier, they can charge less than everyone else and bump all the other companies into their own. How many farmers do you think have lost their lives due to these corporations? Many more people than they now employ and that's for damn sure.

"you still come off as a simple individual who whaty reduces the amount of driving and dosent eat meet? My god your people must worwship you."

What does that even mean? hahahahahaha
I'm gonna take a guess and give you this answer:

NOT EATING MEAT IS THE EASIEST OF MANY THINGS I DO TO HELP

Research the NRDC.

Oh yea you are a religion due to the fact that you support morals which are not required by social laws or customs and since you try to convert individuals. You also eat only vegetables which could be considered ritualistic. Many vegans also use the Bible and other religious texts to support their arguments. Maybe you are not a registered religion but you certainly fit the definition.

Okay so you are a murderer because you kill when you do not have to. You are also a religion because you eat the meat after you kill it and that is ritualistic. Then, you harass someone for cutting something out of their life that benefits our society, animals and our planet.

Maybe you are not a murderer or a religion but you fit the profile.

And you ARE an idiot.

P.S. - Vegans don't only eat vegetables.

So you are a PAC.

Actually, it's funny you say that. I was a vegan for two years. However, I discovered that my body worked a lot better when it receives small amounts of meat. No, I don't eat a ton of meat; I don't even eat meat every day.

In your easy-overview of business, you forgot to mention other variables within companies such as stockholders, bond holders, government investors...When a company starts to fail, this funding is pulled from the company. This means that the company will start to close, quickly.

I understand that you work for a political organization, but don't attribute random statistics to social behavior. There are still far more individuals who eat meat than don't. Humans started eating meat when they first evolved. Monkeys ate meat before humans evolved. My dog eats meat, my skunk eats meat, and, actually, almost every animal we own on our 2 acre property eats meat. Obviously, something in nature is telling us something.

You're absolutely right - a religion comes down to personal experience. Some people experience God during near-death scenarios. Others may use hallucinogens to induce "god like" experiences. I experienced being a vegan. Many others I know have as well, and none stuck with it. Depriving one's body of necessary vitamins and minerals is certainly not worth the life of a few animals.

Do you realize that people die every day? Do you realize animals are consumed in the wild every day? Do you understand that others have the choice to eat meat without an individual like you telling them some b.s. they heard at a political meeting?

If you care about the environment, maybe you should focus more on air and water quality rather than trying to spout an idealistic way of life to which most will not conform.

Small farms are great, and they are certainly the best places to get meat and fresh foods, however they simply will never compete with large farms due to the sheer fact that large farms will offer organic meat if this becomes a large sector of their consumer market. However, as we all know, this meat will certainly not be as 'organic' as people would like.

As far as the business aspect goes, I've discussed this option in countless business classes as I was earning my MBA. I also started two successful corporations, which also are politically involved, so I'm aware of the spiel you're sending.

Do you by any chance post on this site as a political advertisement for the NRDC?

I don't actually kill it, so it's not ritualistic. However, cutting certain sections out of one's diet is ritualistic.

I, of course, am talking about Lent, Ramadan, etc.

Am I a murderer? Maybe. But I would rather live as a human being and stick to the natural order of things than reduce my diet to save a cow or a chicken.

You didn't even address the fact that it makes many people feel sick. You did not address your political advertisments (I looked at nrdc.org).

If you have forgotten, you're the one telling people to stop eating meat. I could give a shit what you eat. Have a blast being vegan, and I'll have a blast eating my all inclusive diet. As a matter of fact, in order to salute this conversation (I was going to eat a salad, but...), I'm going to go have a burger right now. And, I'll eat another piece of meat for every response you make. Who's the idiot now? lol (joke)

I think that human beings are more important than animals due to the fact that I am one. My fundamental issue I would say is that the extreme focus on issues such as veganism at a time when so many human atrocities are occurring is absurd. I choose to focus my energy on the preservation of environments and the alleviation of human suffering. It seems like more of a luxury for an individual to be able to preach not eating meat right now while people in our own country and elsewhere are suffering or starving.

It's also forgotten that many farms in the U.S. choose to produce meat due to the fact that their soil does not permit vegetable growth. Many of these people would lose their farms if made to stop or decrease production of meat.

I still don't eat there...not only is it likely cooked with decidedly non-veg grease on a meaty surface, but money going into any company that makes it's profit from dead cows is money poorly spend - veggie burger option or no.

I asked and they microwave it. But probably still in some grease. I'm vegan so I don't eat it because it contains dairy. It's still better for the Earth than a burger of meat.

True! And I'm glad it's an option...I only wish there were a vegan fast food chain out there. You know an idea is catching on when it's sold to the masses...

That's ridiculous. just because the patty is made of non-meat it does not mean it is climate-conscious. Big Agriculture farms are horrendous in terms of growing, fertilizing, transportation, fueling those massive machines, waste, etc, etc. Where do you think a chain that doesn't believe in global warming get its veggies from??

I do agree that factory farming is also incredibly bad for everyone, so no qualms there.

The animals farting and burping alone is worse than all vehicles, including ships and planes.

In the world.

kill the cows...the methane gas in their waste pollutes the earth. everybody should do their part and eat a nice hearty burger tonight.

Yeah so next time they will raise even more, very logical.