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VIDEO Canadian Healthcare Is Cracking - Multiple Months Waiting List Just To See A Doctor

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John Stossel investigates Canadian Government Healthcare

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  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  

    • Reading the Fine Print in the Health Care Bill
      July 31, 2009 by Phyllis Schlafly
      The House Democrats' health care bill is entitled "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009." No clue is given as to how long we will have a choice, but it will probably be only until the "public option" chases private insurance out of business.

      The bill's subtitle states its purpose as health care for everyone, reducing "the growth in health care spending," "and for other purposes." Note that the goal is not to reduce spending but only the "growth" in spending, and we need to worry about the "other purposes" that will be added by the bureaucrats' regulations.

      The bill states that health-care benefits require "shared responsibility among workers, employers, and the government." That means the government will force all taxpayers to pay for health care for millions of people who don't now buy insurance because they don't need it, or because insurance doesn't cover what they do need. (p.5)

      The bill states that the government will investigate "self-insured employers not being able to pay obligations. " Government agents will audit and then harass small business owners to force them to pay for insurance they cannot afford. (p.22)

      The bill provides for optional "nurse home visitation services" without specifying who has power to exercise the option. Among the various purposes listed are "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies" (this reminds us of China's policies to reduce childbirth by married couples), reducing "child abuse, neglect, and injury" (giving more authority to the already too powerful Child Protective Services), and promoting school readiness (will homeschooling be scorned?). (p.768)

      The bill covers family planning. Those are well-known code words for taxpayer-funded contraception and abortion, and will impose mandatory coverage of abortion on demand in all health plans. (p.772)

      The bill provides for "culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services," and "shall give priority to applicants that have developed partnerships with community organizations or with agencies with experience in language access." This opens up plenty of funding for health and translation services for illegal aliens. (pp.405 & 407)

      Title II of the bill creates a "Health Insurance Exchange," pretending to be a marketplace for health insurance plans. Of course, so long as the "public option" is subsidized by the taxpayers, it can always undersell private plans. (p.72)

      The government will specify the health benefits that must be included in any plan participating in the Health Insurance Exchange. If all private plans must include all government-specifie d benefits (which will surely include benefits unwanted by many people and will inevitably drive up costs), whatever happened to choice? (p.84)

      Anyone who does not enroll in an Exchange-participat ing plan will be "automatically enrolled under Medicaid." The government will thus use force to achieve its goal of universal coverage. (p.102)

      Employers will be subjected to a play-or-pay mandate. Those who do not provide health insurance to their employees must give the government a "contribution" equal to 8 percent of average wages paid. (p.149)

      Seniors must submit to "advance care planning consultation" (a.k.a. end-of-life discussions) every five years, or more often if there is "a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury." Will these consultants advise seniors to hurry up and die because they are costing too much money? (pp.425 & 429)

      Government bureaucrats will conduct "Comparative Effectiveness Research" to decide the effectiveness of treatments and drugs. That is the exotic label for rationing and, as House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-WI) ad

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  

    • what a load o crap.
      No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
      Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history. ---yeh now it will be the gubmint denying you care.

      No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays ---- yeh the exorbitant cost will come thru it's toll on the economy as small businesses and and corps foot the bill.

      Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses. -- yeh this will cause them to get out of the business, except for the couple that are teamed with the gubmint in this fascism.

      No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill -- yeh the gubmint will cover the cost of a doctor to help you kill yourself.

      No Gender Discrimination -- yeh now the discrimination will be against the elderly who wont be deemed worthy of treatment.

      Insurannsurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive. -- the gubmint has reserved this right for themselves and have it written in the bill.

      Guaranteed Insurance Renewal --- there will be no place else to go.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  
    • montesooma:

      Thank you! I was LOL when I read that.

      HR 676 will make the skies blue with white puffy clouds and there will be rainbows.

      I mean seriously are there really people this stupid? Did she get this from Obozo's propaganda speeches? I mean seriously I am LMAO!

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • HR 676 would institute a single payer health care system by expanding a
      greatly improved Medicare system to everyone residing in the U. S.

      HR 676 would cover every person for all necessary medical care including
      prescription drugs, hospital, surgical, outpatient services, primary and
      preventive care, emergency services, dental, mental health, home health,
      physical therapy, rehabilitation (including for substance abuse), vision
      care, hearing services including hearing aids, chiropractic, durable
      medical equipment, palliative care, and long term care.

      HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. HR 676 would save hundreds of
      billions annually by eliminating the high overhead and profits of the
      private health insurance industry and HMOs.

      In the current Congress, HR 676 has 85 co-sponsors in addition to Conyers.
      Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has introduced SB 703, a single payer bill
      in the Senate.

      HR 676 has been endorsed by 555 union organizations in 49 states including
      130 Central Labor Councils and Area Labor Federations and 39 state
      AFL-CIO's (KY, PA, CT, OH, DE, ND, WA, SC, WY, VT, FL, WI, WV, SD, NC, MO,
      MN, ME, AR, MD-DC, TX, IA, AZ, TN, OR, GA, OK, KS, CO, IN, AL, CA, AK, MI,
      MT, NE, NY, NV

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • THE SECURITY YOU GET from health insurance reform:
      No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
      Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
      No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays
      Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
      No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care
      Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
      No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill
      Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.
      No Gender Discrimination
      Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
      No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage
      Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
      Extended Coverage for Young Adults
      Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
      Guaranteed Insurance Renewal
      Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  

    • More horse shit by rockgoods. All the debunking on the hand picked lines out of a bill that is not final have been debunk on a special website that you will not get from me because I know your a right wing hack just sent to hound the true debate quit telling lies nobody here likes a lyar.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • kennymotown:

      your the idiots the list of the World Health Organization
      show we do not have the best health care
      and you aren't trying to get rid of the VA or medacaid and medacare or the goverment run plan
      that senators and congressmen have.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  

    • rockgoods if government run Healthcare system is not the answer and so horrable then
      why don't vetrens tell horror storys
      about how the goverment is geting between
      theme and there doctor and old people arn't
      taking forever to get care under medacare
      there no horror story about medacare
      Roneld Ragen said medacare was socialist
      in the 60's but when he took office he did not try
      to get rid of it red tape what about all the red
      tape that comes with the Healthcare companys no one is say it's governments responsiblity to take care people
      people need healthcare from some where if they cant
      afford it what wrong with get in to personal lives
      the GOP didn't mind when Bush got in to peoples
      personal lives when Bush was wiretapping people
      and desideing that gays dont get the right to mary.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  
    • macfan:

      There are horror stories. Besides I said America has the best medical care in the world. I did not say the best Healthcare system. there is difference. But I am not going to explain to you anymore. You choose to not read the things I say. You choose to believe the propaganda from the left. It is sad.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • macfan:

      he he mac -- you missed the point. THERE ARENT 50 MILLION people without health insurance. The numbers that you and the messiah and the other propangandists are spouting ---ARE PHONY NUMBERS

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      I don't think Obama is a messiah
      there somethings i don't like about Obama
      like wiretapping but even if there aren't 50 million
      with out coverage which you can't
      prove otherwise there are still hundreds
      of people loosing coverage every day because
      of a pre-exsting coition and thousends
      die because they can't afford there
      are people with early on set Altimeters
      that had to choose between some medicines
      because they can't afford all the medicines
      they need.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  

    • No one said things don't need fine tuning. Hey I have a solution and it is pretty complicated. It doesn't involve the Government, the President, or even the Congress. Hold on it is real hard to comprehend...

      ...FREE MARKET HEALTHCARE! Wow! that was hard.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • rockgoods:

      yeah the are't they grate the
      way they deny your coverge
      we all ready have FREE MARKET HEALTHCARE!
      not every thing has to make profit it life and
      death it should not be a market and if
      FREE MARKET HEALTHCARE is working
      so well why are 50 million americans
      with out coverge and why are thounds of
      american loseing there coverg it's not you
      and doctor that deside is the healthcare company
      and your other you keep going about ACORN
      don't you know John McCain talked at a ACORN
      rally in 2000 oh so John McCain is racist agenst
      white people that make sense right LOL

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • rockgoods:

      LOL mac --- you bought the propaganda of the left.
      12 million of your "50million" happen to be illegal aliens.
      another few million are millionaires who pay for their own medicare and don't need healthcare insurance.
      And yet another few million are young people who don't wanna buy it because they feel invincible.
      And yet another few million are people who are between jobs and dont have healthcare insurance (at the moment).
      This is what progressive do -- they bring out an endless parade of "crisis" to dupe or scare the american people into letting them take over and grab more power for the federal govnment.
      Unfortunatly many people like yourself are gullible and believe their bunk and will readily hand over their freedom and individual choice to a bunch of corrupt beauracrats. Do you really want these people telling you wheather or not you can receive life saving medical care? WISE UP!

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  
    • rockgoods:

      You are so right montesooma Mac knows nothing about our healthcare or any other countries for that matter. i can't even debate who ever he/she is. What a drone.
      A government run Healthcare system is not the answer, any and everything the federal government gets involved in is flawed big time, costs way to much money ( oh, by the way we don't have the money)and gets tied up in so much beauracracy and red tape that NO one and even the writers of the plan can figure out anything it says...Perhaps you want this healthcare because you feel it is the governments responsiblity to take care of you, that is just what they are hoping for, the more dependant the people are on the government the more control the government has on everyones' personal lives. I personally want less intrusion by the government and my medical records are between me and my physician, they can BUTT out.
      And I would just like to add that when President Obama, "lovely" wife Michelle, two daughters and Mother Ribinson sign up for HR3200, as their only insurance, why do they cram this ration of feces down our throats?

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  
    • rockgoods:

      Mac-We do not use free-market healthcare, where have you been? The healthcare system is being dragged down by decades of government-imposed mandates, wasteful bureaucracy, and massive distortions in the US tax code that punish self-employed and low-income workers. This might be hard for a liberal drone like yourself to understand but here goes...We can reduce costs and improve the quality of care by increasing competition. We can do it through tax cuts, not tax hikes. We can do it by empowering patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats. Instead of being more like Europe, we need to be more like America.

      America has the best medical care in the world. People come here from around the world to take advantage of our path-breaking medicine and state-of-the-art treatments.

      If millions of people go into the marketplace looking for less expensive health insurance, it will drive the insurance companies to create less expensive products that meet individual needs instead of government mandates. Americans should have the option to buy health insurance similar to their auto insurance -- covering major costs while leaving decisions about minor expenses to the consumer -- while those happy with their current coverage can keep it.

      Empowering people with real choice will improve markets and lower premiums. Expanded tax-free Health Savings Accounts could be used for insurance premiums, deductibles, and other expenses. With more flexibility and individual control, Health Savings Accounts can become a major source of tax-free savings and security for America's middle class. As savings are created and there are reductions in the cost of health insurance, we will develop a new health insurance credit for low-income individuals and families so they can purchase private insurance tailored to their needs. We need to empower individuals, not the government. States should be empowered to meet benchmarks regarding the affordability of insurance options and the availability of preventive care. The result will be a healthcare system focused on wellness, not just sickness. And if a state insists on expensive mandates that keep healthcare options unaffordable, we will open the state insurance market up to interstate commerce so their citizens can shop for insurance options in other states.The future of America's healthcare system lies in free-market solutions, not socialist models. We can increase individual choice and decrease costs by increasing competition, encouraging innovation while always compassionately caring for people in need. That's the American way to reform healthcare.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • rockgoods:

      America has the best medical care in the world
      the the World Health Organization dosen't
      think so. people want to find less expensive health insurance but right now it dose not exsist
      the healyh care insurance companys only care about money.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • rockgoods:

      12 million is not all of 50 million
      no one can prove 12 million
      of those are illegal aliens
      becuse they would be de ported
      and how could there millions
      rich people few million are young people who don't wanna buy it because they feel invincible um
      i don't 38 million feel invincible your the one
      listening to propaganda demacrats are scare the american people the GOP are ones that talk
      like we are all going to it dose not matter what
      you and doctor talk about if the healthcare company
      drop your coverge.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • rockgoods:

      rockgoods if government run Healthcare system is not the answer and so horrable then
      why don't vetrens tell horror storys
      about how the goverment is geting between
      theme and there doctor and old people arn't
      taking forever to get care under medacare
      there no horror story about medacare
      Roneld Ragen said medacare was socialist
      in the 60's but when he took office he did not try
      to get rid of it red tape what about all the red
      tape that comes with the Healthcare companys no one is say it's governments responsiblity to take care people
      people need healthcare from some where if they cant
      afford it what wrong with get in to personal lives
      the GOP didn't mind when Bush got in to peoples
      personal lives when Bush was wiretapping people
      and desideing that gays dont get the right to mary.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  

    • Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission will be penalized.

      Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government dictates what Doctors can make and how much they can own.

      Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt mandates hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

      pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input and approval is required. Can you say ACORN?!!....rick k

      Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Rationing

      Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc . Forcing people into the Govt plan.

      Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs persons for care. Can euthanasia be far behind for "undesirables"?...rk

      Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

      PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Euthanasia and Doctor-Assisted Suicide.

      Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, and assume power of attorney of all enrollees< /STRONG>. Mandatory!

      PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death decisions to end your life.

      PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program to mandatory end of life programs. The Govt will mandate how your life ends.

      Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates

      PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER to initiate end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV to terminate a life.

      Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

      PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

      Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

      Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like AC ORN?

      PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means government will now be involved in marriage and family decisions.

      Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

      Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.

      http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...acre-bill.html

      great bill.. that will would be the most encompassing act of tyranny ever in the history of these United States.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  

    • because I am getting annoyed reading the shit that is being spued back and forth here is some highlites of the bill foyou pro National Healthcare people

      Pg 22 of the Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

      Pg 30 Sec 123 of bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you receive.

      Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED.

      Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your Health care Benefits for you. You have no choice in the decision.

      PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - Healthcare will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

      Pg 58 - Govt will have real-time access to individual finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued.

      Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for direct funds transfers.

      PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

      Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating a Healthcare Exchange to bring private healthcare plans under Govt control.

      PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Healthcare plans in the Exchange

      PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics for Benefit Levels of Plans = The Government rations Healthcare based on cost benefits to government.

      PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriation services or translation services for illegal aliens.

      Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups like ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt Healthcare plan

      PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

      -PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid.

      pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" allowed against Govt monopoly

      pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Govt will dictate what wage you are allowed to make. (Wage limits).

      Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employers MUST enroll their employees into the public option plan. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE, and neither do the employees.

      Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay premiums for every employee, part time employees AND their families as well.

      Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with a payroll of $400,000 will have an 8% tax levied on all payroll.fyi... about 4-12 employees...rk

      pg 150 Lines 9-13 Employers with payroll between $251,000 & 400,000 who does not provide in full, the public option, will have a 6% tax on all payroll levied.

      Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC coverage according to Govt mandate, will be taxed at 2.5% of their income for healthcare. So, you will have government healthcare coverage, or you will be punished.

      Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

      Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have total and complete access to ALL your personal financial, bank and investment information.

      PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

      Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid, Seniors, low income, and poor.

      Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Wages for all doctors will be made the same. Specialists like Brain Surgeons will make the same money a General Practitioner makes.

      PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Doctor's time. Govt. decides value of humans.

      PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

      PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

      PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

      Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

      more to come...

    • 2 years ago
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  

    • You really should go back to school and take some classes in Journalism or Communications.

      This article is closed because:
      1. The title is bias and deceiving to the public.
      2. The article started as a lie and probably will finish with someone from the health care industry trying to weak your will lobbying on the Universal Health Care Issue.
      3. No serious news editor will ever air or take in consideration bias discussions

      Do you understand now why this article is closed?

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
  • macfan
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      macfan  
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    • if americas health then why dose the World Health Organization rank so low on there lis

      1 France
      2 Italy
      3 San Marino
      4 Andorra
      5 Malta
      6 Singapore
      7 Spain
      8 Oman
      9 Austria
      10 Japan
      11 Norway
      12 Portugal
      13 Monaco
      14 Greece
      15 Iceland
      16 Luxembourg
      17 Netherlands
      18 United Kingdom
      19 Ireland
      20 Switzerland
      21 Belgium
      22 Colombia
      23 Sweden
      24 Cyprus
      25 Germany
      26 Saudi Arabia
      27 United Arab Emirates
      28 Israel
      29 Morocco
      30 Canada
      31 Finland
      32 Australia
      33 Chile
      34 Denmark
      35 Dominica
      36 Costa Rica
      37 United States of America
      38 Slovenia
      39 Cuba
      40 Brunei

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      An unhealthy nation HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS HEALTHCARE. Do you think America's reputation as the fattest, laziest, most fast food dependent nation in the world has something to do with the rankings? Being unhealthy is far different from having lackluster medical care. Go spin your propoganda somewhere else.

      Besides, if Canada or France has it so much better, why hasn't there been an immigration movement from the US to obtain this wonderful healthcare you liberal loons preach about? Oh by the way, look where Canada ranks on your little list.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      Yeah Canada is 30th on the list
      but America is still 37th
      it's not much better than Canada
      but it has a better rank on the list.

      and this is the world heath Organization
      why would they lie

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      What about the fact that America is fat and unhealthy on our own...not because of our healthcare system? Can you answer that, or only the questions for which you can skew any information to prove your point?

      Our unhealthiness is not a result of our healthcare system, and you know it. It's a result of our lifestyles. You know, our reputation as a fat, fast food loving, lazy nation.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      this is a list of the best heath care system
      not countries with healthiest people
      people aren't fat because heath care
      i know but not every person gets there
      heath care droped because they are.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      For one...your data is almost 10 years old. For two...if all these countries have such superior health care, why don't you go there? Why must to Democrats completely overhaul a system that works for 80% of the population, and use taxpayer money to satisfy the wants of the other 20%...most of which don't even pay taxes? Who gave the government the power to overtake healthcare at the expense of taxpayers?

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      because people are loosing
      coverage every day and
      people are getting their health
      plan droped from health companys
      all the time and we have not change
      anything the past 10 years
      so it's safe to we are not number one now
      and if it works for 80% then why do 76%
      of ameracans want a public option
      unless we should tell 76% of ameracans to
      move to other countrys
      if the health care in every other country is so horrible then why don't you go to those countrys and see for your self and ameracans say they are willing to pay more taxs
      for cheaper health care and if the Republicans in senate
      and congresses don't like goverment run health care
      maybe we get rid of the health care plan that they get from
      the goverment and the VA is a goverment run health care
      plan should we get rid of that to or end medacad and medacare and some people say it will cost to much
      but the cost of medacare will be un controllable in the future.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      Your statement is so loaded with made up statistics and propoganda that it's not even worth my response.

      But I will make this point...If the healthcare plan is such an overwhelming "want" of so many Americans, why are the Democrats (who don't need a single vote from Republicans to push their nightmare of a plan through) having so much trouble getting the job done? You say 76% want a public option...but I'd bet that 70% don't know what public option means other than "free health care for all." Obama has admitted himself he hasn't read the bill, so he doesn't even know what's in the plan he's trying to sell to Americans. Doesn't that make you feel the least bit uncomfortable?

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      it any where between 72% and 76%
      and you say 70% yeah that still most people
      it's not free healthcare for it's a
      plan for people who afford one
      and some Democrats may not
      vote for it because health care companys
      are giving them money.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      You don't think it's free healthcare? Are you blind? Open your freaking eyes and see that this whole program is aimed at those who don't have or can't afford health care. Can we assume that a majority of these people are in the lower income categories? This will be funded entirely by taxpayers. That said, 40% of working Americans don't even pay federal income taxes because of their income level...not to mention the unemployed and illegals who will also be covered by this plan. The working taxpayers are funding this nightmare of a plan aimed specifically at the poor. When will America see that these programs all fail in our country. Look at government housing, medicaid, social security, etc. They're targeted at the poor...but they're all bottomless pits of corruption funded by taxpayers.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      So taxpayers will not only pay for healthcare for themselves, but now they're being forced to subsidize health care for those who don't have it. Does that seem fair to you? I earned mine...why does someone who has done nothing to earn it get the same privelege I do, especially at my expense?

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      you don't get harder they some
      low paying job and there are people
      that have a job and still can't afford it
      what people who have a pre-existing
      condeshing haveint earned it
      people should not have to earn it it's
      a humen right.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      it's only considered a human right to those who don't have it. that's the excuse for not wanting to earn it.

      obama sold this country on "hope for change." hoping for change is an excuse for not trying.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      people loseing there healthcare
      for haveing a pre-exsesting
      condetion there are people that
      work so hard and still cant afford
      it where do people that are poor
      becuse there lazy no matter how
      hard you work people still get payed the same
      omont of mony.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  
    • macfan:

      That is why we need more government regulation....not socialized medicine. The government has the power to restrict insurance providers from resfusing treatment for pre-existing. They have the power to control the costs of coverage to the consumer (see the oil industry). They have the power to regulate the industry to protect the consumer. That is the role of the government...to protect, not to provide. There is a way to fix the healthcare system...a socialized medicine plan aimed at the poor, funded by the taxpayers is not the answer.

    • 2 years ago
  • macfan
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      macfan  
    • macfan:

      the role of the government is to protect, not to provide
      then i guess we should get rig of public schools,fire department, police,postal service
      and library's.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • I never said it was cracking...I was just refuting your original stance that Canadian-style healthcare was the way to go. I used the cancer survival rate as evidence that America's is effective from a treatment standpoint.

      I don't disagree that reform is necessary...however I strongly disagree with Obama's proposed plan.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • Letch, That does not mean Canada's healthcare is cracking. If it does the fact that Cuba has a higher score than us in one segment must mean ours is in the sewer.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • Marilyn...

      Did you not read what I copy/pasted from the same article? You post general statments like "Canada ranked near the top." I read into it and found the facts, and even posted them for you to read. THE US HAS A BETTER SURVIVAL RATE. What more do you need?

      "The U.S. has a five-year survival rate in all the cancers studied of 91.9 per cent, while Europe's is much lower at 57.1 per cent. The range of survival rates across the five provinces was quite narrow, from a low of 79.3 per cent in Nova Scotia to a high of 85.4 percent in British Columbia."

      You liberals are nuts and will believe anything, as long as it aligns with your political views. Read the facts.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  

    • Jon Stossel, that explains everything this guy has been bought and paid for by the insurance company's. Relax everybody stossel has been lying for years about whatever topic somebody is willing to pay fro him to lie.

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • Can't handle someone with an opposing view, huh? Besides, who the hell made you the boss of this article? Go bother someone else.

    • 2 years ago
  • stopnoise
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • stopnoise...

      Are you waving the white flag? You can't even defend your beliefs or let Marilyn defend her fabricated facts from the article she posted in attempt to prove me wrong.

      Your comment "We all know the Canadian Health Care it is better for so many reasons" is a perfect example of the ignorance displayed by the left. You need to lose the infatuation and emotional attachment to and everything he's forcing down our throats. Look at the facts, then decide. Or just pack it in and run when someone disagrees with you.

    • 2 years ago
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  

    • Marilynn do not respond to this person! Let's close this article right here. This article it is dead! The title is a lie and misleading. We all know the Canadian Health Care it is better for so many reasons. Let's just leave it the way it is here so everyone can see how far some humans go to deceive and bully others. These type of individuals have no respect for themselves or others. Their brain it is just too small to understand anything else but their own selfishness. *This Article is Closed!

    • 2 years ago
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • Marilyn...

      Maybe you should read the whole article and not just the headline next time. These quotes are from YOUR OWN ARTICLE. You're proving my point for me...

      "The U.S. has a five-year survival rate in all the cancers studied of 91.9 per cent, while Europe's is much lower at 57.1 per cent. The range of survival rates across the five provinces was quite narrow, from a low of 79.3 per cent in Nova Scotia to a high of 85.4 per cent in British Columbia."

      Your own article says the US has higher survival rates than Canada...just as I said before. But keep up the good work...

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • mgerlach22
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      mgerlach22  

    • marilyn, angela...

      If Canadian health care is so supreme, why is their cancer death rate higher than in the US? And marilyn...if Canada's health care is so great, why don't you move there? I'm sure they'd love to have you.

    • 2 years ago
  • angelawest
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      angelawest  

    • LOL thanks for the vote of confidence, I should know not to care about what people say when I write about sensitive emotional issues on the internet. Food for the trolls, blood to a shark, etc. Sorry for the all caps and death wishes, peeps. I didn't mean to feed the trolls.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • angelawest, Ignore the idiots that can't even spell. The people that count are thankful that you and other Canadians take the time to refute the lies the trolls are spreading. Best wishes.

      "pouched" ?

    • 2 years ago
  • angelawest
  • bruno0182
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      bruno0182  

    • No more, BS stop the idiot Obama and his brainless congress. If this program even has a whiff of being voted on by the recess I can guarantee when the reprehensive representatives come home they will be pouched in the public squares. So let’s see how much pull the community organizer helper can generate with this fact upon is failing presidency

    • 2 years ago
  • angelawest
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      angelawest  

    • Um... Canadian here....

      I live close enough to the border that if it was necessary for me, or anyone else I know, to go to a US hospital we'd be going all the time. We never, ever do. I think there was one prominent case that is being used in the US media right now where this woman had to be treated at the Mayo Clinic for some reason - that is an extremely rare exception. My husband had a giant tumour removed from his chest, chemo, radiation, and two associated surgeries, right here in Canada. No charge. He's the kind of guy that if we lived in the US, he would have chosen to die rather than spend millions of dollars on health care. I am so blessed to live here and can't stand it when I see Americans dissing our health care system because they think it will stave off "socialization" of health care in their country, or whatever reason... I'm not even sure why you'd diss our health care system, to be honest.

      I hope the same thing never happens to any of you, but if it did, I'll bet you would wish you were living in Canada to get the exact same treatment you would down there (or in my husband's case, probably better) at no charge.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • angelawest:

      No i would not wish to go to canada because our care is far superior than yours.
      There is no such thing as "no charge", the canadian govment is paying the doctor a reduced fee and he has to take it or get out of medicine.
      Canadians would have to be downright stupid to go all the way thru medical school and become doctors and then practice medicine "free of charge"
      How many medical breakthroughs and research is going on in canada to make life better for the rest of the world?
      Answer ---none because there is no motive to do such things.
      Btw i don't believe your story.

    • 2 years ago
  • trut
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • angelawest:

      actually people die in all countries, everywhere it's just something that happens to things that live.
      The american way has postponed the deaths of untold millions who were poor, hungry and sick.
      The american people who benefit from the american way have sent their money and effort all over the globe in every catastrophe and epidemic that has happened since our existance.
      The american people continue to support illegals living here, lazy american freeloaders, and fat bloated wastefull govnment with elite politicians who want to tear our system down.
      The american way is to go to the defense of others, giving our lives to give others a chance.
      Don't even get me started...

    • 2 years ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  

    • All I've got to say is that that title is a complete lie. Garbage. I live in Canada. Currently. I just saw a doctor. I called and got an appointment the next day. What utter bullshit.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • quixotic12:

      The title says doctor. Not MRI. I was commenting on the title. Any major piece of equipment like an MRI is going to require an appointment at least a couple weeks in advance. They are in high demand. The fact of the matter is that this title is spreading lies.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • quixotic12:

      Monetesooma, what are you talking about, hospitals along the border? Are you talking about hospitals in the cities that are all close-ish to the border? Because that's where most large Canadian cities are, due to the huge amount of trade we do with the U.S. The proximity makes things cheaper. Plus the climate is better than going up north.

      Personally I know not a single person that has had to go across the border for treatment. Several of my relatives, unfortunately, have had cancer, MS, diabetes, glaucoma, you name it. Not one of them went south of the border for treatment. Our system is not perfect, but it works well for us. And know what the great part is? Everyone who needs treatment gets it.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • Those people aren't treated for free. The taxpayers pay for their treatment through welfare. They don't just pop in for free stuff, the doctors and hospitals bill the state.

    • 2 years ago
  • wsmeem
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      wsmeem  
    • Marilynn_Murray:

      Oh, I agree totally. This was all on taxpayer money. I just don't understand what the complaining, from the left, is about. Like I said, NO ONE gets turned away from Midland Memorial - and my friend, and her daughter, were delighted with their treatment. My husband grew up poor, put himself through college, and after many years started his own business. We have busted our butts to get where we are. I try not to be resentful of all the freeloaders that enjoy the generosity of our natiion - perhaps one day some will become contributing members of society. America is the most giving nation on earth but you won't hear THAT from liberals.

    • 2 years ago
  • wsmeem
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      wsmeem  
    • Marilynn_Murray:

      Marilynn, I agree, totally. The "freebies" are on the taxpayers. I just don't understand what the left has to complain about. At least here in Texas, NO ONE gets turned away. My friend's daughter, who received the prenatal checkups and hospital delivery, spoke "glowingly" about the experience. I try not to even think how much it is costing us, as a family. I just hope that all the people receiving the "free stuff" will work hard as my husband and I have, to "give back" to the most generous nation on earth. BTW, you won't ever hear a liberal describing our country like THAT. We only hear what a horrible place this is.
      wsmeem

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  
    • Marilynn_Murray:

      Have you ever read the notice on the wall at the hospital about treating people without the means to pay? It says that they are required to treat people with life threatening illness, they will stabilize you so you can go somewhere else. That is so generous.

    • 2 years ago
  • wsmeem
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • wsmeem
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      wsmeem  

    • America' healthcare system, based on free market competition principles isn't perfect but it sure as heck is better than most, if not all other systems. I have a personal friend who came to the U.S. from El Salvador can verify that her 19 year old unmarried daughter received free prenatal checkups, vitamins, and amazingly could even afford to have her baby at our top notch hospital here in Midland, Texas. Hospitals never turn away anyone here. My grandad was a doctor and never turned away anyone at his practiice in San Angelo, Texas. He just asked the people who were struggling to "pay what you can, and don't worry about it". And those people didn't have to wait 2-3 years to see him and even now, the people pooring in from across the border do not have to wait any longer than the next person. My friend from El Salvador will tell you. wsmeem

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  

    • bullshit? I tell you what is bullshit -- these progressive ideas that are being pushed.
      They usually end up with two victims 1.the person the govnment steals from to pay for them.
      2.the hopeless liberal koolaid drinker who becomes dependent on the govnment, not realizing he has given up what was granted by his creator and guaranteed by our constitution --his freedom -- yes he becomes a slave to the ruling elite. What a jagoff

    • 2 years ago
  • phoenixtoo
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      phoenixtoo  

    • I belong to a very large international support group for a serious illness. There are very many members from Canada, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand. All of these people have serious health problems and live in countries whose health care is a SYSTEM.No one, let me repeat, NOT ONE of these people that I regularly talk to has ever had trouble getting to see a doctor or get adequate care, on the other hand many in America of this group have had to wait 6 months or more for a neurologist,a person I know with a similar problem to mine had no money for a opthamologist and has lost much of her sight before family could scrape money together to pay for it, that never happens in any of those horrible socialist countries who spend as a nation half of what we do and with better measurable outcomes.Why don't you actually study and talk to people who know what they are talking about instead of parroting whatever crap some idiot ranting on a soapbox spews your way that tickles your ears. Morons believe what they choose to believe whatever fulfills their philosophy with no regard to reality.

    • 2 years ago
  • stopnoise
  • shanklinmike
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      shanklinmike  

    • I never started anything and I as simply pointing out your rudeness, not that my feeling are hurt. Your attacks only help show the lack of reason in my opponent's tone.

    • 2 years ago
  • adamsmithfreedom
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    • Proof you don't even listen to us. We have stated NUMEROUS times that we want to end the insurance's companies protectionism from the government and to increase patient choice through more competitive markets where goods and services are not price setting with negative externalities in order to lower prices. We need to get the pharm companies and insurance companies out of government, lawyers LOVE the idea of Political healthcare, which is what we have now, the end result of previous central planning. Other countries oversubsidize their healthcare leading to a lack of funding in other sectors. We can't even track money in our own government and I reject the notion that we should monopolize our health and privacy to the Federal bureaucrats and politicians. Until you see where we are today, you can't understand what needs to be done...we are now health fascists with big business in bed with big government......more government is not the correct course of action at this time....

      rightwing/leftwing.....blah blah blah.....

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  

    • It all boils down that people don't have the right to demand others to pay for their health care.
      It's not the american way, it is anti freedom, and it is just one more tool for the socialists to use in there unceasing endeavor to destroy america and freedom from the inside out.
      untold millions on the globe have benefited from the fruits of capitilism,freedom, and the charity of those who have participated in it. Those who claim to care about the people of the world are the very ones who will force everyone into equal poverty.

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • montesooma:

      those damn europeans and canadians and australians and south koreans and japs and their friggin socialism

      I'm totally with you

      (ha! not even if i was drunk as a skunk)

    • 2 years ago
  • div
  • div
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      div  
    • montesooma:

      a) you're being an asshole right now. that is not conductive to any argument you have to make.

      b) you're right, you're no good to anyone else if you don't take care of yourself first. key point being "take care of yourself." maybe you don't like the idea of paying for other people to be healthy. whatever, that's your prerogative. i honestly don't give a shit because i live in canada where i dont have to worry if i catch the sniffles.

      c) why the vitriol?

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  

    • Mike, the problem is you have yet to GIVE any examples of a different system. Or if you have I have missed them, my bad, repost please.

      I hear a lot of hysteria over a supposed socialist system (sad because it's not so people sound stupid) but i have yet to hear the right come up with any kind of decent alternative.

      maybe that's why they're failing so hard right now.

    • 2 years ago
  • rockgoods
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      rockgoods  
    • jh64487:

      That is funny, I guess you can't read. I gave an alternative about 6 posts up. Oh yeah you are a liberal drone with no thoughts.

      My posts to help you out-"Not only is so-called "universal health care" unconstitutional, it is undesirable. Free markets achieve much better results than government bureaucracy. Oppose the madness, and push for reform towards patient choice and private health care!"

    • 2 years ago
  • KeineReue
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      KeineReue  

    • you wanna know where the real problem lies... lack of staffing and lack of funding. My Mother is a canadian nurse. Her job she had been at for over 20 years was deleted when they got rid of the licensed practical nurses at her hospital and replaced them with Registered Nurses and nurses aides whose work loads were doubled. Most canadians in the medical field come to the united states because it DOES pay more , because they charge more. There are a lack of students training in specialized fields and trade skills nowadays, and this is affecting the entire continent. Having lived in both countries, I have to say healthcare in Canada was wayyyy easier and less expensive for me. The most expensive procedure I had in winnipeg cost me $1300. I have lived in the united states for 3 years, and with the unnecessary medical testing I had been recommended by my doctor to have since I moved here, I have rang up $10,000 in hospital bills. All test results showed nothing wrong with me. I am not a hypochondriac, I did not request the exams. I was told they were necessary and yet , every one of them showed no sign of trouble. Everyone has had their own experiences in the health care field, but in my personal opinion Canada's Health care is amazing. Lack of equipment and staff is what creates the waiting lists.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • Oh you do huh? You started insulting us and now your little feelings are hurt. Well, take a huge tube of Preparation H and slather it on your entire body, I'm sure you will feel better.

    • 2 years ago
  • shanklinmike
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      shanklinmike  

    • Why don't you just quit being an asshole. I respect others until they disrespect me. Just forget it, I don't want to lower myself to your level.

    • 2 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
  • shanklinmike
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • Yeah, Let's keep doing what we have been doing and expect a different result. That is called insanity.

      For those of you that aren't crazy how about we try something different?

      HR 676 would institute a single payer health care system by expanding a
      greatly improved Medicare system to everyone residing in the U. S.

      HR 676 would cover every person for all necessary medical care including
      prescription drugs, hospital, surgical, outpatient services, primary and
      preventive care, emergency services, dental, mental health, home health,
      physical therapy, rehabilitation (including for substance abuse), vision
      care, hearing services including hearing aids, chiropractic, durable
      medical equipment, palliative care, and long term care.

      HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. HR 676 would save hundreds of
      billions annually by eliminating the high overhead and profits of the
      private health insurance industry and HMOs.

      In the current Congress, HR 676 has 78 co-sponsors in addition to Conyers.
      Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has introduced SB 703, a single payer bill
      in the Senate.

    • 2 years ago
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