What should Obama do about North Korea?
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/world/asia/08korea.html?ref=us
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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton met Friday in Washington with Foreign Minister Yu Myung-hwan of South Korea.
The administration also said it was examining whether there was a legal basis to reverse former President George W. Bush’s decision last year to remove the North from a list of states that sponsor terrorism.
The reference to interdictions — preferably at ports or airfields in countries like China, but possibly involving riskier confrontations on the high seas — was made by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was the highest-ranking official to talk publicly about such a potentially provocative step as a response to North Korea’s second nuclear test, conducted two weeks ago.
While Mrs. Clinton did not specifically mention assistance from China, other administration officials have been pressing Beijing to take such action under Chinese law.
Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Mrs. Clinton said the United States feared that if the test and other recent actions by North Korea did not lead to “strong action,” there was a risk of “an arms race in Northeast Asia” — an oblique reference to the concern that Japan would reverse its long-held ban against developing nuclear weapons.
So far it is not clear how far the Chinese are willing to go to aid the United States in stopping North Korea’s profitable trade in arms, the isolated country’s most profitable export. But the American focus on interdiction demonstrates a new and potentially far tougher approach to North Korea than both President Clinton and Mr. Bush, in his second term, took as they tried unsuccessfully to reach deals that would ultimately lead North Korea to dismantle its nuclear arsenal.
Mr. Obama, aides say, has decided that he will not offer North Korea new incentives to dismantle the nuclear complex at Yongbyon that the North previously promised to abandon.
“I’m tired of buying the same horse twice,” Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates said last week while touring an antimissile site in Alaska that the Bush administration built to demonstrate its preparedness to destroy North Korean missiles headed toward the United States. (So far, the North Koreans have not successfully tested a missile of sufficient range to reach the United States, though there is evidence that they may be preparing for another test of their long-range Taepodong-2 missile.)
In France on Saturday, Mr. Obama referred to the same string of broken deals, telling reporters, “I don’t think there should be an assumption that we will simply continue down a path in which North Korea is constantly destabilizing the region and we just react in the same ways.” He added, “We are not intending to continue a policy of rewarding provocation.”
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mccartab
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mccartab:
Apparently Current is censoring this story along with any comments regarding it. Your comment will either disappear or be deemed under review and remain hidden.
I have heard no official comment from current on this story at all. Very curious to say the least.
- 2 years ago
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jay_ct
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cabinettags
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Kindly remember we are not the world's policeman.
Are you familar with the phrase, "tell them what they want to hear, and then do what you want to do?" This is an example. N. Korea, so far, doesn't really pose that much of a threat militarily. What threat they do pose is regional, not world wide. Their main threat is forcing others, namely Japan & possibly S. Korea, to keep up with them in order to maintain parity. We've seen one of those too, during the cold war.
Let the diplomats handle it. On occasion the lace panty crew can pull a rabbit out of the hat. Focus instead on getting China to help. China doesn't want to be perceived as being too far into the US camp. A the same time they have ever expanding ties with the west, and a desire to protect it. Not to mention they're in the best position to project influence. Without China on their side, N. Korea pales to a mouthy small with a big gun.
If we're so anxious to project ourselves, again, into the affairs of others, then let it be Burma. There, at least, the people would be for it. Those happy time jokers have kept a nobel peace prize winner, who incidently was elected leader of that country by popular election, under house arrest rather than turning over power. For what? 15 years? Longer? Elections, at least that's what they're calling them, are coming up again. And guess what? She's on trial again. surprise. surprise.
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jay_ct:
I noticed that. And experienced it. My post is "under review" My complaint unswered. STRONG complaint. Why aren't we being allowed to talk about Laura? She just finished getting the shaft. Is this a secret, or what?
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cabinettags
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cabinettags
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jay_ct:
In an addendum to the above: Not 10 min's ago there was a post about Laura. I was the first to respond. I did that 3 times. Got "Whoops - there's been an error." Sure has. Wasn't mine - save I was trying to post on a prohibited topic.
Guess what happened next? The post disappeared. hummmm......
Warning: leave us not get too froggy here; least it's noticed we're sneaking in under a different topic.
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cabinettags
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gen468
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What should Obama do about North Korea
Obama should do the same thing he is doing with the Mideast.
State that Korea has a right to nuclear power plants. As he did with Iran.
Quote what ever Holy book the North Koreans use. As he did in Egypt
Bow down and kiss Kims ass as he did with Saudi Arabia
State that America is the fifth largest Korean country in the world.
State that Koreans have been a part of American history for 300 years.
Make it clear that we are not North Koreas enemy and will make nice from here on.
Apologize about 200 times for the Korean war. - 2 years ago
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Ihatethemall:
I've posted it many times. I get it deleted every time.
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Ihatethemall:
I posted one 3 hours ago, and it's still up. Hopefully it stays up and goes on the front page of the site.
If it does get taken down, at least give us an explaination as to why we can't post the story.
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titan50
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balinhansen
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Sometimes I think 1984 was and still is about north korea.
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fairuser
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fairuser:
must be out of respect for the family or something. i tried to post when they were first taken and they would not post.
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fairuser:
I really don't get this either.
I don't see how pretending it never happened is respectful of their families.Seems very shady.
Perhaps someone with some balls at current would care to at least comment on why they will not comment. - 2 years ago
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fairuser
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fairuser:
Thanks jay_ct, that's exactly what I was thinking. I understand if there is some reason behind it and they cannot disclose it, but at least Current should come up and say something to the effect of "look, for x reason that we cannot explain so that we do not compromise the safety of our journalists, we will not cover the story" or whatever else they want to say. But please, say something! I feel really bad for those poor girls there, and I'm sure this is shared by most current viewers and readers. But avoiding the issue entirely is just weird at this point.
I'm glad at least that I'm not the only one puzzled by this. - 2 years ago
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brad62
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It's like living in communist Russia
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brad62:
no, it's not.
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brad62
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Every post I make is under review.
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joe_borfo
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Why can't some secret force just go sneak in there, find kim jong il, and then "take him out"? ... Seriously!
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vagrantaesthetic:
I agree! I searched all over current and there is nothing about her on here. Kinda messed up tbh. I hope she's ok.
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vagrantaesthetic:
There have been I and about 5 of my current friends trying to put up posts on her. But current will not let it be posted
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vagrantaesthetic:
Not to mention they were convicted today to 12 years in a labor camp. Interesting that there was a report done by Ms. Ling a while back and still no response from current about their imprisonment. WHY?
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akamaial [removed]
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For once Highr0ller, I agree with you...go figure...
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akamaial [removed]
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Highr0ller [removed]
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Obama should look at the nation's debts and realize America cannot afford to start new wars, and he needs to extract America from the present wars.
Iran and Korea....added to Iraq and Afghanistan .oops.
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96thdayofrage
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First of all, none of L'il Kim's high flying fireworks has made it further than the ocean right outside Korea. Even at that, it brought all the heat of my neighbor's kid setting off M-80s four and five at a time daily in the trash cans in the alley from the 30th of May until Labor Day every summer. In short, it's more an annoyance and a danger to L'il Kim than a problem for the rest of world.
L'il Kim is only acting out to insure his son Kim Jr inherits his dictatorship when he croaks, which looks to be about to happen pretty darn soon. The little pest is in horrible physical shape and obviously knows he isn't long for this mortal coil. Still, the people of Korea are a little leary of what all this holds for them once Dear Leader is gone and the little Prince inherits the wrath of the world his dad has spent a lifetime incurring against them. Sanctions are one thing, but the hatred and dread of an irritated world is a beast of a more dangerous variety, a fact that has not escaped a people for whom a coup d'etat is not a foreign notion. Knowing that, if I were the President, I'd just bide my time until L'il Kim departs this life, and Kim Jr is deposed in the coming coup.
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Liberal_Extinction
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Maybe obamessiah can deliver a personal fluffy bunny speech to little kimmie, promise him hope & change, and then apologize for America being America. Liberals seem to think it's working everywhere else.
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2hellnwait
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welcome to the wonderful world of biased and slanted selective and monitored topics here at current. . . you can say anything you want as long as they "agree".
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2hellnwait:
I don't even know how many of my topic suggestions and posts have been deleted. Even comments mentioning a specific incident which I will NOT name, at risk of having THIS deleted.
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2hellnwait
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Yeah queenofhearts, that will do it. . . Ahahahahaha
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Obama should invite Kim for dinner at the White House. They should have a good home cooked southern meal. And then go out on the back porch and drink whiskey and smoke cigs. Then convince the North Korean Dick that America will NOT stand for this rude behavior ! And if he says one sly remark...Obama should sock him in the nose !!!!!
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queenofhearts:
new defense secretary right here. it's a brilliant plan and i support it.
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NakedGoblin:
welcome to the wonderful world of biased and slanted selective and monitored topics here at current. . . you can say anything you want as long as they "agree".
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NakedGoblin:
They removed my posts too. It's really awful what is happening and a supposed news site is doing nothing to share this story of the people they should care about most.
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dwb2585:
It is becoming more and more obvious as time moves along that there is a core group of favorites that are in lock-step with 'current' and anyone outside of the "unspoken mantra" are censored at will.
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2hellnwait
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It's really not an easy situation.
Pretty much bottom line is that we need to go to war with them. But we're really not in any position to be doing that, and who knows how the region would actually react to that. South Koreans haven't exactly been very grateful for our presence or our military aid, they hold rallies against us all the time. Plenty of shopkeepers in Seoul hang signs in their shops that say "no Americans allowed."
But Obama is right, a policy where intimidation is continuously pandered to cannot last forever, especially when the result is just slowing down the inevitable.
Man, if Bush was going to start any bullshit illegal war, he should have started one there.
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Saladin
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Didn't we fought in the Korean War and made it into two countries one communist and the other non-communist. I do know in fact that this happened during the Cold War.
And if North Korea are not using outdated military weapons then were are the new ones? Where did they get support? - 2 years ago
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MinneapolisMafia
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He should follow the Constitution! LOL! We all know that isn't going to happen!
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I am pretty sure Obama will do nothing about N. Korea. He would be to worried about the far left peace lovers slapping him around. Besides if there are only two things Obama is good at...spending money and apologizing....He is such a good liberal.
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clownpuncher:
"far left peace lovers slapping him around"
I think there are plenty of Liberals that want Obama to take some kind of action with North Korea, me being one of them.
By the way, Obama cares too much about pleasing the right wing, not the left.
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brad62
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Maybe we should kiss, and make up with Russia. I'm sure they could help us out with No. Korea.
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blknight
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Nothing--which is what will happen.
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Hate to say it but I think we do have to at least try to work along side China on this one because China is the only country that kim jong il has any real relations with. Hopefully they can talk him down off the ledge. If they cannot, and military action becomes the only alternative, then the UN has to be in the lead. Not the US.
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chasingame
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@DonaldJude......Did you learn anything from Iraq or do you actually believe that just because GWB landed on an aircraft carrier that the war is actually over. It might only take four days to take out their military but these people are brainwashed. We would be tied up in the quagmire for a decade or more. Do you honestly think the US is financially, militarily, and psychologically in a position to commit to something like that.
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I don't know how to do this job.
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How long would it take the US military to effectively destroy the NKorean military? It took 4 days to destroy Iraq's, which was larger. Blowing apart every palace and military command post should only take a few hours. Why not just do it? We would be doing the NKorean people a favor.
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lvk104:
And why hasn't Al Gore made 1 comment about
sending 2 reporters to the North Korean/China
border? Why isn't there any comments from
Current TV about Euna Lee and Laura Ling?
What is wrong with Current TV? It's not current. - 2 years ago
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lvk104:
I agree...it's outrageous and changing my perception of Current in general. I think that current users in particular should be aware of this story, since it a tangential way it involves each and every one of us. This is supposedly our news organization. So who the hell is censoring it?
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AngryUser:
Thanks for posting this. I've tried to get it up in the "news" section but so far haven't been able to get through the "review" process.
Seems to me a news organization should allow the news. I can understand if it would jeopardize their safety, but perhaps the more people who know about it the more pressure there'll be in the US gov't to get them home.
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AngryUser:
Unfortunately this story will probably be deleted in 10 minutes for some reason.
Thanks for the censorship CURRENT!
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Kim Jong Il is a egotistical dictator that keeps the people of his country in poverty while he orders culinary chefs from Japan to be his personal sushi preparers. Our president cannot do anything when the leader of N. Korea is insane. Plain and simple--America gave them nuclear information and known it's biting us in the butt. We have no power in Asia except in Japan (which we bombed mercilessly in WWII).
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AngryUser:
Current speak out!!! stop censoring our replies,
go to facebook if you have been censored to discuss.http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=7923&post=37980&uid=60755553149#...
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BDiamond:
Absolutely! Post your comments here on facebook about being censored
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=7923&post=37980&uid=60755553149#...
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Something.
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Nothing.
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BDiamond:
Current needs to make a statement explaining the censorship
I too have tried to post the story
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N Korea is China's big Stick to keep US in place, till we deal with the Ball we dropped in Tienanmen Sq. 20 years ago that buggy man will keep getting stronger in our minds!
Freeleeling.
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it really is a difficult situation to handle...
if we are agressive towards North Korea then it could start a nuclear war.
If we do nothing then it can start an arms race for the world and we look like pushovers.
there's a hard decision that's going to be made but one thing is we can't reward north korea by going easy on them when they clearly don't deserve it. - 2 years ago
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This makes me so sad, I feel helpless... I want to go in there Rambo-style and take care of a few things, but I know we can't. What to do without starting a war?
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