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Southern Baptist leader prays for Obama's death

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Wiley Drake, Southern Baptist leader and Pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., has been praying for the death of President Barack Obama. Drake is a popular Christian radio host and the former 2008 running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes. In addition, Drake served as the second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006-2007.

Drake, widely known and admired in the Christian community for his ant-abortion and anti-gay activities, has been making headlines lately for his unusual brand of Christian witness. Recently Drake thanked God for the murder of Wichita physician George Tiller. Drake was widely criticized for his response to the murder of the heroic woman's health advocate and abortion provider. Drake stated on his Crusade Radio Program, "I am glad George Tiller is dead." He called Tiller “a brutal, murdering monster" and said he is "grateful to God" that the physician was killed. He also said, "This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler."

Clearly Drake does not shy away from bombastic rhetoric. As for his death wish for the President, Drake said in a recent interview on Fox News Radio that he is praying an "imprecatory prayer" against the president. Imprecatory prayers are prayers that ask for evil or misfortune. Asked whether he was seriously praying that the president of the United States would die, Drake said, "If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that's correct."

To be fair, the Southern Baptist Convention, representing countless Baptists, has distanced itself from Drake's obscenity. Yet the fact that this man has held such prominent positions within mainstream Christianity must be disturbing to the casual observer. How deep is the hate emanating from the Christian right? How many good Christians are praying for the death of our President? And aren't those prayers a tacit endorsement of the political assassination of President Barack Obama?
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48 comments // Southern Baptist leader prays for Obama's death

  • carmalite
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      carmalite  
    • I know many Christians who did not like GW Bush and werereally against the Iraq war, but not one of them ever wished him harm nor prayed for it. This seems to be a S. Baptist thing.

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
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      carmalite  
    • There is one in New Mexico or Arizona who has bested Rev. Wright in his hate speech . It was on MSNBC today. This guy has the assult weapon carrying Black man among his congregation and both were interviewed.
      The openely say they hate Obama and want him to die.

      I have never seen this in my life and I was a child when Kennedy was hated. It has never hit the brown shirt pitch within my lifetime. Especially among the clergy! I hope the FBI, Secret Service and others are on their toes doing their jobs.
      The IRS should look at their tax exempt status if they are going to practice politics and practice it with the intent of getting some freak to commit a crime...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Voiceofone
  • carmalite
  • SamuraiDave
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • I am amazed at some comments. True followers of Christ do not pray for the death of anyone. We pray for God's will to be done and we pray for the strength to accept his decisions. Obviously, Drake has strayed from the path of wisdom. As foretold by Jesus, "many will come in my name, as wolves,in sheeps clothing, to ravage my flock". A paraphase, but you get the message.

    • 2 years ago
  • titvol
  • titvol
  • bleem411
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      bleem411  
    • titvol:

      No I wondered why no one took him out but I never wished him dead. I wished him out of office. Wishing him dead would make him a martyr and I certainly wouldn't want that. Thought he did way more to contribute to the destruction of our country and it's reputation and wished someone would request his impeachment. Because a bj should never be a reason for impeachment and caused the tax payers money that we shouldn't have had to pay for vilification of a person because of his party. It would have been a lot cheaper to provide marriage counseling. Every politician lies and stretches the truth. A bj was not threatening our national security and made us look like a joke. Thanks to reps we continued it by getting kicked out of NATO...an organization we began then started a unjust war to distract us from another war that was dragging on.

    • 2 years ago
  • mr_tibbles
  • Ghost_in_the_Machine
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      Ghost_in_the_Machine  
    • titvol:

      How about lying to the American people? Does that count? Leading thousands of soldiers to senseless deaths should count.

      Yes, Clinton lied -- about his own private life that should have stayed private. Bush lied to everyone else and lives were lost because of it, yet and still, he served a full two terms in office. The hypocrisy there is blatant.

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • titvol:

      Dead, no. I never wished him dead. Cheney I wished dead on occasion, but GW Bush, no. I wish he had been impeached, or maybe tried for war crimes. But dead, I can honestly say I never wished GW Bush dead.

    • 2 years ago
  • mr_tibbles
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      mr_tibbles  
    • titvol:

      I'm not making a case for Bush. I agree that the man should have been impeached. But you said it yourself, Clinton lied, both to Congress and to the American people. Then he weaseled his way out of it and still, just as Bush did, served two full terms. This being my point, he deserved to be impeached.

    • 2 years ago
  • Voiceofone
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      Voiceofone  
    • titvol:

      Are you chocking on a gnat by now. See when you have a jacka** of a preacher that only preacher hate to low inform uneducated people all you do is bring up evil, your not doing God no favors dude. As far as any left wing people praying for the dead of anyone there to busy trying to free the mine of people like you who thinks this is okay to do. This man will send you to hell on a express train, In the Bible said " men shall call evil good, and Good evil" keep this in mine when you hear nut cases like this, when they pour out evil deeds

    • 2 years ago
  • netstorm2k8
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      netstorm2k8  
    • More Christian-bait trolling from Unimatrix. If anyone should understand that individuals are responsible for their actions alone, I think it would be Unimatrix.

      Furthermore, just because a fool claims a religion for his own, doesn't mean that he's any less a fool, or that he automatically represents that religion.

      Murder in the name of Christ is just murder. It was murder in the Crusades, it's murder now.

      God is quite capable of taking people out of the world at His leisure. He doesn't need soldiers. He wants sons.

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • this is what i'd like all the islamophobes to understand. there are psycho extremists in every nation, the only thing that separates this man and his followers from them pakistani militants is money and security and a fucking gov based on the separation of church and state (which they ironically want to annihilate).

      fundamentalists. we need to destroy them all (with education)

    • 2 years ago
  • Shadylady
  • malathion
  • timetide
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      timetide  
    • malathion:

      the ones in my town do.. at least i think thats them. theres 2 babtists churches in my town and they hate eachother. its kindof hard to remember which ones are the trailor hicks and which one runs the NA & AA program.

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
  • bleem411
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      bleem411  
    • Wow. Wishing someone's death is wrong. Being glad that a man was murdered for doing something that our legal system deemed justified is wrong. For a religious leader to profess to wish the death of our leader and then condone the murder of a man who believed what he was doing within the law is like asking every crazy religious nut in this country to just kill everyone and everything they don't like. That makes us no better than the religious zealots we are fighting overseas. Murder is just another form of abortion if you want to play semantics.

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
  • bleem411
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      bleem411  
    • bleem411:

      That's my point. We justify killing people for causes. Political, religious, punishment for crimes. My personal belief is that we choose to encarnate into this world and everything and everyone has a purpose but our choices can change another persons path as well as our own obvioulsy. Not allowing a woman the choice to have an abortion is taking away her value as a person, most women revel in the idea of being a mother. Some are selfish yes but most of the women having abortions are doing it for medical reasons, rape or child defect. We don't live in the time of Elizabeth Cady Stanton when we were considered 2/3rds of a person and we should have the choice of what to do with our person. Our children do not suddenly become the property of the state when we become pregnant. If our lives are at jeopardy it is a nessecary action to perform an abortion. Murder is still taking a life, yes, and is a choice someone makes. It's illegal because some people would wipe out the world if it was legal. But an abortion doctor isn't going around aborting fetuses because he hates babies.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ghost_in_the_Machine
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      Ghost_in_the_Machine  
    • bleem411:

      Words can't express how much I agree with this. The hypocrisy from people who would take away someone else's choice to validate their own is appalling.

      To say it's perfectly fine to kill an adult if it suits your purpose is far more wicked than anything done to spare the suffering of a child whose life would have been unimaginable pain due to malformation, not to mention, letting a child you can't financially support into the world only to have it left starving and stunted because you're unable to care for it, but insisted on keeping it.

      But it's perfectly alright to kill an adult, so long as we can say we were stopping some sort of evil.

      Evil is in the eye of the beholder.

      It'd be nice to see, as George Carlin said, all these anti-abortion activists putting their money where their mouths are and adopting all these children they advocate life for, implementing the care and feeding of children, not to mention paying their medical bills.

      It's more important to look good than to do good, obviously.

    • 2 years ago
  • Conniepae
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      Conniepae  
    • Where is the line? When is the line crossed? Who will be held accountable when some lunatic attempts to answer the ministers prayers? What happens when some crazy he is answering God's prayers?

      This is so dangerous. Are we going to allow these types of prayers to become sociably acceptable? Are we going to justify a prayer for murder? I think this guy should be held accountable if he openly stated a prayer for President Obama's death.

      He should feel shame!

    • 2 years ago
  • Conniepae
  • VoyagerFilms
  • Robroy1
  • bombastinator
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • Tiller as "heroic"? Something sick about a fellow who has an onsite crematorium and shows pictures of mother holding her dead baby in a moment of "remembrance" as well as "taking "fetal footprints" of a dead baby, (no, I won't use euphemisms) just like they do with live babies in hospitals. His website was pretty vile, and I don't see how any one can support infanticide. Tiller was no saint, but that hasn't stopped the far left from starting the canonization process!

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
  • Varex_Sythe
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • unclecharlie:

      The website was "drtiller.com" and no, you cannot log onto it anymore. I tried logging onto it after I heard of Tiller's death. It was taken down immediately after his death. It was complete with pictures, and it was pretty offensive. (esp. the photos of the mother holding her beet red dead baby wrapped in a receiving blanket, along with Mommy's good bye letter to her aborted baby)....

    • 2 years ago
  • MoonLoon
  • Varex_Sythe
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • unclecharlie:

      Hearsay? Ha! Ha! What would it benefit me to make these things up? Truth hurts. Look at anglczn. She had doubts about the Margaret Sanger quotes I gave her, but after I gave her the publications, date, place they are housed at, I never heard from her again- because she realized, she had no way to refute me. I did not have the thought to make a copy of the webpages, as I did not assume someone would kill Tiller. A California abortionist, Shelley Sella, employed by Tiller, is under investigation for murder, after she stabbed to death an infant born alive after a botched abortion. Tiller was no saint.

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • unclecharlie:

      Gee, if you are anti choice why would you make up things of a gruesome nature in order to further the movement to paint an abortion as an evil choice?

      The website said temporarily down, implying that it will be back up at some point. Until it is up again what you have is hearsay, nothing more, nothing less.

    • 2 years ago
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • unclecharlie:

      The truth hurts, doesn't it, Varex? When I mentioned Shelley Sella, all the sudden I'm making everything up. "It's true that abortion providers are perceived as not very good doctors. --that they have no alternative so they do abortions...they cannot earn a living any other way." Abortionist Richard Hausknecht, New York Times Magazine, 1/18/98 It seems your college professors did an outstanding job of brainwashing you. "Ignorance is bliss", eh?

    • 2 years ago
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • unclecharlie:

      Under investigation? Whoop de shit.

      There are people who have been under investigation for numerous things, some of them committed the act they were investigated for and some didn't.

      Some of the people that were innocent were found guilty, some of the people that were guilty were found innocent, but regardless we're putting the cart before the horse. It is an investigation. An investigation doesn't imply a prosecution. It implies that there is suspicion and the authorities are gathering evidence to decide if she should be prosecuted or not.

    • 2 years ago
  • BustYourFace
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      BustYourFace  
    • I think there's nothing to fret about. Prayer is useless.
      The article may as well say "Leader asks a cotton ball to do his bidding"

      He'd get the same result... However, at least the cotton ball actually exists.

    • 2 years ago
  • nyingma13
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      nyingma13  
    • People like this jackass Wiley Drake are clear and shining examples as to why this country needs to stop giving organised religion preferential treatment and tax them just like every other political bloc and/or special interest. These people have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the spiritual enlightenment of anyone. Rather, they are interested only in the survival of their organizations and the millions of dollars to be had from other ignorant asses who will support them.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • I am glad unimatrix brings this to light because , even christians need a little help with self examination . Or she wouldn't find so much self professed religious persons who contradict the teachings they claim to hold dear .

    • 2 years ago
  • justinleehodges
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      justinleehodges  
    • well..... this man, Drake, seems to be in need of another hobby. if he is so worried about our country's direction then he should show the love of Christ to all those he comes into contact with and pray for a new direction, not the death of another. this should be our only goal as Christians: showing the love of Jesus..... not this political bantering bull crap. it gets us no where. any man who would pray for the death of another is way off base.....and should be in no way associated with the teachings of Jesus. if we want change, then we need to begin within ourselves and then let it spread into the community..... arguing does nothing but fuel some of the disdain toward Christianity.....in fact, if i didn't know Jesus as my Savior i wouldn't want anything to do with the chruch or christians.......and that is just how bad the "church" has become..... it is just so hard to find true hope anymore for those that don't know Jesus. they see men like this guy who is supposed to be representing the Church say some of the most hateful and foolish things and i don't blame them for hating us......the one's who are supposed to be the light and showing the world hope and love are only spreading hate and conflict....what a true shame....Jesus would throw men like Drake out of the temple like he did the money changers......

    • 2 years ago
  • gen468
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      gen468  
    • the Southern Baptist Convention, representing countless Baptists, has distanced itself from Drake's obscenity.
      I guess this idiot is the Baptist equivalent to Obamas Rev Wright.
      I have the same question for baptest as Ieveryone had for Obama , why would you set an listen to this hate and stupidity and call yourself a Christian,
      So called Christian leaders such as this is why Christians must only put their faith in Christ and stop following and supporting Satan’s emissary’s planted in our midst.

      But the real question is why does Unimetrix0 seek out and post every negative and inflammatory article she can find on Christianity.
      Why is she obsessed with God and Christ if she is an atheist?
      I never seek out articles on atheism, they don’t concern me, live and let live.
      I am intrigued with her hate and deep disturbing obsession with Christianity.

    • 2 years ago
  • netstorm2k8
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • gen468:

      Uni, does this out of a deepseated pschyological need to be supported in her beliefs. It is similar to buying a certain brand of auto and then trying to convince all of your friends to buy that brand. It is a common well documented behavior; no one likes to be the "lone wolf".

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • IN some religions , what you pray for that harms others, comes back at you threefold . He is a hater and should be rejected by everyone . They do no real good .

    • 2 years ago
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