Sarkozy says Muslim burqas are 'not welcome' in France

It's kinda like how some women think porn is liberating, while some think it's not??

Guess what? "Liberating" is subjective in its application!

Arrey Bklamk I am saying that you are stupid, Sarkozy had no work, only the prosecution of women you alexandrek:
Hey, you want be an American, I do not think I will disappoint my American and I hate the fault of any person to personal and religious freedoms you alexandrek: I hope that not too much you empty.

I'm solidly with Delia and NoGodsNo Masters on this one.
A "free" society should back the hell off.

No government should have the right to tell anyone what to wear or not to wear. The only exception should be within public schools.

This is just another way to oppress women. If the woman wants to wear a burqa, let her. If she wants to wear a mini skirt, let her. Hell, if she wants to wear an eskimo jacket with booty shorts, let her. It is not the place of the government to be fashion police. I know it might shock Sarkozy to see women covering their body, being that his wife can't seem to wait to take her clothes off (and god bless her), but this presumably liberal policy is the oppression of womens rights none the less.

Why not just wear it as a fashion thing & nothing more or less , if you don't want to you don't have too !

So, because the Qur'an states nothing specific about wearing these, but the people who follow the Muslim religion believe it tells them to keep the body covered for both sexes, we are to ban them? Can anyone give me an instance where the Christian bible is interpreted to mean what they (the Christians) want it to? I think you can. There are too many to site. While I do not agree with the reason they wear them, I grant them their freedom to do so. This is religious repression.

I agree that it should be banned, particularly if they're out in public. When I was in retail I was unable to serve people if they were still wearing their motorbike helmet as it was taken as potentially suspicous. Same goes here in my opinion, their identity is hidden and should not be allowed.

Sarkozy has entered himself in the dilemma will not be able to get out of this stupid President dreaded cornered nose in something of personal freedom not to have to work (I'm sure will be hated the Arab and Islamic world, Sarkozy said this would be hampered interests in common with each other will be hated France

Banning a woman from being REQUIRED to wear a Burqa is fine. But Banning women who CHOOSE to wear the Burqa is evil and wrong.

wow!!!! I see that those athiests are pretty offended about this..

Religion, culture, whatever it is called, respect the ways of the people whose land you are living in.
Keep the coverings off the face. Many places recquire people to remove sunglasses and hats when entering. There is a reason for it. Robberies, kidnappings, etc.
While I do not like the idea of a camera watching every move I make while in a store, it is a fact of life.

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Highroller brought up a good point, many muslim believe in multiple wives, are western countries supposed to allow that too? Where do you draw the line?

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No..."when in Rome do as the Romans do". When I lived in Saudi I sometimes (rarely) covered up.....but officially I was supposed to cover....but I had a car and spent my time in the Diplomatic Quarter, Foreign compounds or among the women in Royal palaces.
However, I was not allowed to practice my religion in Saudi Arabia.

I was not supposed to drink (ha) and my British friends spent time in prison for running expatriate drinking establishments.

So...when in Rome do as they do in Rome......and if you can't uncover your face you are a security risk.....you could be a bank robber covering up, or a man hiding a lethal weapon under the robe.

Ban the Burqa.

Women seldom choose it.....a girls father chooses it, and in the event of his deatjh a girl's brother chooses it, and when she marries her husband chooses it.

As the women are taught to accept it they do not fight it....and usually it is about FAMILY HONOUR so it is a case of life and death.

Their men frequent our whorse houses and have their own wives and daughters covered up to protect them from our evil Western ways...................forgetting that only the most destitute are reduced to selling their bodies in our society.

Ban thw Burqa.

Ban plural marriage.

Ban plural marriage.

Moral imposition by government is a precursor to totalitarianism, no matter the intent. Don't you dare tell me what I can and cannot wear.

This will widely be seen as religious repression and I'm not sure it is wrong to say so. They are not forced to wear it any more than a hasidic jew is forced to wear earlocks, or a particular hat.

Islam is backward and unscientific...there are too many extremists in Islam, too many suicide bombers, too many anti-scientific idiots, most of the Islamic countries outlaw science like the theory of evolution, they repress women and persecute Jews and Christians....the Quran says to not be friends of Jews or Christians, says Muslims can wage "holy" war against Jews and Christians and behead Jews and Christians...the Islamic countries need to join the modern world, they need to modernize and liberalize or else it will end up between a culture war and maybe a war of civilizations, the backward culture against the liberal modern culture...

They live in dirt, eat goat rectum and ride camels, they're not exactly the pinnacle of modern technology. Tell them what to do and bitch slap them when they lip off.

Why not? ))) That`s because Sarko never seen Bruni in burqa =))))

The burqas are a security issue (period). Leave out the politics and it comes down to the countries security as well as the woman not to mention women who get sold into slavery. If a woman is covered from head to toe how will she ever be found? If a woman is forced to wear a burqa and it is banned in France because it is a security matter then that's reasonable. Let her wear it at home if her husband demands it. This world is too dangerous right now to allow people to hide under their clothes. Profilling is not right but it's a necessary action to provide safety for the innocent. You never know when someone with a vandeta will show up. Safety first. Of course we would have issues with someone showing up in a long black jacket but banning it would be shunned. However, there isn't anyone that doesn't get nervous when a man shows up wearing a long black jacket.

Sarkozy is being such a bigot. There's separation of church and state, and then there's Sarkozy's hardline anti-religion stance. His bigoted views of not just the burqa, but also Islam in general is not going to ease tensions in the country. It only serves to make things worse.

People should be allowed to practice their own religion in their own way, as long as they aren't hurting anyone with their practices (I know, it's a limited form a freedom, so don't bust my balls). Sarkozy is just a hardliner with hatred for Islam. He just conveniently takes an anti-religion stance to cover it up.

Hate to say this, but I’m with Sarkozy on this one.

If France wants to prohibit only burqa's that seems wrong. But if France wants to make it illegal to wear cover your face, that is there business.

While I know it is better to be tolerant and all that PC crap, burqa's do seem for all intents and purposes oppresive and degrading for women.

Part of the French ideal is secularism - leaning towards Christianity but more secular than America - so this move by Sarkozy makes sense. I can't tell if this is the best policy, but I would really like to see a completely secular nation. Not like communist countries that force atheism, but a country that wants to be secular.

I doubt anyone will actually be harmed by the banning of burkas

I think there are several areas in the U.S. that bans covering your face in public, it dates back to KKK days. that's one way they fought the Klan, by bringing them out in the open.
Highroller brought up a good point, many muslim believe in multiple wives, are western countries supposed to allow that too? Where do you draw the line?

a burqua had become symbol of a culture that is very oppresive towards women..

Good work Sarkozy! Who would have thought the world leader with the biggest balls would be from France? Hey France, wanna trade for Barack? We'll even through in Biden for laughs.

I don't think it's a "black or white" issue...
Here in the USA, we clearly protect freedom of expression, and the burqa falls under that protection. I'd rather have a few Muslims wear their garb than to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", undermine the First Amendment, just so we "feel comfortable". What's next? Telling immigrants they can't put the flags of their homelands on their cars?

Our Nazarenes don't cut their hair and other sects wear 18th or 19th century garb, are we going to tell them what is acceptable?

No. What I think what is particularly fascinating is that, while Liberals often cite the Europeans as a model worthy of American judicial and legislative study, not to mention Healthcare (I mention it anyway), we see that even the excessively liberal France has a slightly totalitarian bent, regarding its Muslims.

In other words, can we not agree that this is yet another example of American exceptionalism? Can we not celebrate again that America, despite all the propaganda about how we're a bunch of "Islamophobes", are nevertheless more tolerant than the "more enlightened Europeans"?!

I just had this argument with my mom. She tells me that every time she sees a woman in a burqa, she wants to rip it off them and tell them they don't have to wear it.

But Ma, I say, this is America. In middle eastern countries women may be forced to wear these full body outfits and yes, it is a practice that is debasing women...but in America and many other countries, the women wearing these burqas are highly intelligent women who chose to do it. Why should we assume every time we see a head scarf that the woman wearing it is oppressed and it's our job to help her?

I think everyone knows how I feel about religious requirements but it comes down to choice. In America we have the freedom to practice your religion freely (with reason of course) and I wouldn't trade that in over a burqa as France seems to have done.

PS to fall for a queen all I need to see is her eyes

well now they are just going to have to wear ninja masks

Hey france!

fuck you!

I always thought the idea of hiding women behind veils was at best odd, but it's wrong for a government to restrict freedom to worship or to adhere to one's culture. Whether or not it is oppressive to women is another question altogether.

I used to misunderstand the practice. I find it stifling, but women may also choose the garment and call it liberatiing. I am not so judgeental to remove the freedom of choice from them.

France is not engratiating itself to the arab world, or the democratic world. France is not free. You may not even wear a rosary in public in France. Either you have the freedom of religous practice or you don't.

That being said, the Burqua is also a tool of supression. In the end the Burqua may simply be irreconcilable in a modern transparent society that holds women and men with equanimity as it makes too wide a distinction and carries negative connotations.

I think a study of Muslim women who wear burqas would be necessary before making legislation that would ban them. I don't fully understand Islamic religion or customs, but if women choose to wear burqas and are not forced, passing a ban on burqas will not be met with extended applause from everyone, and could easily be seen as a restriction of religion and customs. Sarkozy seems to have entered into an argument between freedom for women and freedom of religion.

Dare I say it.... But I think France has more balls than the US.

America is so over-the-top politically correct. It makes me ill.

Hats off to Sarkozy!!!!

no letter box ladies in france

hehe, thats almost horrible of me to say and laugh at... but come on... the burqa is about as muslim as a hotdog,

yummy nasty hotdogs.... so bad for your but they taste good when at a baseball game....

Damn frogs.

As much as I don't understand those burqa's and think it disgusting, i still feel like women should be allowed to wear them if they want to.

Everything about Islam is backwards, just read the Q'uran you'll see for yourself.

The burqa has more to do with cultural norms, rather than religion. A lot of Muslim women simply wear some sort of headscarf. Some don't even have any sort of hijab.

Same as FGM (female genitial mutilation). It's not a Muslim practice - it's a cultural practice in some African places, and some parts of Saudi Arabia.

Bravo Sarkozy.

I don't muzzle my dog.....why should I agree to let a man muzzle his wife?

I agree with banning the burqa. When in Rome do as the Romans do.

I lived in Saudi Arabia and was prohibited from practicing my religion.......................not too distressing not to have to get up for mass in the morning I hasten to add. Given the fact that they did not recognize our right to practice our religion I often feel that we are far too tolerant.

If you must wear a burqa then go home and wear it at home.
It breaches security.....if a man wants to kill someone he can don a burqa and not be recorded on camera........if he wants to rob a bank, wear a burqa.

Ban the Burqa.

Ban multiple marriages too.

If these men want to shakle their women then please do not allow our governments be party to it. Men who want women to wear the burqa must leave our free countries and go live in a country where the system is in place.

Can someone point me to a piece of scripture in the Qur'an where it states that Muslim women must wear the Burqa?

I know that's a bit of a tangent here but it'll be easier for me to discuss the issue if I knew whether the garment was a product of religion or cultural norms.

France can never get out of its own way. In the end they can do what ever they like. Just stay on your side of the pond.

they are forced or brainwashed to wear the burqa.
that's why it can "create tensions".