Arizona approves bill to allow guns in bars

drunk people and guns what could
go wrong :D

I do not see the big deal with this. If a person is willing to go through the background checks, take the classes, and apply for the permits then they are probably going to follow the laws and NOT DRINK when they are carrying. If they are sober and in a bar or restaurant what is the difference from them carrying anywhere else? Seems to me that everyone on this thread against this law assumes that there is a two drink minimum if you bring your gun. People that are willing to follow the laws far enough to get the proper permits will continue to follow them. It is the people illegally carrying that you have to worry about but guess what.......THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT!

i'm no math wiz but they say a (-x-=+) so maybe if you put those two things together (GUN+ALCOHOL=NO DEATH)......can anyone tell why pot is still ilegal, is it because i don't drink or own a gun ,,,,,,,,,still i mostly blame are dumb GOV'T!

Free to rummy it up with a gun,no confusion there

This one is pretty easy, the 2nd amendment is pretty clear. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
The phrase "shall not be infringed" means its actually illegal for the State (in this context State means a sovereign body) to regulate the purchase, use, and bearing of arms in this country.
I personally don't own a gun, however, I believe in the law of the land (US Constitution), and I hate it when rights are taken away from us. It seems that our civil rights are being slowly taken away by an ever growing tyrannical government. When will it STOP? Do we need another revolution? The larger our government gets the less liberty the people have!

oh and the next step for the "gun rights" crowd is obviously to make it easier to get a CC permit, or to remove the need for CC in general, because that's obviously the gov trying to take away their rights.

if your'e not careful they'll be housing soldiers in your home without permission, i just got a chain letter saying obama is "seriously considering it". keep that glock handy

ok, for the record i'm for CC on campus. i think that makes sense.

do i think it makes sense to fucking CC to a kegger? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT.

you're putting a weapon that makes the taking of life literally as easy as a 1 pound pull of the trigger (or it is less, that was a guess) and putting it into a situation of inebriation, hyper masculinity, and general retardation.

meh, if the people want it, not like i'd ever go to fucking arizona or texas anyways. let the fools kill each other off.

Take a look at the picture and pay attention to the memories and situations that come to mind... how many of them were safe??? The problem isn't with gun laws... the problem is with a bunch of drunk people legally congregating with GUNS. Wild West is back.

We need to re-evaluate who we allow to become lawmakers.... we seem to have a bunch of idiots running the country.

let me do the math here. there are how many states?and how many have similar laws?i would say according to the rules of your own party's that is a majority.and if you want to avoid these states you will use alot of gas.which is bad for the enviroment. But seriously guns are important to have so that we can protect our country from enemies both foriegn AND DOMESTIC. maybe even an over bearing government.Remember folks silent encroachment.

So wait...They are trying to make it legal for people to carry a CONCEALED (1) handgun into a bar. And Rep. Kavanaugh (2) says this is okay because customers with guns won't be allowed to drink.

IF IT'S A CONCEALED WEAPON, HOW IS THE BARTENDER SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHO HAS A GUN AND WHO DOESN'T?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!

(1) The law would only apply to people with concealed-weapons permits
(2) Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, said it's about time Arizona passes such a law, and that the most important thing is that people carrying guns into bars aren't allowed to drink.

Guns in bars is crazy, no matter how you feel about the second amendment.

The gun lobby is a dangerous influence in this country.

Thanks for the heads up. I will not be visiting Arizona.

"son, don't take yer' guns to town... bill, don't take yer' guns to town."

Posts like this remind me why things such as racism and sexism still exist. It’s really embarrassing to think that even in the 21st century so many adults can be so unapologetically prejudice toward a group of people they don’t interact with (knowingly at least) or understand. Seriously how long are we going to condemn or restrict the rights of a group of people based solely upon popular public opinion?

Where is the reason and logic in this discussion, and how much of this rhetoric has been tempered by facts or statistics? For instance take SickinJersey. He posted another that shows thirty seven other states have similar laws already on the books, yet for whatever reason so many people think Arizona is set to bring about the end of the world.

I say let the rednecks kill each other off!

They sure used alotta words just to say, "Never visit Arizona!"
This is purely disgusting. Can we be this afraid,... this insecure and hate-filled,... to not only glorify guns,... but to still create gun friendly, trigger-happy laws?!!?
I mean,... c'mon people! Get with the 1960s! Put the guns down!

evolution

Americans (some Americans) are still very naive and childish about guns. The right wing nuts, afraid Obama will strip them of their guns and jeebus, are just blowing smoke and this law is the result.

Give it another 20-30 years and people will look back at the present gun culture the way they look at Jim Crow or the treatment of women 100 years ago. It will be a shameful memory and few will be able to understand how so many were so blind to the obvious insanity of casual gun ownership.

People will die in the bars in Arizona and the law will be changed again.I am constantly amazed at how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can be so deceived.

Many simply romanticize the gun, others are paranoid cowards; unable to live without a deadly weapon at their side they are pathetic and dangerous human beings..

this NRA type Rachel Parsons sounds like a half wit and a retard thinking people need to protect themselves with firearms in a bar or restaurant!!!?!?!

Maybe she'd like it if they were allowed to bring guns to sporting events, speeches by government officials or public speeches by her and her cohorts? This chick is a FUCKING MORON.

I say put a metal detector at the door to keep the gun toting imbeciles outside and the normal people inside.

Another option would be to have a bar where the gun toting cowboy wannabes can go so they can all get "loaded" and shoot each other and we'd be rid of them.

Anyone who would think that it's even remotely intelligent to be allowed to bring a gun into a bar is obviously too much of a tool to even own a gun.

It's plain old bald faced idiocy. Full stop.

This doesn't sound like a good idea at all. The obnoxious excuse that if everyone had guns people would be less likely to use their own gun is invalid when alcohol is factored in.

Yep sounds like one hell of a night to me...suspend my mac 10 under my coat go down to a bar where I know all them gang types hang out, get liqured up and just wait for one of 'em to try and start sumthin'...by God they'll have one hell of a surprise when da mac starts talkin!
I was wondering why Wyatt Earp required all guns to be turned in at the marshalls office in tombstone....Arizona.....before they could go to the saloons....I guess they had figured out that to keep arguments fron escalating to shootings you remove the devise that enables the shots to be fired.

I'm moving there and gonna get dressed up like doc holiday every day.

State lawmakers approve guns in bars
Tennessee overrides governor's veto to join 37 states with similar laws

wow, what an outrageous level of stupidity being exhibited by the lawmakers and citizens of Arizona that are in support of this new bill.....

live in the state whose laws you support, live around like minded people. the real issue is security, what are you willing to do feel safe? do you want someone to protect you or your 14 year old daughter? would you hang out in a byker bar,watts or church, choose how you want to live. just accept that not everyone will agree to your choice.
just imagine a place where only the cops have guns and how safe you would feel there, it's called prison.
by the way most killin's in the wild west were bushwackin's, in the back by shot gun. shoot outs were very rare.

I agree with 'mirror', these individuals are probably the most "responsible" arms bearers in our midst,....but its the "sneaking", "skulking", -AMBUSHING- element of this RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS expression that leaves something wanting. If some nut case walked into a Dennys,....and looked around, and ALL HE SAW in his snap assessment was LETHAL----LETHAL-----people.....

a nut case would open fire just the same,......... but grandmother would express herself.
concealed is cowardly.

Really folks, did you read the article enough? It applies to those who have registered, gotten a background test and taken a 8 hour corse. compared to those who are just packin illeagaly, these people are relatively safe and want to protect themselves for criminals. its not that risky and a little worrisome at first glance, but your probably safer with these people around. Basically because Criminals will get a hold of a gun regardless of laws. And bring them in anyway.

arizona got life backwards u need guns everywhere esle except a bar

I love how people always reference the “old west” from movies when they talk about gun control. Why the hell would anyone rely on Hollywood for real world information? Seriously, WTF man. Last time I checked everyone in the movies was smoking ass hot, everyone (including the minimum wage burger flipper) had a kick ass high rise loft, the ocean was full of monsters, demons, giant everythings and aliens, all grease monkeys lived ultra hip fast and furious lifestyles, one man/woman/child/monkey/cow/anything could easily kick the shit out of thirty plus people, and so on and so forth.

At any rate this sort of thing has already happened in a couple states, it’s not that big of a deal. Arizona has the right of it though. This sort of thing should be left to only CCW permit holders.

Okay, maybe we should start taking guns away. I always believe people everyone should have the right to defend themselves, but try self-defense. It's easier to kill someone these days rather than just to learn to punch someone.

I firmly believe that the "concealed" handgun convention is a cowards-society travesty; "Prominently Displayed" should be the social norm,....or not at all. The principal involved in this judgement is that "dangerous" members of society,...(read aggressive)...are not allowed to be inherently more lethal than the average joe. The "don't take no shit, got no bone to pick, and no chip on the shoulder" individual should not be at a disadvantage because some urban sociopath has him out gunned when he comes to town to get a beer or buy feed. Everyone should be taking their lives into their own hands EQUALLY.The only individually concealing a weapon, should be ,by definition, the criminal, coward,.....or gestapo. [back to criminal-coward]

that is reFRESHing!

Let's face it they are always in the bars anyways.
Its just right now its the criminals carrying not the "law abiding citizens" Don't get me wrong I am not a gun nut, just happen to believe as long as they are around they will be used.
Besides I have seen way more people fucked up in bar fights with out any guns around. Maybe just maybe, if someone in the bar was carrying they would stand up for other people that are being attacked.
I know wish full thinking.
Also if we are going to ban them then we better ban driving from a bar while we are at it because, that still proves to be 100 times more dangerous.

BANG!

Bad idea

That is not very nice eldamon.The sad fact is there is a bunch of pussies running around crying about guns and they have no clue as to the whole thing that guns do. Only emotional pleas about how guns kill people. AND OF COURSE PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF THAT ARE JUST SO MUCH SMARTER THAN EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEF IN LIFE AND YOU SUGGEST KILLING EACH OTHER AND OURSELVES. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SELF RIGHTEOUS LITTLE SNOB.Yes i believe in guns and gun laws especially. They Will never go away. they will only progress into tasers and fasers.eldamon with an attitude like that you of all people should carry a gun.

The sad fact is this makes perfect sense to more than on idiot out there. Our only hope is all those idiots will eventually shoot each other or preferably themselves some where along the way.

1 gun bad in bar. Many guns equal out playing field. Guns will never go away. stop running from them and learn about them.Other states have guns in bars. no robbing those people.

alcohol and guns,..ain't nothing better.

I almost completely forgot how necessary guns are in bars

"excuse me,..barkeep, can you stir my martini w/ your 38?"

"I am going to the bathroom, hand me my gun so I can prop my wiener up and make the toilet"

"do you see that (insert derogatory comment here) guy over there, he will not live past this evening"

Booze+ Guns sounds like an equation for FAIL to me.

""People who carry concealed weapons for the most part are your general law-abiding citizens, and the people who are going to break the law are going to do it no matter what laws we have out there," he said. "If somebody has been drinking and they have a weapon in the car, they're just going to go out and get it."

While I generally agree with the first part, that people who are going to break the law do it no matter what, anyone who's had one too many at the bar can testify to your lack of judgment! Maybe that means bringing home the ugly friend, maybe that means puking in the parking lot, and hell, maybe that means waving your pistol after a drunken argument. I certainly wouldn't put it by anyone- people are fucking nuts, and drunk people even more so. C'mon Arizona, have some common sense!

Drunk people+guns= chaos Good work Arizona!

the world is coming to an end