Indian court overturns gay sex ban

I respectfully submit the following for your consideration. Please refrain from personal attacks. Thank You. "Homosexual activists who oppose marriage- and that is precisely what the so called "marriage equality" or "freedom to marry" movement actually does- are the ones who want to turn the clock back and impede progress. They are "regressives", not "progressives". The foundation for the real progress made in western civilization is partly because of the special recognition and place given to the first society of the family. That family is founded upon authentic marriage between one man and one woman. It is the first mediating institution of civil society. Marriage and family ground our organizing vision of the broader society and informs our philosophy of governance, including the proper place of the principle of subsidiarity, deferring to the family first." (Keith Fournier, "Should Disordered Appetites be Civil Rights?", catholic.org)

The faggots are gonna win .... we might as well just go with the flow ....

Well India, you have my blessing. If your gay, your gay. What can you do to control that? nothing. Is homosexuality really a path to hell? Why not something else like dictators and terrorist. People who gone against homosexuality has caused more problems than people who are actually gay. Debate me if you fell like it?

And seriously, who cares?

paul mcdarkney... hey thanks for the recognition... yes liberalism (i'm not full fledged liberal but pretty liberal on a lot of things) does not run very widely in Islamic circles... well actually there's more of it than you would realize... unfortunately the mass media doesnt report those things (current does though!)... it's especially more prevalent among young Muslims...

but i agree also... liberals tend to be judgmental at times but then again so do conservatives and moderates... everyone has judgmental elements in their groups...

nobama, no offense but i also think a lot of christians would be calling for his crucifixion also... because according to the NT he preached something completely different than a lot of churches preachy

mjkish i am only gonna say this... you said "I criticize you because you follow the written word that you believe to be the word of God (whoever that God may be), and you judge others because of it."

first i never judged you because you are an atheist... i have friends from all walks of life... the Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion... you can believe what you want... but i never judged you... and further then you said "Well I'm sorry, but I can't accept the word of someone as mentally weak as yourself."

Well now you have judged me. You have judged me to be mentally weak just because I follow a certain religion. That's a judgment which makes you a hypocrite when I never judged you.

Also I never asked you to accept "my word".

salaam alaikum

the reason that homosexuality has a more subtle acceptance in India or anywhere for that matter is because Hollywood had monopolized on what HOMOSEXUALITY is in this country..

it created such a negative scary stereotype what a 'typical homosexual" is that it creeps the heeveejeebees out of the american public..

in india or anywhere else for that matter..there are more positive note of homosexuals..they DO NOT celebrate homosexuality with leatherpants and feather boas and simulated sex on a motorcade..

The Western closed-minded arrogance in this thread is unfortunately quite typical. You young people are indoctrinated by your institutions and you adopt as your own whatever values are deemed 'progressive' and fashionable. And then in your absolutism you have the pomposity to claim that our traditional Indian values are backward, while they have served us well for thousands of years!

If this is not ethno-centrism - even racism -, then I do not know what is. "Yes yes," you seem to say, "we Westerners know what is right and wrong, and up and down in this world, and we must export our value system along with our Nike shoes and Disney movies!"

Homosexualism, commercialism, anything-goes-ism - white man's burden, indeed!

apprvoed...so they're a little less dehumanized, is it the next millenium yet

Why are people so against gay marriage?? If you believe it is a sin, that is fine, but my question is how does it effect your life if two women or two men get married? Get over it people!!

Oh no, now the Indians are all doomed to live in a dysfunctional society.

Wait, my bad, it says DEcriminalize. Things are looking up so.

The world is need of reform, and if it means taking laws that were created in the age of empires now gone, this is a good thing. Whether individuals personally accept through their beliefs or convictions, the laws that govern the lands should reflect the society in which its applied to.

mjkish why is it a shame? i mean you say dont judge others for a belief system that is so old but then you are doing the same thing...

and how do you know that they are fiction... you dont... so its kinda arrogant to even make that statement... you dont see me bashing you for NOT believing in a religious doctrine... so why would you do the opposite, again after saying someone shouldnt judge someone...

you kinda sound like bill mahr now...

This is really positive and progressive and I am proud of India and the direction the culture is moving in.....

nobama, my Muslim convictions should be of concern to you and just because I see things outside of a black and white box, that doesn't mean that I'm "lukewarm" in my faith. I'm sorry if I'm not whatever you think the Islamic version of bible-thumping is but I think everyone has a right to do as they choose.

The Qur'an even says "There is no compulsion in religion" (the term here being ad-Deen which shares the same root as Dunya which means this world; deen is more accurately translated as way of life).

So when accurately translated it says "There is no compulsion in your way of life but the right way is clear from the wrong"

So that is to say that while we cannot force someone to be a certain way, what is right and what is wrong is known and it's each person's DECISION.

seanalyn thats a good question... i'm curious to see his response

God, could you imagine what happened the night that happened :( i probably wasn't going to sleep tonight anyway.

From the article, "Thursday’s decision applies only in the territory of India’s capital city, but it is likely to force India’s government either to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court, or change the law nationwide, lawyers and advocates said."

Hoorah for human rights!

Slightly random: India has a lot of eunuchs and some of them are sex workers. Were they banned according to this old British law since they seem to be such a noticeable, though ostracized, part of Indian society?

nobama (what a dickish name for starters and not very originalo)

first off thank you for "setting me straight"

i do believe in the Holy Qur'an wholeheartedly. You have no idea what I believe. You are misinterpreting what I said in your anti-Islamic christian mind. I am not saying that God sees things in grey but in regards to things like homosexuality and other hot button topics, there isnt always an easy answer.

I myself said that I think that homosexuality is a sin but i think its also a sin to be judgmental of people and to be a denier of human rights. So while i dont agree with it, i'm also not gonna tell them they have right to be married. I don't live in an Islamic country; I live in a secular society and secular society is run by secular principles, a fact that openly acknowledge.

And that is why I said that I will leave it up to God to judge me. I will settle my debts on Judgment Day.

Well, well. I just love this article, especially this part:

The decision to bring Western culture to India, he said, will “corrupt Indian boys and girls.”

Is this "Blame America" for the gay movement in India? Do they not read their Qu'ran or the bible where it spells out gay activity in their region thousands and thousands of years ago? How did this become a "western culture issue?" Maybe WE got it from the EAST since that's where the origins of man were!

Oh, so it's OK to bring "western culture" as long as it has to do with jobs, opportunity and money - but if it an ethical thing you do not like (but has been going on in your country, secretly albiet), much longer than here...we blame the western culture. LOL!

This is monumentally important. 17% of the world's population has transgressed oppressive and immoral legal justification for institutionalized homophobia.

Edit: This case only covers New Dehli, not the whole country. It's a step, but not the entire leap I initially thought.

Great news! We are seeing a global shift in the attitude towards homosexuality.

Welcome to the 20th Century, India :D

I have to say this. I am a devout Muslim and so to me homosexuality is a sin as outlined in the Qur'an and a lot of other religious books. But I'm also rather liberal on things. And while homosexuality may be a sin, I also think that discrimination is. While I may not agree with a certain lifestyle, I'm not gonna say that homosexual people shouldn't be allowed to marry, especially in a country that doesn't practice Islamic law (i.e. America; Europe, etc.) If I am wrong in this then I will settle my debt with God on Judgment Day.

Now on the issue of a ban on gay sex. I dunno. You can't ban sex haha. People are gonna have sex. I guess now though there is no criminal penalties placed upon you if you are caught doing it. But how do you catch someone doing it? And do you want to?! haha.

The thing is the world tries to see things in black and white. And the world isn't black and white; there's a grey area, people. Even with this issue, I can't really make up my mind on what I think is right or wrong. I wish a lot more people could step up and say that instead of always insisting their way is right, infallible, not to be questioned.

May Allah be pleased with my efforts and forgive my shortcomings! Ameen!