Let’s Do Something - ANYTHING!!!

@kcharles - Labor was "shipped" (as you call it) overseas under possibly good intentions to promote 2-way trade. The fact that it became a 1-way street is a mistake of the previous administration. Then there was your messiah's campaign promise to bring it back to the US. And now, this new energy bill will have quite the opposite effect on labor - so herein lies a hypocrisy of your libtard party and your devious leader, who is actively working to breaking down what once was the greatest country in the world... Got it?

I am more communist than I am Capitalist. Just because a thing is "Entirely American" does not make it right. If that is your argument it is seriously flawed and without and merits logically.

As far as the legislation, I am against it, so I am not sure how it matters that I am attacking the principle of the newly proposed legislation.

I have yet to see you present a single argument in favor of Capitalism and the "free" market that is not an ad hominem attack against your opposition. (are those words too big for you? I could make them smaller for you to understand if you'd like.)

igordy could and often does lay down a clear and concise analogy about various issues that may be the subject at hand, and yet the following responses are most often knee-jerk and not understood by liberalosts after the 1st paragraph (seemingly their brains cramp up) letting loose an endless babble of utter nonsense out of the socialost/democratic party manual/mantra

When corporations ship manufacturing overseas, it is NOT because labor is so expensive here that they can not make a profit. They ship it overseas because they can make MORE of a profit by raping cheap labor in third world countries. It is GREED that causes this, not liberals or labor. Labor produces ALL WEALTH ON EARTH. If you can not understand this, perhaps you should not be allowed to speak without a license.

Labor produces all the wealth? How? They need people to employ them. They don't create the wealth, they benefit from those who do. A man who starts a company is part of labor and yes he looks for ways to maximize profit while minimizing cost, however most heads of companies look for the most skilled and talented labor they can afford and pay them competitively in order to keep them. Before the minimum wage was introduced most skilled labor made far above the minimum, it was unskilled labor that was hurt by it. The unions pushed it to keep competition from below in check. Unions always use violence and force because most of their jobs are not so skilled as not to be easily replaced by another worker willing to work for the same wages or less.

You don't get it! IT WON"T PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT! It will however raise the prices of everything and lose the US even more jobs during a depression. It's yet another tax and it will increase our dependency on foreign oil. You should read the 1500 pgs of it since none of our reps seemed to, especially the last 300 pgs that were submitted that same morning. Wake the hell up!

Hi metal,

This article is discussing not only the lack of transparency allowed in the drafting of the bill, but also the inability for those in Congress to read the bill they are voting on because its 1200 pages in what, 12 hours? This article also talks about the costs associated with the bill and the price distortions that will created deadweight social loss.

Obama is the same as the other guy, just looks and talks different.

Sadly stupidity is rampant, this information just cannot be absorbed, sorted and comprehended by the leftist/socialosts, as it is outside of the party doctrinal mantra...it is enough to make a sane man weep...and I weep !

Cap and Trade will NOT make it more expensive to pollute. It will make polluting a business. Are there any people in America capable of even the slightest ammount of critical thinking?

wow wtf were you smoking for the past eight years?

Nothing. I wasn't a member of Current, so maybe that has something to do with it.

We were right there with you, you just probably mistook us for liberals then, now that we are consistent about the issues you think we're republicans. Priceless!

Would like to hear your reasoning for why it is misleading. Thank you.

this always happens with the peacefreedomeandteddybearhuggateria posts. they just appear in the top ten. Almost always the same people posting positive remarks which are usually very similar to the same ones they posted earlier. They appear to all know each other..

Same with the detractors, I would say, are you paid to troll the articles to post negative remarks or what?

hey don't worry about it, you wouldn't understand it anyway.

I think he was being more straight forward and understandable than the article was, which is just a bunch of 'hooraa' words and false references and loaded terms to get people excited over nothing. The Adam Smith and peace freedom garbage is ridiculous middle school drama. You guys remind me of characters you'd see on family guy.

The ideology of the Founding Fathers is a joke?????
Fuck you, clown.

Actually, you are wrong about the revenue thing since the site only makes revenue if you click on the banner adds, so they make nothing if you don't.How exactly is that unethical anyway? Huffpo and other sites have banner adds as well to support their sites.

The fact that your views are all over the news and web is fine, but no one is allowed to think differently than you? That's rather irrational and unfair, not to mention biased.

As far as ideology, I have nothing against taking care of the environment, but the cure can't be worse than the disease. We rushed into corn ethanol and it ended up offsetting food production, raising the prices and lowering the availability of other food commodities such as wheat, and was found to be useless as a CO2 measure because it took as much energy to produce as it gave.

Right now, the country is facing a depression. The Cap and Trade will increase our dependency on foreign oil, increase the prices of energy and all consumer goods, decrease jobs across all sectors and you talk about our ethics? Do you care how many people will suffer under this bill? Not to mention it will mandate household audits and create more bureaucracy while simultaneously protecting the polluters. Read the Greenpeace article I posted, maybe then you'll get a clue. It's being misrepresented by the media, it won't do what you think it will. You also should check out Spain's problems, they've lost 2.2 jobs for every "green" job they created.

adveritas, "you guys remind me of characters you'd see on Family Guy." Do liberals like you get their entertainment from a cartoon show geared towards adults? Sad,sad,sad. I quit watching cartoons when I was, hell, 10-11 years old. (But that was before we started dumbing down people with assinine cartoons like "Family Guy" or "Ren & Stimpy.") I have never watched "adult" cartoons like Family Guy, why would I wish to lower my IQ 50 points?? Grow up, and get a grip on reality.

All other arguments aside on this article, which I have not yet read, the Founding Fathers were human like me. Their ideologies are no more relevant or important than my own. They are nor gods who's ideas should be worshipped or thought of as sacrosanct.

@hammywill

>>the Founding Fathers were human like me. Their ideologies are no more relevant or important than my own.

I replied because someone above replied first with an observation that was quite valid and someone esle had to make fun of him. You never watch cartoons, never see them in the newspaper? They might be about cheap jokes and laughs but they certainly have a lot to say about the rediculous people that pretend they they are intellegent and that they have important things to say but they do nothing. So sorry if it gives me the pleasure to enjoy comedy because if I couldn't I really don't know how I'd cope with reading this garbage and knowing that you people really think the way you do. Have you even taken a history class? Read Zelikow's Uses of History.

Greenpeace doesn't think the bill goes far enough. You like telling half truths don't you.

I'm not telling any half truths, your representatives are! The truth is that we will see sky-rocketing energy costs that will not benefit the environment, so what is the real point of this bill? It will not get us results and it will help to destroy our job market further during a severe economic recession. The military will still be exempt from EPA regulation and they are the largest consumer of energy resources and the biggest polluters. So the regular people in this country will get screwed, again, in order to do absolutely nothing about the supposed problem that it addresses. Where is the half truth in pointing out that you are being bamboozled?

"what can I say?" what you always do i assume.