Community | July 07, 2009 | 64 comments

Why Nice Guys Finish Last

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Ricky Menezes, a 22-year-old from Marlborough, Mass., says he knows he will hook up with "about 20 girls" in the next month. How does he know this, you ask? Ricky knows this because he's what we call a "bad boy" -- the type of guy who knows exactly how to act, what to say and how to manipulate women into giving him what he wants.

"It all started in high school," Ricky said. "I started being the outgoing, crazy, funny kid that everyone thought was fun and wanted to hang out with."

After being validated by his peers in high school, Ricky said he has more or less mastered the art of being a bad boy, and has done so with one overriding goal in mind -- sexual conquest.

"I don't pretend to be anything I'm not," Ricky said. "I'm honest and outspoken. I say that I'm just looking to hook up. ... I'm not afraid to go for it, and I rarely get rejected. "Oh, and I'm in a band. You have to be in a band. Girls love guys in bands," he added.

Most everyone knows -- or at least knows of -- a stereotypical "bad boy" like Ricky. The guy with such high self-esteem he could aptly be called a narcissist. The guy who wins women over with deceit, callousness and impulsive behavior. Basically, the type of guy who resembles a real-life version of Hugh Grant's character in "Bridget Jones' Diary." The success of Ricky and so many other "bad boys" with women seems to add weight to the popular saying "good guys finish last."

And there might be more than just a grain of truth in these mantras about bad boys; new research suggests they might actually be attracting more women than their "nicer" counterparts.
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64 comments // Why Nice Guys Finish Last

  • Tankguy
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      Tankguy  
    • Nice guys finish last because younger women like being treated like shit. Allow me to rephrase that in a way that WOMEN can digest it:
      Nice guys finish last among younger women because younger women love bad boys. Bad boys present a challenge and an air of danger and mystery that keeps the young woman's interest stimulated. The bad boy's lack of interest in the woman challenges her sense of adequacy and desirability. The core reaction is "I know I'm pretty but why doesn't this guy want me and care about me?" Its not necessarily about wanting what she cant have, its about making him want her more than any other woman thereby validating her self-esteem. Nice guys have lots of desirable quailities; caring, dependable, thoughtful, trustworthy. But if it is one characteristic that younger women cant stand its being boring. Boring represents predictability and safety; two things that bad boys lack.
      However the tables turn when a woman progresses to the point in her life where she is really looking for mr.right to settle down. This is where those boring qualities or predictability, responsibility, caring, and trustworthiness suddenly become important criteria for the wannabe bride. Think about it, what normal woman wants to marry a bad boy who is always putting his own needs before hers and is irresponsible? And what kind of father would a bad boy make?

    • 2 years ago
  • jadewuzlyke
  • rockstarmillionaire
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      rockstarmillionaire  
    • what an empty pathetic existence. Can you imagine these guys after 30? It's boring nice guys that finish last. If you're confident, funny, a good listener AND nice you can still get women.

    • 2 years ago
  • michail77
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      michail77  
    • I'm a typical NG but the last girl I dated had been in several relationships with "guys in bands".

      She was really happy to finally land a NG. However, she had been so emotionally damaged from these guys I couldn't take it and had to end the relationship.

    • 2 years ago
  • jaystyx
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      jaystyx  
    • Girls are definitely attracted to the bad boy. I hope that when they become women they get a little smarter and date guys who treat them right.

      Otherwise they deserve to date douche bags and be miserable forever.

    • 2 years ago
  • realfran
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      realfran  
    • I have many male friend, and a fair number of them are what you can call "bad boys", and I really dont blame them, if a girl get hurt by them its not because they deceived her, is just she though it was something more than it really was, as simple as that. This "bad boys" usually dont lie to you, they are very straight foward, so you know what you are getting in to.
      The real dangerous type is that guy that poses as a good guy, thats the one you need to be careful of.

    • 2 years ago
  • AmberT
  • BillCue
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      BillCue  
    • A Fool's Gambit - I was always tall for my age in grade school ending up at 6'2" slender, great hair, reasonably good looking, prep-school, Ivy League, grad school, smart well-read, raised in Westchester County, began playing guitar and singing folk music in the fifties, coffee house performer in the 60s/70s, in a #1 pop music band in the mid 70s, always self-employed early computer entrepreneur, lived in beautiful places AND I LOVE WOMEN!

      I have slept with too many sweet ladies to remember most of their faces and almost none of their first names. Last names never mattered for a night for a weekend for a month or "forever" which usually lasted a few months or a few years.

      I'm in my late sixties. I live with a sixty-one year old smart sweet financially independent skinny beautiful popular woman who looks like a woman in her forties. I must be the envy of many men when we are out and about.

      But too many woman can spoil the ability for permanence. I am perhaps too use to "the conquest". For sure I am a fool over and over again trashing perfectly beautiful relationships - NEXT!. Sometimes I wish that I was someone else with a different background and different motivations.

      In my case ignorance might have been bliss. Instead I am sexually the composite of all that I have been taught and given by too many sweet women who were looking for the same thing we all seek - a wonderful relationship.

      I saw a man on a crutch
      Who said why ask for so much?
      I saw a woman in a door
      Who said why not ask for more...LC

    • 2 years ago
  • jb83
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • "The guy who wins women over with deceit, callousness and impulsive behavior."

      I was passing back through this page, and the line above from the article caught my eye. Guys WIN WOMEN OVER with those three things? And women think GUYS are screwed up? When I was single, a woman wouldn't even get past the first one (deceit) before I would tear up her phone number, let alone callousness and impulsive behavior! I understand the ovulation thing...but can it really throw your homones so completely over the edge that you are attracted to deceitful, callous, impulsive scumbags? Surely there is SOME degree of mind over matter...

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • cztheday:

      there is! But a lot of girls get caught up in the being bad thing too. It's supposed to be more fun if you're being bad. "Supposed to" according to whom, I do not know.

    • 2 years ago
  • imp_print
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  • wanamoka
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      wanamoka  
    • Most girls only want to have sex with the bad boys especially during the high estrogen time of the month during ovulation approx. 72 hours. Bad boys may give the appearance of being more masculine, which causes a biological desire for said bad boy. The theory is that women are scouting for the perfect sperm donors, for offspring will most likely survive because they look tough.

      For the rest of the month she wants the nice guy.

      Really girls do you want to be with someone that has been inside 50 other chicks before you. ewww. Can you spell D-I-S-E-A-S-E

    • 2 years ago
  • Acedia
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      Acedia  
    • Douchebags get laid a lot. They don't really get worthwhile relationships. I suppose that's a fucked-up sort of balance, right?

    • 2 years ago
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • StrangE2U
  • StrangE2U
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      StrangE2U  
    • Einsam_Data_Old:

      absolutely, nice guys can be outgoing, loud and fun, i consider myself as such, but that does not mean i am the loudest in the room. I find that the people that really want to have attention drawn to them only do so to divert attention away from the fact that they are really shallow on the individual level. Yeah you can make a good joke to impress a crowd, but impressing and keeping the interest of the individual is a far greater task... crowds are notoriously sheep-like; oh he/she is laughing so i should be too.

      I am who i am, if the crowd likes it, great... if not, fuck them... i know some people who do.

    • 2 years ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Life is more complex than this...?

      Well, that IS good news. Bad boys don't like "complex." It makes their tiny little brains hurt.

      Seriously, though, when I think back on the bad boys from my youth I realize now that they had a way (in general) of self-selecting themselves out of the gene pool.

      A couple went to prison (a DUI can, and does, become vehicular manslaughter in the blink of an eye), several died in various motorized vehicle accidents, and a LOT of them are total wrecks today...all that hard livin' is fine in your 20s and 30s, but it takes a terrible toll by the time you hit your mid-40s. You have heard the expression "don't drink and drive?" How about "don't drink and grow old?"

    • 2 years ago
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  
    • of course its posted by singrr. she definitely wants a dude in a band. all i got to say is that being the bad boy isn't the hard part. its being the nice guy.

      just listen to kitteneater--guaranteed she is hottie who rejects all the duche bag 'bad boys'.

      hot girls who don't fall for the 'bad boys' are where its at, and i'm convince that they are about 1-2% of the female population.

    • 2 years ago
  • kitteneater
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      kitteneater  
    • I'm a girl boys don't ignore. In yet, I don't find this type of boy attractive at all. But I don't look for sex in a relationship. I try to tell the boys at school that very thing. These "bad boy" types approach me sometimes, and I tell them I'm looking for a deep conversation, and they all end up looking like idiots. It's actually sort of funny.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • kitteneater:

      OK, I WAS going to just let it pass...but that line is just too good: "I'm a girl boys don't ignore." That sounds like Tennessee Williams. Confess! Is that original or borrowed...?

      In either case, it is one of those phrases guaranteed to make every Y chromosome in the room sit up and pay attention...

      It doesn't work at ALL if you substitute genders. I'm the kind of guy...nope, seriously creepy...

    • 2 years ago
  • kitteneater
  • Giganticus
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      Giganticus  
    • Didn't I see an article here on Current a few months ago explaining why it isn't true that nice guys finish last? Let us put the cliches to bed people. Life is much more complex than this.

    • 2 years ago
  • jadewuzlyke
  • stonefree87
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      stonefree87  
    • Giganticus:

      Anybody who read the actual article would agree with that... It goes on to say that nice guys don't always finish last, and that the "bad boy" usually has little luck in retaining a long-term relationship.

    • 2 years ago
  • petercoffin
  • jadewuzlyke
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      jadewuzlyke  
    • As my boyfriend has said: Not all the nice guys are actually nice. They just think they are. Some wanna try to manipulate a girl into having sex with him, and when the girl declines, he calls her a "slut" and tells people that nice guys finish last and girls only like bad boys.

    • 2 years ago
  • gen468
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      gen468  
    • Actually they don’t in the long run.
      They don’t end up marrying the slut that slept around with all the bad guys.
      They usually stay married for life.
      They are more likely to be successful in life.
      They live longer
      They stay healthy longer
      They are great fathers and husbands
      They usually marry woman who become the best mothers and wife’s,

    • 2 years ago
  • jadewuzlyke
  • Nettle
  • BustYourFace
  • wirehedd
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      wirehedd  
    • gen468:

      an old friend of mine defined the difference between a bitch and a slut as this; a slut is the chick that bangs anything with a dick and a bitch is the chick that bangs anything with a dick EXCEPT you. :)

    • 2 years ago
  • jadewuzlyke
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      jadewuzlyke  
    • gen468:

      @ BustYourFace. Sleeping around with a bunch of "nice" guys makes you a slut. Duh.
      But seriously, I'm sick of the word "slut." People basically only use it to refer to women, because it's bad for women to have a lot of sex but not men.

      I agree with Nettle. If we're going to call the women that have sleep with the "bad boys," then why not call these bad boys sluts too?

    • 2 years ago
  • alexandrek
  • RickDemocracy
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Hmmmm. In high school and college I was a "nice guy" and an "A-student." So I should still be a virgin. BUT, I also played in a band, worked four nights a week (so I had cash the other three), and liked two things about girls (aside from the obvious): making them laugh and listening to them talk.

      I don't remember a weekend or a dance when I DIDN'T have a date...

      Then I got old...but my wife takes pity on me...

    • 2 years ago
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • Yeah, if you try to be the bad boy to get girls, you're never going to find a decent one. I know it's horribly cliche, but just be yourself and you will find someone that fits you like a puzzle piece. ^_^

    • 2 years ago
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • Nettle:

      No, it depends on the girl. I've never been attracted to the bad boy. Always wanted a guy who was sweet, and nice, and respected me. That's what I found and that's what I'll keep.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Nettle:

      You sound like a sensible (and happy) young woman, Nettle. Congratulations on your find. Um...would you have a few minutes to speak with my daughter? Her 16th birthday approacheth...

    • 2 years ago
  • div
  • Panzer_Tanzler
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      Panzer_Tanzler  
    • Image
    • Something that bitches (not bad guys) and bitches (women) have known forever. And you know what the best part is about it? This whole study was brought about because some nerd was in the friend zone and wanted undisputed proof that nice guys finish last. Way to waste a butt ton of money on something kids who play Halo 3 could tell you.

    • 2 years ago
  • TheBrownKid
  • Xion
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      Xion  
    • I think I fall somewhere in the middle. I'm 18, know more or less how to get a girl interested, but I really don't like having sex with random girls. I have to have some sort of connection to someone before anything goes down. God knows that I'm not a player, but he (she?) also knows I CAN get a girl.

    • 2 years ago
  • EmperorThan
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      EmperorThan  
    • Because nice guys don't go to bars, don't get stupid retarded drunk, don't get into fights with other guys, don't like to watch SNL's the Best of Christopher Walken...

      "But you don't know him like I do! He's only like this when he drinks ...which is all day everyday. Because he's a horrible binge drinking alcoholic dipshit."

    • 2 years ago
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • SupaDawg
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      SupaDawg  
    • EmperorThan:

      Very well said. Though I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I go to the bar.... I don't get drunk mind you, and on the rare occasion that I do, i aim to continue to exercise a measure of self control.

    • 2 years ago
  • RickDemocracy
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      RickDemocracy  
    • EmperorThan:

      I think it depends where you are. I don't think anyone would qualify me as a 'bad boy', though i guess i'd love to be Billy Idol. HA! ;-D
      I can go to bars...drink a bit...and hook up with at least one girl per week without really trying. I don't go up to them. Ok, i'm miles away from 20 a week. But i'd argue that 4 girls in 3 weeks without lying or trying is an honest 'score' for a nice, sensitive, generous guy like me. ;-p
      But that was in Mexico. Only white guy with blue eyes there. Put me in Sweden and i'm the invisible man.
      Point is, sure, girls like the bad guys, the bandidos. Of course. Everyone does, not just the girls. The guys like the bad girls too but then they're called bitches, sluts, whores...a whole different qualification eh... Guys are Don Juans, girls are whores. Nice.
      So, yeah, as i was saying, point is you can be a clean looking nice guy like me, who inspires confidence, and score...just because you're exotic where you are...or because you're 'older' (i'm 35)...and because you are NOT one of those young idiots who thinks he's got it made. Girls feel safe or reassured with you, and they're tired of the young baby boys.

      Bad boys wear out...

      ...girls like to be forced a little...they like you to 'force' them to do things they want to do. Anyone can do that. So you can be real nice on the outside...and surprise them with some unexpected 'bad boy' attitude in the bedroom...or wherever you're doing it. ;-) Corner them up against the wall and make them understand you want them and know they want you too...be firm...rough but not hurtful...most girls just love that.

      Warning to the inexperienced and violent: i am not encouraging you to be violent or to force anyone to do anything they don't want. It's all about forcing them to do what they actually WANT to do, and for that you need to have a little experience and know the person. You have to try that carefully at first...you never know how the person might react. But if she trusts you then most probably it'll be fine.

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • ...if the goal is simply to have more sex than yea, sure they win, hands down, no argument.

      if the goal is to be happy, content, stable and in a decent relationship with a person you love these people will invariably fail and fail hard.

      i was the highschool "bad boy" but rejected it because it made me fucking miserable. props to people who DON'T have to go through it.

    • 2 years ago
  • rickm8
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • Speaking as a male and probably way to sensitive as a youth and a victim of my heart. I probably should have been a bad guy when I was young because those guys scored big time in comparison. So I personally don't feel sorry for women or girls that fell pray to these kind of assholes, you got what you deserved.

    • 2 years ago
  • RickDemocracy
  • jb83
  • Tankguy
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      Tankguy  
    • kennymotown:

      couldnt agree with you more. I was always the nice guy that would see the assholes get the nicest and often smartest girls. Its like every warning sign of the guy being an asshole was there yet the girls were either blind to it or thought "oh he will change for me". And sure enough she would end up :
      cheated on
      physically and/or verbally abused
      knocked up
      hooked on whatever narcotic he introduced her to
      used and tossed to the side like a styrofoam cup
      You feel bad for the girls when they are young and it happens the first time, but by the time your in you 20s or 30s you figure these dumb broads ought to have learned by now.

    • 2 years ago
  • metalcookiesxy70
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • Valence
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  • singrrr
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      singrrr  
    • I think younger women are more attracted to "bad boys" and as they get older they understand that dudes like that are nothing but a headache. At least that was the case for me, lol

    • 2 years ago
  • hardknockxpert
  • burukku16
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      burukku16  
    • singrrr:

      I agree with that. I think women are drawn to 'bad boy' types for a while. But once you mature a bit and set your sights on settling down, the 'bad boy' loses his appeal.

    • 2 years ago
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