Community | July 08, 2009 | 9 comments

America will have to deal with the reality that,

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So This Is What Victory Looks Like?

By Scott Ritter

America will have to deal with the reality that, no matter how we spin facts, President Bush's ill-advised Iraqi adventure has ended in defeat.
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9 comments // America will have to deal with the reality that,

  • Bren589
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      Bren589  
    • Your right Highroller. Its all about greed. If people had less greed in there lives , things may not be like they are today

    • 2 years ago
  • Highr0ller
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      Highr0ller [removed]  
    • Yes Good_Stuff.......how true.

      Bush took America to war on a lie......to eliminate weapons of mass destruction.

      The oil prices were going up and down because American foreign policy and media hype moved them, allowing the people in the know to buy and sell oil shares on the Mercantile exchange..........................netting the Bushes of the world an even greater fortune.
      Greed is the name of the game.

    • 2 years ago
  • good_stuff
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      good_stuff  
    • We have bases in the heart of the middle east to secure our oil interests and keep a close eye on the neighboring nations. Who ever said that we went there to help the people? We went there for "WMDs", remember?

    • 2 years ago
  • wally60
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      wally60  
    • it wasnt about winning or loseing it was about making a
      lot of money for georges buddys,it wasnt even about the oil,war is big money hell we dont even know how much
      money just disappeared,until we accept that our goverment is just plain corrupt and decide to do something it will continue.and there are ways to do it without violence but we must come together. they keep
      us fighting with each other so we wont pay attention.
      the two party system is ruining our country.

    • 2 years ago
  • vladbox
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      vladbox  
    • If the people understand the reality, they could also understand that this was a NO Win or Loose situation, that it was a disastrous adventure for oil and idiotic pride.

      If the point is well taken then, there is no psychological damage (if there should be any)

    • 2 years ago
  • metalcookiesxy70
  • Highr0ller
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      Highr0ller [removed]  
    • Many in the West continue to delude themselves into seeing progress—and therefore “victory”—when in fact the situation in Iraq has only regressed. It is in vogue for Western journalists, pundits and government officials to compare and contrast conditions in Baghdad today with those that existed in 2007, when the U.S. began its “surge” of military forces into the urban areas of Iraq in an effort to quell violence that had reached epidemic proportions. There is no debate over the fact that the level of violence in Baghdad and elsewhere throughout Iraq has dropped dramatically since the surge was instituted. But the cost paid by Iraqi society, shredded by ethnic cleansing and segregation, raises the question of whether or not the alleged “cure” is any better than the “disease” it purports to address. One thing is certain: Iraq remains a very sick patient. The U.S., in designing a surge that addressed only the most visible symptoms of the problems which ravage Iraq in the post-Saddam era, has created a false sense of accomplishment when in fact the underlying conditions that caused the violence prior to the surge still exist. It’s like a cancer temporarily stunned into remission by a drug that weakened the body and now is being withdrawn without actually curing anything. The Shiite-Sunni schism has only worsened, and there is increasing risk that the Arab-Kurd disagreement over oil rights will escalate from a war of words into something more violent.

      The absolute failure of the surge is even more evident when one considers conditions inside Iraq before the U.S. invasion in 2003. There is simply no serious benchmark by which one can make a viable argument for improvement. Even the Bush administration stopped the pretense that we had brought democracy to the country. Stability is now the term of choice, and when one compares the situation in Iraq circa February 2003 to today, the facts scream out loud and clear that Iraq is far more unstable in its present condition than when governed by Saddam Hussein.

      http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20090707_so_this_is_what_victory_looks_like...

    • 2 years ago
  • Highr0ller
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    • Let there be no doubt, Iraq was a police state, and the streets of the city were also filled with agents and informers of the regime, quick to detect any hint of rebellion or insurrection. Telephone calls were listened in on and conversations illicitly recorded in the hope of finding evidence of dissent. And when dissent was found, the forces of repression would mobilize quickly to crush it—secret police and paramilitary forces for small incidents, and the battalions of Special Republican Guard for larger threats. But Baghdad, like Mosul and other major cities, was also a place where someone—whether resident, visitor or even U.N. weapons inspector—could leave his or her home or workplace in the evening and travel freely without fear of endless roadblocks, checkpoints, car bombs and firefights.

      http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20090707_so_this_is_what_victory_looks_like...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Highr0ller:

      It was also the most advanced Arab country with an exemplary health-care system, and women were pretty liberated - they didn't wear veils, they had access to the highest posts in science, medicine, engineering, etc., were highly educated, and even had high posts in government.

    • 2 years ago
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