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A novel approach: ending homelessness with homes

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The Dallas City Council thinks it has a strategy for ending homelessness in the city, and it's fabulously uncomplicated: housing for the homeless. Not shelters, but actual apartments. Next American City reports:

According to the U.S. Inter-agency Council on Homelessness, it costs more to maintain someone in homelessness than to offer permanent shelter. The group's study of 65 cities found that support services like hospitals, courts and police intervention cost between $35,000 and $150,000 per person per year. Providing housing runs between $13,000 and $25,000.

So Dallas has approved "a multimillion-dollar plan to provide 700 housing units over five years as permanent shelters throughout the city for the homelessness." The price tag for the plan could be as high as $18 million.

A recent study focusing solely on medical care for the homeless found hospitals that reach out to help homeless people before they pass through emergency room doors can save hundreds of thousands of dollars each year.

There's a pattern here. All roads lead to giving a damn.
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  • GodsnLiberals
  • GodsnLiberals
  • Teknique
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      Teknique  
    • these just can't turn in to the new form of the projects, they should be enviornmentaly friendly, easy on the tax payer, and in proper humane living conditions. ending homelessness is a great cause towards every ones freedom

    • 2 years ago
  • s0uthc0ast
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      s0uthc0ast  
    • Another iteration of "give them what they want and noone gets hurt" is not a help.
      If the people pushing this idea really care, they would welcome "homeless" into their homes and put up their money instead of confiscating their neighbors money to atone for some imagined guilt.

    • 2 years ago
  • Mob_Barley
  • sickinjersey
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      sickinjersey  
    • yeah like people choose to be mentally ill and set loose from the only programs that give them safety and security and medical care so they can choose to go and get killed in there sleep by thugs and then they choose to be drunks because it is so easy out there.

    • 2 years ago
  • advance1313
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      advance1313  
    • Redistribution of wealth is destruction of the American way.

      The problem is we support those who don't try to make a better life.

      If there's to incentive to succeed (higher taxes, greater scrutiny, more regulations for the wealthy), and no punishment for failure (welfare, nationalized health care, homes for the homeless paid for with tax dollars), why would we try to make a better life for ourselves.

      The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money.

    • 2 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • advance1313:

      "If there's to incentive to succeed (higher taxes, greater scrutiny, more regulations for the wealthy), and no punishment for failure (welfare, nationalized health care, homes for the homeless paid for with tax dollars), why would we try to make a better life for ourselves."

      Wait. So there's no incentive to get off the streets and live in a lifestyle where you aren't constantly in fear of getting raped, stabbed, mugged, beaten, harassed, or at the very least go hungry on a daily basis?

      All sarcasm aside, there are PLENTY of incentives to be wealthy. However, I don't think that most people who are homeless want to be rich in the way you're speaking- a home, a daily meal, and a steady job are probably all you want when you've lived on the streets for so long.

      The punishment for failure is self-inclusive, and those programs, while abused by some, are necessary to maintain a base level of living for people. The fact of the matter is that sometimes, there's just nothing you can do to pull yourself out of a hole, and you need time. No system is perfect, but I don't think the solution is to abandon people and say "hey, good luck getting a job and supporting your family while many wealthy business-owners in your country ship jobs overseas so they can skim profits instead of offering them back to the people in your area."

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • advance1313:

      Redistribution of wealth is only a problem if there is no control of population production; redistributing the wealth to an infinitely expanding pool eventually bankrupts, and probably kills, us all. (The best and the brightest/most competent monkeys, will try to escape this mud ball -our last best hope ).Failure is always punished, nature does it. "Your dead, didn't work, nice try". Incentive to succeed is the job of every mind to provide for its own damn self, if you parasite it off someone, or everyone else,....NO POINTS/CHEAT/FOUL----(character weakness/flaw)

    • 2 years ago
  • regularrf
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      regularrf  
    • Most of the homeless chose to live that lifestyle but for the others this could be the helping hand they need.
      The only problem is the free rent for life does not motivate people to improve,job searches and inspections are a must.

    • 2 years ago
  • jimmyp
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      jimmyp  
    • You'll wake up when you see a former associate at the corner asking for a buck...in the last three months I have watched several friends lose jobs and end up with family or on the street....are we next?

      Hopefully my fair city's attempt to deal with the homeless will be carefully administered. Incorrigible drug and alcohol abusers would have to receive counciling and show improvement and effort or (I agree) the plan will fail.

      BTW - The people of Dallas ARE kind...

    • 2 years ago
  • oi812
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      oi812  
    • I say lets put all the details of why the homeless are in the situation they are in aside and look at this from afar. They are people just like you and I, regardless of their past, present or future. They are members of our society and what better way to gage a society than by how it treat those citizens in most need. We must put our egos aside and think about the greater good. In addition, the streets would be much cleaner and these people would receive better living conditions.....its a win win. I live in the Dallas Fort Worth area and I applaud this.

    • 2 years ago
  • sickinjersey
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      sickinjersey  
    • Addiction is not a choice! Period!!!! Go to some meetings at your local AA chapter if you want to here the truth. If you dont then just sit in your chairs and dictate.

    • 2 years ago
  • bombastinator
  • thecoyote23
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      thecoyote23  
    • I really get sick of these elitists who care about no one but themselves and self righteously say garbage like "if they would just get a job and contribute to society blah blah blah"... and are probably at "work" on the internet in between doing a spreadsheet in air-conditioning, munching on a Big Mac, and wearing a polo shirt that was made in a sweat shop. Wake up America! All our jobs have been shipped overseas and you can't call everyone who doesn't have a job a leech on society when unemployment is over %10.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • NJPatriot
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      NJPatriot  
    • thecoyote23:

      I think the characterization of people like myself as elitist and uncaring is grossly unjust. Pointing out the probable failure of an idea that has already been tried many times over and failed just as many is not heartlessness or selfishness. It is simply stating a truth.

      How will public housing solve the problem? It has never worked in the past, what's going to make it work this time? Furthermore, how will apartments negate the hospital, court, an police intervention costs referenced in the summary? It's a false dichotomy. The proposed solution is not only likely to be ineffective, it is likely to exacerbate the problem.

      Something needs to be done to actually help the people who are in trouble. Easing your conscious at their expense is abhorrent.

    • 2 years ago
  • thecoyote23
  • NJPatriot
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      NJPatriot  
    • thecoyote23:

      Possibly. I have suspicions, but no time to research right now so I won't poison the well.

      Still, I find the false dichotomy of "Either housing expenses OR Medical/Legal expenses" to be intellectually dishonest.

    • 2 years ago
  • donnyin3d
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      donnyin3d  
    • I lived in Dallas for decades,this will NEVER pass.It's just something they do every few years that will be put on a back burner and ignored.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • I didn't know Dallas HAD a heart. Good for Dallis if they actually act on this; at least its a token exercise of "community".

    • 2 years ago
  • starlightblue
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      starlightblue  
    • this has already been done and it all went to hell. gangs took over the buildings and residents were over run and terrified. maybe a smaller scale like half way houses. at lease there would be a voice of reason for the mad ones and an element of family for the truly lost ones. goodwill does quite a bit too. men can go and bail up to three times before they are no longer accepted back.

    • 2 years ago
  • shikery
  • bombastinator
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      bombastinator  
    • This is not a new idea. it gets tried every 10 years or so, probably since the 19th century.

      There are all sorts of variations on this theme but in th one where people are simply blindly given housing without controls it generally goes like this:
      The mentally ill ones simply wonder off, and the few who try to make a serious go of it are driven out by the smaller but much more annoying number who turn the places into garbage dumps/brothels/shooting galleries. the property turns to shit, the government steps in and throws a bunch of money at it which doesn't help, or winds up bulldozing everything.

      In the 70s-90s the poster child for this kind of thing was a place called Cabrini Green in Chicago.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini-Green

    • 2 years ago
  • rockstarmillionaire
  • ScorpioGee
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      ScorpioGee  
    • "I also guarantee drugs, booze and all kinds of bullshit are going to be flying around this housing complex as soon as it opens."

      I understand this Dainjdc but the same risk could be applied to college students living in dorms. Just because the risk is there doesn't mean we should not let worthy people not get the right to experience a stable home life.

      Besides there's a lot of families, women, elderly, and veterans who are poor to lower middle class who are homeless. There are families, who are single parents with children who do not have the family resources to 'shack up' with a family member. If we give them a stable home the probability of educational and economical success in the family and in the individual rises. And I feel that having someone move on up is a better deal than worrying about the few individuals who chose to squander their opportunity.

      As a individual who has experience homelessness for a brief moment in life--and thank god for my family my Mother and I could have experienced it longer--I'm letting you know it's is one of the worst experiences you could ever face in life. I don't wish that on any of my worst enemies.

    • 2 years ago
  • blue_blooded
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      blue_blooded  
    • i think this is worth a try. and i mean a good, wholehearted try.
      i wish people were more open minded about homelessness. it's rarely a choice, and it's NEVER EASY. but i guess people only believe what they've seen.

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
  • shanklinmike
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  
    • Background and Recent History

      The United States is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 25(1) of this document states: "Everyone has the right to ... food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services." [emphasis mine].[1] The explicit nature of the nation's societal contract to meet the housing needs of its citizens is spelled out in the Housing Act of 1949, which stipulates the "realization as soon as feasible of the goal of a decent home ... for every American family."[2] In 1968, The Fair Housing Act made discrimination on the basis of race in the housing market illegal. Regrettably, neither the Universal Declaration nor these landmark laws have solved the problem of homelessness, nor of substandard housing and racial profiling by sellers and realtors.[3]

      In the United States, de-institutionalization of the mentally ill -- unaccompanied by promised outpatient psychiatric and social services -- led to a large increase in the homeless, mentally ill population in the late 1970s. The number of homeless grew in the 1980s, as housing and social service cuts increased. This was in part a consequence of the transfer of federal dollars to a huge military buildup (including the spectacularly wasteful and unsuccessful "Star Wars" strategic missile defense initiative) and consequent large budget deficits. Fortunately, public compassion soared, and in 1986, 5 million Americans joined hands across the country to raise money for homeless programs (May 25, 1986 Hands Across America). In 1987, the McKinney Act authorized millions of dollars for housing and hunger relief.

      Epidemiology

      Almost 20 years later, homelessness is largely ignored by the mainstream press and the general public, and the numbers affected continue to grow. Over 7% of persons living in the United States have been homeless (defined as sleeping in shelters, the street, abandoned buildings, cars, or bus and train stations) at some point in their lives.[4] Homelessness rates have increased over each of the past 2 decades. An estimated 2.5 to 3.5 million people now experience homelessness each year.[5,6] Approximately half are families with children, the fastest-growing segment of the homeless population.[5,6] In 1 study,[7] youth had a 1-year rate of homelessness of at least 1 night of 7.6%.

      Although 20% of homeless persons maintain full- or part-time jobs,[8] only 5% are privately insured, often through COBRA

      more...http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/481800

    • 2 years ago
  • dabne
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      dabne  
    • This is a novel idea?

      Give free housing to people who mostly have made poor decisions in their lives. Most of whom have chosen addiction over working and being a contributor to society.

      I can hear them now.

      "Hell, forgot about working, I'll just continue to beg for booze, and let the hardworking taxpayers provide me with my own brand new apartment. A luxury a lot of hard working productive citizens can barely afford since their high taxes are taking care of me."

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
    • dabne:

      too bad they don't give jobs to everyone, and high salaries and guess what? Some people aren't born rich too. College cost money, food cost money, rent cost money, umm going to the doctor cost money the damn suit shoes, gas, car, train ticket, bus pass cost f-ing money. I guess we should blame poor people for being poor, after-all being a loser in the money game is your fault.

      Remember this phrase: born poor die poor.

      I know its crazy but thats America. Douche.

    • 2 years ago
  • dabne
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      dabne  
    • dabne:

      Born poor die poor is just pure bullshit. Capitalism allows us all an opportunity to make something out of nothing. And who ever said we all have to be rich. I consider living within your means rich. If you don't work and earn your way than you don't deserve to be a part of society.

    • 2 years ago
  • numinant
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      numinant  
    • dabne:

      You literally can't make something out of nothing. Something is borne of something. Of opportunity, education, nutrition, empowerment. Why would anyone choose to have a miserable livelihood?

    • 2 years ago
  • sickinjersey
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • dabne:

      Dabne, your slippery slope of "if we give them an inch, they'll take a mile" doesn't really hold up. While that would be the easy answer so we don't have to do anything about the problem, it's just not true.

      "You literally can't make something out of nothing. Something is borne of something. Of opportunity, education, nutrition, empowerment. Why would anyone choose to have a miserable livelihood?"

      numinant is exactly correct. I think the key there is opportunity and nutrition; The latter is a vital necessity to maintaining a good mind and body to accomplish goals, and if you're born impoverished or in some way made to be, it's nigh impossible to get on your feet enough to receive the same education and opportunities as someone who was born wealthier or at least born in an area where there are more opportunities. You can work and sweat and toil your entire life, and in the end you might never reach your goals because most people in certain echelons of power only respect money.

      -That- is the reality of capitalism.

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • dabne:

      dabne... very typical comment from someone who doesn't really understand how capitalism works. Capitalism is the best way to keep poor people poor.

      Tell me how a woman working two minimal wage jobs (only part time, because that's how poor people are exploited - give them more work and less benefits) who is taking care of her children with a husband who cannot get a job because he had to drop out of school to get a job to support his poor family (and is unqualified for many well paying jobs) will have the time to get the training to get yet another job that pays maybe a few dollars over min wage. (sorry bout the run-on).

    • 2 years ago
  • dabne
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      dabne  
    • dabne:

      A Capitalist nation is run by the capitalists no doubt, but nobody ever said that the common worker who chooses his or her own Capitalist to work for cannot at any time step out and try to become a Capitalist themselves. That is the beauty of our Nation. Some succeed, some do not. Not everyone can. But they do have the opportunity to fight for it, by toil and determination.

      Most Americans are trying to have a standard of living that just isn't within their means. They own too much shit they don't need and yet they expect the rich to pick up their tab on what they can't. Americans need to reevaluate their standard of living and take care of things like health insurance before they buy an iphone and order Direct TV. They need to not buy a brand new car if they can only afford a used car.

      We live in a society where the so called poor walk around in new clothes, yap on their cell phones, and put a new sound system in their car. But of course they can't afford rent or health care. But no worries the rich will cover that.

    • 2 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • dabne:

      I agree with you on all of these points, Dabne. I think the majority of Americans do not understand what "real" poverty is, and are, on the whole, far too indulgent.

      But... what, exactly, does this have to do with the homeless situation? I haven't found any conclusive evidence showing that the majority of homeless bought themselves out of a living situation.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • ToBe,

      I suspect (hope) that you already know that that there are thousands and thousands of people all over this country who "give a damn." In fact if the problem could have been solved with just money and concern (i.e., giving a damn) the problem would be a tiny fraction of what it is today. The fact that the problem HASN'T shrunk makes your frustration perfectly understandable.

      But as has been noted by a few of the posts on this thread already, the problem is very complex. I grew up in a very, very poor household, and I know only too well from looking around my old "neighborhood" that poverty, crime, and substance abuse are almost inextricably intertwined in this country. But I can't imagine the cost of trying to address all of these needs as part of the housing project -- substance abuse counseling and rehabilitation, job training, halfway houses, after school programs, etc.

    • 2 years ago
  • ToBeNowhere
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      ToBeNowhere  
    • cztheday:

      Cztheday, I do know that there are many people who give a damn. (Also the wording of the post is directly from the site I found it on, check the link.) Like you I also grew up in a very poor home. My family and I lived in the inner city in a home with dirt floors. So please know that I fully understand that poverty and homelessness is a complex situation and that giving a damn alone doesn't fix it. But, giving a damn is a start, and anything that even begins to help is appreciated.

    • 2 years ago
  • Mob_Barley
  • dainjdc
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      dainjdc  
    • Is this supposed to be permanent housing for them or temporary? 98% of them are just going to abuse this privilege. I also guarantee drugs, booze and all kinds of bullshit are going to be flying around this housing complex as soon as it opens. These new buildings will become so disgusting so fast and I think it's a bad idea but I don't know what else you can do. I live in LA and let me tell you, Skid Row and other parts downtown are foul and sometimes scary. There's always shady shit goin down and people being all sketchy and drugged out. (In the case of downtown LA) I think if you give these people free housing it's just opening a new door that would in no way help the situation. It would get them off the streets but instead of solving the problem it would just give it a home.
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    • 2 years ago
  • blue_blooded
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      blue_blooded  
    • dainjdc:

      thats exactly the type of thinking that keeps homeless people from turning their lives around. if someone falls on hard times, and are forced to the street, the common assumption is that they are dirty, deceiving, uneducated thieves. they could have been ur neighbor, co-worker, friend who found themselves in a bad situation. But people just like to keep their assumptions instead of helping someone who needs it. do u think it's easy to get a job if ur homeless? you ever try to give in a job application without an address of phone number. GOOD LUCK!
      would u like it if people assumed the same from you?

    • 2 years ago
  • dainjdc
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      dainjdc  
    • dainjdc:

      I understand that there are homeless people that just need help too. That's why I think that they should have some regulation on this housing idea that can weed out the the people that need help and the people that're looking for a free handout. Trust me, a lot of the homeless people I've encountered in LA are just looking for a handout and don't care about turning their life around.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • RaceBannon
  • dainjdc
  • GodsnLiberals
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • numinant
  • GodsnLiberals
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • Yes!! This looks very promising! My only concern is those who end up choosing to be homeless so they can recieve free housing... there might be a large group of those people unless there is some way to regulate it (even pushing the previously homeless to get a job.)

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
  • beingwoman
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      beingwoman  
    • JosephJinx:

      See, why think like that? We have homelessness for many reasons; and if they had a home that would lead to having an address and a shower and a job- but not so fast just because you have a job- doesn't mean you can afford an apartment. This is a great idea.
      Social Justice does work--noticed how Ireland isn't blowing stuff and people up?? Oh yeah- jobs and home and shoes for their children...

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
  • adveritas
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      adveritas  
    • JosephJinx:

      taking a closer look at the homeless shows that they aren't people who want to be devoid of responsibility or go to shelters for free food and housing just because they don't want to do it on their own. I've talked to thousands of homeless people at shelters and most of them have found themselves there through circumstances created from their mistakes and most often than not other people's mistakes (i.e. fires, family...). So it's a mistake to overlook agency, which is why this program looks like it is going to be great as long as it really aims to help get people opportunities they've lost.

    • 2 years ago
  • Teknique
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      Teknique  
    • JosephJinx:

      I agree i think any action dealing with helping the homeless should involve educating and enabling whom ever the recipients are. To bring them to a situation that is more positive than the one they may find themselves currently.

    • 2 years ago
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