KUCINICH AMENDMENT PASSES

02, couldn't have said it better myself.

How can a horribly expensive, unnecessary, immoral additional layer of bureaucracy that makes hundreds of billions of dollars yearly by price gouging healthy Americans and denying often desperately needed medical care to sick ones...ever possibly be a workable model for us?

02, I agree these insurance company's are blood suckers and need to be taught a lesson. Now the shoe is on the other foot and they are fighting a single payer system by spending 1.4 million dollars a day lobbying our congress. If they don't pass some sort of public option the system will collapse soon and doctors will be in the street like the rest of looking for a job. There will be blood, FREEDOM.

All these ideas seem logical - if you're a nice little worker-bee/slave. After all, you don't have a life anyway - and why shouldn't the insurance industry take a piece of you?
Why not have doctors compete for your business? By proving with internet access of a medical client history? -A specified data document that accounts their ability, quality.
No insurance allowed - at all. Doctors should have a work estimate schedule - just like cars.
Your mechanic goes to his computer and puts in "change starter" - and he gets an accurate parts and labor estimate. That's what he puts in his estimate to you.

You'd get just about the same estimate from every doctor - but you'd also get a quality status on the doctor him/herself.

No insurance means no outside, superfluous, utterly unnecessary industrial parasite choking the life-blood of our health-care. Your health care.

Why on earth do you think you are paying all this? All these prices and costs are artificial. It is theft. They are sucking the fruits of your very life.

There needs to be a near revolutionary response to this aspect of their "free-enterprise" theft of American wealth.

They need to go get another job. And doctors need to go back to work - like they promised.

There is something called the "earned income" tax credit for poor working Americans. It used to be only for those with children in the household, but that might have changed (not sure) under Clinton.

Anyway, the theory is if you paid wage taxes and can't afford them, you get them back in an income tax refund. That's why republicans are technically lieing when they say "some people get back more than they paid in". Only more than they paid in income tax, but not federal taxes. The earned income tax credit gives you back what you paid in if you're below a certain level, on a sliding scale. They realize someone making $10,000 cannot afford to pay an additional $750 (half of Medicare's 2.9 and SS's 12.4%, split between employers and employees).

At least that's the way it was last time I checked. Keeping up with these things can be like following moving targets.

This is great! It's a lot better than California's governor's stupid idea of having employers pay for the employee's insurance.

I understand that employers need to take care of their employees. But, in the end, it will hurt small, mom-and-pop businesses such as my parent's.

An 8% medicare tax that is split 1/2 and 1/2 with the employer sounds good to me compared to paying $200 to $300 per month for health insurance through an employer. And paying the current medicare tax that is right now at aproximately 2%. It would mean a substantial increase in deductions from people's paychecks but the benefits will be tremendous in the long run. It will be a great savings to some and a burden to others. That is inevitable and unfortunate. Meaning it would impact people who make 20K to 30K less than it would impact people making 120K to 150K. 4% is a chunk of change. 6 thousand dollars ($6000) a year for healthcare. OMD what a horrible amount of money...(sarcasm).

A healthy citizenry creates a strong country and a productive country as well. As someone mentioned earlier there would be great capital incentives because employers will be freed up by spending less on health care coverage and they can invest in creating more jobs.

There are a lot of good things that would come from a Single Payer system.

I say we use Kucinich's gold at the end of his rainbow to finance healthcare. Unless he blew ita ll on his hot wife.

All right now that I've got the purile elements out in the air. I have to say I love this guy. He's the only democrat with a backbone. I just wish the backbone made him taller and made people realize he was a viable national candidate.

evoleon is justifiably sceptical,....nevertheless-
GO Mr K!.

Actually, maybe after we have a depression people will wise up, maybe they will force the government to do what they want. There is too much apathy in this country. As far as the potatoes joke, I do have an organic farm sooo, you aren't really that far off (I do have a few other jobs).As far as the depression I don't think any sane person would ever want that to happen to their country, it will cause a HUGE drop in the standard of living.

I don't know I just think we live off of two different trains of thought here on current. I know that usually anything the government does is bloated and inefficient (compared to even a charitable organization), just look at the school system. That's why people like me would prefer the gov. staying out practically all forms of business. There is no centralized planning and no golden parachutes. If you fail then you fail, no money from us. You have low taxes because there are no huge spending programs. The government is essentially a "neglectful" one, by your process, but it frees itself from outside manipulation from big business. There is no income tax, just a flat tax from sales tax. By forcing the government to be small you allow small business to take many of its previous functions.

You probably are thinking what a retard blah blah blah, he is being manipulated by big corporations... A state has rights to do what it wants. If it wants pot to be legal, it's fine (though many of us want a decriminalization of all drugs). If a state wants to have a healthcare program they can, it's their right. My idea is to only allow the states to choose their destiny, not Washington.

So in the end many of my kind of thinkers want states to determine what they will have not the federal government. We should essentially strip them bare of responsibility and prevent them from making massive changes and collecting even more massive debt. Is a single payer system bad, good, or just descent? I don't know, but I want people to have a right to change their individual states to determine it.

asherp, do you have a link to the source? My husband has great trouble reading dark gray fonts on a grey background. Thanks in advance. :)

They're not going to pass this. All that money swallows them on all levels.
They are there to make money for all who they are there to make money for.

That's it. "Good," "correct," "right," - they are just not on the menu.

What this country needs is a health-care strike. No one pays for health care at all. Health problems go to an emergency and no body pays.

Could be for a specified time. Say one month. They send in an "October Strike Payment" for all med bills (which is zero money).

We threaten it again - and again - until the insurance industry is out and one-payer is in.

Otherwise - it'll never happen - and your bills will go up.

The only way any of us will see change from them is when they make more money. And you will be paying it.
This is one of those revolutionary wars that will either be fought or simply lost.

And you -will be- the loser.

Does anybody believe national health care will pass now?

Something is going to happen, and chicken shit "concerned trolls" aren't going to stop it.

There is just too much money to be made. It will never happen. Washington is too corrupt. They want to help the lobbyist and not the people. Plus we have given all of our money to the banks and now they want another bailout. We are screwed. Things are going to get worse. No one wants our currency/debt. It's only a matter of time before the US enters a depression.

The savings will pay for itself. Guaranteed healthcare for all will free employers to hire needed help for expansion.

How are we going to afford this again?

this is great!

F-ing-A super plus!!! States should absolutely retain their own governance in deciding whether to fund their own single payer systems. WHY?? The reason why is because each state retains the right to attract as many people as it chooses by offering itself as the best state within this union. Workers throughout America have the right to move about as they choose to states which they feel best suit their particular financial situations, without fear of arrest or other forms of state persecution.

This is exactly how a represenitive government is suppose to work.

see, this is kucinich right where he need him, gettin shit done.

nice.

This is great news after all this is how the Canadian system overhaul happened one province at a time. Making the people in other states realize the true potential of a single payer system in this economic world of today will make it happen nationwide even faster.

Amen, we need to keep this issue at the forefront of their attention. Remember, "the squeekie wheel gets the oil."