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Matthew Shepard Act Passes Congress

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Matthew Shepard was a student at the University of Wyoming who was murdered near Laramie, Wyoming in 1998. His murder shocked the nation and spurred activism against anti-gay violence.

The Matthew Shepard Act, or the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, passed Congress. If signed by President Barack Obama, the act will expand the 1969 United States federal hate-crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.

Barack Obama will sign this bill into law shortly, unless he has some sort of sudden change of heart. Basically, attacking someone for his/her sexual orientation will now be a federal offense, akin to attacking someone because of his/her skin color.

Some conservatives who opposed the act originally did so fearing that this act would muzzle free speech regarding homosexuality. They were afraid that making comments stating that homosexuality is immoral would be construed as inciting violence against them.

The act as passed contains the following provision, “Nothing in this Act…shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.” The inclusion of this provision alleviated some concerns regarding the prohibition of speech regarding homosexuality.


How do you feel about the Matthew Shepard Act? Should anti-gay crimes be viewed as the same as racist crimes?
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  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • JosephJinx,

      Perhaps the thread has run it's course, and I'll be in contact for more back and forth, but let me end with one of my e-buddies video. He runs an internet forum, www.rys2sense.com, he's made dozens of YouTube videos and he's has recently made a video which further illustrates my point with the insincerity of the Anti-Defamation League when it comes to the racism they claim to decry.

      You can also check my profile for a video I made called "Complete Silence From the ADL On Racist Obama Video" if you want more on the ADL and Zionism in general

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • So I called Rep. John Conyers Washinton DC (District of Criminals) office today to find out who actually wrote the hate crimes bill. I was transferred to his judicial representative where I was greeted with nervous laughter from the gentleman I spoke with when I asked him directly who was its author.

      He couldn't answer, and he preferred to say that the authors were most likely different people who he could not name.

      When I asked him were there any special intrests groups involved with authoring the bill he said that I should probably look into the the history of the hate crimes legislation.

      Well when I look into the history of the hate crimes legislation, I've already confirmed that the Anti-Defamation League are the authors of the original 1994 legislation, and the ADL brags that they have persuaded 45 states to adopt legislation based on their original framework.

      The ADL wants to tell law enforcement who they should go after via theri Law Enforcement Agency Resource Network program:

      http://www.adl.org/learn/default.htm

      Hey wait a minute, were is the ADL when the police attack, arrent, taser, beat and murder citizens based on their color. Nowhere to be found.

      There are many conflicts of interest with the ADL writing legislation and with partnering with local and federal law enforcement agencies. Remember, this special interest group is for the advancement of Jews first, and then all others after that.

    • 3 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • maasanova:

      Nice investigation! I applaud your thoroughness.

      However, I think it's unfair to take a private organization such as the ADL and say they're in the wrong because they can't cover or deal with -ALL- the bias and prejudices that happen in the nation. It just makes sense to focus on one; you get more done that way.

      And, isn't it possible that the ADL, while a "Jews first" organization, just wants to help end hate crimes? What exactly could they gain from this legislation after the "free speech" part has been dealt with?

      I think at this point with the thread it'd be best to just agree to disagree, but please message me and let's continue this discussion; I'd love to have some more back-and-forth with you!

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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      funnicus [removed]  
    • This is such a relief, now when a gay beats me up for being straight, I can yell "hater hater hater" and get him locked up in federal prison. (nicer than state by the way) So this legislation just reduces punishment by allowing them into a nice federal prison where the mattresses are 6" thick as opposed to 1" thick. The criminal world knows it's always best to go fed.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
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    • From the ADL's own website:

      "In June 1993, the United States Supreme Court upheld a Wisconsin hate crime statute that was based on model legislation originally DRAFTED BY the Anti-Defamation League of B'Nai Birith (ADL) in 1981."

      Also, here is more on the ADL and their involvement with authoring the hate crimes legislation:

      "ADL Director declares war on freedom of speech"

      http://www.examiner.com/x-9462-LA-Independent-Examiner~y2009m6d1-ADL-director-de...

      "In 1988 the ADL gave out an award to law student Joseph Ribikoff for writing a proposed hate crime bill that would criminalize hate speech against gays and minorities."

      The ADL writes laws for the US. Why? They are a special interest group that is supposedly just looking out for the well being of Jews, however that is not what the organization is all about.

      They claim to be looking out for the well-being or ALL, but their own mission statement suggests that they are for the well being of Jews first and foremost, and then everyone else after that. To me that's is kind of a supremacist ideology, and one that is unconducive to tolerance just by it's very nature.

      And even their own mission statement is a lie. They don't care how many Palestinian Christians and Muslims are persecuted in Israel, because the ideology of this organization is rooted in Zionist supremacy Go and check out their website. So how can they be really after the well-being of Jews and minorities here in the US when they turn a blind eye to the hatred of Christians, Muslims and just about everyone else in the State of Israel?

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • maasanova:

      While you raise some valid points, nowhere in this article does it say or even infer that the ADL authored the LLEHCPA. They obviously support it, but the fact that they wrote up the Act seems to be an assumption.

      I'm not trying to defend the ADL, it seems like they have plenty of unsavory things to warrant my distrust/disgust. This doesn't seem to be one of them, however. Also, I mean.. if this is true, shouldn't there be case studies showing how racists/homophobes/etc. react to punishment based on their ideas rather than their actions? I would assume psychologists would have been on this long ago.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • @funnicus

      Lot's problems with this statement here. Surely you can't be suggesting that the way to fight intolerance is with more intolerance.

      I'll be the first person to admit that many Christians are intolerant to many things outside of Christianity, however you seem to be suggesting that all Christians are haters. How did you come up with that?

      Second, you suggested that bibles should be burned even before selling them from the fiction section of bookstores. I have no problem with selling bibles from the fiction section (it's rather amusing), but surely your solution of burning bibles suggests a high degree of intolerance towards Christianity.

      Perhaps you've never heard the quote by the German poet and playwright Heinrich Heine (a repudiated Jew who converted to Christianity): "“Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people."

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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    • maasanova:

      The hate for gays is directly from the bible. It says that gays are not fit to live etc. It also says things like love your enemies, and be nice to them because that's like throwing HOT COALS ON THEIR HEAD!?
      It says that bashing babies heads in can make you happy in leviticus. It says that jews are god's favorites too. Christians are indeed haters. They hate people who think that sex is not dirty, they think that fucking is obscene, but worshipping a statue of a man being tortured to death is normal.
      And I can't believe you quoted such an absurd statement. "where they burn books they will also burn people" Am I supposed to believe anything just because some guy was a "playwrite"? I don't get you.

      "where they will erase tapes they will also kill people"
      What if they erased some words of a book, does that mean they would amputate people? Right!
      Way to think man. You have some evolution to do.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • maasanova:

      Dude I think that you'd really be surprised to find out that people (not just Christians) have evolved over a thousand years or so.

      While I agree with your views that Christianity is not a perfect religion (nor any religion for that matter that's why I'm agnostic), I only added the quote to point out that it seems rather silly and counter-productive to fight intolerance with intolerance, and this seems to be the approach of the ADL

      And furthermore, for all the grandstanding the Anti-Defamation League does about hate crimes, they could probably do better by cleaning up their own backyard rather than focusing on America. Israel in general, for which the ADL is an unofficial mouthpiece, is mired in hatred for non-Jews, both against Christians and Muslims.

      But nope, you never hear the ADL speak out against that hatred.

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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    • maasanova:

      Fight intolerance with tolerance? I was just eliminating the middle men and going straight to the source of "intolerance" which is the bible. Not sure what you are saying. Tolerate the intolerance? Not into that passive sort of loser fighting. I say kick ass and chew bubble gum, and we are all out of bubble gum.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • maasanova:

      I don't know man, you should probably do a bit more reading on the subject before you go throwing out the baby along with the bathwater. Your notion of Christians across the board as being intolerant to gays is just not based on reality.

      I'm not sure how you could have overlooked the fact that Christians and churches have become more tolerant to gays and lesbians than ever in history, even letting openly gay members become part of the clergy.

      And also I've been to so many churches where openly gay members were part of, and often leading the choirs. I've got first hand experience with that as one of the church's I went to had an openly gay musical director. He was a close friend of the family until he moved away.

      Hell even if you read some of the stories in the bible, Jesus condemned the actions and lifestyles of many, but he still kicked it with them.

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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    • maasanova:

      I don't know where you get this notion that christians have evolved. I am from the bible belt dark pit of christianity. They will tell you that every word in the bible is from god's mouth. They will tell you that you are cursed and damned if you add or subtract one word from their book. Their book is racist and hateful.

      I got to give them credit for having an open mind... they will believe all kinds of crazy shit. But it has to be their shit like as in the bible. Fire breathing dragons, giants, talking donkeys, you name it, they'll believe it. Unlike athiests, who are even more annoying, they don't believe anything. I think they even question whether or not they are alive.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • GrinningSatyr
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      GrinningSatyr  
    • This has been a long time coming.

      If someone beats me up, that's terrible. If someone beats me up because I have the biological predisposition to find men attractive, that's another story.

      This legislation essentially criminalizes homophobia. It makes it so that comitting a crime based solely on someone's (race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, etc.) is even less acceptable than just committing the crime.

      This legislation also provides a deterrent: if the ONLY reason someone is going to beat me up is because I'm gay, they'll think twice because the sentence and punishment is twice as heavy. If they have another reason for doing so (I'm an asshole, for example), then this won't have anything to do with it.

      I'll feel safer, whether or not it actually does anything.

      Did anyone else notice that "disability" was slipped in there too? That's an important step, too.

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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    • GrinningSatyr:

      The new law will only convict thugs who are dumb enough to say they did it because you were gay.
      What did you expect them to answer the question honestly, knowing the increased penalty? And anyone can now retaliate back by claiming they are gay to inflict vengeance.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • funnicus
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      funnicus [removed]  
    • Maybe it's a step in the right direction to get the Bible removed from the clutches of the haters. Burn them, or make them sell them in the fiction section where they belong. They need to address the source of the problem rather than this band-aid.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • funnicus:

      @ funnicus

      Lot's problems with this statement here. Surely you can't be suggesting that the way to fight intolerance is with more intolerance.

      I'll be the first person to admit that many Christians are intolerant to many things outside of Christianity, however you seem to be suggesting that all Christians are haters. How did you come up with that?

      Second, you suggested that bibles should be burned even before selling them from the fiction section of bookstores. I have no problem with selling bibles from the fiction section (it's rather amusing), but surely your solution of burning bibles suggests a high degree of intolerance towards Christianity.

      Perhaps you've never heard the quote by the German poet and playwright Heinrich Heine (a repudiated Jew who converted to Christianity): "“Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people."

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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    • funnicus:

      Well, the bible says that homosexuals "are not fit to live"
      So you think the country should be based upon this book? I knew I would extract a knee-jerk reaction to the burning book thing, but left it in. Burn can mean more than in a literal sense right? What if the bible said that men can beat their wives if they don't obey them, or that it can make you happy to smash babies heads in? Oh wait it does say that. And btw, burning a book is just that, burning a book.

    • 3 years ago
  • beatjunkie234
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Sorry, but from my research, which is pretty well documented, the Anti-Defamation League were the authors of the bill.

      If you can prove that someone other than the Anti-Defamation league, or someone connected to this organisation were the authors of the bill, please let me know, because the last thing I want to do is pass of disinformation.

    • 3 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • maasanova:

      Well documented, but I wouldn't say credible. The Christian Science Monitor, while having Pulitzer prize-winning writers, is one source, and can fall to bias much like any publication. While I find the article very engaging, it's still only one article; I can't find much more on this topic.

      While I can't prove that the ADL didn't write that legislation, it doesn't mean they did. If I can't prove that God doesn't exist, it doesn't mean God exists. It just means I can't prove it.

      If you know of any more sources on this, please let me know; until then, or until I find them myself, I'm going to have to side with the fact that people are more likely to be deterred from a crime when it carries a heavier sentence, and will thusly deter would-be bashers from going through with their crimes.

      I'm not saying the CSM's interpretation of how those like-minded people would react (being empowered by the law instead) is wrong, but as you said, we're not trying to criminalize their ideas - only their actions, and this law seems to be a useful preemptive measure against those that want to commit crimes, or actions, fueled by ideas, even if authored by a lobbying group.

      Also, the free speech problem.. if they took that out of the legislation, then wouldn't it be constitutuonal?

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • maasanova:

      A lot of people sponsored the bill, that's not the question. The issue at hand should be, who wrote the bill and what is their political/social or religious agenda?

      So based on what you could find, who wrote the bill?

    • 3 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • maasanova:

      I couldn't find anything on who wrote the actual bill. Where did you find that the ADL had written it?

      Also, would it not be less who wrote it and why, as opposed to how it's actually going to affect the nation?

      Reading over some more of the CSM's points, I agree on many levels. It's far too difficult to pin down exactly why a crime was committed; not to mention the perp could change their story at any time. Punishing someone for their intent/reasoning can be a very grey area in the end and could lead to a swath of injustices.

      What could be a recourse to this to lessen hate crimes, then? Is it in the interest of the federal government to start tolerance/acceptance education initiatives? I'm just not sure of the alternatives here.

    • 3 years ago
  • JosephJinx
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      JosephJinx  
    • Hmm. I'm enjoying seeing the diversity of points here.

      One thing I'd like to note... while on the surface it would seem that we, as a society, are moving away from the need for special group protection laws such as this, crimes motivated solely by a personality factor can be extremely detrimental to the society if examples are not made.

      While I personally do not feel that someone should get a heavier sentence for beating up a gay person instead of a straight person, the government has the right to create laws that more heavily discourage actions fueled by schools of thought that the society on a whole is hoping to weed out; i.e., homophobia. I would not agree to this practice when applied to most things, as some of these "schools of thought" may be purely undestructive opinion.

      However, I see homophobia no different from racism or sexism; discrimination based on a factor of a person's personality. You should be able to say whatever you want on the matter; attacking someone based on a belief, however... I can understand why this passed.

      @maasa- Very interesting, I need to look into the ADL more.

    • 3 years ago
  • current89
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Hate crimes legislation has been around for decades, long before Matthew Shepard was even born, and has constantly been forced through Congress by the Anti-Defamation League. Most of the time, the legislation has been defeated because it often contained attacks on free speech, just like it did this time around.

      Hate crimes legislation has it's roots in the Russian Bolshevik Revolution and was brought forth into America by the great Marxists of the 20th century after they took over the America education system via its top universities.

      Unfortunately, Matthew Shepard was just used as crude propaganda by the mainstream media and the Anti-Defamation League. As I've said in another thread on this topic, "nothing should nothing more insulting to gays than their causes and well being used as political football."

      The real question should be this: why does the American political and legal system allow the Anti-Defamation League, a private, special interest Lobby (which admittedly is for Jews first and all others second), acting unofficially as the mouthpiece of a foreign government writing our laws.

      Something to chew on.

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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    • maasanova:

      you certainly have it out for the ADL, but it is misleading to say they were the only sponsor of this bill. Support for this came from many directions and many places.

      Free speech is not threatened, you will still be allowed to verbally bash gays and Jews and whoever else you please. Just don't get physical.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  
    • From what I understand from deputies and residents in the area, Matthew Shephard died, not because he was gay but during a robbery.

      Anti gay, racist, or any other qualifier that elevates a crime to a higher penalty solely due to social status of the victim is a joke and should not be allowed. A special victim class is not needed. There are ample laws providing for punishment of anyone who robs, beats, kills or whatever a gay person. Increasing the punishment due to social status is the same as compensatory hiring or racial quotas.

      The entire concept of this violates common sense and equal treatment.

    • 3 years ago
  • funnicus
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      funnicus [removed]  
    • If you fight somebody, you obviously hate something about them. What's the difference what it is you hate?
      Will there be a special protection for people who wear funny hats?

    • 3 years ago
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • Apparently the U.S. military is above the law, killing innocent Muslims as a matter of policy because of their religion, race, and country.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • H3ADLINE
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      H3ADLINE  
    • The purpose of hate crimes legislation is to ensure that violent crimes targeting minority communities are not allowed to fall through the cracks of local law enforcement because of prejudice. When violent crimes are used to terrorize a minority group and not simply an individual, their punishment should reflect that reality.

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Hate crimes laws are so not what you think they are.

      They are written by special interests groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). These groups don't care about gays or minorities; these groups are actually anti-Christian, because Christians actually are a barrier to their Communist agenda so they use gays and minorities by pitting them against the white majority.

      I feel pretty ok saying that as I am neither white, nor Christian, nor homophobic.

      Hate crimes are a danger to free speech and that has been proven because an amendment had to be added to this bill because it really did violate the first amendment.

      "Hate-crime legislation would backfire"

      http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0710/p09s02-coop.html

      Prosecute violent criminals for their actions, not their ideas.

      The law would expand federal jurisdiction from crimes motivated by the victim's race, color, religion, or national origin to include the victim's gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. It also disconnects the prosecution from traditional civil rights statutes such that whole categories of intrastate crimes successfully prosecuted by state courts would become the business of the federal government.

      There are two problems with the proposed law. First, crimes motivated by racial animus, misogyny, or homophobia are already recognized as atrocities and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No new law is needed. Second, making the ideology of the perpetrator a centerpiece of the trial doesn't deter like-minded extremists; it encourages them. "

    • 3 years ago
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  • pinkerbelle
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      pinkerbelle  
    • this should really be of common knowledge. doing harm to anyone is a crime, doesn't matter what their race, gender, sexual orientation etc is. gawd, people are such dumbasses!!!!!

      this doesn't need congress to decide anything, and signing this should be as easy as pie. violence is not tolerable no matter what the circumstances are...o wait, if that were tru there wouldn't be any wars going on

    • 3 years ago
  • fierceandunbothered
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      fierceandunbothered  
    • thank god...maybe now some justice will be brought to the queer community.

      as to the last question, discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. death or violence aren't easier or harder to take because the person who committed the act was decided to do so because of the person's race or sexuality or gender identity/expression.

    • 3 years ago
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