Obama regrets 'stupid' comments
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Mr Obama has faced criticism for wading into the controversy during a televised news conference on Wednesday.
Professor Gates was apprehended at his own home after a witness saw him apparently trying to force his way in.
He was held for disorderly conduct after allegedly accusing the arresting officer, Sgt James Crowley, of racism.
Making a surprise appearance at the daily White House press briefing, Mr Obama said he should have chosen his words more carefully at his Wednesday news conference.
"Because this has been ratcheting up and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up, I wanted to make clear in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sgt Crowley specifically," Mr Obama said.
"I could have calibrated those words differently," he added
Mr Obama also revealed that he had spoken to Sgt Crowley on the telephone, and described him as an "outstanding police officer and a good man".
He said he continued to believe that Professor Gates's arrest was "an overreaction", but that "Professor Gates probably overreacted as well".
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- ras_menelik
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Blkwdw
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What is stupid to me is that people still don't understand the historical significance of the relationship between the police or in earlier days the overseer, and African Americans. In the black community the police represent repression, violence, hate and intimidation. They can search You, without just cause shoot you and say oops and keep it moving. If any white man can say, he and at least 3 of his male family members or friends have been stopped by the police and detained for no apparent reason or legitimate reason in the past 3 years, fine if not then racial profiling is real.
- 2 years ago
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Blkwdw
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SNJ
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Amazed that the media would choose to focus so much attention on the language used. Stupidly is not the worst word I have heard. Yes there is a tendency to arrest a black, or another ethnicity before a white person is arrested. Racism is real and should be addressed. The media attacked the president for having feelings on this issue, instead of talking about the insurance companies making record profits, and not insuring people with pre-exisiting conditions like menopause. I admire the president for speaking his truth. Much better than running a country in secret behind closed doors.
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SNJ
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courage
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if i was the cop i wouldnt sit down and drink a beer with those two racist
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hunzedog
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at least he didnt call him retarted
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hunzedog
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nursediesel
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Wouldn't it clear things up if there was a recording of the whole thing? Guess we'll never really know.
I'm sure we'll hear about this story again.
It was nice debating the issue. - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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TheEmpireGuy
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Whoa!
I knew this story would stir up trouble, but not near this much.Anyway, thanks for the lively debate.
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TheEmpireGuy
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nursediesel
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He took a limo home from the airport, the limo driver was the other man trying to force the door open.
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nursediesel
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Conniepae
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Has anyone said how the professor got home? Was his car in the drive? Did he arrive in a cab? I think his mode of arrival would have been a sign to the neighbor, it was him. Just asking, cause I'm curious? How did he pull up to his home and the neighbor not see him arrive? Did he get there though the back way, climbing over fences, so no one would see him come home?
It really doesn't matter. Once he was shown to be at home, the officer should have excused him and apologized for the intrusion. I'm sure an apology for the mistaken identity would have calmed Mr. Gates attitude. It was obviously a case of mistaken identity.
- 2 years ago
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Conniepae
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xiola
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Kinda reminds me of this:
http://current.com/items/90489773_oklahoma-paramedic-sues-trooper-over-scuffle-c...
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xiola
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AreOh
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Let's be honest. Whether or not you think this was profiling or not, black vs. white or whatever, there is a disturbing trend in this particular post of people not giving any credence at all to Dr. Gates side of the story. Besides the obvious implication of bias this view point reveals, I find it particularly disturbing that some are so willing are to strip this man, this American citizen of his basic right of innocent until proven guilty. Being a clear minded and free thinking individual it is not difficult for to consider both sides of the coin. Being an American in a free thinking society, I extend that privilege to all those who are tax paying contributing members of our society. I would say that if you cannot do the same for your fellow citizens, not only do you have a fundamental bias against those involved (which is called bigotry, by the way) but also with a free and equal society, where ALL citizens are treated with respect and dignity until they are PROVEN not to be worth of that privilege. I would question your belief in the very virtues that our country was founded on. That you know, the Constitution guarantees. I thought we were at least past this. It seems, quite a few still seem to be stuck in the past. For those that are, your opinions have no place in an equal, free thinking society and are the very reason we have such difficult progressing as a nation.
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AreOh
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TrevTar
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Maybe Obama just doesn't really know what to say to such an insignificant case, I mean there's so many more important things our President should be paying attention to. Perhaps he never gave much thought to this case but had to give us, the public, some kind of statement about it.
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TrevTar
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GodsnLiberals
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Obama, a black president of the united states that was voted in by the amercican public, is suggesting that the white man is still after him????????!!!
Where is that TelePrompTer guy, he is so fired!
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GodsnLiberals
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nursediesel
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Gates house was broken into before this incident. Next time maybe the police should say sorry we don't go to that house anymore. Call the state police.
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nursediesel
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eldamon
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nursediesel:
Wow, Barney Fife is going to take his one bullet and go home like a sniffling child? How about they get people that can handle simple situations with some dexterity instead of idiots that make matters worse?
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eldamon
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nursediesel
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nursediesel:
It was the proffessor that over reacted with his instant MFing the police.
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nursediesel
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ks_kickapoo_woman
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Yo Pres. you don't need to apologize, you were right. I'm not sayin that Prof. Gates was right, but our law enforcement need to evaluate situations before acting. If that was me, I would have been pissed off too. No body likes to be confronted with the law ... I know they were doing their job, but he was an older man with a cane. The only reason the Crowley arrested him was cause it hurt his Pride ...
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ks_kickapoo_woman
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remanns
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You have a tenured Harvard prof., in his own home, who is not used to taking lip,....in his world, he is used to being respected, and "on top". Cops are like captains of the ship; they are always "on top" on the beat, its a NECESSARY functional illusion. Cops also take a lot of grief, from "criminals" and folks on the scene, all the time. But they don't like it, (and sometimes someone ends up face down on a sidewalk in cuffs).
What you have here is two monkeys being "on top" at the same time. -It was "stupid" because in the long run, the cop must have known he wasn't going to "WIN" that one, just sucked it up, and left. At best, the community would have ended up paying legal fees. SO,....STUPID, would be a reasonable assessment.
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remanns
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nursediesel
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Does any one ever look at the original facts? The police responde to a call that two black men were attempting toforce entry into the resident. Gates was away on vacation.
The police went to the home, Gates WOULD NOT SHOW THEM ANY ID. Gates began screaming at them about being a black man in America and then began yelling obsenities at the police using MF this and MF that....
The police had to go outside to talk on their walkie- talkies to the station because he was so loud they couldn't hear. When he finally did show ID it was his Harvard card. Which didn't tell them anything!
Except maybe that he's a snob.
By that time Gates was so beligerently out of control they took him in.
Gates arrogent behavior only increases the chasm between the races.
The black police chief and black Mayor and all the whole department have come in on responding officer
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And BTW the responding officer was appointed by the black police chief to teach sensitiveity courses to rookies!
Next time find out the facts.
What a crock of sh*t this whole thing stirred up. - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Wow, where to begin. First of all, the police report was expunged, and the charges were dropped. So what does that tell us? The arrest was bogus. Furthermore, Dr. Gates is an award winning professor at one of the most prestigious schools in the world. So you would take the word over a proven intellectual and educator vs. the word of a police department that is KNOWN to harass minorities at a higher rate that whites. That just screams bias. I can accept that there are always to sides to a story, but what I cannot accept from these type of sentiments is the complete ignoring of the context and facts concerning minorities and law enforcement in America. Opinions are so quick to jump to the defense of law enforcement, without even considering the converse as minorities are continued to be beaten, harassed and even murdered in the streets. This type of ignorance to the facts is dangerous and of the very reasons our country as a whole cannot progress forward. This commentary offers nothing but yet another contribution to the ever present bias of 'guilty until proven innocent' that minorities face everyday.
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Just because he's an award winning professor doesn't give him the right to become beligerent and scream at police, not give his ID when asked for it, when they responded to a reported break in.
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nursediesel
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
I see you completely skipped over the 'report expunged, arrest was bogus part'. Based on this, I see you are unwilling to view the the situation in a fair and rational matter. I have no desire to have a discussion with those that are incapable of intelligent debate. Have a good day.
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
No I didn't over look anything. YOU didn't get the WHOLE story.
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nursediesel
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
LOL! Right. Again, until you can concoct some shred legitimate information that I have not already refuted, I will count you among those that are simply unreasonable and incapable of intelligent discourse.
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Another point - which I can testify to - when you fly around the world, you are fried. You are sleep-deprived and that means you literally don't work right. Your brain does not work the way it should.
Anyone here would look just like that mug shot, before we left the airport.
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nursediesel:
So being tired allows him to refuse to show ID and scream obsenities at the officers?
The ID he finally gave them was his Harvard card that had NO address on it! - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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ras_menelik
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nursediesel:
Sorry Nurse but my life has shown me time and again that a Police report and the Truth or facts have absolutely nothing to do with each other on more than one
occasion.......... - 2 years ago
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nursediesel:
Yeah, once some guy came flying down the road shooting into the sky from of his window. About 20 minutes later a cop rolled up and asked what we saw. We told him, he asked our names and rolled off.
Later I found he wrote on a report that I was suspected of shooting a gun.
Don't EVER give your name to the cops. They are just handing in a some report - and just putting your name on it.
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nursediesel:
AreOh,
The points you make regarding the historic use of profiling -- both formally and informally -- by law enforcement are, of course, valid and on point. However, my understanding is that the officer in question was an expert of some renown on racial profiling. In fact, he was a trainer in the area of getting officers to think BEYOND profiling and to see people as they truly are -- individuals, not "representative samples."
When THIS information came to light, my perspective shifted yet again. Angry Harvard professor, perhaps a bit predetermined to knock heads on this issue if it ever happened to him, coupled with cop who might -- in some little corner of his mind -- have WANTED somebody to make this kind of allegation so he could trot out his qualifications to squash the allegations...the President no doubt took them BOTH by surprise...
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cztheday
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Hey CZ. I read that too actually, which makes his reaction even more puzzling. If he is sensitive to such things, why not explain why he asked him out of the house? Why not produce his ID and present his name when asked? You can ask any honest law enforcement official and while he technically did not commit any crime, his attitude exacerbated the situation. And I've met Dr. Gates. He is not the arrogant, pompous person people are painting him to be. If he is making these allegations, I am sure he has a good reason to be doing so. He is not the type to go off half cocked, so to speak. I think there is not something being said, especially since the police report has been expunged. There are too many inconsistencies in my point of view to simply shrug of the possibility of profiling. But I am aware of Crowley's background, which only makes what went down more puzzling.
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Thank you for your imput.
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nursediesel
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Am I the only one who think's it sounds like Gates was probably in the wrong on this one? I mean sure, the police policies aren't good when dealing when angry people, but it's easy to see what happened. Gates is just back from a long trip, he's frustrated and locked out of his own house, he's already having to break in and probably replace a window or something, then the police show up and accuse him of breaking and entering. That'd be enough for anybody, but he especially will be looking out for racism. His mind is of course gonna immediately go there, so he starts yelling and being uncooperative. The police then follow procedure and arrest him. THe procedure is problematic, but his behavior I think is obviously the reason it was sparked.
We just want to see racism. We create it when it's not always there.
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ProjectBat
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ProjectBat:
I think you're right, generally, - but you're missing the part that talking back at a cop is not a crime - except when police get pissed.
Maybe they should have a new procedure: "Sir, you are forcing me to put in my ear-plugs. Ear-plug charge is $50. per minute. Are you sure you want me to put in my ear-plugs? Sir?"
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JohnA
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I wonder if Obama would have called the police officers stupid if they were black.
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JohnA
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xiola
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JohnA:
As I understand it, some of the officers present at the scene were black. They are corroborating the story of the officer in question. That's what I heard on the news anyway.
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xiola
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JohnA:
I think the Sergent was black.
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DeliaTheArtist
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eldamon
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JohnA:
Stupid comes in many shades. The arresting offer in this case would have been just as stupid if he were plaid.
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eldamon
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Mob_Barley
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JohnA:
................cat got your tongue JoniB?
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Mob_Barley
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xiola
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What a mess. I wouldn't have commented on it. I would have just left it alone--at least until I read the police reports and got all the facts. I'm not mad at him or anything, I just think he kinda stepped in it.
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xiola
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Logos51891
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Barack, you should regret absolutely nothing. This WAS a stupid situation, and the arresting officer needs to go through a couple of classes, because he's a complete idiot. IT WAS HIS HOUSE why should a man be arrested for trying to get into his own place that he probably pays through the nose for? This is wrong on so many levels; to think this is where we are at after fifty years of civil rights issues. Damn it America, grow up already.
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Logos51891
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nursediesel
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The police responded to a call of a possible break in. They did not just decide to pick on a black guy trying to get into his house.
The reaction of both Gates and the President prove racism is alive and living within their hearts.
It's people that feel this way that keep it alive. - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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AreOh
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nursediesel:
Ha, this comment is absurd. It is well documented that the call was reported as 'two black people with backpacks', so they stage was set when the officers arrived on the scene. Also, considering the amount of disproportionate police harassment that minorities have continued to endure for years, I can understand any Black Americans loathing and fear of law enforcement. The only thing their respective reactions prove is that this is still an emotional issue that people like you and John A continue to ignore despite the mountain of evidence contrary to your cries of 'post-racialism'. Ha, Skip Gates and Obama racist? LOL! Try again...
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AreOh
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cztheday
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Heh. John, you and your fellow conservatives on this site crack me up. "Obama's finally showing his true colors" -- that is about the 10th time you have said essentially the same thing, and th 100th time I have seen one of your club saying so.
Neither Obama nor any of his supporters has ever stated or even implied that he is perfect or incapable of error. As you know perfectly well, this whole "Obama as the Messiah" ploy is a construct of right wing Republicans who are bitter about how excited Obama's supporters were at the prospect of having a President who could and did read actual books and coud not only speak English but do so in complete sentences.
My perspective on this matter is that Obama has made a couple of mistakes. The most recent is reversing himself too powerfully in his criticism of the police officer. Until the officer had good reason to believe he was dealing with someone attempting (or completing) a crime, his demeanor should have been pleasant and helpful. Remember, in our system of justice, the officer is to PRESUME innocence until guilt is proven. He is only to arrest upon a finding of Probable Cause.
Gates was being hypersensitive, the cop was being unnecessarily short and brusque and the President was involving himself unwisely in a local matter of limited import. And while I know that alcohol has always caused far more problems than it has ever solved, I am pleased that they are all getting togther for a beer.
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cztheday
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cztheday:
I'm not a Republican, I wouldn't know.
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JohnA
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@JohnA
Really bro, come ON. You are taking what amounts to a passing faux pas and turning it into some kind of revelation for yourself? The only people that would think this implies he is "A true disciple of Rev. Wright" are people that ALREADY think that.
At this point I think everyone has "acted stupidly"- the Professor could have been more respectful, the police could have used better judgment, the President could have found a more appropriate word and the media can stop BEATING THIS INTO THE GROUND any day now...
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DeliaTheArtist
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JohnA
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DeliaTheArtist:
Anyone who can see through the paper thin alibi of I went to his church for 20 years, was married there, had my children baptised there, but I never heard a word he said, does already know it.
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JohnA
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DeliaTheArtist:
I think you are oversimplifying the issue.
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DeliaTheArtist
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JohnA
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Yep, you really stepped in it now Barack. A true disciple of Rev. Wright, but no one would believe it. I guess they believe it now, don't they.
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JohnA
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Being angry at an officer isn't a crime. Gates deserved respect. I'd be angry to if just entering my home from the back door got me a police visit. He's a Harvard professor. You don't start the conversation with "step out of the house." for many black people that was simply an invitation to an arest based on the color of his skin which matched an inacurate description made by a xenophobic white lady in an afluent community with little or no experience with anyone other than rich white people who in my expereicne are the most vile people on the Earth and include folks you realy ought to worry about like Allen Stanford and Bernie Madeoff.
Gates as a leading history professional knew that better than most. Fuck Crowley for thinking that disrespecting him is a crime and getting his back up over the arrest. Crowley did act stupidly and after knowing who Gates was and that he was in his own home in arresting him. Knowing the message that would send. Gates is in addition to being a respected historian is very nonthreatening physically and suffers from a physical disability and requires the use of a cane to walk. Cuffing a man with a cane and dragging him out of his house for loud behaviour? Again Fuck that smug bastard Crowly.
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JohnA
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Barack finally shows his true colors, and now he has to pay the piper. Not much of an apology for calling the police force stupid since he is sworn to uphold the law himself. Everyone knows what you are now Barack, no more play acting Mr. Centrist anymore. You don't care about anyone but your own, and now you slipped up and showed the world just that. So much for the post-racial President, ha!
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JohnA
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AreOh
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JohnA:
Oh John, how I've missed your biased and often inaccurate ramblings in my absence from Current. They alway did bring a smile to my face. Good to see you're views have made little to know progress at all. How have you been?
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AreOh
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Conniepae
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First thing to remember is, who really controls mainstream media. The same ones who helped George W. launch a war of choice on a country, which had not killed one American and was not openly threatening us.
They didn't change. They are out to slant public opinion. They do not want people to support President Obama. They want to use divisive tactics to cast a bad light on the President.
They hung on the 'stupid' comment, to embarrass the President. They are out to shame the President at every opportunity. I don't think they will be able to use sex against him, so they are working at every opportunity to find things, which will make him say 'uncle' and retract his comments. Apparently it's working. They made him uncomfortable enough to regret his 'honest' comment. The cops acted 'stupidly' when they arrested the professor in his own home.
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Conniepae
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Conniepae:
The same media that's been kissing Obama's ass for the last year and a half? What a laugh. Do I really need to bring up the "thrill up the leg" video again?
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JohnA
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Wow, what a back slider. He meant exactly what he said the first time and he was RIGHT. The cop is an IDIOT and should be dealt with accordingly!
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GodsnLiberals
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Gates is a reminder that in America..black people should not be disturbed.
so if you see someone breaking in your house..don't bother to call the cops..its just home Harvard professor or some noble prize winner..
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At least he admitted it, I don't think it was a very big deal but he should of just avoided answering the question. Southcoast, if Obama is the village idiot of a village in Kenya, then we need to incorporate Kenya's education system into ours.
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I don't get how him giving an answer to an unexpected question at the end of a press conference about healthcare is "wading In".
And he was right anyway, the police officer acted stupidly. Hopefully the fellow will lean from his dumb mistake. - 2 years ago
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So amusing. Listening to Gates and 0bama opine on racism is like listening to an arsonist opining on out of control fires. What is truly sad though is that people are surprised seeing now the type of person 0bama is when this is exactly the person who campaigned starting in 2006. I have no doubt the smarmy race purveyor Gates will get money from the taxpayers to make a "documentary" which would appear only on PBS.
A better question is how many people regret voting for 0?
Somewhere Dan Quayle is smiling and in Kenya a village is missing its idiot.
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If we say cops are human, after all - then we have to say, they can't be right 100% of the time.
And that's what they have always taken. They're right, you're wrong.
Plus we need strong, bully-like cops to take care of the bad guys - yes. But then we got bully-types taking care of everybody. And what they say goes.It's like having the school-yard bully take over policing for the school - only the principle ALWAYS backs the bully.
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It wasn't a race thing, but it sure as hell was stupid.
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petercoffin
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this would have been a non-issue if Obama used the word "irrationally" or "illogically" instead of "stupidly."
in any case, the intent is there: to say that arresting a man for breaking and entering after he's proven it's his own home is not very smart.
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stephenthomson:
What are you talking about no one was arrested for breaking and entering?
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xiola
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stephenthomson:
He was arrested for disorderly conduct, I believe...
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xiola
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Honestly i think all three of them acted "stupidly" The president shouldn't have spoken out on something he didn't know all the details. The proffesor shouldn't have freaked out on the cop. The cop shouldn't have got pissed off at the proffesor yelling at him. This isn't a race issue it's an anger issue. Though it's understandable why it went down. I would be pissed too if my friend got arrested by police and some press lady brought it up during a press conference about health care. For the proffesor, i would be pissed to accidently lock myself out of my own home only to have a dumb ass neighbor call the cops on me, then to have a cop show up and ask me what i'm doing and to identify myself. That would probably put me over the edge. Finally for the cop, i would be pissed if i was just doing my job answering a 911 call to be chewed out by a very frustrated college proffesor probably thinking he was called on for being black and trying to calm him down and getting nowhere. That would piss me off. But, what really pisses me off is the news media blowing this out of preportion and making this such a huge story and reporting on it for almost two days straight. That is what pisses me off. I hope they do all get together and have a beer and talk about how annoying the god damn media is.
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What the cops did was stupid and another sign of cos gone wild and abusing thier power. Cops have got to be reigned in they are comletly out of hand.
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Robroy1:
Thank you for your wise comment. I read through all others and all I can see is racism and prejudice. At least our president is man enough to admit his mistakes and move on with the agenda. As for the professor, I would say is a bad customer service from his apartment manager. A staff member should have come to help him out without letting this escalate to this point. They could have let him in, given him a copy of his apt, and charge him for the extra service. Don’t understand the 911 caller being so reflective to call 911, but not give enough thought to even care to know who is her/his neighbor. This brings more than just race issue, and every one of us can from this.
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Robroy1:
right - its not black or white - its just an anger issue. but what happened to Gates could happen to anyone. That's the scary part.
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Robroy1:
Yeah but - maybe not if you're a white guy.
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Ricky84
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It’s nice to hear the president, at the very least, retract his previous statement. Accepted public opinion is a nasty beast and it wasn’t that long ago when blatant racism and sexism were openly accepted. So in light of history I don’t see the justification for simply framing the actions of the police officer as the latest in a long string of racial inequity perpetrated by law enforcement. The specifics of this incident do not confirm the assessment by the president anymore than the specifics surrounding crime in the black community confirm the many generalizations thrown at the feet of African-Americans.
As Americans were taught to regard individual rights and the concept of innocent until proven guilty as right so we really don’t need a president crapping all over those ideals just because it’s socially acceptable nowadays to call police officers stupid racists. - 2 years ago
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Ricky84
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AreOh
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Ricky84:
Interesting view, Rick. However, I do think you are being a bit naive in regards to how the ideals of our country play out in real life. I think you are absolutely correct concerning the ideals of fair play, and individual rights, but however, the reality is that those are not applied fairly across class and color lines. The ACLU released a report last year detailing profiling from state to state, and, down the line, the numbers show that minorities are disproportionately victims of profiling. While I do not condone disrespecting an officer of the law, I will not simply disregard such comments as foolishness. The reality is that there is a precedent being set by modern law enforcement against minorities. This is the core of the problem.
- 2 years ago
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AreOh
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JohnA
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Ricky84:
Not that long ago that blatent sexism and racism were openly accepted. Yeah, only about a year ago during Barack's Presidential campaign. He practiced it daily. Just ask Bill and Hillary.
- 2 years ago
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JohnA
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AreOh
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Ricky84:
Shhh, grown people are talking John. I'll deal with you in a moment.
- 2 years ago
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AreOh
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Ricky84
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Ricky84:
AreOh you’re a master of the snarky comment and for that you’re cool in my book but I can’t give you a pass on that naïve statement. I’m a 6’4 mulatto living in the south that’s just light enough to pass for Latino (or illegal immigrant) when I’m in the Orlando area. I know racial profiling. I was once accused by a police officer of trying to evade detection by swerving into MY OWN DRIVEWAY at break-neck single digit speeds.
Yeah that’s right I was actually detained and questioned by a cop because I had the nerve to look back at the cop parked in front of my house and ask, “What are you looking at” as I unlocked the front door to my house. So yeah I can sympathize with ACTUAL victims of racial profiling.
That being said this does not really come off as an incident of racial profiling. Now to clarify I’m not saying it COULDN’T be I’m just saying based on the available information I don’t think it’s of any interest to dwell heavily on that assumption. It’s not like the cops sat back and watched Gates break into his house and then grew the stones to question a stranger breaking into a house they were positively sure no black man could afford. Worst still the ACLU study doesn’t even document higher levels of arrests of minorities for disorderly conduct.
Now in my opinion bigotry is not only (or really) a belief or a personal justification based on bad or incorrect statistical data. For me bigotry in its most infuriating form is the act of typecasting an individual or event based on ANY statistical correlation or narrow-minded experience a person or group might have.
For instance by itself there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that statistically there are more male scientists than female scientists but it’s complete bullshit to then take that statistic and claim
1 Men are smarter than females
And to better recreate the particulars of the issue itself
2 I’m smarter than you.
Are we really going to benefit from using statistical data no matter how weakly connected to an issue(like comparing statistical averages for racial profiling in a disorderly conduct arrest case) to determine the actual motivations of an individual?
In the end you know who I think really lost out in this issue? I’d say the ACLU because they also conducted a study on the ill-effects of disorderly conduct arrests and if anything this is a perfect example of the point they were trying to make. Too bad we’re not going to hear the media bring this one up cause they’re cashing in on the poster boy for racial tension in America, AKA president Obama. - 2 years ago
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Ricky84
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AreOh
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Ricky84:
Hm, I hear what you're saying Rick. I think your analogies are terrible, but I think I can glean relevant point from what your saying, though it is a little scattered. However, I still say your opinion is naive, which is surprising considering your experience with law enforcement. The thing I believe your arguments lacks is context. I have no problems entertaining that this is possibly not a case of profiling, but based on the information that is available, and the context of law enforcement treatment of minorities, ha, especially in Boston, which is known for it's biased treatment of minorities, I think you have to seriously consider that it is. All episodes are profiling are not as obvious as the ones you experienced. A lot of it has to do with the attitude the officer takes, as many law enforcement officials will attest to. What bothers me, is that we are so ready to down play this incident and blame Gates, while simply ignoring the behavior of the officer. Who, refused to give his name and badge number, which is a civil right of and citizen I might add, as well as asking professor Gates to come out of his home without a proper explanation as to why, which would lead to anyone being apprehensive when being treated in such a matter by the police. Now, combine this with readily available information of Boston's not so great history with minority policing, well, I think at the very least you raise the possibility of being a case of profiling, based on what? The context and information of the situation. For the most part, though, I think your opinions have more merit than many others that I have seen. I think there is a bit of a disconnect between what you think and the reality of the situation, but you're on the path, I can respect that.
- 2 years ago
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AreOh
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Ricky84
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Ricky84:
Oh my god now you’re just being corny. I’m not walking a path toward anything. All I’m saying is that it’s pretty stupid to try and fight bigotry by being a bigot. Who cares if there are racist cops in Boston, or profiling and the ACLU. None of that information reinforces your argument, or more importantly transforms it into anything else than a bigoted argument aimed at an individual.
- 2 years ago
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Ricky84
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idealist
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Bush never regretted any of the many stupid things he said!
presidential power i suppose..... - 2 years ago
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idealist
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nanac
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Obama got it right the first time. The professor shouldn't have been arrested, and the police handled the situation in a unprofessional manner..The entire Justice System in this country,should be restructured because of it's biases toward minorities.........Blacks are taxpayers, therefore they have a right to complain when they are mistreated by the police....If the professor committed a crime, why was the charges dropped against him?......Whites are in denial about the abundance of racism in this country.....Obama is a class act, and I feel as if he did the right thing by clarifying his prior statement.
- 2 years ago
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nanac
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JohnA
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nanac:
They have a right to complain, not a right to think they deserve special privaledges because of the color of their skin.
- 2 years ago
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JohnA
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eldamon
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The only actual regret is people are TOO stupid to get it. Pres. Obama was correct in his assessment the arresting officer clearly acted stupidly and the President was absolutely right to point it out. It's been so long since people actually heard truth from power they don't recognize it and can't readily accept it.
- 2 years ago
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eldamon
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airinmagoc
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eldamon:
that's a very very good point. it feel so weird to have a president thats doing his job, and doing it productively. im so used to turing the channel when i hear the president speak but now i hang on his every word. the president used to just be a joke, remember that?
- 2 years ago
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airinmagoc
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nursediesel
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eldamon:
Has No One READ the REAL EVENT HERE? A woman saw two black men trying to force entry into Gates' house. Gates was away on vacation.
She called the police and reported it.
When the cops got there Gates was in the House. When the officers approached him regarding the report Gates refused to show ANY ID and began shouting obscenities at the police about him being black in America and he accused the cops of racism. They were only there for answering a report of a break in. So they were protecting GATES house.
They had to go outside to talk on their walkie talkies because Gates was screaming obsenities SO LOUD they couldn't here there station officer.
When he finally gave them ID Gates was so worked up they took him in.Gates over reacted. Gates is racist not the officers. Get the facts before you comment. - 2 years ago
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nursediesel
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eldamon
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eldamon:
Racism notwithstanding, the Police didn't handle the situation with the care they should of. They were called to investigate a potential break in by two black men. They found a single elderly gentleman having issues getting into his own home. Did they have trouble believing he lived there for some odd reason? In any case they had to give him the benefit of the doubt and understand no matter how necessary asking for ID was going to be upsetting at that point. There are WalMart managers and kids working drive thru at McDonalds that can handle grief better than these cops did. All it took was some understanding and looking at it from the professor's point of view. They trained officers couldn't figure that out for themselves.
- 2 years ago
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eldamon
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jonesin4anime
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Obama was simply telling the truth. It has taken a long time for someone with his kind of power to do it. I agree that he had STUPID timing (made his view known during a health care press conference) but I'm still glad that it was said. I do understand that he had to "retract" his statement. He wouldn't want to lose his job after only 7 months
- 2 years ago
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jonesin4anime
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jonesin4anime
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jonesin4anime:
well spanky...Obama is a smart BLACK man. He knows racial profiling when he sees it. The facts are clear. At 12:44pm a black Harvard professor with luggage attempts to get into his own home after accidentally locking himself out and a white neighbor calls the police after seeing two suspicious black men with backpacks in the area. The police arrive and interrogate Gates IN HIS OWN HOME. That's right...he was in his home when the police arrived. While in his own home, they asked for ID which he provided.The police refuse to believe that such a person could live in such an affluent neighborhood. Basically after being called a racist, the white cop proceeds to arrest an elderly man with a cane and charges him with DISORDERLY CONDUCT. The reason: he was being loud IN HIS OWN HOME. Had the white cop been able to look past the color of his skin the whole situation could have been avoided. What more facts do you need to tell you that he was arrested for being black while at home. The professor's power certainly surpasses that of a white cop and I guarantee you that the white cop was offended at being outed as a racist hence the handcuffs. That's the facts. If you don't believe me, here's my homework:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html - 2 years ago
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jonesin4anime
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jonesin4anime
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jonesin4anime:
and you think the police acted accordingly? Your cop's balls got squashed when Gates asked him if he knew who he was. I never said Gates wasn't wrong or that he didn't overreact. He did. There was no longer any danger present in the area so I don't see why they stayed any longer. Crowley should have had the balls to walk away when he saw the situation escalating. Oh that's right...Gates squashed his balls
- 2 years ago
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jonesin4anime
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lordsbassman
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But it was stupid...
- 2 years ago
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lordsbassman
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stephenthomson
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lordsbassman:
exactly! 'arresting the man after he proved it was his own home' - yea, that sounds pretty stupid to me!
- 2 years ago
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stephenthomson
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calm_incense
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*feigns moral outrage*
[/doesn't really care]
I'm so tired of hearing about racial tensions between blacks and whites. Blacks and whites each make up only about 15% of the world population.
The only people who have higher per-capita ethnic drama are the Jews. -_-
- 2 years ago
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calm_incense
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jh64487
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calm_incense:
man, i don't know how to take that but that was funny.
- 2 years ago
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jh64487
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EmperorThan
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Is he calling 'his' comment stupid or is he saying that fact that he said 'stupidly'??? hahaha
I'm glad he did, that was STUPID of him to do.
- 2 years ago
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EmperorThan
