From 'birthers' to 'deathers': GOP tactics for opposing Obama
source: http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/29/gop-scare-tactic/
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Republicans are trying to rally opposition to President Obama’s health care plan by suggesting it will literally kill people. One GOP legislator said the reform plan is a way to advance assisted suicide. Can scare tactics like this prevent Congress from voting on the health care bill? MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow was joined by Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT to discuss these recent developments Tuesday night.
Earlier Tuesday, President Obama fielded a question at a town hall hosted by the American Association of Retired Persons.
“I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that’s Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die,” a woman named Mary hailing from North Carolina asked the president. “This bothers me greatly, and I’d like for you to promise me that this is not in this bill.”
Maddow remarked, “The president of the United States today answering whether or not he wants health care reform because it’s secretly a plan to kill old people. This is one of those moments where you go, ‘Huh, any questions?”’ Most of all, it‘s just a big misunderstanding, right? It‘s like a ‘Three‘s Company’ plot line.”
“It‘s a whole new crazy conspiracy theory, unfolding where the craziest of them seem to be unfolding these days—among Republican members of Congress speaking on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives,” Maddow said.
Maddow played some clips of lawmakers and pundits advancing the “deather” argument.
REP. VIRGINIA FOXX (R-NC): Republicans have a better solution that won‘t put the government in charge of people‘s health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that insures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.
REP. PAUL BROUN (R-G): A lot of people are going to die. This program of government option that‘s being touted as being this panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price, is going to kill people.
RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: People at a certain age with certain diseases will be deemed not worth the investment, and they will just—as Obama said—they‘ll give them some pain pills and let them loop out until they die and they don‘t even know what‘s happened.
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thefatbear
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Hi, I am a stupid American who believes what I see on TV. I do not read about current events. I get my information from talking heads. I have not read this health care bill. I am blind to the way this country operates. I am susceptible to propaganda. There is only one right answer to the health care debate -- support the bill, or deny it. No other options exist. Again, I have not read the bill, but I believe whatever the authorities tell me. I don't understand what the Constitution is. I don't really understand reality for what it is either, and choose to understand it from the viewpoint that I have been indoctrinated to accept. Conformity and submission are the cornerstones to an effective and evolved society. Groupthink must be replaced with individual sovereignty. We have no rights, except for what the government grants us (goes back to my misunderstanding of the Constitution). The government is good and can do no wrong. The government is good and can do no wrong. I can go back to sleep now.
If I am a conservative or Republican I am susceptible to the lies surrounding this bill. I will be lied to in order to make me think the bill is a bad idea. I must attack and oppose anyone who thinks this bill is a good idea while the powers-that-be do as they like to get the bill signed into law.
If I am a liberal or Democrat, I am susceptible to the lies surrounding this bill. I will be lied to in order to make me think the bill is a good idea. I must attack and oppose anyone who thinks this bill is a bad idea while the powers-that-be do as they like to get the bill signed into law.
Pick your side and fight to the death of reason! Enjoy! After all, it's America's favorite pastime (quickly replacing baseball).
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thefatbear
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Mikeysfake1
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There's no deceit behind why the GOP isn't backing Obama on this one. It's a poorly thought out plan that anyone can see will have problems in the upcoming future. Who can listen to Rachel Maddow?
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Mikeysfake1
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Argon18
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Mikeysfake1:
If that was the case then they would use arguments based on the merits instead of being so hypocritical about the flaws in the present system also.
It is obvious that any plan being to proposed to fix the HUGE flaws in the health care system would be opposed by them so they just use distractions and scare tactics no matter what instead of bringing up the actual shortcomings and offering solutions to them.
Although there is still a chance to get a good plan, so far none have been proposed by congress so they are on their way to defeating any meaningful reform.
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Argon18
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cztheday
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tagc,
Aha! You cheated! You actually READ the bill! You are supposed to wait until Rush explains what the bill REALLY says.
If you are going to tear off onto the broad, sunlit plains of public policy discourse...without waiting for Mr. Limbaugh to attach the lead to your collar...I am afraid I must warn you that your opportunities for advancement to the highest kennels...er, LEVELS of the Republican Party are going to be quite severly limited, my friend.
No, if you are going to go around and just READ whenever the mood strikes you, I am afraid you are going to be stuck with those poor saps in the OTHER party (the-party-that-must-not-be-named)...or forever wander the Earth as either a member of one of those hopeless "third parties" or worst-of-all the universally shunned "Independents."
God, I hate that last group. They're all "Ohh, look at me, I'm Intellectually consistent. I have integrity. I don't have to hold my nose and vote for an entire slate of candidates when I know that two of them are little better than common criminals." Losers.
Crap...Ranting...Again.
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cztheday
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tagc
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My dad (Republican, South Carolina) actually sent me a copy of the email that was circulating about this on Monday citing "page 426". I wrote back and 'splained to him (after reading the bill) that end-of-life care is simultaneously one of the single greatest areas of uncontrolled medical expense, and one of the least rational decisions that grieving loved ones can make.
Hospice care is much more humane, and several orders of magnitude less expensive than institutional/hospitalized end-of-life care, but guess what... the medical establishment and the insurance companies don't make any money on it. So they want to maintain the status quo - they don't want "mandatory consultation" regarding end of life issues. That's all that is in the draft language from July 14 - mandatory consultation every five years to ensure that participants have a medical declaration and have made their own decisions about end-of-life issues while they still can.
This is a prime example of just how corrupt the U.S. Federal lobbying-based political process has become.
I agree with the assertions made at the end of the vid... Write to your representative/congress-person, NOW and tell them to get off the "dole" and get on the ball, and fix this system now by supporting the legislation.
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tagc
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bluestranger
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What do we expect from the party of family values? The ones that wanted to impeach Bill. Have any of them offered to resign after being busted? Doublespeakers or hypocrits, take your choice.
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bluestranger
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Vierotchka
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Keep on ranting, Carpe Diem!
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Vierotchka
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cztheday
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I am convinced that average Americans really cannot fathom how much money is at stake here and how many fabulously wealthy people will stop at NOTHING to keep the current gravy train chugging down the tracks. And, as usual, we see the great mass of unwashed enablers -- basically any conservative Republican making less than $100,000 per year.
It is bad enough that their choice of political parties is utterly irrational (all humans make mistakes, after all), but to watch them do their whole "rabid attack dog" thing is kind of like watching one of those episodes of "jackass" in which some guy tries to light a fart on fire and ends up a victim of self-immolation. You just sit there and read their posts with a kind of awestruck horror that someone could be quite that suicidally imbecilic...and yet lived to be old enough to type whole words on the Internet.
One would think that natural selection would have culled them all from the herd by now. But no...they have all become regulars on Current, dividing their time between castigating the Federal Reserve and foretelling the rise of the Illuminati.
Sorry...I am ranting again...
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cztheday
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cztheday:
cztheday, ranting is wholly welcome!
What's more sad is that these people think they'll become rich one day. They think they can make "the American Dream." They think that the odds are against them, but somehow they'll catch their lucky break... they don't realize that the rich work together to keep them from being rich.
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cztheday:
Ranting is a priviledge...
Its your right, do as you will!~
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metalcookiesxy70
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Argon18
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"People at a certain age with certain diseases will be deemed not worth the investment"
How is that any different than what the insurance companies do to deny claims?
Hypocrisy at its finest as usual, since they won't even admit to the same flaws in the present system with the focus on the bottom line.
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Argon18
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kennymotown
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clownpuncher are you for real, because that has been proven for a while now that the health care insurers and right wingers are funding these kind of bloggers. Are you so naive and in bed with the creeps from the right you have forgot these tactics.
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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div, you are correct they shoot themselves in the foot every time showing their racism every time. What the hell are these kind of people with no love for all man kind doing breathing air in my country. We are so beyond this crap.
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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Have you noticed some of the new commenters at our site lately. It is so obvious to me that many of them are paid deniers working for the health insurance company's. This is a life and death situation, 20,000 Americans die every year because they did not have access to health care.
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kennymotown
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kennymotown:
Oh, but kenny, dontcha know they iz baaaaaad illeegal ayleeyens or them damned poor things who deserve to die, apparently because they're not human or something..
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kennymotown:
Kenny, do you seriously think some company would waste the money to entertain the 4 to 500 liberals on this site? Come on now, you are smarter than that.
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clownpuncher
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kennymotown:
Clownpuncher:
Why not? It's not like the unwashed, uneducated masses of the right wing have anything else better to do...
Get a job and stop complaining, you lazy, dirty conservative.
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lifestudentno83
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ras_menelik
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HATE IS AS HATE DOSE.
In the opening and closing credits of the documentary a rap song with lyrics by Sheikh Terra and the Soul Salah Crew (who did Dirty Kuffar) featured and has been called 'By Any Means Necessary', showcasing Malcolm X.
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ras_menelik
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lifestudentno83
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It's shameful that these people knowingly lie to citizens and rile them up into a fear frenzy. Especially the way they prey on the elderly and making such outlandish and morbid lies up about them having to decide when to die...
It's downright sickening.
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lifestudentno83
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metalcookiesxy70
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Such a distraction, I pity the people who still believe that...
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metalcookiesxy70
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wirehedd
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Any excuse or made up shit the right can come up with. What next? If you get single payer you'll be in a lottery to be executed like in Logan's Run?
These reichwingers need to grow a brain and some integrity.
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wirehedd
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current89
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Wow, just wow. I know the right has come out with some crazy bs, but this tops it (I'm assuming that a right wing nutter told her that).
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current89
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WakeUpPeople
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current89:
It's pretty obvious which channel she watches.
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WakeUpPeople
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WakeUpPeople
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Always distracting...
I can see why so many people fall easily into the GOP trap. After all of the years of getting screwed by our govt, it's hard to believe them when they offer you something that would actually benefit you. We've become so jaded and distrustful of our govt that we actually want to believe that they are out to kill us. Despite the fact that all of the rest of the industrialized nations in the world have socialized medicine and rank higher than the USA in quality, some of us are convinced that it is impossible to do it successfully.
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WakeUpPeople