Death by bad health care
source: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2009/08/amenable-mortality-us-health-care-system-ver...
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Enter the concept of "amenable mortality." Invented years ago in the United States and used worldwide by researchers ever since, it’s basically a body count of people who die for want of "timely and effective health care." A higher rate is bad, because it means the country’s health care system is falling down on its one and only job, which is to keep people healthy and do the best job possible of treating them if they get sick.
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lordsbassman
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I need a glass of wine...
- 2 years ago
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lordsbassman
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naveobeso
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mexico is not in that graphic!, well we are not so much fucked up as U.S. but yeah you guys are fucked up, burgers are not a tradition so much, I mean you passed it on but, we dont have so many fast food restaurants, only yours.
take care U.S. :)
- 2 years ago
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naveobeso
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amazonprincess
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Why do we "must have" an industry that profits from our own health? The health insurance industry is there ONLY for profits. It stands in the way of the care we should receive from our physicians. It dictates whether we can live or die.
Health insurance industry is inherently EVIL!
We do NOT need the health care companies to control our lives! GET RID OF FOR-MAX-PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE industry!!!
- 2 years ago
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amazonprincess
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titvol
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amazonprincess:
It's so they can pool money. How else can someone who pays a few hundred dollars a month in premiums get a $25,000.00 quadruple heart by-pass operation when they need it?
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titvol
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amazonprincess
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The health industry and the health insurance companies are truly the murderers and the terrorists this nation must fight with every possible means.
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amazonprincess
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Denica_Cassandra
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AH! Last night a woman was screaming outside of my sister's apt. on the sidewalk, an apparent victim of domestic violence. Her arm looked like it was out of socket, so I asked her if she needed an ambulance. She said no, because She Couldn't Pay for it! An officer came to take a statement and the woman refused medical attention again. So here is a victim of a crime who, on top of her ordeal, had to weigh out the costs of getting help for herself.
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Denica_Cassandra
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titvol
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Denica_test:
Oh bullshit. Emergency rooms don't turn away can't pay patients.
- 2 years ago
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titvol
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Denica_Cassandra
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Denica_test:
I didn't say anything about emergency rooms, so you r "bullshit." ;) Hate to brake it to you, but people do get bills for the emergency care that are big enough to make you cry. That shouldn't be the main concern of a sick person - we should all have a chance at pursuing happiness.
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Denica_Cassandra
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titvol
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Denica_test:
>>...so I asked her if she needed an ambulance.>we should all have a chance at pursuing happiness.
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titvol
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jubal
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Denica_test:
"People are as happy as they make up their minds to be." Abraham Lincoln
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jubal
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money214
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Denica_test:
hi5 jubal
i dont even know where to start on this one. from my point of view its not society's problem that she choose to be with such a man and even though he might be her only source of income she still carries some of that responsibility by deciding not to leave him despite the abusive relationship.
as Darwin would say: Survival of the Fittest
good man, good man.
and before you reply. no i do not have a heart or any feelings
- 2 years ago
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money214
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Denica_Cassandra
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Denica_test:
K, first of all don't call me a liar because I'm not and you have no idea what you're talking about. I was talking about the cost of healthcare.
I said the WOMAN refused treatment (because of the cost.) I said nothing about the hospitals trying to kill people like you guys are having a fake debate about. The BILLS you get from the hospital are what keep people away, not a bouncer, lol. Deet-Duh-Dee
clayjj05/ titv, you're really ignorant if you think that people just go to the hospital and get free healthcare. Sorry, that just doesn't happen unless you're homeless.
- 2 years ago
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Denica_Cassandra
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couldntfindausername
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"What is funny is that people from all over the world are known to come to America to have surgery"
The ignorance of this mantra never ceases to amaze me.
People from all over the world travel to individual specialists all over the world for treatments - the notion that the US has some sort of monopoly on that is beyond ludicrous.
- 2 years ago
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couldntfindausername
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arcticspirit
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What is funny is that people from all over the world are known to come to America to have surgery or state of the art health care that is unavailable in their "universal" world... Anyone with lots of CASH that is.
As a disabled person, I will again say, that I want nothing to do with universal healthcare.
When I was legally bound to change from regular health insurance to medicare with a rider (PPO, drug coverage, etc), I found that ALL of the doctors that I was seeing and making progress with did not take medicare based programs. PERIOD.
Yesterday I was at one of my doctor's and we were discussing how my quality of life has gotten so much worse in the last few years, and progressively at that, I asked if he knew of a good doctor that I could see.
With much sympathy, he said, "You have medicare and most of my colleagues won't see a patient with your insurance. I don't know of anyone to recommend." -- This was Wednesday
And I have PPO type of care. Now the Universal Health care will remove the PPO care that I have and downgrade it to only Medicare. Yeah assisted suicide might be what the disabled, handicapped and elderly opt for because medical care will be so poor and quality of life won't be worth living.
I cannot begin to describe the quality of life change that I have had from going off regular private insurance to going onto Medicare. I don't get the same doctors, the same treatments, the same medicine. And some days I wonder if life is even worth getting up for.
- 2 years ago
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arcticspirit
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HardPower
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Great post, solid source, permanently newsworthy. The US medical industry has failed to align the incentives of the patients, nurses, doctors, administrators, insurers, and insurance buyers. Poor management practices and questionable ethics at all levels kill more Americans each year than most genocides.
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HardPower
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hunzedog
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thats kinda old aint it?
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hunzedog
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money214
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Social Security will not payout well if everyone lived to be 100. someones gotta go
:)
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money214
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asherp
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money214:
As an uninsured American, I am one of those most likely to die of amenable death.
So if I may, in the most polite fashion, tell you to dig a hole, lie in it, and die. ;-)
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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jubal
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money214:
Yea right money214, by all means, lets start population control measures and ramp them up to the max. Kill a few billion to ease the worlds troubles.
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jubal
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money214
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money214:
jubal i'd love to agree with you. I've been a long time population control advocate until recently when i had the current site blow my beliefs to shit with a flash cartoon that explained how the world will not overpopulate and that anyone who says so doesnt know what they are talking about.
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money214
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GrinningSatyr
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money214:
Money, the Green Revolution put off overpopulation, as are recent advances in agriculture.
Malthus had no idea about fertilizers, mechanizatoin, or any of the other contributing factors that allow us to produce larger and larger quantities of food.
However, we ARE overpopulated right now, compared to our food output. The world isn't ending, no, but hundreds of millions of people are starving, and billions are undernourished because they cannot afford to buy food. (Mainly because Americans and the rest of developed world can out-buy basically anyone else on the planet for basic necessities like food and water.)
I don't know how to fix it, and I certainly haven't done the math myself, but the people who are starving clearly point out we need to a)increase food production, or b) decrease (or reverse) population growth rates.
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GrinningSatyr
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jubal
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money214:
Your the one that suggested that people shouldn't be allowed to live over 100 to keep on collecting Social Security.
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jubal
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Incredulous
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money214:
well, a big part of the reason people are starving is because we have those in control of economies who only know how to create value by creating scarcity. Creating scarcity is what creates value in their system, and so hunger becomes a by-product of this version of profiteering. Check out Rushkoff elsewhere on Current
http://current.com/items/90580744_life-inc-why-everything-has-been-fucked-up-for... - 2 years ago
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Incredulous
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Progresshiv
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One reason some in the U.S. have so much reluctance to accept a government health care system is that people who are ill are still looked upon as being moral failures. In the 1600s and 1700s, illness was looked upon as being a result of an attack by Satan, and some churches encouraged this idea with doctrines that said only a few souls, elected by God, were worthy of salvation.
The idea of illness as a moral failure is encouraged in our time by the advertising of products which guarantee good health and attractiveness. Those who are sick have only themselves to blame, if one believes the public relations drivel produced to sell everything from hand cream to sexual stimulants.
This atavistic undercurrent props up a decrepit, inept, unfair, and unbelievably expensive system which provides very little health care and tons of misery.
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Progresshiv
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tbowman131
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Progresshiv:
great point. it's the same with wealth. for some reason, people in this country also equate financial success with blessings from god.
it's just another way to blame the victim.
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tbowman131
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Incredulous
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Progresshiv:
excellent point, and the inescapable irony is that so many of the products being advertised are actually causing the illnesses that validate the over-extending influence of BigPharma.
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Incredulous
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arcticspirit
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Progresshiv:
Excuse me, but are you high?
Or maybe stuck in another century?
The dark ages? - 2 years ago
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arcticspirit
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Progresshiv
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Progresshiv:
It's okay if you don't understand something to ask for an explanation.
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Progresshiv
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jubal
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Progresshiv:
boy arctic sprit are you in the dark.
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jubal
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ras_menelik
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Bunch of Commies States they can't even afford to die....
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ras_menelik
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Incredulous
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and let's not forget Profit by bad healthcare, brought to you by the influence of events like the Healthcare Dealmaking Summit. Seriously, follow the link and take a long hard look at the list of speakers and participants. Google these names and get a good look at why we aren't getting the reform we want. They all have their hand out to a Congress that is more than willing to grease palms.
Citigroup Global Markets
Goldman Sachs & Co
Morgan StanleyThese 3 are but the tip of the iceberg, if even that. There is money to be made, and the vultures are gathering, which is certainly influencing everything on and off the table.
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Incredulous
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GavinTheMother
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Ever heard of nosocomial infection? It's the preventable transmission of bacteria and virus' within a healthcare setting. This represents over 200,000 deaths a year in the US and could be prevented by the staff simply taking the time to sanitize their hands.
Do the insurance companies care about the deaths or the expense of caring for patients who eventually survive and leave the hospital. No... because the hospitals pay for 90% of the expense and what is a dead patient? A patient you don't have to spend any money on. It's sick.
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GavinTheMother
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artemis6
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Bet they will get richer too , if we let them .
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artemis6
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tbowman131
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just look at how the medical loss ratio of the major health insurance companies has decreased over the past decade. so not only are people dying from illnesses that could be prevented, but a small group of executives are getting rich by skimming more and more money from their clients premiums... its despicable
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tbowman131