Well said, indeed.

Any suggestions? What would you suggest to get more people to agree? What are we missing?

Connie, you and I know perfectly well J_Jammer has no suggestions and even if he did, he would not tell people. Instead he will insult them for having not thought of it themselves because he thinks they're idiot stoners.

He likes to be critical and contrary to everything and everyone without offering any advice on improvement, atonement, or innovation. A critic for a cynic's sake, with nothing but hot air to expel from his lungs.

I'd tell him to go play in traffic, yet he'd sooner stand on the sidewalk and complain about how the street was poorly paved instead of getting into the intersection.

I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt and ask for his suggestion. What course of action would he pursue?

That was very uplifting and positive statement you have there "student" of life.

You stop talking about it so much, for one. No one likes to be oversatruated. When a movie promotes itself too much how many people want to see it? If a show wins award after award after award how likely are you going to see it and enjoy it? If someone is praised over and over again and you are criticized over and over again...how much are you going to enjoy the person who is praised? Ever rooted for the underdog? This case MJ is not the underdog. It's the over achiever that is trying so hard those that never cared or don't like it still are on the same path living the minority to continue to beat a dead horse.

You stop talking about it. Singing about it. Writing movies about it. Directing people to websites about it. And you allow people to enjoy the silence on the matter.

Then you set your little weapons about the world. People who have been smoking for ages who are proficient at their job and are remarkable that no one can touch them. They smoke in moderation. These people are not known to smoke. These people are the secret weapon.

This is like when someone says "OMG I cannot stand (insert a group here...religious or way of thinking) they do this and that and they are so annoying." Then someone who they have worked with and gone out to drink with says, "I'm one of them." That person that said all those things instantly feels bad and then says, "But you are the exception." Even though they separated the person they are already doubting what they had previously said.

This constant bombardment of marijuana is awesome and perfect and without flaw (don't bother telling me ithas a flaw unless you state the flaw until people state the flaws along with the positives---stating it's perfect is apt) causes the majority to roll their eyes and ignore the comments that are made no matter if they are true.

Plus it's the annoying victim mentality. WOE IS US WHO SMOKE....we are so mistreated because of this false image and these terrible comments...woe is us feel sorry for us and make marijuana legal so that we can get tax money and it's less harmful than alcohol in excessive amount....woe oh woe oh woe.....*beating a dead dead dead horse*

to add another cliche the iron is no longer hot enough to strike..it's just room temperature. It won't give.

You have to set people up to trick them into seeing something they ignore with their blinders on. And I'm not just talking about opponents to marijuana.

Sorry J_Jammer but, been there, done that! Silence is not the answer. If you disagree with cannabis reclassification, I wish you would post on other subjects, for you have no real idea what peoples actual purpose is. I'm 54 years old and have felt like a criminal for over 30 years. I don't commit crimes, I like cannabis.

It wasn't until I read the book by Jack Herer, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" that I realized, I am criminal due to lies and distortion and failed policies of a failed President. Richard Nixon reclassified cannabis, not due to cannabis, he did it for politics.

The actions of Richard Nixon led us down a path to be a Prison Nation. We have more people in prison than any other country in the world. Don't you think that is sad? Many for mere cannabis possession. People may try and say it's not due to cannabis, but the facts are against them.

Aside from smoking cannabis, hemp has many, many industrial uses. It is environmentally friendly, 100% biodegradable, yada, yada, yada. I know your mind is made up and I respect that, but please don't feel compelled to judge me, due to your opinion. Your opinion is wrong! Facts are what is needed, not opinion. Many have opinions based on misrepresentation of facts. I don't know where your opinion comes from and frankly I don't care. Bring facts, or go home. But, the conversation is going and I don't want to see it stopped, until cannabis hemp is reclassified! It is long past time for change.

This victim mentality gets zero sympathy votes no matter who uses it.

I have no doubt that these types of articles (as well as atheist, religious and gay marriage ones do) preach to the choir and go about changing NOTHING.

Chang isn't going to happen because you demand it. And if facts were that important in this world, a lot of things wouldn't be the way they are. But facts are not important....

if facts were important two people wouldn't be imprisoned for being spies when they were just reporters. If facts were important OJ would be in jail for his crimes the first go around. If facts were important cases wouldn't be tossed out due to technicalities. If facts were important congress would actually get things done. This world...this social ran world is not lead by facts. IT's led by feelings.

Your post proves that much.

No one wins PR battles with facts.

Still, you have criticized but offer nothing to replace what you feel does not work.

Do you just have no idea other than to do nothing?

Because ignoring societal problems works so well... Look what it did for racism...

You're bias. You never say anything that's without insult.

So null and void....as I usually do when I read your replies.

I insulted you by saying you're not offering constructive criticism?

Where is the constructive part of your criticism? Where have you suggested an alternative option to what is being done now? You still have not offered an alternative to what you feel is not working. Perhaps you feel the best plan for ending pot prohibition is no plan.

Fortunately, there are others who disagree and until you come up with an alternative, what are you adding to the overall conversation besides your negativity?

You should know negativity like the back of your hand.

I offered an alternative. You don't like it...because you like SHOVING your "I'm right you're wrong" view down people's throats about this.

Well guess where that's getting this idea of legalization?

Nowhere.

With people like you in the lead...it'll never become legal.

How's that for being negative? I offered something and you do nothing but whine about how you don't like it. Well doing the same thing gets you what? The same result. So much for being logical...because that's so not what you're being right now.

You're not insulting. You're obnoxious with your inconsistent comments.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh J_Jammer
I think you know something about over saturation...
your opinions are hard to miss on Current.

I have yet to begin.

I'm open new suggestions, and I don't have to be right. Just because I don't think YOU are right does not mean I'm always right.

Again, where is the constructive part of your criticism? I didn't see an alternate suggestion of methods to use in place of the ones you feel do not work, just statements of why and how it does not work. Can you not tell the difference between constructive and deconstructive criticism?

Please, restate the alternate suggestions for me as it is unclear what they are. And please tell me how it is obnoxious to ask you to explain your position more thoroughly? From my perception, it seems like you aren't adding anything postive to the conversation. Prove me wrong instead of just telling me I am.

Do explain how you are not bias in this manner? How you are actually objective in what marijuana does and does not do?

You are as bias on this as someone who has never smoked and thinks it's terrible in totality.

And also explain to me how any of your post are positive and uplifting in this entire thread? I don't see you living by your own suggestion of being constructive instead of deconstructive. I do believe that most of your post deal with belittling people who do not agree with you.

Do forgive me for not taking you seriously or your post with any merit. It's kind of hard to take you for more than a buzzing fly that only appears when they think they found BS they can land on and inform others of.

It is not difficult to understand what I stated previously. Just because you dislike it does not mean that it is deconstructive. I am not the one who is continuing to do the same thing expecting a different result.

Are you not the one that dislikes religious people that preach about their views shoving such views down people's throats? How is the Pot positive propaganda any different? These CONSTANT articles that continue to shove information down people's throats to try and browbeat them into agreeing....are the exact same obnoxious thing as a religious person speaking and speaking and never listening.

First you explain to me what I had suggested before I even begin to think you were paying attention out of the want instead out of the critical need to be a buzzing BS fly.

So because I have smoked it before, my opinion is biased? And because the movement is spearheaded by people who smoke weed, the movement itself is biased?
Is that what you are trying to say, or are you determined to tell me I am wrong at every turn?

This is why many people on this site cannot take YOU seriously. I am attempting at being civil and accurately interpret your opinion, and you keep throwing insults in my face. I asked you to simply restate your opinion on how you would improve this movement, and you have yet to offer anything other than more criticism. Criticism on why I'm not an expert, on how I'm biased, on why my posting doesn't hold merit.

Any good critic knows that constructive criticism can build you up, help you improve, or offer alternative methods. DECONSTRUCTIVE criticism tears people down and offers no positive reinforcement. I am asking you for postivity, and I am recieving negativity. Why do you believe you are not being deconstructive?

I respect your right to disagree, however I am well within my right to ask you for a way to improve on what you think does not work. And if you dodge, duck, attempt to change the subject, or outright refuse to answer then I have the right to call you on it. Whether or not I agree or disagree is irrelevant.

To answer your question, I'm not asking everyone to start smoking weed because it's what I like. I'm asking it not to be illegal so it can be used by responsible adults. If you don't want to use it, that's fine. I totally support that view, because weed isn't for everyone, like smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol. However, I do not think it's right that no one is allowed to use it because SOME people think it's dangerous.

I do not think it's dangerous. I do believe it causes long term problems that aren't noticeable until later. That is based on frequency of use.

Less is more. That is me rephrasing myself. LESS IS MORE.

This constant bombardment of articles on this site (and people who promote its use offsite) is ridiculous. it doesn't matter if you have facts or not, constantly and irrationally stating how awesome it is look a this link for more information...or this link for this information or yadda yadda yadda....

Do you like when someone comes to your door with religious literature or sells thing or they call you on the phone relentlessly to speak to you about an "important matter"? Does the frequency of their 'informing you' that they have something important for you to hear or read make you want to listen to them more or less?

You put pot persons as the door knockers or the phone callers and you now understand how frustrating and annoying it is.

Very well, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Lets agree to disagree.

Growing pot that has a high market value takes, skill, patience and care. Yes you can sick a seed in the ground and grow a small amount, but to produce high grade marijuana that isn't crap takes more talent than you can imagine.

Just as much as a typical crop plant

cha-ching

It makes me wonder how fast she was going when she hit you? If you could sit there and wonder what the fuck just happened and then get up and call the police to send her ass to jail..ya know. It's cool that you'll be able to ski still!
muwahaha do whatcha do!

FAIL! Show me links, proof that Cannabis has killed anyone. In 3000+ years of Cannabis/Human interactions not one, NOT ONE person has died. Cannabis also boasts non addictive properties. If your going to speak your slander, do it in another post where your listeners are uneducated morons. In here, we all know the truth, that's why we all still puff, puff, pass.

krush_productions, sing it out. Great answer!

He doesn't mean toxicity he means behavior.

You want examples of creepy behavior?

Canabis is the most common combat drug historicaly. The Zulu gave it to their warriors in a tea Which has been tested and shown to dramatically reduce inhibition. This makes melee combatants a lot more effective. This was also done by the Persian "immortals" or hashishi who ate hashish. These are tow of the most famous and brutal fighting forces of their era. British history is filled with the amazing and bizarre behavior of the Zulu warriors. They were known to actually line up to be shot by the British so the Zulu could range their guns.

There's a neat little documentary on this but i can't find it atm. they did the testing with evenly matched martial artists. The results were dramatic. The cannabis was carefully grown to maximize one of the main chemicals and minimize the other.

Bomb,
Funny how you can't find that information on the internet. BULLSHIT I just typed it in and NOTHING! Try it ( aggressive behaviors associated with marijuana, crazy pot chemicals, marijuana related deaths (solely marijuana), the dangers of THC.
Also, bombie you failed to read this:

"I have lived long enough to know that marijuana use can cause terrible harm and even kill."

When you wrote this:

"He doesn't mean toxicity he means behavior."

Right, your all right and I'm some crazed stoner channeling ancient Zulu aggression...Please.

Also Hashi doesn't mean immortal. It's comes from Hashassin, meaning assassin. Men would eat hash because it supposedly made them like shadows. Eating Cannabis will not get you high if not extracted properly with lipids/alcohol. They may have been trying to be better warriors but in reality they we're throwing good smoke able hash down the shitter.
Didn't the Zulu's also fight back an invader to their homeland (terrorist?) with nothing more than SPEARS and leather shields? The ZULU NEVER USED GUNS! GET EDUCATED Weren't the British troops armed with guns and cavalry? They may have smoked, but the Zulu's aggression comes from their homeland being invaded, their women and children being raped and killed, AND wait for it, my all time personal favorite, worshiping the wrong god/or not at all! You're leaving out key facts! Tshaka Zulu was just a tactical genius who happened to enjoy cannabis, maybe I still haven't found anything credible to show that the Zulu actually smoked pot.

YOUR arguments are all the same. At least us "potheads" are finding new and helpful things that can be done with Cannabis Hemp. And what's this about drugs, always with that word. Cannabis is a plant. You know, P-L-A-N-T green thing, grows in the earth, was here long before mankind and will be around long after for the next "intelligent" life form to enjoy. (if we don't fuck this ecosystem anymore than we're doing) We as citizens are paying for a drug war that has failed since Reagan's little pudgy fingers squiggled out his signature of approval. It's never going to work.

"The cannabis was carefully grown to maximize one of the main chemicals and minimize the other."

Yeah, the good one THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). I wouldn't even say carefully. 1. find dirt 2. put finger into dirt 1/4 of an inch 3. put seed in ground, cover and water. TADA! THC works better than any other pharmaceutical medication out there. Its illegal because even animals can grow it. (deer eats outdoor crop, deer poops, deer doubles outdoor crop on other side of mountain...) Your 100% more likely to die crossing the street than you are from THC.

Sheesh, wake up already.

While marijuana may be somewhat psychologically addictive (just like nearly anything, including gaming and checking email), Alcohol produces a clear physical withdrawal... which can KILL you. Not even withdrawal from cocaine or HEROIN will kill you, but Alcohol withdrawal can make you seizure to death because of its form of addiction.

I just feel as though when talking about "both substances' addictive qualities" a clear distinction has to be drawn because of this and other points.

Read up on history before you post your opinions like they are facts, Soberwood.

Don't forget the 'smiles'. Many people get busted because they are smiling. Isn't that sad, when a smile can get you into trouble? Or you giggle a little and they know you are happy? Happiness and smiles should not be a crime! That's just crazy.

As far as I know cannibas has never killed anyone I was curious to know of any incidents in which it has????

Well, if more people acknowledge that one is actually safer than the other and usage shifts so that more people are being safe, isn't that good? You seem to think that something positive couldn't come from this.

Not all drugs are terrible. Not all drugs ruin people. Weed and coffee are two of those drugs.

5 cups of coffee will get you high, but you never see anyone's life ruined because they enjoyed a few extra cups.

Not all use is abuse. Cannabis is one of the top cash crops. Apparently many, many people are smoking it. You have no way of knowing who is actually smoking it. You make assumptions which are wrong.

People who make wrong assumptions won't change if cannabis is made legal, they don't have enough knowledge to know they are wrong. Uninformed will still be uninformed!

This guy uses a pot leaf as his avatar. I doubt occasional light use is what we are seeing here.

But alcohol IS worse than marijuana. And our current laws deter people from making that safer choice. I don't care if people look down on me for being a stoner, but if they do, I'd rather have it be for legitimate reasons and not the yellow journalistic smear from the early 20th century. People need to be educated and this book, while I haven't read it, is written by people who have spent years coordinating this effort and to see the three of them come together on this book, one can only hope for the knowledge to spread.

worse is a touchy thing. It depends on how you define things. There are some things that are not as dangerous about alcohol too. It's out of your system in an hour for one thing vs. 12 hours for thc. Also the logic that increased marijuana use will reduce alcohol use is totally assumptive. And wishful thinking too imho.

I remain of the opinion that this is a disingenuous article. IMHO They are not interested in reducing alcohol use. This is about making excuses.

Good point. But do we really need to look at how alcohol is linked to hundreds of driving fatalities a year? Or how it's related to domestic violence and sexual assaults? Or how you can literally drink yourself to death? I mean you could try and make a claim that all these terrible atrocities can be linked to marijuana too, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who takes you seriously.

And you're right, it is hard to prove legalizing marijuana would reduce alcohol consumption. But who says they're trying to reduce it? If you like getting drunk every Friday night, so be it. If you enjoy a glass of wine before bed, that's fine. But I think the real argument they're trying to get at is that innocent bystanders who DON'T want to use alcohol to relax or have fun, are not legally allowed to use marijuana, which has far fewer negative aspects than marijuana.

You can't deny the social stigma attached to pot. And maybe some stoners ARE sick of being looked down upon. Is that so wrong? It's the hypocrisy from the early 20th century that they're arguing against. It's hypocritical to continue saying marijuana is so dangerous it needs to remain a Schedule I drug.

do you ever notice how those commercials never have any statistics??? thats because there are none.

Exactly. Never trust anything sponsored by the Government when it comes to pro or anti drug propaganda.

Seriously, a seven year old kid being scarred because he spies on his sister supposedly smoking a joint? F-A-I-L!

They're good for a laugh, if you need to see how blind people are though

so do heroin and methamphetamine. In fact just about all the fatally addictive drugs do.

True. Just like cocaine..but we use it ALL the time in the hospital. My point is that being addictive didnt stop cocaine from being used medicinally so why should it stop other drugs?

I don't think marijuana effects reaction time, unless you smoke way too much of it. Just like anything else, moderation is the key. When I smoke, (but I don't inhale) I find myself being more careful than I normally am, but that's just me. I would have to see medical evidence and studies before I believed marijuana, in moderate amounts, slows a person's reaction time.
Does coffee give you better reaction time? I doubt it. Does coffee make you jittery if you drink too much.. Certainly, but in moderation caffeine probably has in insignificant effect.

hahahaha! tru dat!

lol thts too funny, n true...

funny

I missed two of my exits yesterday. it was some powerful stuff lol

and run through red lights...i LOVE weed, but lets be honest. its not safe to be stoned and drive just as it isnt safe to be drunk and drive.

i hate when that happens. especially in the dark rain..scares the shit outta me

i once was driving from Houston to Dallas, and after pumping gas, jumped in the highway only to realize 45 minutes later i had been driving 55 miles the wrong direction... my reaction???? I laughed my ass off