Mr. Obama, Tear Down This Wall

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I think that the government is missing a big chance to help with national debt, u don’t have enough people to fairly tax to stabilize or even reduce national debt, and you have people waiting to become citizens who are willing to do jobs other Americans don’t want to do. So you should increase the citizenship raise with the people and then tax them like everyone else with full taxes you gain more people who are a great manual labor force allowing more buildings and other things that take time to build. Since a house has been built in less than a day with a work force of 100 builders and 100 furnishers you could make more houses. which then you have more taxes so more people equals more money. this way you are getting your money from the people going to be in America whether or not they are legal. This would also help lessen the impact when Mexico collapse which is going to be soon.

First of all I have worked in construction and on ranches in the sweltering hot summers in Texas with both legal and illegal immigrants. I don't have a problem with immigration or hard core physical labor. I just have a problem with illegal immigration. It neither benefits society or the immigrants to enter the country illegally as opposed to legally. I don't have a problem with someone who is willing to work a hard 12 hour day becoming a US citizen. If people with this work ethic scare you, maybe they should. But the cost of illegal immigration is real. You can't stop illegal immigration any more than you can stop drugs all you can do is legalize it and control it. If you want to lesson illegal immigration increase the speed and efficiency of legal immigration by allowing citizenship and and granting more work visas. They get to work and pay taxes and everybody, or at least most, benefit.

Americans feel better when we have slaves. Any kind of Slave Class will fill our need but the darker their skin the better we like it so the better we feel. Having White folks on their knees out in a strawberry patch does not satisfy our gut need to have slaves. However, having a Black mechanic, a Black roofer, Black garbage collectors but especially a Black maid or housekeeper boy, that's the best! Hispanics don't come up anywhere near the standard set by Blacks.

Obviously at some point in the future our American diet is going to reduce us all to being fat lumps unable to do physical work so when that time gets here no doubt we will have robots as slaves. Robots will have to be some color so I imagine for the mental satisfaction and stability of Americans they should be painted BLACK.

There simply isn't any other choice. I suggest using some luminescent reflective metal chip paint so we can see them at night... and not get them mixed up with real Blacks. They might get upset. Except in Arkansas.

These are all good thoughts but I must object to American bashing that we are too lazy to do yard work. Our American breeding and diet has caused us to grow larger than many immigrants. Shorter people can squat around in the field for hours on end without blowing out their knee joints.

These immigrant's children eating our diet are growing to very large sizes just like we have so this is a temporary argument. We're just staving off the inevitable when they become big horses like many whites and blacks and the rest of us they'll be going to college and turning down yard work too.

Who will get to be the Business Owner's slaves then?

I'm hearing a lot about the alleged social costs of illegal immigration, but i wonder that the theory more often doesn't rather conveniently neglect the changes affected without them either. as I heard it so well put of Eleganza:

"How many of you guys are grooming your daughters to work at a Motel six changing filthy sheets with the previous nights mess on them, and then cleaning the toilets...or how many are hoping that your sons can one day go to Salinas and work hunched over all day picking strawberries for 6 bucks an hour?"

there are costs, but it seems "responsible" business owners are happy to suffer them on us whatever they are. nonetheless what remains most cognizant to me is, indeed, these are some of the most marginalized people in society today, and not by sheer coincidence.

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=) oh my bad I tried to turn a previous off topic post into a more topical post and failed to edit it properly. I was referring to the fact that illegal immigration has an aggregate deleterious effect upon the economy. Basically that the decreased cost of substituted labor does not out way the social costs of illegal immigration.

The fact that economically speaking illegal aliens have a net negative effect on the economy isn't even debated anymore. This is not a condemnation of them or meant to slander them. You are trying to turn a financial fact into some sort of social argument. I neither stated nor implied the ethical ramifications of these facts only that they are facts. Personal beliefs have absolutely no baring on the numbers.

Illegal aliens works for less money and don't pay taxes, or at least not all taxes, but receive the use of social services far in excess of what they would pay in taxes EVEN if they payed taxes unless they where at least of middle class status of above. Again even if they did pay all of their taxes, which is impossible without a social security number, unless they are at least of middle class social economic status of above they would receive social benefits far in excess of their contributions. This is reality. It's cold, hard, and ugly but, it is the truth.

I'm not trying to imply anything through some subtle use of subtext so please try to stop inferring.

Illegal aliens that pay all the taxes, have children, and are in trouble of losing their housing and jobs because of more stringent oversight by the government are in a terrible position. I feel sorry for them, I can empathize, with being hungry, cold, and homeless without hope but I can also see that they made mistakes. I know people how have waited their entire life's to become US citizens. Some literally died and had family members die of old age waiting for citizenship. I can empathize with their anger with illegal aliens, they feel that they have been cheated for being honest. While they spent thousands of dollars and waited decades to become citizens others with less scruples simply entered illegally.

The reality is that people will immigrate into this nation either legally or illegally. You can't stop immigration nor should you. If you try to limit it too stringently you simply increase illegal immigration.

I would embrace immigration with enthusiasm not seen since turn of the last century. I would increase the number of immigrants drastically. Protectionist dogma has made people overly fearful of immigration. I would streamline the immigration process. Technological innovation would be a good start along with the removal of much of the bloated bureaucracy. I would do everything in my power to get the process to one year or less. I would remove racist nationalistic quotas. We must remove much of the incentives to enter this nation illegally. For those left over I would make it much easier to obtain work visas. If businesses want a certain number of workers they would simply put a request in and quickly and efficiently get workers. This would also stop any exploitation of the workers themselves. Stop the fear open the borders wide and embrace our immigrant past.

I've always wondered why some tweeker from Oklahoma can arrive in California, sigh up he and his family for food stamps, general assistance, and start cooking meth in a trailer in the central valley and that's ok, but if Javier has a family who cannot wait 10 to 12 years for some bureaucrat to give him a piece of paper so he can earn a living hoeing weeds out of lettuce rows in triple digit heat in that same central valley in California...well that can NOT be tolerated!
Good luck getting the tweeker to do Javiers work if you deport him. Argue all you want, in your heart you know what I have written here is the truth!
Why do you think the farmers, hotels, and restaurants hire these hard working folks from Mexico? Why wouldn't they hire all these white, english speaking well educated 100% certified all American applicants for the same job? Could it be that they are NOT applying for those jobs? How many of you guys are grooming your daughters to work at a Motel six changing filthy sheets with the previous nights mess on them, and then cleaning the toilets...or how many are hoping that your sons can one day go to Salinas and work hunched over all day picking strawberries for 6 bucks an hour? Why not be honest about it and just admit it, you don't like them because they are Mexican. Do you think we don't already know that? Do you think that would surprise us?

We should increase legal immigration and worker permits to decrease the incentives for illegal immigration. It would be better for all involved to allow citizenship or at least the freedom to work in our country openly instead of illegal, criminal, immigration.

A sad statement indeed, these illegals doing jobs Americans are too proud to do, but Americans are not too proud to accept government welfare. What a society we've made here.

That means Americans as well, since they are "illegal" immigrants..

Not African Americans, but generally Americans..

Anything the government can do to stem the tide of illegal aliens in our country stealing our jobs and our tax dollars is money well spent. We don't have enough jobs for ourselves. Send them all home where they belong. And if I knew of any group caching food and water to enable illegal activity, I'd have them prosecuted on the spot.

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What an excellent ARTICLE Mr. Paine, Ms. Akers! Thank you! Hopefully more people will learn more specifically how highly-manipulative and rather insidiousness of our "federal" government is...

I apologize I initially quoted so much of the article. My attempt was merely to high-light some of the more interesting points you bring up, but SO much is important. Again, thank you quite very much.

"Knowing that the fence won’t stop immigration, that it merely allows politicians to look as though they’re fixing an issue they’ve ginned up into a crisis, must particularly gall the property owners losing homes and businesses."

"...Many victims have noticed that while DHS expects them to sacrifice their interests, it is skirting property belonging to wealthy, politically connected neighbors. Eloisa Tamez is a 72-year-old woman who still lives on some of the 12,000 acres her ancestors received in a Spanish land grant. She’s also been down this road before: the Feds stole more than half her holdings in the 1930’s to build levees, and they didn’t pay a dime for any of it. The Texas Observer reports that now they want more...

"Under former Secretary Michael Chertoff, the DHS refused to answer questions from folks like Ms. Tamez. But silence has long been one of the agency’s favorite tactics. It almost always withholds information on the grounds that telling the citizens who pay its bills what it’s doing with their money would jeopardize national security. It will neither confirm nor deny who’s on its notorious Terrorist Watch List, for instance, not even to the victims themselves. And so it goes with the wall. The DHS refuses to verify its plans or discuss its rationale for the wall’s route. That leaves many owners grappling with rumors and stomach-churning uncertainty. Others are fairly sure DHS will steal their holdings because it has already ordered them to sign waivers allowing surveyors to measure their property. Those who refuse find themselves facing condemnation of their land.

"Chertoff tried to cast cooperating with the agency’s theft as a patriotic duty...[d]espite abundant evidence to the contrary...Politicians have tried to control people’s movements and have rightfully failed at so immoral a task; nevertheless, they expect the rest of us to cooperate with their new, desperate, criminal measures. Why?

"...immigration gives the Feds an excuse to control everyone’s movements, non-citizen and citizen alike, so “human trafficking” allows it to monitor Americans when they hire domestic help or travel overseas...

The agency then presents its own ferocious attacks on immigrants, its armed patrols and cameras, its dogs, handcuffs, and holding pens, its hunts through the desert in air-conditioned ATV’s for exhausted, fleeing families, as “rescuing” them from “human traffickers.” Odd, isn’t it, that migrants pay these “traffickers” to chaperone them across the border but try to fend off their “rescuers” by throwing rocks. They seldom succeed. Rather, they play right into the government’s hands: it charges them with the “crime” of self-defense, a.k.a, “assaulting a federal officer.” This inflates the number of “felons” crossing the border so that the Feds “save” us from an even bigger menace...

"The Founding Fathers understood government’s essence, its cruelty and callousness, far better than do modern Americans. That’s why their Constitution never empowers politicians to regulate anyone’s movement into or out of the country. (Except for slaves, fittingly enough...

Indeed, all of us should worry, if not panic, when we remember that walls keeping others out also keep us in." [LOL...how fitting...my initial sentiment rather exactly]

honestly, i wonder that their fence won't be more used efficiently to keep US in, than "aliens" out.