North Carolina Senate bans mountaintop wind turbines
source: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/08/north-carolina-bans-wind-turbines.php
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From Green Inc:
The 42-1 vote on Thursday represents the strongest stand against wind turbines taken by lawmakers in any state. The bill would amend a 1983 “ridge law” to allow only turbines that are 100 feet or smaller to be placed on ridgelines above 3,000 feet. This effectively bars industrial-sized turbines — which can reach several hundred feet in height — from the windy mountaintops.
Now, the bill still has to head to the state House of Reps, but it's not looking good for the future of mountaintop wind turbines in North Carolina. And though we're only talking about one state, this vote could have a large influence on renewable energy policy nationwide. It's the first time a state government has voted to ban wind turbines--doing so not because of ecological concerns, or because of questions of the technology's value, but because of the appearance of the structures themselves.
According to Green Inc:
The potential blanket ban on big turbines “is very much an issue about do people want to look at wind turbines in the mountains of North Carolina,” Mr. Urlaub said. “It’s not about the state’s commitment to renewable energy or lack of commitment.” He acknowledged, however, that the vote “has had the effect of raising concerns about North Carolina’s commitment to clean energy.”
So it looks like this debate--originally mostly an amusing hypothetical 'will renewable energy powerhouses like solar plants and wind turbines mar our landscapes?'--has just gotten dead serious. If the ban passes the NC House of Reps, it will effectively prevent the state from realizing 2/3 of its potential capacity for wind power. Is it worth sacrificing vast clean energy potential to keep mountaintops wind turbine-free?
or the record, this is not a snidely framed 'well-of-course-it-is' hypothetical question--peoples' ability to be inspired by the beauty of nature is important, too, and worth protecting. But at what cost, the issue remains. We've got to weigh the specific value the turbines present (how much wattage could the turbines create? how many North Carolina coal plants could they replace?) against the value of keeping the ridges turbine-free (how many people hike in those mountains? how visible are the turbines, generally, and how unpleasant do hikers find them?), and I'm afraid the senators have not really done this--according to a report from a local paper, it seems like the ban passed due on more emotional-driven, reactionary grounds. I hope the House looks at the issue thoroughly before passing the ban.
Otherwise, if the ban catches the attention of other skeptical states, we may very well see renewable energy become a Not-In-My-Backyard issue with damaging effects to the developing clean energy economy.
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thatbassist
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I would rather see wind turbines on a mountaintop instead of seeing a factory with smoke pouring out of it doing harm to the environment.
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thatbassist
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Wetdog
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North Carolina is the home Duke Energy.........Duke Energy operates more coal fired power plants than other company in the US. I guess it is clear who owns the North Carolina state government.
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Wetdog
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macfan
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Wetdog:
unfortunately the big corporations own
every government pritty much. - 2 years ago
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macfan
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Wetdog
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Wetdog:
Here's a lesson my dogs taught me. A good hunter is watchful and patient.
A fox is very good at hiding----but he has to come out into the open to steal chickens.
We are the hunters, and our votes are our guns.
The foxes have come out into the open to steal our chickens------it is time for us to use our guns.
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Wetdog
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Elligirl
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Apparently people have forgotten how ugly coal fired power plants can be. That's a heck of a blind spot, I think.
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Elligirl
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bluoysclt
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And these people think "Green"?
It's amazing, people want to promote greeness but nobody wants it in their backyard.
How strange. - 2 years ago
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bluoysclt
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highfidelity
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you know what else is ugly polution and death caused by too much carbon in the air but hell why would people in North Carolina give a shit huh
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highfidelity
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xiola
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sk8bs55 said, "Maybe the could just make them look more appealing in the same way as wind chimes and motion sculptures. no one seems to think the st. louis arch is an eye sore."
check this out! http://current.com/items/90713850_solar-sunflower-field-energizes-austin-texas.h... - 2 years ago
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xiola
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Wetdog
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Wind turbines may be ugly to look at in the estimation of some people---but they do not lead to strip mines, acid run off, acid rain, soot, smog and fly ash pond failures.
Nobody I've ever heard of died of looking at a wind turbine.
I guess this is a lot better to look than a wind turbine:
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/enlarge/strip-mine.html
That is what "maintaining the pristine wilderness beauty" does. And it keeps doing it, over and over and over----as long as you use coal. Eventually, there will be no pristine wilderness beauty left to maintain.
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Wetdog
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lhatese
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hey NC - keep on enjoyin that pristine mountain until the climate change turns it into a sand dune and you're clutchin onto your rifle when the lights black out wondering why your republican congress failed you. oops, too late.
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lhatese
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MoonLoon
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lhatese:
At that point it will be seafront property. A silver lining for every cloud.
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MoonLoon
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RRnnRR
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The link attached leads to a the National Renewable Energy Laboratory's wind resource map for North Carolina.
Download the .pdf wind map for North Carolina. The second page shows that the developable land and possible wind MW capacity for North Carolina is really quite low, only 1610 watt after previous exclusions of land (environmentally sensitive areas, unstable areas, etc- exclusions do not count this recent law). 1610MW is approximately the production capacity of a small coal plant.
If the production capacity for wind in the article refers to this nationally recognized methodology, the law will remove 2/3 of that capacity, so you now have capacity for 540 MW of wind power. (approximating)
When you compare the North Carolina map with that of Wyoming, for example, you'll see that North Carolina's wind resources are small. However, most of the productive wind is still available off the coast.In the big picture, NC has retained the beauty of nature at the expense of no one. Wind power companies should be focusing on building capacity off-shore, where production of energy will be efficient. Consider the limited resources (production of windmills) and where they're best placed (maximum wind/lowest cost).
I couldn't find any better sources of information. If someone has a better understanding of the economic, wind, and energy landscape in North Carolina, please add to the discussion. I'd love to learn more.
Cheers all-
RRnnRR - 2 years ago
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RRnnRR
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MoonLoon
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" My good friends", please Google, "Marcellus Shale", this will give you some insight into the gas supplies in the U.S. , particulary the Northeast. Maybe, N.C. does need the turbines, maybe we are being sold a "bill of goods". Just a thought to keep in mind.
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MoonLoon
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macfan
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WTF that dose not make any sense
I wonder if lobbyist from the coal
or oil companies I wish some one from North Carolina
would get to bottom of this. - 2 years ago
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macfan
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thewallisgirl
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I really think we should get over ourselves about our "likes" and "dislikes" concerning asceticism and start using our heads.
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thewallisgirl
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SpencerTreeGarden
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I don't see how they can just say no without coming up with another idea. Extremely unproductive.
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biggranny
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tisk tisk you are not a nice lady are you.
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biggranny
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MoonLoon
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Let us dig a little deeper? What company proposed the wind turbines? Who owns it? Are tax credits or subsidies involved? What state or industry will use the generated power? There is always a con man shilling these projects, we just have to dig them out of their burrow. I can promise you that they are not environmentalists!
P.T. Barnum was right! - 2 years ago
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MoonLoon
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MoonLoon
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I suggest hot wind turbines and bull feces to methane converters, being located in Washington D.C. a seemingly unending supply of both energy sources.
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MoonLoon
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MilchMann
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MoonLoon:
or using raw sewage in sterling engines before processing it... bio-digesters from biomass garbage like they do in San Fransisco... there are a million things that we should be doing that do not involve wind mills and would allow for NC to keep their mountains the way they are. I have to say though, I am one of the people that looks forward to driving through areas with wind turbines everywhere... there is something captivating about them.
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MilchMann
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MoonLoon
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MoonLoon:
I have watched them near Rawlings, WY. They have a certain hypnotic quality about them. However, Southern Wy, has little scenery to destroy, so a few wind turbines add some interest to the scenery.
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MoonLoon
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ProjectBat
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What's so wrong about banning these turbines? The people don't want these giant things destroying the natural beauty offered by North Carolina's mountains. I see no reason for all this uproar, there are still plenty of renewable energy resources that can be utilized there. All people on here seem to be able to do is criticize, but it's these people's land, they are the ones that should decide.
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ProjectBat
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CarlosIsDown
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Maybe just around the perimeter of the mountain ranges? Well, if the people don't want it. . . But if they get flooded, they won't have any mountain tops at all, because those mountaintops will be the new sea level.
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CarlosIsDown
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oly90808
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I can understand that wind towers are an eyesore, yes, BUT, it's better to have an eyesore than eyes burning from solar radiation storms. Matter of fact, why not just install 1 solar tower on the other side of a mountain or in another state, and forget the wind towers. You can put solar towers 100's of miles away from sore eyes and still have your power.
I bet they are for Clean Coal instead,,,, morons... here is a prime example of --> what we have here boys, is a failure to communicate.
Nice commentary, but really not necessary, as the bottom line here is,,, they said NO.
I wonder how many of those id10t's passed the GED.
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oly90808
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Khidrock
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I agree with wind energy, but I do not agree with ruining natural beauty to do so. The mountains and parks and views must to be protected.
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE
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i wish we could pack NC up and sell it back to England...
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE
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titvol
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE:
Really? Considering it was originally bought with blood, what do you think would be a fair asking price.
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titvol
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MoonLoon
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE:
I sincerely doubt that Mother England could afford the price. Without the taxes from their long gone colonies they struggle to meet the price of their socialist programs instituted in the last 30 years.
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MoonLoon
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE:
haha.. Well.. England still owns the United States..Our social security is issued from the IMF.
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thewallisgirl
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MoonLoon
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I_Heart_MAMBOSAUCE:
So you claim that the IMF is owned by Britain? The British Empire has been in decline for over 200 years. Without, U.S. support they would be a trophy head on the wall of a German "noble". The loss of India and Hong Kong crippled their economy and the socialist policies have led to a further erosion of their "vaunted", Empire. A poor imitation of Rome and just as doomed to failure. Their leaders drink gin and tonics on the verandah, congratulating themselves on their superiority, while the nation crumbles around them!
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MoonLoon
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MoonLoon
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OIl platforms in the Gulf of Mexico were the biggest ecological boost to the fish population, since restriction of commercial fishing. They serve as artificial reefs and fantastic diving and fishing destinations. Living on one of these platforms is one of the great experiences of your life, if you enjoy the sea and its creatures.
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MoonLoon
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biggranny
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MoonLoon:
moonloon you pretty much got my post.thanks. we have striped enough from our natural landscape already. there are plenty of places to put wind turbines. sorry so many of the people that post go straight to bashing the south
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biggranny
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MoonLoon
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MoonLoon:
Yes, Granny, I was referencing your comments. I spent 20 years off and on working on production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. I have seen whale sharks, really big hammerhead sharks, wild dolphins coming right up to me on the lower levels( plus 10) and at night during a full moon a feeding frenzy of almost every sea creature imaginable. Big Barracudas feeding on everything, Cobia, flying fish everwhere, sea trout, sting rays, and huge Manta rays. These platforms so reviled by the ill informed are incredible, they are the foundation of much life in the Gulf of Mexico.
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MoonLoon
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jaystyx
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Untouched pristine wilderness is an un renewable resource. I am against using any such land for generating energy, even if it is green energy.
Vast expanses of the United States are completely flat and have enough wind to generate tornados that measure over a mile in diameter. Why not build wind farms there?
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jaystyx
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eldamon
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You know what else is really ugly, living in the stone age without power or progress. Oil derricks and cricket pumps aren't too cute either but let them have discovered vast quantities of oil on those mountains and watch how fast they stick a refinery up there. This is far more about politics and payoffs then aesthetics.
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eldamon
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Denica_Cassandra
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lol, I smell a Lobbyist ...
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Denica_Cassandra
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jaystyx
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The NC state Gov may be using the ugly argument as an excuse, but that doesn’t change the fact that wind turbines are ugly.
I am not in favor of dotting this nation’s most beautiful natural environments with these eye sores. I say keep them off the coastlines and keep them off mountains. There are plenty of flat windy lands with no natural beauty whatsoever to build on.
Does that make me more or less of a tree hugger? - 2 years ago
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jaystyx
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silentm999
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they should just use the removed mountaintops for turbines, they're already ugly as sin and should get plenty of wind.
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silentm999
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Djohnson2158
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I like the wind turbines, they remind me of don quixote. beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? so lets stop basing our laws on superficial trivialities and start thinking about what's going to save our future.
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quixotic12
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Djohnson2158:
I agree! Don Quixote ftw!
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quixotic12
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biggranny
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if mountains were meant to have wind turbines on them they would have been born that way. before you tar and feather me let me suggest that there are better places for them,like the waters off the coast(creating fish hatcheries) or the plains. lets just take a deep breathe and think this one through ok
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biggranny
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biggranny:
biggranny, if you don't want turbines on the mountains because they weren't "born" that way, what is your reasoning for putting them in the ocean? Was the ocean "born" with turbines? I say put them everywhere energy production is needed. I personally like the way they look. I think it's a symbol of mankind working with nature rather than against it. We can't take down every essential tower structure because it messes up the view.
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silentm999
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they should just use the removed mountaintops for turbines, they're already ugly as sin and should get plenty of wind.
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jac1992
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Well, someone wont get elected next term... hopefully all 41 of the people who voted against
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jac1992
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googolplexer
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I am an avid backpacker and though it is important to keep places free from human impact, I would much rather see a line of remewable energy tubines on a ridge than no mountain at all.
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googolplexer
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I am an avid backpacker and though it is important to keep places free from human impact, I would much rather see a line of remewable energy tubines on a ridge than no mountain at all.
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imp_print
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So I have to look at Oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico in our tourist areas, but your mountains are too pretty?
GO F#@! YOURSELVES!
Drill baby drill in my back yard, but your mountains will get no pollutants just some windmills and your crying like a bitch?
SOUNDS LIKE A REPUBLICAN TO ME never wanting to sacrifice anything for someone else, assholes! - 2 years ago
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rachel1941
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We who were born and live in Appalachia are governed by the same laws as the rest of the country. As you look at the pics of "Appalachia" in these responses, just picture the rest of the poor in this country, no matter what state. There are these types of homes in every area of America. At least we are willing to TRY different things. Appalachian State is one of the finest schools in the southeast. Who are you people to make light of us? Most of us agree a little with both sides of this issue, but we are smart enough to realize that money and politics play a huge part in as well as the coal companys. Give us a break!! We didn't fall off the turnip wagon yesterday!!!
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kelto
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rachel1941:
Sorry, but, like I said earlier in the thread. A 42 to 1 vote to ban is a vote not to think. Your representatives have just fallen off of that wagon for you. I've visited. I have loved it! And I wouldn't mind seeing turbines. It would look like freedom from oil, it would look like someone was moving forward. Things change.
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kelto
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shikery
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What the hell? "On grounds it was to ugly" wtf kind of grounds is that? thats like saying in NYC that they would get rid of the homeless because "people are tired of looking at them". This has to be a smart state if 42 on a 43 member state senate voted that renewable energy wasn't a match for "being ugly". But to the one who voted agaist the ban, i say thank you.
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eldamon
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I'm thinking someone got a BIG payoff to vote down alternative forms of energy. Unfortunately for them the Federal Gov. can still use eminent domain and put up any windmills they see fit.
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eldamon
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stardate
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Ugly? Wind turbines look 100 times better than any mountain or other horribly screwed up natural entity
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kelto
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a complete ban is absurd. And the person that sites a 15 to 20 year old installation is a great example of the 'forward thinking' of the area. Politicians that pander to people that can't even read are never going to do anything but bring down the country as a whole. Stupid is as stupid does, that's what momma always said. Come on, figure it out people. decide on the best places for the turbines, the best kind to use and compromise a solution. A ban is just sayin that you can't even think.
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kelto
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tehachapi wind farm. the "damage" these rethugs claim is going to happen is nonexistent. this is stupid. coal is paying the tarheels more than renewable energy, so the're agginit it.
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Nephwrack
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pinkerbelle
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who's really going to see these wind turbines anyway???
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pinkerbelle
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negrete_ink
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EVERYONE!!!! LOOK UP under FEMA concentration DEATH camps..
The Government is doing some fucked up shit.....
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negrete_ink
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Nephwrack
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i waoners if they wants them newfangled internets?
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Betico
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dear god,
why are southerners so dumb?
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Betico
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MoonLoon
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Betico:
We were taught from, Yankee, textbooks!
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MoonLoon
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JanforGore
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This is what's ugly. How much did the coal lobby pay for this ruling?
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aquamammal
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Fuck North Carolina.
People with sanity, move out.
XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.
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aquamammal
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Driving through Germany I came accross many wind turbines, although the presence of giganic towers in the middle of the countryside was somewhat distracting to the natural landscape, it was the attitude of the German people that made it very acceptable and neccessary. If we are really serious about saving our planet then we must develope a mind set that sustainable energy is not an option. Solar and wind power must be harnessed and the slight change in scenary will be nothing compared to the damage from burning coal.
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CalgarC
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i wonder what lobbyist voted on that law
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neocongo
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Sorry but those mountains aren't going to look anything but better if covered with turbines.
This has nothing to do with aesthetics and everything to do with NC senators responding to industries demands for cheap, dirty, energy.
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neocongo
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xiola
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Because they're ugly. That's really the argument? And they won with that argument? Unbelievable. I don't even think they're ugly; I think they're pretty awesome. Do they realize how ugly things are going to get if we don't come up with some alternatives?... Wow.
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xiola
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xiola:
Agree!
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kelto
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ddelazan:
that's what the windbreaker looks like. way to generalize, btw. thanks.
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kelto
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ddelazan:
It is a windbreaker, WTF!
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BullDogg
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Why not comprimise and keep them below 3000 feet? That is all the law is doing. I am a big fan of renewable energy, but I am a bigger fan of mother nature and her beauty. That is why I support the new law and hope my state enacts a similar measure before all of the mountains around my house are covered with steel structures, access roads, and powerlines.
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Eleganza
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here is some more of the results of backwards thinking
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Actually, who cares? People who are determined to structure their lives as if it's still 1940 are not going to be persuaded by logic or technology. I'm surprised that they haven't outlawed cell phones, you know with all the cell towers that are required., Hell, why stop there ? Take down the power lines too, kerosene lanterns worked well for their grandpappy. Appalachia seems to be the standard for North Carolina.
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Eleganza:
I feel that you are being more than a little condescending. Most of the inhabitants of the Appalachian region are up against an awful lot of unforgiving circumstances. Also, I feel that the people you seem to be making light of, have very little to do with the drafting or passing of this law. I went to school at Appalachian State, and there is a small turbine on the campus. Though the appearance of a few turbines in town do not bother me, I can see how a wind farm above 3000 feet in the surrounding areas would devastate tourism, which, besides the school, is the main source of employment opportunities in the area. I have mixed feelings about this law, but I feel it is rather ignorant to make assumptions about an entire state based off of the ugly stereotypes of a economically and socially marginalized group.
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Eleganza:
Whatever, Like i said, who real cares , I know i sure as Hell don't.
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Eleganza
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Eleganza:
In addition to being condescending, before you knock an entire culture you might want to consider the fact that traditionally, Appalachian culture is incredibly self-sustaining.
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Eleganza:
"Eleganza", please accept my congratulations for exhibiting a total lack of compassion and understanding of the mountain people of North Carolina. They are descended from the independent Scots/Irish mountain people. Clannish and not well adapted to the social life of towns or cities. But certainly not stupid. They and their children have died by the thousands, in American wars, to protect your freedom of speech. They were the backbone of Washington's troops during the war against British tyranny, yet you choose to ignore their contribution to the freedoms we now enjoy in the U.S. Exactly what is your problem?
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MoonLoon
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Eleganza:
He's the fucking typical elitist in his own mind. I'm sure he could also cut and paste us some pictures of some fine Mexican slums. Mexico seems to be doing so well and I'm sure he has many reasons to be proud of that fucking third world cesspool that millions of Mexicans are willing to risk death to get the hell out of.
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titvol
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Eleganza
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Eleganza:
I love it when I can get you right wingers to foam at the mouth
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Eleganza
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titvol
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Eleganza:
Yep...you do resemble rabies.
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titvol
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revolutioninamerica
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i dont get the argument that they are ugly. every time i drive to pittsburgh i look forward to seeing the rows of turbines on the hillsides.
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revolutioninamerica
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Sooo wind farms are ugly? By that rationale does that mean we can now bull doze trailer parks?
And I like SeaJade's compromise, just use the smaller ones and that way the people who want it can have it. - 2 years ago
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benway
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Wesnology61:
Seas of oil rigs are much more attractive!
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I agree with the N. Carolina lawmakers: wind turbines are ugly and they should be placed where they are out of view. I live in a state where there is pristine wilderness. Now wind turbines are going up and now the wilderness isn't as pristine as it once was.
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BullDogg
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nerium
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A lot of this is politics and timing. The GSMNP and Blue Ridge Parkway's 75th Anniversaries are this year, we don't want to clutter up the postcards, do we? Save it for another budget year.
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nerium
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SeaJade
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There are other types of wind turbines besides the traditional props.... There was a fabulous company, that has alas, gone to the wind so to speak (PacWind.net), but one of their designs is still in use and being marketed by a company called wepower.
I went to Pac Wind's facilities a few years ago and their simple vertical designs from their small SeaHawks priced just below $3,000 and onward were awesome and worked... they could be placed in many places such as rooftops (and honestly if people can deal with satellite dishes and t.v. antenna, then they can deal with small turbines on their buildings....)
Here is a link so those interested at least know wind energy does not necessarily have to use large masses of otherwise beautiful landscapes, the vertical turbines are bird friendly (the birds can see them and don't fly into them), they are noiseless, and they don't cause problems with other living creatures (human or otherwise) by that constant flapping of light and shadow by the props, and they get going at very low wind speeds...
a link to a PDF on one of their designs with stats...
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SeaJade
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csmonut
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SeaJade:
I had seen these before and forgotten about them. Thanks for the link!
- 2 years ago
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csmonut
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pjacobs51
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SeaJade:
They also take you off the grid, why pay them for something you can get for for free.
- 2 years ago
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pjacobs51
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TenGig
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SeaJade:
They also place larger amounts of torque on the shaft and bearings than a prop type turbine, thus reducing reliability. Probably something to do with them being out of business.
- 2 years ago
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TenGig
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MilchMann
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SeaJade:
Heh, we have another engineer amongst us... I was going to hold my tongue on the torque problem, but since you brought it up... vertical wind turbines are down for maintenance more often than they are making electricity, they are highly cost inefficient... thank you right hand rule...
- 2 years ago
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MilchMann
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SeaJade
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SeaJade:
hey tengig/milchman.... Actually rotational torque was not an issue on the original seahawks and other vertical axis turbines pacwind produced... they were amazing, and no i am not an engineer, but my husband is, and so i took him down to the facility which was close by to us check them out to make sure i was seeing/hearing correctly... it was rather a case of business management and selling to a larger company... and you may or may not understand that this happens frequently as well as brilliant products and people often ignored by "the masses".
Although other vertical turbines may have the problems you suggest (and i certainly haven't seen anything as simple and effective as the seahawks were) you may appreciate that these things (great products like those wonderful little E.V.s that were taken off the market) do and have existed.... - 2 years ago
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SeaJade
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WakeUpPeople
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God forbid we have a few eyesores on the mountains which could later be removed. Better we use mountaintop removal and wait for them to grow back. Don't worry about the whole need for renewable energy in the first place. *facepalm
I swear I'm losing my faith in humankind. Every day that we sit by and do little to nothing makes me so angry. How can our species be so completely daft, gullible, and stubborn? We are the stewards of the earth and we have royally f-ed things up. We have the technology to maintain our way of life AND stay in harmony with our planet but we don't use it... because we want a pretty view of the mountains in the smog as we go the way of the Dodo.
- 2 years ago
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WakeUpPeople
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sk8bs55
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WakeUpPeople:
yea, you're right. that makes sense. funny how what would otherwise be a most practical decision becomes an emotional attachment.
- 2 years ago
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sk8bs55
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MilchMann
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WakeUpPeople:
Funny analogy that dodo... seeing as the introduced pigs trampling the eggs of the ground dwelling birds was the real cause of their demise... kind of like the trampling of our future generations with the introduction of egotistical and ignorant politicians.
- 2 years ago
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MilchMann
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bigperm184
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That land is stunning! but if people continue to be so ridiculous, they will not be beautiful for long. 15 yrs ago I might have thought it was silly, installing wind turbines , due to me not realizing how fast our world is heading for a disaster. It makes so much sense on why we should USE WHAT GOD GAVE US, WIND, WATER, SUN!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP WORLD, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!
- 2 years ago
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bigperm184
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tawnybabe
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Wow. That's not really very intelligent reasoning. The wind turbines will generate clean energy regardless of how "ugly" they may be.. Unless, the real question here is politics. Who lobbied for the ban and will benefit from this? Probably the coal companies....
- 2 years ago
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tawnybabe
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stephenthomson
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tawnybabe:
i dont even understand where this "ugly" argument comes from. since when is smoke coming out of a coal tower any more attractive?
- 2 years ago
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stephenthomson
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titvol
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Nice to see all the knee jerk remarks from the leftist wind bag....err...turbine experts.
- 2 years ago
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titvol
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larrysnotes
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titvol:
I am, opps wind turbines, not gas turbines.:p
- 2 years ago
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larrysnotes
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Nephwrack
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titvol:
so you two are wind farm experts? i guess mountiantop REMOVAL is ok, for the clean coal myth, but not putting up windmills? i live near palmdale, CA, and there's a wind farm in tehachapi, close to here. you can hardly hear it when you're standing under it. not only that but it's caused a surplus of power for the tehachapi community. these rubes deserve what they get.
- 2 years ago
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Nephwrack
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bansheewail
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Before you guys bash me and my fellow hillbilly Tarheels, know this. Appalachain State University has one of the oldest "sustainabilty" programs in the region. I went to school there in the 90's. The University had sustainable farming, civic planning, energy, etc. courses. The town of Boone also had a GIANT windturbine on the mountain top overlooking the town (Howard's Knob wind turbine pictured). It was an eyesore. And, it never worked. I saw it move a handful of times. The wind in the NC mountains is fierce. It changes speed and direction all the time. The wind speed range that that turbine could use was very small. Too little, and it didn't turn. Too much, and it was unstable and had to be locked down. Based on my experience, I think the Mountain tops should stay free of wind turbines. NC can farm more wind off-shore anyway. Ten miles off the OBX(Outter Banks) there's plenty of wind and nobody would have to see the turbines. Case Closed. This is a stupid argument.
- 2 years ago
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bansheewail
