Obama's Health Care Town Hall

Not funny, it is freakin scary. The only good thing about that article is that it truly shows how stupid the rest of the world thinks Americans are... and I have to give it to them, the people at Fox, CNN, and the other conglomerates make it pretty easy for them to assume it. If this bill does not pass, we are screwed on a whole lot of fronts, not just health care.

Speaking of BS, did you know that 99% of statistics are exactly that.

By most polls and statistics... no, 80% do not have health insurance.

80% with insurance are satisfied with their coverage. That's from a Rasmussen poll, the most accurate poll in 2008 predicting Obama the winner. That's 80% of 85% of Americans who have insurance. 47million Americans DO NOT have insurance or 15% of the population based on 320 million.

So, 273 million are COVERED by insurance plans. 80% of those are satisfied with the care.

Of the 47 million uninsured, 10 million are ILLEGALS, another 10 million are eligible for current programs and other 9 or so million are healthy and simply do not want insurance leaving around 18 million WITHOUT and those are the ones needing some sort of option and everyone agrees with that. (actually there is another segment that can be deducted from that figure, which brings it around 9 million without insurance

I ask, how often have you heard that of the 47million, 10 million are illegals?

The current bill specifically states that it makes no rule for citizenship as an eligibility requirement and that has a lot of TAXPAYERS up in arms..

Wow, talk about haters and selfishness.

Do you realize those "gas guzzlers" pay more in gas tax than the little eco cars? Do the math.

Do you have a problem with your government officials being multi-millionaires driving gass guzzlers and flying lear jets while not paying into social security, getting their salary as a pension for life after one term? Do you have a problem with Pelosi wanting 8 more lear jets on the government fleet to the tune of $65 million per jet? Do you have a problem with the government driving SUV's while they tell us to drive eco cars?

Do you have a problem with the government having the best health care in the country paid for by the public?

Your fellow citizens are NOT the enemy. The tax and funding for the Obama plan will fall directly on the middle class and if you think not, think again.

I think the government taking 30% of my paycheck is pretty fair already.

What percentage of that is medcaid or medicare enrollment? I will give you a hint. Over 1/3... so over a third of those people are covered by those two, they have a 90+% approval rating on both of those systems... that means that actual private health insurance has between 60-70% approval. OH, how the numbers can be twisted to mean what ever you want... not to mention that the "uninsured" persons number is trimmed to hell, it does not include those that are eligible for this or that... and then the actuaries get a hold of it and take regional averages... it is a BS number. Stop touting it.

Illegal immigrants are not considered citizens, and there for are not part of the number of uninsured CITIZENS in this country. stop touting BS.

Where does the bill say that about not needing to be a citizen, I want page and line numbers. I HAVE read it, and it says no such thing. It talks about not refusing emergency care (that is not health insurance)... every nation in the world does not refuse emergency care, if you get wounded in a remote part of Africa they are going to try and help you... and not ask for you health insurance card. Stop touting BS.

Did anyone say that trucks and SUVs do not have there place in the world? No, it was said that they are un necessary for Betty Sue and Joe Blow to drive around on a daily basis to get groceries in. Stop touting BS arguments.

The Health Care Plan defines specificly how it is going to be funded, it does not fall on middle class America, stop touting BS arguments.

Any thing else stupid you want to say ObamamammaNo5.

He changed his mind once he had more information, that is hardly lying... that is called listening to what people are telling you, something you should consider trying.

Funny that you use that defense for OBAMA but dismisssed it as a defense for Booooosh, LOL!

If Obama's care plan gets approved, we're all screwed - employers, taxpayers, investors..etc and I have a mind of my own and can think about all sides btw.

I was apolitical during most of the bush years, I did not scream about anything, the reasoning for that is more than I am going to share with you...

So tell me then, is every other industrialized nation in the world screwed? Does any other industrialized nation in the world spend as much as us and still have the worst industrialized system? How do you explain these things by your logic? ... through your ability to look at things from all sides that is!!!

I guess will take your word over the president. Ignant!

Breaking rules 1, 2, and 3. You are not using your head, you are sighting blogs, and spreading lies.

I fail to see how where he was educated plays into anything... I also fail to see how giving preferential treatment to someone who has more of a chance to live is a death panel... these accusations are warped... these decisions are made on a daily basis in hospitals without your unfounded fear of a health "czar." For example, if there is a car crash and two people are mortally wounded and they can only help one... they are going to choose the younger, they have a better chance of recovery. You like to spin arguments... We see through them... you are a fool if you believe this crap.

LOL, so by your own example, I'd call YOU a death panel. BINGO! You have Rahm's brother's philosophy exactly right. Both mortally wounded, the younger one gets to live because of his youth. I am looking on line to find Ezekiel's exact quote about this "sacrifice". You'll be amazed.

What's also VERY funny is how you are not considering that BOTH people SHOULD be covered by ObamaCare and BOTH, therefore, should LIVE, No?

And, I wasn't citing his education, that was your assumption. I told you the part that stood out to me.

No, what you really did was copy and paste, and what you want to do is to decry panic. Me a death panel, for your sake I am not... yes I wish both had a shot of living at the same time... in times when you do not have that option... what do you do Mr. genius... let them both die? Your logic is not very sound sir, say we did treat the older person... could you not make the argument that we are killing our selves off by giving preferential treatment to the elderly... this argument is moot and stupid. Doctors will save people when they can, and when they can not they do not take the decision lightly... having a plan for how you will make that decision is smart, it saves precious seconds if not minutes on what should be done so that things can start happening and both people do not die. I know you understand that... stop trying to bandy words.

Per your example, why should they have to "choose one" when they are equally injured? If you don't like the term "death panel" then what would you call it when they decide one dies and the other doesn't ? Social justice? That's what Dr. Emanuel calls it. Again, what is your logic about choosing? Under what circumstances do they have to "choose" which one dies if they are both covered by insurance?

What you are talking about is the essence of Obama Care whereby older Americans, even if insured take the risk of "not being chosen" to live because it's social justice letting a younger person live and spending the money on them.

You need to get the money idea out of your head. These statements and the argument are not about money, they were not when Dr. Emanuel said them, and they are not now when I say them. What has been latched onto by certain elements of the media is the need to choose from time to time. This need does not have anything to do with getting payed, it has to do with the feasibility of the person surviving.

Now, let us get a couple of point strait for you.

1) If a kid and an adult come into a hospital and the one is injured to a point that they are most likely not going to make it, and the other is injured to the point to where they might die if they try to save the first but can be save if they operate right then... who do you think they are going to work on? The one that has next to no chance, or the one that will die if they work on the guy who has no chance? Old or young, it does not matter, who ever has the chance is who will get the operations.

2) The end of life operations that are deemed risky... insurance companies do not pay for these, this includes medicare, AND private insurers... actually private insurers are more likely to decline anything for someone over 65, their course of profitability has been run and often are completely dropped from coverage at that point. So no one will pay for these surgeries or other procedures except for the client them selves from time to time... how is this a new idea? Let us also make it clear these are not routine survivable things we are talking about. I have a 95 year old grandmother that had a hip replacement 8-9 months ago, she has always taken care of her self and is in great shape, the same doctor refused a friend of hers ten years her junior a month later because she was not in good enough shape to survive the surgery. Medicare payed for my grandmother... the doctor made the call, medicare said we trust you... they payed... the doctor makes another call a month later... he could have done the surgery and made the money, the patient could have died and medicare would not have to worry about them any more... but no, the system preserved life where it could have been ended... so tell me about these government death boards some more.

One word for you nobamascrewedyourmama, ignorant.

See kennymotown... I argue every point he brings up just so it is not sitting there unabated for other people to believe... I wish ignoring these people was a viable option... but it is not, their lies will spread if they go unchecked.

"Obama lied, Older Americans died. Just watch if this passes in the form he wants it. It is WRITTEN about end of life care and decision to be made how much to spend."....

SHOW ME....where it says that, because I've read it.

America=idiocracy

See, the BS statements backfire. And I wish he was promoting a single payer plan... but in reality this is probably a good stepping stone and it works well in several of the top ten healthiest nations in the world, including Singapore which only spends a 1/5 of what we do per individual. They are number 7 in the world health care rankings... we are 37. France also has a similar system... they are number 1.

You are pretty good at bandying words, but you should stop lying... or fact checking if you truly believe what you are saying... facts do not come from right wing blogs or think tanks either, you seem to be fond of sighting them for things... we do not sight left wing blogs!!! There are people equally as smart if not smarter than you on here and we will catch you every time if you continue.

Perhaps one day the scales will fall off your eyes and you WILL CHANGE your perspective about those who criticize this man.

Hillary said it best in her screaming voice that ANY American has a right to disagree with ANY ADMINISTRATION. That's what we are doing. This is NOT REFORM. This is a government care program that is designed to eliminate the private care in this country and Obama said that with his own mouth. He called it a "transition period".

Funny, did you know that whatever they sign by the end of this year is NOT going into effect until 2013, the year AFTER the 2012 election?????

So, by his own words - he says it will take years to perfect it and "get it right", so why not take the TIME to GET IT RIGHT NOW and do some REAL REFORM and CHANGE what is broken in the system NOW rather than what they propose which is to establish a TAX PAYER FUNDED government program designed to COMPETE with private programs.

All they'll do is add another 130,000,000 to the government insurance program. We cannot afford it. States are already going broke from Medicaid, Medicare and SCHIP.

FIRST, do TRUE reform and ELIMINATE government WASTE before they establish new programs. For God's sake, it'll be no time before we are broke if this idiot gets his way.

All he's doing is parrotting the financial crisis that was created during the election (big surprise) - we had to MOVE NOW or everything would have fallen apart. Well, it didn't. LIES LIES and more LIES.

Obama talks about the special interests. Give me a break. He's ALL about the special interests...environmentalists, pharmaceutical companies, AARP, etc. There are a lot of "big corporations" lobbying for National health are with Obama - yeah, that's change.

Good Lord, it's simply amazing to read snowed so many Americans are by this deliberate attempt by this party to deceive and degrade the critics.

You can disagree with someone and still let them speak, that is what one calls a debate... not letting them speak, well, that is cowardice, and that is what is happening, not disagreements.

Perhaps both sides have scales over there eyes. You have some good things to say mamabama or what ever your name is, but then you go and spew BS to back it up with. Try sticking with actual facts and it will be more credible, you might actually win a few minds that way.

They were told by Pelosi NOT to hold meetings.

He's not "appealing" to anyone - he's out there trashing his opponents and not giving details of "his plan" except that it's imperfect and will be perfected in years to come. So, how many will have to suffer at the teat of government healthcare with denial of services and mounds of paperwork until they "get it right".

I can take no more of your BS arguments... no details of his plan, there are over 1000 pages of detail, go read them.

Nobamayomama, even if Pelosi told the gops not to hold meetings, which is a lie, since when do they or any other representative answer to her. Oh, and asking for rational discussion is appealing to "rational" people.

Very well put.

80 some percent of American's like their medical plans and that is a fact that is ignored by this administration.

We, in "Middle America" can see the light and our critical thinking is right on. You do not hold the only opinion about middle america - we can see that there needs a "fix" and we can also see that government run programs funded by taxpayers are full of waste and go bankrupt.

We in middle america want this administration to not pass something, then FIX it as they go for years to come - we want TRUE bipartisan efforts to look at what what is broke and CHANGE that.

REFORM is just that. REFORM a system that has flaws. But, we in Middle America and everywhere else in this country understand the motive of this agenda as well as the takeover of the health care system in America. THAT is what we are protesting and it's a TRI-partisan protest: Democrats, Independents AND Republicans who aren't falling for the drivel coming from Obama's mouth.

Would you buy a house from a realtor if they told you you needed to buy it RIGHT NOW OR ELSE?

All Obama is doing by his own rhetoric is deeply dividing this country and spewing fear mongering just like he accuses the other side of. He doesn't understand that there is a growing REAL movement on ALL sides of the political spectrum because much to his dismay, we aren't as stupid as he thinks we are.

@nobamayomama

I apologize if I offended you but it sounds as if you're not very well informed

Read up a bit on the issues before regurgitating misinformation that's been stated a hundred times before -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly-funded_health_care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine

Then you can get back to me...

to nobamayomama
"80 some percent of American's like their medical plans and that is a fact that is ignored by this administration."
huh?!
the fact is so many people cannot afford health insurance is the primary reason for this reform. i am nurse and i see it everyday that so many people are worried about paying for their hospital cost.
get it right bud

The 47 million "uninsured" comprise 14.5% of our population. That leaves 95+% in which over 80% of those have insurance and are happy with it. We all know people who fall thru the cracks and /or cannot afford to pay insurance - THOSE are the ones we can offer a service to.

@ nobamayomama

See that's what we're talking about. I don't think anyone wants to replace the insurance available today. They just want to offer options to those who can't afford what's available now.

I'm one of those people. I have no insurance. If I find out I have Cancer I am fucked! I will die in horrible pain.

Many others are in the same boat.

"We all know people who fall thru the cracks and /or cannot afford to pay insurance - THOSE are the ones we can offer a service to."

It also happens to be what this health care plan is actually doing... but it would require a little reading and fair analysis to realize that.

@MilchMann

I think that's what he's saying... he's meeting us half way. Recognizing the problem but not willing to give up what he knows.

I can appreciate that.

NO, it's not. That's what the debate is all about. There are clauses that give the insurance (publicly funded to illegals) who comprise 25% of the 47 million they spew about. That's a huge issue for us.

Where you are concerned, IF, and God forbid, you would get cancer, you already have options - they cannot deny you care.

Not knowing you personally or what your circumstances are: Married, kids, etc., there are programs and if not, then I have no problem with th egovernment adding something for those who simply cannot afford insurance - but we already have the SCHIP program, Medicaid , PThe medical cards from welfare and the like.

Many of those 47 million choose not to enroll in programs that are readily available now. I hope, for people like you, they come up with true REFORM.

Wrong , they can and do refuse care to cancer patients daily... there is a huge debate over it in Texas right now... MD Anderson which is run by the University of Texas (public university making it a public hospital) refuses patients that are only able to pay small amounts never mind nothing... whats more, this publicly funded institution makes massive profits every year... look it up. You are speaking without knowing what you are speaking of.

If you want to campaign to make non citizens ineligible, go for it, I do not think you will have a whole lot of resistance in that... and you might actually get it done. The 47M number though... that is all citizens, and it is an extremely trimmed number as well.

@nobamayomama

Okay... well thanks for spitting in my face.

The bigger issue is that the system we have today costs to much. Some 30% of the work force in the medical industry is administration. People who have nothing to do with fixing people, but are there to orchestrate the finances involved in doing so.

Also you should read up on other countries and thier aproach to helthcare.

France
The UK
Switzerland
Canada (not as bad as you might believe it to be)
Cuba (fucking Cuba!)

The argument for socialized health care has been around since the 60s and it's been tested and tried in many parts of the world. And guess what? It works!

We are 37th in the world for health care.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

And 30th in life expectancy is well below average...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Something here does not add up.

actually Cuba is behind us again... they are 39, we are 37... the fact that they were ahead of us, or are even close to us is sad though... Canada is 30th... I do not know about you, but I do not want to go through all of this to be only 7 rankings better. I would prefer Singapore... they are 6th, and spend a 5th per person what we do. France is number one, but they are not doing to well financially with their system, and are having to make cuts in it. Switzerland is pretty good... they are only number 20 though... better than us, but why shoot low... UK, again, kinda sloppy on the spending side, and they are only 18th.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Do some reading on Singapore, they are immaculate... and it has just been getting better with time.

Acckkk! I can't win! :)

You got me! I just grabbed some links. Which you posted again. :)

Some of them may have sloppy medical spending, but it doesn't mean they spend as much as we do...

http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/20070503/health_care_spending_and_results_in_perspe...

Edit: Nifty graphs!
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php

Or that they aren't being pulled in different directions by other financial concerns.

We're America! We are the leader of the free world! Why can't we do better?

That's all I'm saying.

Definitely agree with that, even though those others are a bit wasteful, they are nowhere near as bad as we are now... I do not see compromising for not as bad though... out of all of the research I have done though, Singapore is the man to model.

The only thing I haven't heard is the differences in population in comparison to health care around the world.

It seems relevant, and I worry bringing it up would pretty much devastate any argument for health care reform. Not because it's impossible to enact change but because it would mean that making health care available for everyone would be to expensive.

I suppose my argument to that would be to tax the upper 1% (we are way to upper crust heavy) but trying to get that through congress would be almost impossible.

Well anyway, I don't have a point but I thought it might be worth mentioning.

Edit: Actually it looks like China (highest population in the world) is working to give health care to all its citizens:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/08/china-health-care-markets-equity-stimulus.html

Why can't we be more like China! :)

Ha... nothing like discovering something that completely discredits an argument a few minutes after you state it...

... But wow, China... I honestly do not know what to say... we need universal coverage health care.

Macol - I wasn't spitting in your face, I was responding to someone else.

The health care plan, the one on line definitely is targeted to replace/threaten private health care. Google HR 3200, pages 15, 16, 19 and so on pretty much spell it out as well as the government having access to your personal checking , savings accounts if you are enrolled in their program.

It's futile to present facts when people think communist countries are better than America. You have no idea what it's like there. You must get a "permit" to have a kid and if you have a girl, she gets to go to the sweatshop in China - there's so much more, it's just sad Americans think America sucks and these places are better. What propaganda.

People who are upset about this particular bill, the one on-line have read it and find it does not address real reform. It imposes more government and less quality health care for all. It's government intrusion to the max and it will bankrupt the country .

The 47 million figure is a lie and that's a fact. If you want to continue working for illegals and giving them emergency room health care , then by all means, keep rooting for this concept to pass as it is written. We, however, are for real change - to give Americans, legal ones a road to health care that is affordable. NO ONE has a problem with that. I hope you can look at all sides and look at the bill because actually, more than you know, we are on the same page if all the facts were laid out by the media.

Kid, the government already has access to your bank account, if you try to skip out on child support you will find this out very quickly...

pointing out how unfair china is and they are still trying to provide universal health care... do you really think this is helping your argument?

All countries give emergency care to everyone, I have pointed this out to you before, if you are injured in a remote part of Africa they will help you with out asking for a health insurance card, same goes for Canada, Mexico, Cambodia, China, even Iran, North Korea, or Venezuela... the list is 260 some odd countries long... meaning all of them. Even if you took it away from the system that we have now... which it is a part of, it would not stop... read the Hippocratic Oath, doctors take that as more powerful than the law... emergency care for anyone will never go away, it is a universal human right.

You are right, the 47 million number is a fallacy, but because it is really more like twice that, and illegal aliens are not CITIZENS... so are not counted in that fickle poll you are so fond of citing.

@ nobamayomama

I must have misunderstood your comments earlier....

But It's like a religious debate with you.

"I stand on the hill of holy sacrifice
of judicial ramblings,
to say to all of you
FAITH IS THE WAY!
Faith in our system!
Faith in our government,
and faith that everything will turn out all right!
Don't listen to those heathens,
as they bubble lies
and tear you from the love that entangles me,
and ALL who believe!"

You realize that this country is built on the practice of not believing and fighting for what we see to be wrong and unfair?

MilchMann takes joy in proving you wrong... I just get tired of it.

No, I do not enjoy it, I find it incredibly annoying actually. I do on the other hand refuse to let factitious hyperbolic diatribe remain unchecked, that is how people come to believe lies... this is how lobbyists work, they push their agendas and often lies (such as the case is here) until the other side gives up... I do not give up, I fight to my last breath no matter how harsh the conditions, or how feeble the cause.

Aww man! You make an excellent point!

But after a while it's like a merry-go-round. I've always been the type of person that if I'm arguing with someone and they start repeating themselves then I feel like it's a meaningless fight.

Like the religion argument. No one wins.

I have to say that those with faith in any system isn't asking questions. And not asking questions is beyond my comprehension.

We need people like you to fight the fight. I'll be over here writing poetry ... :)

Obviously he is the president and there is no room for lies at one of his town halls. I did see a republican ask a question of the president didn't you. Oh by the way he's the cool head in this debate. Not that long ago for about 8 years no de-centers were allowed into a Bush road show or have you forgot. But decent was not allowed against an illegal war!

Source of info please.

Obama is the "cool head" in the debate? Do you not kinow that he perfected that tactic? You can read about it in "Dreams of my father", it's quoted all the time.

There's no room for "lies" in his townhalls? LOL! You have GOT to be kidding? On Craigslist, there are hundreds of new ads to PAY people to go to the townhalls ever since Obama said to "punch back".

It doesn't take a long search to find where Obama said he IS a proponent for SINGLE PAYOR health care and it also doesn't take a long search to show where he wants to ELIMINATE PRIVATE CARE. Some of you should really CHANGE the channel and listen to the critics of this program.

The bill he is talking about is ON LINE and the things the critics are saying are TRUE. Obama hasn't read the bill obviously because this whole video is full of platitudes and LIES.

They want to insure 10 million illegals - ask any southern town how many illegals use the emergency rooms as their clinics and do not pay insurance OR the bill when it comes. The 47 million uninsured is a LIE.

The IRS will TAX you 2500 a year if you do not have insurance as a penalty. Where is the freedom in that for one of the 47 million who are young and HEALTHY who haven't CHOSEN to be insured? There are many who will pay CASH for their care and do not have it. THEY ARE included in that count. GET A CLUE ALREADY! Your FREEDOM is being taken away by this idiot.

Yeah, for what he has accused the town halls about (having plants) - that's ALL he did during ANY of his campaign "town halls". That's THEIR MO. I've never seen such projection in action in all my life.

The man could NOT HANDLE ANY real questions from anyone. They even went to the extreme to have this and that one behind him so the cameras could see how diverse he is. GAG ME. Yes, even those seated behind him were scheduled to do so.

Smoke and mirrors. Platitudes and more campaigning. What a freak.

You're delusional. Obama doesn't want to insure illegals. Be for real. What part of "option" don't you understand?

You think with the public option, there will be the "millions" of illegals in line and they will bring their asses + lack of citizen credential and get insured anyway?

You're spreading lies like your screen name would suggest.

Gosh, the media is really doing it's job rippin apart the people who disagree and have read the bill and/or are not in love with this liar.