Fox News and the UK's response to the smear of their healthcare system

The premiums are outrageous and at first the changes may not be perfect but we must start somewhere...
What is wrong with a study of successfully implemented healthcare plans in other countries and implementing the way that will work for our country, http://current.com/items/90678384_health-care-switzerland-compared-to-usa.htm, also Japan implemented a great healthcare system.

I am also concerned about currently proposed healthcare plan and I would like to know how can we influence the changes?

It is very true that the health care system in existence in the US is terrible. HMO's, PPO's dictate what doctors and services you are allowed at present. And it is true the more money you have to throw at them in premiums the better coverage you get. Even then, they are constantly looking for ways not to pay on the policies.
However, I managed to procure a copy of the health care plan, all 1000 and some odd pages of it. What I have been reading in it scares the shit out of me. It needs some really serious work if this is what the government wants to do. Google "health care bill pdf" , leave off the quotes, and get a copy for yourselves. The only way to form an opinion one way or the other is to be informed as best you can.

Try this. Medicaid and medicare contract healthcare to HMO's who in turn hire a shithouse full of administrative people who cost a fortune to setup and serve the people. I must admit that I have an HMO and I do have fairly good healthcare but the cost of this mediocre healthcare is ridiculously high. And tey operate like cable tv. It certainly leaves a lot to be improved on. For those seriously sick and need specialists are out of luck and with HMO's you dont have a choice of doctors, only a select few who will accept the fees set forth in their charter. So HMO Doctors do not hae the freedom to charge what the want. If the government had a system whereby the patient had a choice of any doctor and there were no corpoprate HMO's, no Corporate for profit hospitals, no hospital CEO's getting paid outrageous bonuses and everyone were to be paid a decent wage. SIngle payer healthcare and everyone could be happy. Take the corruption and the corporate and the Industry control of everything out of our daily lives and bring some sanity into healthcare and our daily lives and share this sanity with the Government too.

Any system would be better than what we got, pay to stay alive. Sounds like our system is more mafia based protection than health care.

They all have bad teeth.

You know, when you get this new healthcare plan and after it takes at least a decade to get everyone covered. And then after a few years of finding out it is not what you thought it was you'll still blame it's failure on some conservative.

It's well known healthcare in US is broken and the argument is really about how to fix it. I think no matter what is the solution the hardworking people will suffer. Those on the top will continue pay top dollar to get the best care somewhere in the world, those who currently have no coverage will be happy if they have something, and the middle class will suffer some more.

Thank you biggranny!

blah blah blah we are beginning to sound like a nation of total assholes. shut the fuck up until you know what you are talkng about please

First of all, UK"s healthcare system while having it's problems is rated by WHO to be better than ours.

Secondly, the new American model being proposed currently is not modelled after the UK's healthcare system rendering this gentlemen's assessment valueless to our current debate (if you want to call it that).

Why is the entire argument against Obama's proposal being made by idiots. Will some non-Jackass please make a case?

Obviously, NurseDisinformation didn't go to the link and watch the videos and READ the blog posts from people in the UK about the care they receive. It's much easier to cling to the talking points, I guess. Everything that you are afraid of, "death panels, rationing" and such ALREADY EXISTS in our current Insurance and Big Pharma driven system. Who do you think denies the claims of sick people??? Jesus? Maybe, the tooth fairey?? NO, it's a panel!! This reform will Bill will help fix the very things that you wingnuts are railing against. Inform yourself. Be an American for once.

Why do they always use the UK as an example..why not use the best example, France, for the comparison to our system?
If i were to consider designing a car for instance, I would not use a Ford Pinto as my guide, I would use a Mercedes....get it? If not, PLEASE, just shut up and go suck your thumb.

Diesel you're just repeating the same talking point lies Fox and the Insurance Industry have been giving us for years. Lies lies lies and we're sick of them.

At birth the life expectancy in the UK is higher than in the USA, but after age 50 the life expectancy is higher in the USA.
Ask a doctor or nurse from the UK why that is?

Why do you think people that are dying come here to get treatment before they die.
Why do you think people from NHC countriess come here for excellent and timely treatment.
If you are over 50 in NHC countries and you get sick you are f*cked.
In England there are more NHC administrators than doctors. Must be where the money is........no wonder it takes forever to get care.

And this one....

BenJP
11 Aug 09, 9:55pm (about 16 hours ago)

Ignoring the disingenuous misrepresentation of the NHS in the clips, discussions of its merits and the suggestions that something similar will be set up in America are pretty irrelevant, seeing as no such system is being proposed by even the most liberal of Congressmen, they aren't even plans to set up a Canadian-style single payer system, where the government acts as an insurer (there's something like it though), let alone one where the government actually owns the hospitals, employs the doctors etc. Moaning about how many people the NHS employs only acts to highlight the ignorance of many of those on the right in this debate.

The blog enties from the good (rational)(unpaid) people in the UK are very telling. Check out the link and get it straight from the horses' mouths. here's one I like:

BigB73
11 Aug 09, 10:39pm (about 15 hours ago)
These people are unbloody believable.

As for the people complaining the (UK)NHS is shite, they can simply cough up (like they would in America) and buy the drugs they want directly, oh thats right they dont want to do that because a course of cancer drugs runs to tens of thousands a year.

Its my understanding in the states a second trimester scan to check on baby health costs around $600 for the uninsured, on the NHS its free, or rather a massively lower cost through national insurance.

And also if the yanks have such great health provision why do they need flying doctors to run mercy missions to look after the poor / low paid, they are meant to be the wealthiest country in the world but a massive slice of their population rely on charity to survive. DISGUSTING, I'm no commie but for fuck sake these health reform bashers dont deserve what they have, most of these fuggers claim to be religious as well, wheres the compassion.

I tried to watch Fox news for 20 minutes the other day and felt physically sick at being abused by the manipulative, slanted, fabricated stories anyone who cant see through it must truly be as thick as pig shit.