Was he littering or helping fellow human beings?

Those "guatemalans, peruvians, el salvadorians, etc " you speak of are not "all" Legal.Sorry to burst your bubble.They prolly get the same I D's as the Mexicans.
There was a documentary The Train De La Muerte.It shows the plight and deaths of those south of Mexico.The people aiding them also get punished for doing so.These people that you believe are legal have journied twice as far to make a life of value for themselves.People blame Mexicans cause they are directly on the border,but these other Latinos are no different.

Nah, chill out. We know the guy and they're legal.

Many live in shoddy areas where the houses were falling apart, but now their making them into beautiful homes I might not even be ashamed of. I know that's not the mexicans because of people who hire them, their all those southern latin countries.

If natives didn't show compassion, they would have never been raped and murdered, and shoved onto 'reserves'.

Go figure.

Actually, Your comment just made me realize there's two opposing points. The natives showing compassion destroyed their livelihood. But, their compassion allowed the immigrants to survive.

The plastic jugs that contain the water are though.

I suppose I could say the same for the fence posts and barbed wire... seems to be littering the whole country side. just a thought.

I don't really see it as the same. Most people put barbed wire and fences on their property for some form of control and protection, and it usually doesn't choke or trap wildlife (usually being key here, barbed wire is a bit different, but most animals don't get trapped, merely deterred). Plastic jugs can trap small animals, and pollute the environment. Wildlife officials mentioned that they should at least confine the jugs so that they don't end up in random places.

It's a nice point, but the affect on the environment is very different. Fence posts and barbed wire don't blow around, and don't end up on someone else's property.

Progresshiv -
I know that you state the fact that continents have no "natural borders" but they do have state borders, and currently there is no country or state in the world that has "open" borders which allow free access and free crossing, and there is many good reasons why.
By opening your borders to anybody, you have no clue of their past or their history. True, they could be a family or an innocent person looking for a new life but many times it is criminals and people with shady backgrounds. If you take the time to research the demographics and the statistics of how many illegal immigrants are currently in federal prisons, you'll be disheartened at the results. Now, take the amount of tax money and resources spent on those particular prisoners, and add that to the fact that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes, then include the money that corporations hog up by exploiting them and paying them poor wages. With all of that, go ahead and include some aid that the government does provide for them and the housing that they occupy. All of these factors equal to an economic melt down of this country that would indefinitely cause famine and deaths for our own citizens. And what about all of the immigrants who got here legally? It isn't really fair for them since they worked and waited for their citizenship.
I understand the statement you are stressing that they cannot opt for a better life unless they go into drug trade or go into the U.S., but you forgotten the third option - revolution. They are perfectly able to implement a revolution in their own country. I am very aware of the country's history of revolutions but they are completely able to do so because it is the majority that is suffering, not just a minority.
If you think we are a rich nation - think again. We are a nation that is roughly seperated by two classes, poor and rich. The poverty line in the U.S. is increasing with coporate free-market capitalists controlling the banks and basically deeming themselves as the ruling class. And if we were able to allow open border immigration, we will just be about to par with Mexico as far as poverty goes.

JJ this is the first post in a while in which i agree with every word. (except who to blame because i spread blame over far more people than just our chosen figurehead of the moment). but well said. i would do the same. hundreds die just trying to live. it isn't right.

Hopefully that holds you off until next time. =P

And by hardest working do you mean most easily exploitable? America is a melting pot, true, but at some point you have to close the doors and start building the country up. And if you have any knowledge whatsoever of economics, they are in fact ruining are country because you forget the Chinese and Irish came over here LEGALLY and they have to pay taxes like everybody else. Illegals don't pay taxes.

--As long as we REALLY "let em in"; treat them as honorary citizens in all ways-NOT DEPENDANT ON EMPLOYMENT- for as long as they remain here. No coercive force on the side of employers is acceptable. If its a humanitarian cause,....damn well make it humanitarian. Mexican workers kick ass, and they don't deserve their asses KICKED!

Throwing the War ON Drugs into this is a way for you to avoid the reality.There are lots of jobs out there only alot of Americans think they are above the work.I believe the Mex. poeple are hostile at times because of the racism,segregation,and threat of deportation.Not to forget America stole their land and outcasted them.Think about it.

ciarabriana
Seriously; "jobs out there only a lot of Americans think they are above the work"-----GET REAL
Its all about the wage and working conditions/ occupational safety enforcement,.....
IMPORTED PEASANT SERFS UNDERMINE THE POWER AND STATUS OF AMERICAN LABOR.
Pay a reasonable living wage, and overtime when its worked, and actually monitor the chemicals in the air, HAVE WORKMAN'S COMP,.....hell, we HAVE the workers.

Buy a gun...

several.

Please explain how "opening the borders" will cause chaos/anarchy.. go.

Well "Magic6435", currently no state or country allows free access across the borders and there's very good reason to why. Do me a favor, do a statistics research on the demographics of how many illegal immigrants are currently in U.S. prisons - and I assure you they're for bigger scale crimes than this "water jug" bullshit. And what makes you think that all of the unskilled laborers will find jobs? They already don't pay taxes, so they pretty much have a good chance of contributing NOTHING to society. The economy will pretty much collapse and poverty will soar high in the country. Do your research first before throwing out claims. You may be "passionate" and "Kind" but know that if we open borders, then you'd be screwing over your fellow citizens and possibly send the country into a famine.

Read it again magic6435. I said, "as it stands today". We don't yet live in a Utopian society and probably never will.

You sound like a pathetic NAZI, Arian Soldier.Why don't you go to work for a dollar an hour and then feed your family and pay bills.You are ignorant.I go on Craigslist every day and see tons of job opportunities.If someone from here is TOO LAZY to get a job or to do manual labor then they are the ones raping our country.I am American and can assure you Illegal Mexicans can't get Govt. Help with fake socials.What they do do is pay taxes to fund BS wars and polital wastes.They don't claim their taxes yearly as they fear the govt..Children of illegals who do qualify for aid are American Citizens with every right we are entitled to.Most Mex. people I meet work hard,are family oriented,and stay to themselves.They fear deportation and help their families whether here or back home,something many Americans who are self absorbed don't do.You need to walk a mile in their shoes.Don't be a racist.

This guy is just some red neck racist hick who some how found his way on to the Internet. Just ignore him and he will get board and go back to sleeping with his cousin.

Love the response...

Yes. They are dying via their own ignorance. It was kind of someone to alleviate them from their own created downfall. He should be appreciated for his efforts. And he should have been less hostile while defending them.

Read my responce.My husband was robbed and nearly killed while suffering impoverished conditions.His brother at 13 had his bike stolen at gunpoint.There are people being murdered there by gang and police violence. Parents sometimes sell their teenage daughters for livestock as they are so poor.Young girls are forced to prostitute.Do some research.Could you survive on $10 a day?

Trolling is not telling the truth.People who turn the other cheek and call names to honesty are the real Trolls.

Mexico IS a war torn country.

ciarabriana, all those conditions u mentioned exist here in america too, except maybe for the $10 a day thing.here u will get mugged at gunpoint too, and just to let you know the medium age of girls who start prostitution here in america is 14. yea i understand mexico conditions are hardER, but you make it sound as if america is trouble free when we all know otherwise. btw im all in support of legalizing all illegals and tighter and stricter border control.

Then what is that to say for the people who take the trouble to go through the process of becoming a legal immigrant? You don't know specifically the illegal immigrants were going to die specifically because they don't have conveniently planted water jugs across their paths. And by break, do you mean exploit their labor and allow a good percentage of them to cause crimes in our country only to be deported back to theirs so they hop back over and do it again?

Now, see if you can hold your breath until you get your way.

Was I complaining?

ah spoken like a true Buddah... compassionate to the end right? wow

I have no compassion for ignorance and stupidity. You reap what you sow.

If I consider the fine to be theft why should I pay it? Henry David Thoreau refused to pay taxes to a government that supported slavery and went to jail for it. Do you think he was ignorant, or was he standing up for his principles?

Thoreau stood up for his principles and followed with the consequences, he didn't complain either, he knew what he was doing and getting himself into. This guy is not the same, he pushed his luck and didn't acknowledge and dislikes the consequences, I have no sympathies. What did he really expect? You can do whatever you want, but there are consequences. Don't like it? Go do something about it.

leave even more jugs.

this is a sight for people to speak there minds,wheter they be liberal minds or conservative minds or even(gasp)OPEN minds.people have the right to say there standpoint.

Weren't the nations of Native Americans "sovereign"?

careful dawg...DCUISINOT will censor you shortly.

Even if the laws broken include rape, drugs, murder...? Nicely phrased.

Dillusional and not statistical.Do you seriously believe that these immigrants are rapists,etc.?Most ones I've seen in jails and court are there for either being too drunk or driving W/O a licence.Do the homework.

Delusional and not statistical? I'm sorry, what relevance does that have to my criticism? I believe the original poster said "I would rather violate all of the laws in the world to save a fellow human being from dying", and I rebutted with "Even if the laws (that he would violate) included rape, drugs, murder...?"

But let's take the focus to you. "All the ones I've seen." That's great, but you don't speak for a whole population. And I did do the homework. Refer to my reply to your post above where you elaborate about your husband.

Thank you for sharing your truth. My grandparents were immigrants, and they worked very hard to survive and raise their sons. If they had not sacrificed, I could never have afforded this computer I am using.

Another thing; every time I eat fresh fruit or vegetables, I thank God for immigrants who do the hard labor so that I might have a healthy life. Denying water to another human being is not only against Christ's teaching, it is morally wrong in any religion. Making compassion a crime is a stupid and sad commentary on how some people think.

I hope you and your family endure and prosper. We need good Americans like you to make our country strong.

Thank You.I hope we as a country can get past ethnicity as we supposedly the "Melting Pot".My grandmother was 100% Spanish and my family immigrated from there.My other Grandmother was 100% Indian.Everyone's family was an immigrant at one time as this land became occupied.People need to stop seeing races and see the heart.

Look the trials and tribulations that your hubby has gone through are not special..it even happens here, thanks to the efforts of the ones who were here before us and us as well we do not have prolific problems like in mexico.I have been in situations with guns and real violence and not stories that people have told me. I'm all for people coming here and making the best of their lives but you better get your priorities straight, not cross the border and live the same life you lived. Progression is key to bettering your family. My father came from the phillipines and my mothers family is three generations from italy, both had no problem learning english before they came here and were well prepared to hit the ground running when they got here with their own businesses. I don't need research because I have lived it in this country and my family has lived it on both sides.

Well from what I hear they give money to people from certain countries to start buisnesses.That is more than they do for me and I am American.

As much as I wish it were so, not all illegal immigrants are law-abiding responsible adults riding on bicycles. I'm sorry, but your story doesn't make me feel any empathy for you because I've seen the complete opposite side. Illegal immigrants cause a lot of crime to the U.S., most cases are rape, murder, or hard drug trafficking. And what do we do? Deport them back to their country just for them to come back up and do it again. I'm not against immigrants who go through the proper way, but I am against illegal immigrants. What's that to say for all the people who worked so hard to go through the normal process when somebody just cheats their way to the front, not pay taxes, and is told that he should be granted automatic citizenship? If their home country is that bad, then they as humans should have the power and right to a revolution. And a lot of people say that their life is so much better "picking fruit" and "working in sweatshops" when that is just as bad as denying them citizenship. You guys are going to argue about human rights when you're going to let them be exploited for their labor? It's just a bunch of tripe to me.

I am not seeking Empathy only the truth of what I know through experience.The rapists,etc. you speak of never lived near me and I lived in Long Beach,Ca for a few years.The criminals I saw there were born here and not the Immigrants that are supporting their loved ones.You are mistaken and statistics show this.You are what drives the continued hate and prejiduce.My story is one of many struggling to keep FAMILY together.My husband does not live on the system and he pays taxes that he never gets back.I do care because our beautiful children deserve the right to have their father, Mexican or not.He is who I fell in love with and he works harder than most men I've seen that are born here.These people deserve humanity.

I am in no way speaking against your husband, I am sure that he is an admirable and respectable person. The fact I am stressing is that not every illegal is identical to your spouse.

You say "Statistics prove this" What statistics? A citation is needed. Please show methodogical evidence rather than fringe research and hearsay.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/nifcjs.pdf

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml

"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings".

By stating this, what makes it apparent that I have prejuidice and hatred? Everything I have been stated are the cold, hard facts. I'm not against immigrants, I'm against unspeculated illegal immigration - and for good reasons.
For most people to get a "green card," they have to go through a medical review and screening to determine possible diseases and prevent epidemics. With illegals, this does not happen:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-693.pdf

Between 1980 and 2000, there is evidence of wage depression resulting from illegal immigration - 3.7% of loss. Mainly because they do not get paid the same as us and companies take advantage of this. If the loss were to be any bit more drastic, poverty levels will shoot and more than likely a famine will occur.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back504.html

(Scroll down to Figure 2)

So next time before you decide what would be the short-term humanitarian thing, think about the long-term humanitarian effects it will cause amongst other people as well.

Your response.

The criminals are the ones sneaking across the border.

just to let u know occhipij, immigration laws have changed over the last couple hundred years. if it was as easy for these guys to come here as it was for ur ancestors, trust me they would not risk death trying to cross the desert.

Are you serious? I'm just curious to see what relevancy does illegal immigration policies have to racism, bigotry, or xenophobia for that matter. Do you even know the definitions for those words? Hence the term "illegal," meaning there's a legal way to do that.
And I'm pretty sure that they'll just be flattered to be showered by your kindness of saying they should just be paid a few bucks picking fruit or "working in some sweat shop." Don't speak unless you've taken some History, Economics, and Ethics classes.

thirdparty you need some ethics classes if you do not see the problem in denying human beings water.

If you scroll back up and read my post, you will clearly see that there is no mention of the water jug story or my stance on it. I was just curious to see the logic behind your accusations that immigration policies are tied in with racism, hate, and bigotry. I was even more curious to see you give an explaination on your assumption that giving them a better life is synonymous with "picking some vegetables" or "working in a sweatshop." You basically want to give them the same jobs that is one of the primary reasons they're escaping Mexico in the first place?
Your thoughts.

i don't think it's a matter of bias, clitav. Everyone should see this as someone trying to help others. But lets think for a second, how would the reactions be different if it happened near the Canadian border?

at the canadian border, the jugs of water would have froze.

@ Found_Avenue

Froze? You mean at the border with British Columbia who has been having record high temperatures all summer, or in Ottawa, where, despite having the crappiest summer ever, still averages 25 degrees Celsius on most days?

Sorry, I know you were probably poking fun, it's just one issue that I find a LOT of Americans are ignroant about. Once during high school, I went down with a school group for a competition in Seattle. We won, and the MC while introducing us to the rest of the groups asked us if we were finding it hot. My teacher looked puzzled as we were merely from a town near Vancouver, and said no. The MC asked, well isn't it quite a bit colder up there? My teacher replied, "Well no, it's about the same, sometimes hotter [because my town is an hour inland from Vancouver]". The MC looked genuinely surprised, as if the border somehow magically and drastically would cause a huge contrast in weather between two places only 2 hours apart.

And that's not the only time I've been asked about the weather by Americans while visiting the U.S. lol It's not a particularly important issue, it's just more amazing to me how persistent a misconception it is. It usually makes me chuckle, but at the same time it irks me. Like, you know the majority of the population in Canada lives within an hour or two of the U.S.-Canada border? * But like I said, you were probably just poking fun so I'll stop harrassing you now. lol

I've been to Toronto and it's awesome there. But I got to school near Albany so I understand why people ask if it gets cold. I think is merely poking fun (like asking a person from Mexico if it's cold here.)

Back to the issue: Serious Ouch. But you can't just 'tear down a border'. That wouldn't work out to well.

a good friend of mine is canadian and she has some funny/sad stories of people asking her is she lived in an igloo, and whether people kept polar bears as pets.

Blue_blooded,
I live in Florida. Just last week my grandma asked me about my pet alligator that lives in my pool.

The ignorance of some people astounds me.