Animals are NOT created for your disposal!
source: http://ecofuture.net/osquee/2009/08/02/animals-are-not-created-for-your-disposal/
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When John Locke theoretized natural rights entitled to men, he meant white, European, male persons with property. Avarage life expectancy of a slave was five years, and women were -as now the animals are- treated as mere commodities. The idea that women, the elderly, the disabled and the people of color also have right to life was a revolution and a major shift in conceptualization of the universe.
Animals also have rights to life, quality life in their natural settings. However, the imagination of the man and his environment is so rigid and asserts itself so many areas of life that we can not understand that animals are not made of meat, but we turn them into Adana Kebabs. We ignore the fact that serious harm is inflicted on innocent creatures for motives such as appatite, taste or convenience. Although the facts reveal that vegetarians tend to live much longer than meat eaters, we hide behind the ambush of pseudo science. We stop driving cars in order to reduce GHG emissions, but eat beef at lunch the processing of which cause more emission. Every child cries when “their” lamb is sacrificed, but we teach them to enjoy its roast. Contradictions can be numbered… all in all we are shaped by intrinsicly “masculin” motives to capture, harm, dominate, kill and possess.
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ayashe
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I love animals, and I care more about them than I do humans, but that's still not going to make me become a vegetarian. I would like all animals to be treated well, whether raised for consumption or not. But harassing people who aren't vegetarian and treating them like they're evil is a very PETA thing to do, and everyone should know by now that while they might be "vegetarians" that doesn't mean they actually care about animals or their well-being.
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ayashe
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ayashe:
Nope, if you read what was actually written [it's still there, in English], she's the kind of person who would prosecute anyone abusing the pig on her plate.
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ecofuture
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Thank you very much for all the comments.
One thing that surprising me how an argument against gets you defend your diet with a very aggressive tone.
There is a whole discipline called ethics and vegetarianism is a major topic of it. And that was my point, evolution/naturalism/health are apart from my discussion ground in this article. I argue that it is unethical.
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no harm principle for the members of moral community (Kant)
inclusion to the moral community based on the fact that one can suffer (Singer)
The animal has feelings. It is motivated to experience pleasure, enjoys the life and fears death. When witnessed each other's butchering, understands who is the butcher and tries to escape. (...)
Thus, a part of moral community.
We ought not harm.Singer already agrees, and I concur, that humans can eat animals (or other humans) in extreme conditions of hunger.
Lastly, I understand that some may find it tasty and the taste of food may be way too important for them, so they can't give up and feel offended. I'd ask you not to take my comments personal, try to distance from your practices and judge afterwards.
After all, there may also be people who finds human flesh "delicious". Would you buy it when he says "Why are you so delicious then?" before cutting your head off.
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ecofuture
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Saladin
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Oh man, vegans are forming their own religion.
First off, animals aren't "created" at all. Herp derp. They propagate themselves.
And as much as you'd loooove to pretend that humans are somehow vegans biologically, they're not. If we were herbivores, we wouldn't be able to digest meat.
Now if you wanna change yourself, that's fine. But the great apes have been eating meat, and even each other, for as long as they've existed. The facts are against you.
Veganism is a choice, not a fundamental truth.
I kill animals and I eat them, and I have no qualms about this. You do, and that's the end of the line.
If you want people to join your movement, try talking to them instead of throwing poo at them.
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Saladin
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Ricky84
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Saladin:
Oh wow the righteous will never accept that argument. By their count Homo sapiens were originally herbivores and somehow we developed the physiology of an omnivore even though as a species we are only like 200,000 years old. How else do they justify the ridiculous claim that eating veg or vegan is better than eating a healthy well balanced diet?
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Ricky84
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lu7cky
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meat is murder...delicious murder
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lu7cky
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pandapaws
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animals eat other animals. its totally natural. do we eat too much meat? yes.
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pandapaws
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I would highly recommend this story.
http://current.com/items/88908066_sugar-is-the-heroin-of-the-masses-advice-on-ho...
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Well as far as I'm concerned, if something you eat has to sit and rot in your intestines for 3 weeks in order to be digested...I will pass.
Doesn't exactly sound like something the human body was meant to eat.I mean, don't get me wrong. Evolution is a great thing. At one point in human history it was hard to find food that we gathered as we moved along. So we used our smarts and ate animals. But humans sure are creatures of habit.
Now, we don't exactly have the problem of finding produce in this day and age.
Plus it's healthier and more eco friendly.
I've been vegan for almost 2 months now and I have never felt better.
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Mind_wide_open
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fdsooner
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If you dudes eat all the plants what are the animals gonna eat? So basically you can either kill both plants and animals...or be like me and eat animals and save the plants!
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fdsooner
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msumonica
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you should find out what's in those steaks and how much it's costing you in scarce natural resources and human rights, you might be thinking about those things a bit differently
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msumonica
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msumonica:
Mine live primarily on grass, are raised humanely, and have squat to do with human rights of any kind.
And they taste great.
On the other hand, the farming practices involved in keeping the shelves stocked with vegetables without regard for season leave more than a little to be desired.
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msumonica:
No, I let them what know how take care of looking after, killing and butchering my meat.
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ProjectBat
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Lol what about the plants man, they have a right to grow too!
Please. Animals are animals and we can do with them as we will. What's wrong with eating a steak? Nothing, that cow probably wouldn't have even been born had it not been for the farmers taking the time to raise them. It helps their numbers aye...we're just trying to make sure they survive.
If you want to be a vegetarian, please go right ahead, good for you...but don't act like it's a crime to eat meat.
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ProjectBat
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fdsooner
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man i was just thinking about that free 72 oz steak down in texas...it wouldn't sound as appealing if it was a free 72 oz carrot...unless you are a rabbit...(if you happen to be a rabbit and you are reading this...I lost your foot along time ago...get off my back!)
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fdsooner
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Leonidis
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I quit eating meat and dairy products now for 7 wks. At first I was worried that I wouldn't get enough protein, cutting out chicken, fish, red meat and cheese. The fact is that we really don't need that much protein in our diet, 20 to 50 grams a day is enough even for people who train and go to the gym like I do.Beans are an excellent source of protein.
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Leonidis
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chasingame
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I would agree that animals were not "created" for us. That was more of an evolution thing. We evolved to eat some animals and some animals evolved to eat us. Fortunately most of us are smart enough not to play with the lions and tigers and bears. Especially the polar bears...GRRR! That being said most Americans probably do eat too much meat in their diet.
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chasingame
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Ricky84
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it's 9:40 in the morning and I can't stop thinking about steak. Thanks.
BTW medium rare FTW
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Ricky84
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couldntfindausername
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"people consider animals to be actually created for our consumption…"
Almost without exception the animals we eat *were* specifically created, collectively and individually, for our consumption.
Meat animals have been specifically bred to meet tastes and farming practices - you think those are natural, wild cows in the field? These animals exist purely for our consumption - without our desire to eventually eat them they would not exist. Until they are eaten they wander round fields munching grass.
In fact, these animals are oftentimes treated better than much of the human population of the world. Which is why more rational people focus on *human* rights.
Now if you'll excuse me my steak is getting cold.
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bluestranger
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couldntfindausername:
Be careful. The vegans will be on your butt shortly. Please tell me that steak was grilled with mesquite. mmmm.
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bluestranger
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couldntfindausername:
Rubbed down with some cut garlic, pan fried with a little butter to just past rare. Served up with a few roast potatoes to mop up the lovely juices. Mmmmm.
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Karmacowboy
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couldntfindausername:
There is a difference between creation and manipulation. We do not "create" livestock. We manipulate a process that already occurs to fit our desires.
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Ricky84
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couldntfindausername:
So the solution is simple. Just eat Kobi beef. Those tasty bastards are feed only the finest grain, constantly fed beer and receive deep tissue massages. When their final moment comes it’s quick, painless and they never see it coming.
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Ricky84
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couldntfindausername:
Oh dear, someone really needs to pay more attention to proper farming and spend less time swallowing the PETA koolaid.
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couldntfindausername:
The meat tastes better when you remove the hide slowly with a blunted chainsaw, while the cow's still alive with one hoof nailed to the wall using the skeleton of a specially chosen fluffy kitten. For added flavour, cattle should be reared on a diet of seal cubs and Romanian orphan babies. A portion of the proceeds from all meat is then divided between terrorists and child porn barons.
Or at least that's what the daft "veg*n movement" would have people think.
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hammywill
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I agree with vegetarianism, and all scientific studies show that vegetarians live relatively linger and healthier lives. HOWEVER, science also shows that the Human Animal is OMNIVOROUS.
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hammywill
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Tygerian
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hammywill:
I'm not quite sure that science has that settled.
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Tygerian
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hammywill:
@ Tygerian, What do you suppose the reason is behind canine teeth?
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bluestranger
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Karmacowboy
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hammywill:
What about male tits, hair, fingernails, less than 20/20 vision, and the appendix? lol
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hammywill:
Male nipples are formed before the sex of a child is determined. The rest except for poor vision are as natural as canines. I'll let you figure out the poor vision part, KC.
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bluestranger
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hammywill
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hammywill:
Science HAS in fact settled this issue. Humans are Omnivorous. To say that science has not settled this issue is like saying science has not settled the issue of Global Warming.
I am not endorsing or opposing eating meat, I am simply telling you what IS scientific. The difference with humans is we can make the CHOICE. It takes 8 grams of grain to produce 1 gram of beef. This is a waste of resources and the Meat heavy American diet is a part of the problem with the global food shortage.
Don't think that because I point out that human beings are omnivorous means I am not aware with the inherent problems with a heavy meat saturated diet.
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hammywill
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hammywill:
"We have a choice on what to eat, and as you said, veg*nism is very healthy, so what is holding everyone back?"
Meat is tasty, and with few exceptions "veg*ns" are preachy and annoying people who want to impose themselves on others.
I don't think any of my fellow meat eaters in here have any problem with folks deciding not to eat meat, but that accommodation is not reciprocated.
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hammywill:
There's also the fact that being an omnivore doesn't mean you're eating T-bone steaks every day. This whole "All or nothing" attitude that vegans have only serves to push others away from their side.
It's the same thing all die-hards do. You take one step in the right direction but you're not as hardcore as them, so you're destroying the environment, or supporting child labor, or whatever.
The fact is little changes help, and the people who say otherwise just like pretending that they're superior to everyone else.
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ebruce2
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Then why are they so delicious?
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ebruce2
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Karmacowboy
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ebruce2:
Because of your conditioning. If I was to eat meat I would gag because I reconditioned my taste buds/brain.
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Karmacowboy
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idealist
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if you forget your history you have no past and no future.
great article. depressing and true, but a good message to remind people of.
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