Dutch Abortion Ship Under Threat

Once again, passing out condoms encourages promiscuity. We know that the adolescent brain is not developed like the adult brain, and teenagers are much more likely to enagage in risky behavior. Giving out condoms says "I approve of you having sex, and I encourage it" . So lots of kids, being risk takers, don't bother with the condoms. Re: abortion is liberating- I apologize for misleading you- I meant to point out this as a belief of the far left pro abortion crowd- groups like NOW, CFC, etc. Sorry- I didn't mean to pigeonhole anybody..........

What promotes promiscuity is ignorance and horny writers.

Minorities aren't the only ones getting abortion.

Certainly true, but they represent the majority of abortions performed, as well as the targeted "clientele".

do you eat with that mouth

Unclecharlie,

my only suggestion is that you speak to women of color about this before you decide what's really going on. You may find that women of color who are more likely to live in poverty are more likely to require this service because they live in poverty and are unable to raise children. Having the funds to raise a child do make a difference on whether or not you can keep them. And before you say "adopt, adopt" also consider that not all people want to adopt children of color.

And really, if we wanted abortion to stop, why aren't we handing out condoms to anyone and everyone?

It's awell known fact that handing out condoms only encourages promiscuous sex- that is why PP spends wads of money giving out free condoms- for everyone that uses 'em, there's 3 or 4 that don't. The result? An "unplanned pregnancy." As I mentioned, Dr. Alveda King is a good example of a "Poor woman of color" who had an abortion, and saw first hand the callousness and disregard the clinic workers had for their "clients"- the victimization that goes on behind closed doors. If abortion is such a liberating experience, an empowering experience, why do so many women live with shame, anguish, and despair? May I suggest Project Rachel, Silent No More, or Feminists For Life, to read stories of those women of color who regret their abortions

I am not sure how you feel that a coat hanger is the only alternative if abortion is illegal. Explain please...

I think everybody realizes abortion should not be a persons form of birth control. Wait to go Captain obvious.

You are turning this into a male female issue, which it is not. This issue is more a Republican Democrat issue(or maybe Christian non-christian issue). That said, there are many people Dems and Repubs that swing the fence on this issue for one reason or another.

I personally do not see an unborn as a human. If it cannot live on it's own it does not have a right to live seems kind of an obvious statement. I mean by this, that one can not possess the right that one can not take for ones self (in this case life). This is besides the point though.

Anti-abortionists are not inherently against women's rights, any more than feminist inherently make the world a better place for women of all creeds and colors. Both can be bad or good depending on opinion, circumstances, and so forth.

What one fails to realize is that this country is about 60% Christian, so that means there are going to be some serious disagreements about abortion, that however does not mean that people inherently wish to oppress women are that the two are connected in any way.

I have personally noted women as being more sensitive to the issue than most men. In that I mean that most men really do not care about abortion. Where as my personal experience with women has been that they believe women should have the right to choose, but they simultaneously feel that the incident is sad. I find that mentality to be completely insane personally, but other people don't see this issue as black and white as I do. (it should be noted that I only deal with the fringes of society and therefor my basis is skewed).

In the end though it is still completely possible that restricting abortion can be a repressive act, though I do not believe that it is automatically such a thing.

Hmmm. I do not find your argument that just because people are going to do something dangerous, we should make it readily available in order to make sure they don't get hurt doing it. The entire abortion debate isn't about making women safe, it's about what we are aborting.

The language of making women safe is merely a distraction from what we are aborting.

Yes, because god forbid we actually think about the women. We should really think about teh babeez!

God according to some who have an agenda wants women to be subservient to men, who in turn have the right to conrol those women's reproductive rights and control them.

That is what it is about. And anything other than control is just the lie to reinforce the power. Male power over women's bodies.

Good for the Dutch. They are so much civilized that the USA in so many ways.

Making women safe means making them free to choose what happens to their bodies without men telling them what they must do with their bodies.

Haha, so you think opposition to abortion is about trying to keep women subservient? Hardly, in fact, I would find it weird to have an excessive amount of control over my girlfriend or wife.

We have to come to grips with the fact that if what we are aborting is life, all other things are irrelevant. It's about giving that unborn child the FREEDOM to LIVE. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights for everyone to enjoy, not to be done away with because one cannot speak.

I am not an advocate for outlawing Abortion, however Abortion is NOT about personal choice. That is an argument that is not predicated on logic.

I think that even if abortiona are illegal, women will still get them. Illegal abortions are often performed in unsafe conditions. Rather than forcing women down that route, I don't think any country should make abortion a crime or illegal.
That said, I also believe anti-abortion groups have the right to set up their own clinics and centers or whatever they want to try and educate women about alternatives to abortion.
I just think it is naive to believe that just because abortion is illegal, it won't happen.

"opposition to abortion is about trying to keep women subservient"

That you don't see how that is tells very much. Try doing some actual research about women's opinions about abortion first.

What's most telling is that you are controlling your girlfriend by limiting her access to this choice. But you aren't limiting it to her, you would force your decision on all women because it's your own personal moral code. That's called controlling.

"opposition to abortion is about trying to keep women subservient"

That is the most uninformed and idiotic statement I have ever seen. Do you have the capacity for rational thought?

We sail all over the world for unnecessary wars and slaughterd hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraquies who were not terrorists but just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and most anti-choice Americans don't have a problem about that and don't even care.

great response, one of the few times I have seen someone have an their opinion without forcing it on anyone. I am not sure what I feel about the issue, but I agree that fighting hard to do what you feel is right is commendable.

They want to provide a safe environment for the women who are going to have an abortion anyway. Might as well give them something that will keep them safe and alive than hack them up and possibly kill them.