New poll: 77% support "choice" of public option
source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html
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A new study by SurveyUSA puts support for a public option at a robust 77 percent, one percentage point higher than where it stood in June.
But the numbers tell another story, as well.
Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies."
Opponents of the president's agenda jumped on the findings as evidence that backing for the public option was dropping. Proponents responded by arguing that NBC's tinkering with the language of the question (which it had also done in its July survey) had contributed to the drop in favorability for a public plan.
SurveyUSA's poll, which was commissioned by the progressive group MoveOn.org, a proponent of the public plan, gives credence to those critiques. While arguments about what type of language best describe the public option persist --"choice" is considered a trigger word that everyone naturally supports -- it seems clear that the framing of the provision goes a long way toward determining its popularity.
In asking its question SurveyUSA used the same exact words that NBC/Wall Street Journal had used when conducting its June 2009 survey. That one that found 76 percent approval for the public option: "In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance--extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?"
To ensure that its respondent pool was composed of people from similar demographics and political mindsets, SurveyUSA asked respondents a question pulled directly from NBC's August survey. The results were nearly identical.
Read a description of the president's health care plan, 51 percent of Survey USA respondents said they "favored" the approach, while 43 percent opposed it. In the NBC poll, 53 percent of respondents said they favored the president's plan, 43 percent said they opposed it.
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cmdinc
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thank you so much wakeup. it takes some imagination but now i see the relation. i feel the truer number is the point blank question do you agree with it? 51% is a far cry from 77. 51% is a majority though and although i beleive that number is not correct for the purpose of this post i bow to your wisdom and will change my vote down to a vote up.
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cmdinc
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cmdinc
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Thanks for being civil wake up, i was at the right poll then. Now what question # reflects the posts?
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cmdinc
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cmdinc
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you can call me an idiot or a liar, i don't care, but the post question of Huff post is not related to the actual poll. I have been wrong....once....but i was mistaken....
Rather than disparage my interest please refute it. - 2 years ago
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cmdinc
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They keep changing the marketing and language of universal healthcare, healthcare reform, insurance reform, government-run healthcare, choice or no choice. Bottom line, they already have their plan in mind and are just trying to get the polls up before they shove it down our throats and tax the shit out of everyone.
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realitychick:
you're worried about taxes. dude we pay nothing in taxes, unless your rich. Again though most of that is property taxes which goes back into their neighborhoods and schools, giving them the best of everything anyway.
Try living in Norway or France then call me and complain about taxes. - 2 years ago
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RaceBannon
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Huffington Post is fail.
I don't trust them. If they could actually be serious and even headed they might have a chance at being reasonable.
HAHAHA...and to make matters worse they quote Moveon.org.
Good lord...nothing like the Choir backing...well the choir.
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J_Jammer:
Is your problem with Huffington Post or SurveyUSA? Because SurveyUSA took the poll, and Huffington is just reporting it.
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J_Jammer:
What is your problem with Fox News?
I don't really see a difference. They were totally behind Obama when he was running (just like the Daily Show) and they are not trustworthy because of that...they are not trustworthy to have facts or to be even in their reporting.
If I want to know if the minster is a good man I will not ask the choir (Huffington Post and Daily Show) I will ask his neighbors.
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J_Jammer:
Why are you answering my question with a question? I wasn't trying to start a thread comparing Huffington to Fox. I was asking if you had a problem with the message or the messenger?
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WakeUpPeople
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J_Jammer:
Because my question is apt and apparently correct in it's suggestion.
If the messenger is corrupt the message cannot be any better.
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J_Jammer:
Okay, let's get on the same page here. You say that Huffington cannot be trusted because they supported Obama in his campaign, but Fox CAN be trusted because they supported McCain? I am interested in your claim that Huffington does not use facts. I'd like to see some proof to that claim. They have an opinion/blog section, but otherwise they are very accurate with their articles. In this case, they are merely reporting the results of an independent polling organization, so -according to your logic- the polling org is, by default, untrustworthy? Help me out with this. Is that what you are saying?
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J_Jammer:
I have not stated, nor will I, Fox New is trustworthy.
I do not trust someone that will pull polls that support their views over all. Meaning if the polls showed that it was only 35% that wanted it....there would be no story on the Huffington Post.
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WakeUpPeople
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J_Jammer:
Here is the article discussing the August polling. They accurately posted the results of the poll and also mentioned the change in verbiage from June's poll as a possible cause for the sudden and drastic change in public opinion..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/19/pollster-behind-controver_n_263057.html
p.s. - I'm really glad to hear you say that about Fox.
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J_Jammer:
One of the reasons why a poll cannot be totally trusted is how it can change via just one word. People's answers are changed when the question isn't the same even though the subject matter and the intent is.
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J_Jammer:
WakeUpPeople, having a conversation with Jammer is like having a conversation with a dining room table...
Hey JJ, you're wrong.
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J_Jammer:
I think that's an incredibly interesting point as well, one that this article brings to light. Verbiage is very important. That's why it is always important to look at the actual poll to see exactly how the questions were phrased.
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WakeUpPeople
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J_Jammer:
Yeah that is true. Always check the poll.
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The dinning room table comment was stupid when the senator stated it....and it's no better just because you regurgitated it.
If a writer wrote that in a sitcom he/she would have been panned for making such a failed joke.
Oh look...right again. =)
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J_Jammer:
Wrong, JJ.
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lifestudentno83
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J_Jammer:
Always have to be right, apparently.
Now all can see it. =D
Right---person who doesn't have nearly enough stamina to keep doing this.
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J_Jammer:
"If a writer wrote that in a sitcom he/she would have been panned for making such a failed joke."
Oddly, it received wide media coverage. Perhaps its your own sense of humor that is flawed.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/08/barney-franks-dining-room-tabl...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/09/an_interview_with_barney_fra...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/frank.heath.care/index.html
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/247151/august-19-2009/bar...
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/barney-frank-argues...
http://gawker.com/5347135/barney-frank-to-converse-with-really-fabulous-dining-r...
http://www.infowars.com/barney-frank-eugenics-death-panels-and-a-dining-room-tab...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2320327/posts
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/politics/main5251675.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27748.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541167,00.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/08/19/barney-frank-fights-back-at-health-care...
Did I miss any?
I am having a hell of a time finding a publication on the planet that didn't gleefully cover it. I guess you are the only person alive that thought it didn't play well.
Sucks to be you. - 2 years ago
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J_Jammer:
Jammer receiving emergency medical treatment.
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J_Jammer:
You missed the boat of care.
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Prijedor
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If we have a choice the insurance fears they will lose millions of customers so they are doing everything they can to stop it
ORRR
A. They will lose a lot of customers
B. They would have to lower their prices
C. A & B - 2 years ago
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Prijedor
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Duh Supeed!
They focus on a number of people that need it to get you away from finding out how many people would actually choose it because they dont want to pay for insurance...? - 2 years ago
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RaceBannon
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Here, check it yo!
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RaceBannon:
lol. capitalism gets the best of us too
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RaceBannon:
Whaaaat? I got BILLS TO PAY.
You can have your social change and t-shirts too!
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UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE .. for fucks sake people. Seriously this plan sucks stop comprising and accepting the garbage that comes out of this admin.
What happened to the socialist in this country???Public Option sponsored by Insurance Industry = FAIL
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VoyagerFilms
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I support the public option!!!
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MirrorLake
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I don't know. It seems we need 80 out of 100 Americans to agree on this before we're really going to get anywhere.
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WakeUpPeople
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This post is surprising devoid of neo-con retaliation, except for cmdinc who claims that the poll never took place. I hope everybody's okay.
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I am disgusted at these uptight conservative assholes. Seriously, I went to one of those Town Hall meetings like a week or 2 weeks ago, and it was
Pic that I actually took from the meeting, of these douches.
http://twitpic.com/eoasqI shake my head at these misinformed assholes.
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ZeldaMasterZapp:
These people don't give a damn about facts and progress, they just want to make the Dems look bad and gum up the political process so they win the next election.
And the Republicans party members are helping whether they realize it or not.
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ZeldaMasterZapp:
Let's play y'alls game.
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Both of you don't care either.
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ZeldaMasterZapp:
Hey JJ,
you're wrong. - 2 years ago
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the fact that we overwhelming voted in obama and overturned the house and the senate is also a pretty good indicator that we'd like a public option. sitll don't understand why we care what conservatives think, they were routed.
the public option was a campaign promise.
it's not a matter of whether or not to have a public option. it's a matter of the best kind of public option.
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jh64487:
Not overwhelmingly voted in Obama...via Public Opinion.
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jh64487:
so was stopping the war, and not going after people who need medical marijuana....he also said he would talk to the American people about how to help the economy. when he didnt agree with what Americans said, he laughed and has ignored us ever since. He lied about all that stuff ! Now you trust him with your health...not I buddy ! NOT I
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jh64487:
so was stopping the war, and not going after people who need medical marijuana....he also said he would talk to the American people about how to help the economy. when he didnt agree with what Americans said, he laughed and has ignored us ever since. He lied about all that stuff ! Now you trust him with your health...not I buddy ! NOT I
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neocongo
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Go to the link. The poll is there. cmdinc is an idiot or lying.
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neocongo:
i have been called an idiot by better. Went back still don't see the poll. Rather than striking out why don't you try to clarify it.
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@cmdinc
If you click on the link that says "new study by SurveyUSA" it will take you to the poll.
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cmdinc
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I went to the huff post then the link they provided for the poll. There was no such question asked. wtf. Also pollster is a sub of moveon.org. Please.
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cmdinc:
Pollster is not a sub group of moveon.org. The survey was administered by SurveyUSA and was commissioned by moveon.org. They are two completely separate intities.
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cmdinc:
@wakeup,
i have a problem with the poll. please link it direct as the poll i see isn't related to the question shown in the post. If you commision something, usually you get what results you want, that goes for both sides also. - 2 years ago
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cmdinc:
The interesting factor, which I hope we can both agree on, is that when the word "choice" was in the question, people overwhelmingly approved of the public option.
When you commission a poll, it does not mean that the independent pollster fudges the numbers. It means that the commissioner has input on the questions asked of the participants. As you can see in the article:
"In asking its question SurveyUSA used the same exact words that NBC/Wall Street Journal had used when conducting its June 2009 survey."
The difference between the June and August poll was one percentage point. The July poll, however, removed the word choice from their question, and it had a significant negative impact on the results.
I think it is a very interesting set of polls.
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Great!~
Voted up^
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The time is NOW!
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lifestudentno83
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This just in:
100% Of Conservatives Disagree. Because they're permanently lodged between the butt cheeks of Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck.Rush Limbaugh is apparently wedging them out, however it seems he's only pushing them in deeper...
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lifestudentno83:
It has nothing to do with those men, its someones agenda those men just represent it and get paid for it, if one of them dies tomorrow they already would have someone in their seat in a heart beat, then exploit the fucker that died as far as they can
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lifestudentno83:
I like Billy, he is good at what he is doing, he is the only one that actually believes in what he is saying and he should be getting paid a lot more then the movie stars.
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lifestudentno83:
Ah, but there in lies the problem. Bill believes in what he is saying regardless of whether or not what he believes is supported by reality.
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lifestudentno83:
What better actor would you want
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lifestudentno83:
Why do you find Rush so important?
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lifestudentno83:
Because thousands of idiots all across America get their marching orders from him.
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lifestudentno83:
Hey JJ, guess what?
That's right, YOU'RE WRONG! - 2 years ago
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lifestudentno83:
Then he has more support than Obama.
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And I can't be wrong, because the last time you said that you gave up and I won.
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lifestudentno83:
You came here to win at the internet?
You're either a sad little man, or a sad little boy.
If that statement wasn't so pathetic, I would laugh at you.
Instead I pity you, conversing with you is truly worthless.By the way.... YOU'RE WRONG.
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lifestudentno83:
hahaha...says the man that has to say someone is wrong under the guise of thinking it bugs me.
Not nearly as much as it bugs you that you think others believe me to be right.
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lifestudentno83:
J Jammer-- just because people give up on arguing with your blockheaded idiocy doesn't mean you "win."
It just means they have better ways to spend their time than arguing with the equivalent of an angry conservative brick.
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lifestudentno83:
I'll forgive your slowness and chalk it up to you having less brain power than normal folk...so you have my graces this go around.
You're totally ignoring the fact that someone thinks by stating someone is wrong that they are wrong.
Since you are taking so much seriously you'll have to take his comments just as serious...but you're not. Which only means you're getting on to me because you think I'm a conservative....prejudice is pitiful even if it's just political reasons.
Mature better.
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lifestudentno83:
Wow... Look who's Wrong once again...
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I wonder how fox news would word the survey
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theodor:
That is easy...
Do you want government involved in your health care:
A. Not at all
B. Not at all
C. Not at all
or
D. All of the aboveImagine the fun Hannity, O'Reilly, and Beck would have with those results.
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I'm glad the crazies in town halls with guns strapped to their ankles painting hitler mustaches on pictures of Obama arent representative of the majority.
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whatever happened to "universal" health care?
" i want what you get!!"
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there shouldn't even be a debate over this issue, too many Americans have no chance of surviving or getting medical help right now due to pre- existing conditions etc, if we had something more like Canada MORE people would get help and doctors would make MORE money as well, but why would we want to do something like that?? actually help ourselves our, give our citizens a fighting chance...no we wouldn't want to do that would we??
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Do you really think the government cares what you think? if you do then you are either braindead or brainwashed people they don't care what your opinion is and never have!
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galwayman:
then we should make them care
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galwayman:
they care about getting re-elected
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galwayman:
you have an interesting interpretation of gov officials. according to you they are basically an aristocracy that pays no attention to the working man.
and yet...how do you feel about wall-street and ceo's?
I feel like you've misplaced your aggression. the politicians do INDEED respond to their constituents, but they also respond to money. We have to be LOUDER than the money and unfortunately american's are a bunch of fat, lazy, whiners who can't see things through. (and apparently too cynical to even try). looks like the republicans have you locked down dude. and now you're helping them to try and lock down everyone and else. what a pawn.
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galwayman:
And what exactly is your point??? If we elected more GOP members or Libertarian members they would care? Or are you suggesting that no one in the government cares? What do you think we should do about it? Tell me please. I am trying to figure out what your point is here.
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galwayman:
Yes, government cares about what we think.
We need to be less willing to vote for people who don't represent us 100%.
And I don't mean "not voting." I mean voting third party. We need to be ready and willing to vote third party, or the big two will never listen.
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galwayman:
Yes. They like their jobs and they want to keep them. It ends there but that's more than enough.
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Grassely and the others relied on the organizing abilities of big insurance and Limbaugh to get some loud crazies out there so they could say that the public does not want a public option.
What so absurd is that the crazy worker bees who have been indoctrinated with insane fears are the very ones who need dependable insurance as they are not rich enough to reach in their pockets if a claim is denied.
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carmalite:
here's my twiter facebook
pages i put up the names conserva-dems and
there phone numbers so you can call them a demand Health
care reform and i put up some pages from other
websites that should exsplan Health care reform
pages http://twitter.com/Rocco45http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000069901435&ref=name
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macfan