Community | August 22, 2009 | 89 comments

Why women's rights are the cause of our time

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/magazine/23Women-t.html?_r=1

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In the 19th century, the paramount moral challenge was slavery. In the 20th century, it was totalitarianism. In this century, it is the brutality inflicted on so many women and girls around the globe: sex trafficking, acid attacks, bride burnings and mass rape.

Yet if the injustices that women in poor countries suffer are of paramount importance, in an economic and geopolitical sense the opportunity they represent is even greater. “Women hold up half the sky,” in the words of a Chinese saying, yet that’s mostly an aspiration: in a large slice of the world, girls are uneducated and women marginalized, and it’s not an accident that those same countries are disproportionately mired in poverty and riven by fundamentalism and chaos. There’s a growing recognition among everyone from the World Bank to the U.S. military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff to aid organizations like CARE that focusing on women and girls is the most effective way to fight global poverty and extremism. That’s why foreign aid is increasingly directed to women. The world is awakening to a powerful truth: Women and girls aren’t the problem; they’re the solution.

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89 comments // Why women's rights are the cause of our time

  • Fidelbogen
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      Fidelbogen  

    • Quoting from the article:

      “Investment in girls’ education may well be the highest-return investment available in the developing world,” Larry Summers wrote when he was chief economist of the World Bank."

      Alas, luckless Larry! For that is a statement which any feminist ought to love! You'd think so, anyway. . .

      Isn't it ironic, then, how the feminists flayed and barbecued that poor devil? :( Well, they've got one of their own running Harvard now, so I hope they're happy.

      Anyhoo, I couldn't help noticing, elsewhere in the article, those mandatory snippets about worthless, deadbeat, reprobate menfolk. (Racist projections of the Dagwood Bumstead archetype across a diverse spectrum of third-world cultures!)

      But unhappily, there is no way to verify the truth or falsehood of these authoritative-sounding generalizations blanketing half the human race - we are simply requested to take such claims on faith! And from my own observation, plenty of people (including some commenters on this thread) are happy to do do just that.

      One sees a pattern. Here in the West, it was common for many years to propagate sexist libel about "deadbeat dads" and "male violence". And under the covering bombardment of that justificatory subtext, the divorce industry and child-protection racket blossomed, and initiated a wholesale siphoning of wealth from men to women - a process which continues unabated, here in the West, right up to this very minute. And men are STILL being slandered.

      Well, I'm too much of a cynic not to wonder if the same clique is pulling the same trick again, but this time globally. Again, note the pattern: first they badmouth men, then they "empower" women! (Remember, you have no way of knowing if you are being lied to - and these people are a hundred times smarter and slicker than you are!) It happened before; why would it not it happen again? History repeats itself, so, "fool you twice, shame on YOU!"

      Is there any serious reason to believe that the female share of the collective human misery pile is bigger than the male share? I mean, without recourse to histrionic cherry-picking or bias confirmation?

      Atrocities against men don't seem to rate headlines in quite the same way as those against women - I suppose because male suffering hasn't got quite the same inherent melodrama factor as, say, a cruel blade poised against tender womanly flesh. Even organizations such as Amnesty International will repeatedly gloss over or downplay humanitarian violations against men, and boost the ones against women to the top of the list . . .

      Finally, I cannot agree that women's woes are THE paramount moral challenge of the 21st century. Indeed, it is far too early in the century to make such a dizzyingly presumptuous proclamation: we need to wait a bit, say, another 91 years—at which point hindsight might be expected to yield up the mature fruit of its wisdom.

      And for the record, totalitarianism is as big a threat as ever it was - although it might be difficult to comprehend this if it looms from an unanticipated point on the political compass, cloaked by a certain style of rhetoric. ;)

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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    • PANZER BELONGS IN THE CAVE THAT BEAR WAS AT.
      you belong with a man because if there was a woman with you she would prbably kick your ass. I am so glad my Husband is not the neo nut you are. he allows my freedom. Liike most normal men.

      I beleve you probably don't live in th US because men like you are usually in jail. Women have more power than you will ever have.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • I give the girls comments here a "standing Ovumvation".
      ur,...sorry. Again, thinking along GodsnLiberals path:instill fighter mentality. In Afghanistan America should arm the women outright.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  

    • In considering women's rights , why is it so hard for some people to want this for their mothers , sisters and daughters ? To simply be treated with the decency they deserve , is not too much to ask . Such a small thing could transform the world for the better .

    • 2 years ago
  • fountaingoats
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      fountaingoats  

    • Thanks for the terrific post. This was the feature article in this week's New York Times Magazine special issue, Saving the World's Women. I've posted the rest on current.com/feminism, so come check them out and discuss!

    • 2 years ago
  • sergantonio
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      sergantonio  

    • This is a disturbing but at the same time it’s hopeful. The entire human species has a problem with the way we treat the woman of the world even in the U.S. and Europe.
      Too much time has been spent shooting and bombing everything totally ignoring the fact that humans still suffer. Ending tyranny of a government is one thing but like everything else about human nature Change starts at home in third world nations and at home that means helping support, educate and protect woman and teaching both men and woman respect and equality for each other. The First step to solving a problem is admitting we have one now that’s a check so it’s off to step 2 “ solution’s “

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  

    • You do realize that women take up roughly half of the global population, right? They are more likely to be disadvantaged than men worldround as well. They are affected by war, famine, disease. Why not focus on women? Woman isn't a singular exclusive category, and focusing on them will forcibly put focus on all issues affecting all people everywhere.

      You cannot look at women without looking at how poverty affects women, or how disease affects women, or war. And if you look at all these different factors, and improve the situation for women around the world, families will automatically have better lives.

      Fact: how do you get a woman to stop having children? Educate her. How do you bring people out of poverty? Educate/train them. When women are educated, their families and society is better off. This is indisputable.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • div:

      Actually , many do not have a choice of whether to bear children , since rape is used as a terrorist tactic in more and more places . I have always thought birth control should be free globally .

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • div:

      Very true, but for those women who get pregnant only because their husbands refuse to wear a condom.. if they are educated, have their own jobs and income, they have, shall we say, leverage to force their husbands to use condoms. They don't rely on their husbands, and can effectively force them out if they don't cooperate.

    • 2 years ago
  • rickm8
  • clownpuncher
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • I have a feeling that if this discussion is any indication of how the general population feels about this issue, it might take another century for us all to grow up and stop treating each other like dogs.

    • 2 years ago
  • GodsnLiberals
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      GodsnLiberals  
    • Saladin:

      we are trying to stop people who does this to these women ..but some people **cough liberals cough** cannot stand these evil people getting inconvenienced..

      so what can i say..

      so we all sit here around the room crying at each other's shoulder would stop this evil????

      i believe we need to waterboard some fuckers and blackwater some ass to save these people..

    • 2 years ago
  • LEF42
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      LEF42  

    • It is absolutely disgusting to see comments like "Women are so funny with their equal rights bullshit. Truly adorable" about an article that contains stories of two woman being beaten and another forced into sex slavery. It's just vile.

      And it's true, there are many problems currently, so perhaps we shouldn't give women's rights a special title as "THE problem". Still, wanting to secure positive futures for ANYONE seems like common sense to me, women just happen to be a large population that do NOT have this kind of security.

      It's even kind of unfortunate that this article had to present the idea of helping women as an economic benefit. The fact that women are human beings who have basic rights is not motive enough to empower them, first we must prove that they will generate income!

      We can provide women with education and monetary aid, but its going to take a LOT longer for attitudes to change. All over the internet, it's so disheartening to read the comments on any article that mentions gender or feminism.

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • LEF42:

      No kidding, huh? Women, for centuries, had to gain their rights by convincing men it was better for MEN in the long run. Even now, discussion about women's rights are often centered around how it will benefit MEN, as opposed to how women are disadvantaged.

    • 2 years ago
  • calm_incense
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      calm_incense  

    • So, anyone want to take a guess at why the suicide rate for men is higher than that for women in every single country in the world, sometimes by a margin of as much as 600%?

    • 2 years ago
  • S3th
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      S3th  
    • calm_incense:

      Because when men are struck by the realization that their entire gender is responsible for the enslavement, degradation, prostitution, exploitation, rape, and murder of their own sisters, mothers, and daughters, they come to realize the planet is much better off with one less of them...

      Or something like that!

    • 2 years ago
  • calm_incense
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      calm_incense  
    • calm_incense:

      That's a nice bullshit answer, but it's still a bullshit answer.

      You *do* realize that men also suffer enslavement, degradation, exploitation, and murder too, right? Don't forget that the life expectancy of women exceeds that of men in nearly every single country in the world.

      You can say what you want, but the truth is that men are universally killing themselves more and dying earlier.

    • 2 years ago
  • Kymberly_Loyd
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      Kymberly_Loyd  
    • calm_incense:

      Well, no one is forcing men to kill themselves. This article is highlighting the oppression of women's rights as human beings. No one is saying things aren't hard for men. What is being said is that women are being forced to do things against their will and being denied any education. If you believe that men are equally oppressed, maybe you should also highlight how this is so. I'm sure people would listen and respond just as much.

    • 2 years ago
  • rationista
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      rationista  
    • calm_incense:

      While I cannot verify your statistics, it is correct that suicide is more prevalent among men. The reason for this, however, probably has more to do with cognitive differences between men and women.

      Quoting Dr. George E. Murphy, emeritus professor of psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine:

      "Murphy believes women are less inclined to commit suicide because their thinking is more inclusive. While a man might tend to throw aside seemingly peripheral issues to get to the core of a problem, a woman might take more things into account. She may continue to seek input and process problems long after the point where men decide on a course of action.
      'She'll consider not just her feelings but also the feelings of others -- her family, the children, even acquaintances, and how those people will be affected by a decision like suicide,' Murphy says. 'A man is much less likely to take those things into account. He makes his decision, and it's about him, so he doesn't feel the need to share it with anyone else.' "

      Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/11/981112075159.htm

      While you bring up an interesting point, I'm not sure that your argument backs up the notion that men must have it much harder since they tend to commit suicide more often. In poverty-stricken and/or war torn areas life is difficult for everyone. Suffering is felt by all and dealt with differently among different people.

      I'm sure no one is suggesting that we should ignore men's sufferings and focus only on women. However, the argument that the series of NYT articles seems to be making is that the causes of poverty are strongly tied to disparities among men and women in terms of gender equality. If we can mend the disparities we can heal societies.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • div
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      div  
    • calm_incense:

      Did you miss this from the article?

      "Sen noted that in normal circumstances, women live longer than men, and so there are more females than males in much of the world. Yet in places where girls have a deeply unequal status, they vanish. China has 107 males for every 100 females in its overall population (and an even greater disproportion among newborns), and India has 108. The implication of the sex ratios, Sen later found, is that about 107 million females are missing from the globe today."

      "For those women who live, mistreatment is sometimes shockingly brutal. If you’re reading this article, the phrase “gender discrimination” might conjure thoughts of unequal pay, underfinanced sports teams or unwanted touching from a boss. In the developing world, meanwhile, millions of women and girls are actually enslaved."

      "Another huge burden for women in poor countries is maternal mortality, with one woman dying in childbirth around the world every minute."

      "For all of India’s shiny new high-rises, a woman there still has a 1-in-70 lifetime chance of dying in childbirth. In contrast, the lifetime risk in the United States is 1 in 4,800; in Ireland, it is 1 in 47,600. The reason for the gap is not that we don’t know how to save lives of women in poor countries. It’s simply that poor, uneducated women in Africa and Asia have never been a priority either in their own countries or to donor nations."

    • 2 years ago
  • S3th
  • div
  • jade_azul16
  • kewal91
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      kewal91  

    • its mindboggling to me why women take shit form asshole guys...
      i used to live in india... and i have heard of countless stories of abuse and bullshit.. i dont get why women just leave.. or hit them back.. get a knife stab the son of a bitch..

      i come to America.. and i see the same shit.. not physical but more verbal/emotional.. CERTAIN guys are dbags.. and girls seem to flock to them and take their crap..

      and im no trying to turn this in to all guys are assholes and all women are whores type-of-conversation.. thats whhy i used certain...

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • kewal91:

      "i dont get why women just leave.. or hit them back.. get a knife stab the son of a bitch.."

      Then where do they go from there? There just aren't enough support systems for women out there, and society (I'm speaking about India here) is very much against women who "defame" their husband and family. So.. it's a pretty idea, but not plausible for all women, really.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • kewal91:

      I wonder that too . My dad was pretty violent . once when I was 6 mom had a chance to hit him in the head this a cast iron skillet . She was so close . Inches away when she stopped . I actually hated her for not doing it . When I grew up I discovered an interesting thing about myself . I only fight defensively . To my own astonishment , something turns on in my reptilian brain , and turns off just as fast . A group of men can be told to take that hill , and they will try . A female or group (Generalizing here ) will defend something alive , her child , her pet , her sister . Unless she is a freak - they do exist . Can you imagine a group of women taking that hill ? It might be done , but not with any consistency . They would probably do it by stealth than frontal attack .

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • kewal91:

      Yeah, I read this one and wondered how the informal power structure worked in that person's world. In MY world, women who strike back put their children and sometimes even their parents at risk of retailation from the husband/boyfriend/past felon

    • 2 years ago
  • kewal91
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      kewal91  
    • kewal91:

      @artemis 6. i know that feeling.. because our family had a simlar past.. but it ended VERY quickly.. and i am quite thankfull of that..

      @div.. you are right about the society being a pain .. but it seems to be getting a lot better.. indians do tend to come together and figh something rather easily.. but the women do declare any problems.. and things never happen..i just cannot understand why..

      @cztheday.. that may be true.. but think about the adverse effects of the children.. in my case.. my mom stuck with him... and i saw his rage.. and it is manifesting in me.. i am a LOT better at controlling/quenching it but it would have been a lot better without it altogether

    • 2 years ago
  • angryhands
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      angryhands  
    • kewal91:

      seriously, women in detroit, michigan, u.s.a. are forced to go into hiding, because they are hunted by family members, if they leave the culture. this means their brothers and fathers will not just put a bullet in them, but also torture them before killing them. other women are also participating.

      because of my diverse heritage-another of my constitutional rights as an american, and a human being, due to my appearance i am sometimes mistaken as a woman of subjugation, by others.
      but i was raised this way, and i have had to overcome dealing with other peoples stupidity-or just greed.
      i was raised believing the constitution meant ME. and having a very SUPPORTIVE family and friends. something most abused women are systematically isolated from.

    • 2 years ago
  • FireEyedBoy
  • Ares
  • quixotic12
  • artemis6
  • ajiacoysancocho
  • katiekrafka
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      katiekrafka  

    • equality and human rights for all around the world. No more second class citizens. i am glad this issue is starting to be considered important. No it should not be the focus, nothing should be, but it should be up there.

    • 2 years ago
  • rationista
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      rationista  

    • I think the people who are offended that the world should focus on women's rights are sadly missing the point of the article. The plight of women's rights is intricately tied to the overall balance of any society. Suppress any one group of people in favor of another and you will create a socio/economic disparity that is ultimately unhealthy for any society. At its core, the series of articles are really about helping impoverished societies. By educating women and giving them career opportunities (where they previously had little or none) you introduce a whole new group that can contribute to the overall economic health of a community. Stabilizing gender inequalities has a stabilizing effect on the whole community. In other words, help the women and you will help their communities.

    • 2 years ago
  • div
  • S3th
  • angryhands
  • angryhands
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      angryhands  

    • a basis for my first nation traditions, is that women often think first of their children before themselves, and will do some things considered very radical, in mainstream american society. in most world cultures, men take it for granted, we are 'solely' responsible, for our children. i have seen american women take up arms, for the sake of their children, often pregnant women. they say "what world do i want my child born into?" i have also seen women council each other when they find out a woman has been brutalized by a man. part of the responsibility is to teach everyone, by forming an armed mob, of 5 or so, get him drunk,(if that is part of his problem), and beat him so that he will never do that again. no one interupts this. it is our responsibility.
      i've also given driving lessons to women wearing burkas in the yemeni district in hamtramck.
      it's dangerous, but luckily i am an american woman in my own country, and this givs me courage.

    • 2 years ago
  • S3th
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      S3th  
    • angryhands:

      Quick question ah,

      Who is more free, or empowered if you will:

      The woman in the Burka without a drivers license?

      Or...

      The stripper driving down the Sunset strip with her top off?

      Just wondering...

    • 2 years ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • angryhands:

      Well, S3th, that depends on whether or not the stripper chose that lifestyle or not. If that is the lifestyle she chose, then power to her. If she was forced into it out of lack options or because of evil people who put her there, then she is just as put down as women made to wear burkas.

      Equally there are women in burkas who have the choice to not wear them but do. Granted, I highly doubt that there are very many of these women, but power to the ones that do exist. However, not being allowed to drive isn't really justifiable from an egalitarian viewpoint.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • angryhands
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      angryhands  
    • angryhands:

      you are kidding right??
      you are grasping at straws, seeking anything you can to provoke conversation?

      when i was 12, i took my shirt off for about a week, because i, strangely, felt a NEED to PROVE i could do anything a boy could do-if your wondering, i pissed standing up occasionally too.

      seriously, women HERE, in detroit, michigan, of the united states of america!!
      are forced to go into hiding, because they are hunted by family members, if they leave the extreme culture. this means their brothers and fathers will not just put a bullet in them, but also torture them before killing them. other women are also participating.
      and although this happens less often every year, once is too often,
      and any thing that allows these mentalities to continue, is only encouraging them.

    • 2 years ago
  • angryhands
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      angryhands  
    • angryhands:

      are you trying to say if a woman takes off her burka, and learns to drive, she will instantly become a stripper and drive topless , where? down sunset strip? was it?
      got something against california??
      not that she can drive to a better school, have independence, take her kids to th doctors-none of these activities seem important?

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • JaneBond007
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      JaneBond007  

    • "Equal rights among men they said but women always argues that men are created much wiser than women.

      I believed that women are created to help men when their husband are in vain like what in the Bible is being written.

      And women is the cause of many triumph at the back of their men even in their fall down.

      Women act stronger when their husband has no enough strength in fighting and women becomes wiser when their husband is in need help to analyze everything.

      Like a business, women is always in the back of a growing community because of talent and creative work when men do not have enough time to show their true talent and gave enough wiser moves to make a business grow."-Donabell C. De Apera

    • 2 years ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • JaneBond007:

      I'm sorry, but as a woman, I resent the statement that a woman's only role is to be in the background. I think that that is a legitimate choice for a woman to make if that is what she wants, but in the end, if a woman decides to take a role in the foreground rather than play a behind the scenes role, that should be an equally legitimate choice.

    • 2 years ago
  • div
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      div  
    • JaneBond007:

      Jane, I really do find it interesting that you believe women's roles are to help men, and yet your name emulates that of a independent, rule breaking, self sufficient womanizing trained killer. How do those ideals go together?

    • 2 years ago
  • angryhands
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  

    • I think that the struggle for the civil rights of all people is the cause of our time.

      It's not just women. It's nations, ethnicities, genders, and sexual orientations that are creating unrest and inequalities.

      To Quote Samuel Johnson:
      "An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere."

    • 2 years ago
  • GodsnLiberals
  • lifestudentno83
  • RaceBannon
  • GodsnLiberals
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      GodsnLiberals  
    • RaceBannon:

      we are trying to stop people who does this to these women ..but some people **cough liberals cough** cannot stand these evil people getting inconvenienced..

      so what can i say..

      wonder so we all sit here around the room crying at each other's shoulder would stop this evil????

      i mean we would eventually need to fucking waterboard some ass or blackwater some fuckers..really it IS necessary..

    • 2 years ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • RaceBannon:

      Godsnliberals, please explain to me the logic in your statement. I don't see any need for waterboarding or torture in the slightest for this cause to be advanced.

      Liberals are actually at the forefront of this issue, with programs like micro-credit, helping to empower women to start their own businesses in places like India, and programs like Shine a Light (run by World University Service of Canada) that raises money to send flashlights to African women so that after they finish their chores (which the boys of the family are not made to do) and the sun has gone down they too can study for school. None of these programs requires torture in any form, and they all make a positive difference.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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    • Sooner or later the women of the whole world will stand up and get their just deserts. Just like the woman of the Amazon. We will keep men as slaves...I can't wait for the day that women will stand up and say no more!

      Edit to [painzer) Women are slaves you belong in a cave where ever you are and stay there. Women will run this world sooner or later. and when we do We will make sure all men that beleive that way will be the salves/ Whip and chains pay back is a bitch

    • 2 years ago
  • veronaaa
  • Panzer_Tanzler
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • maof4brats:

      Ok everyone, calm down. I think the point is to find balance, and egalitarianism. Revenge is for the immature. Holding on to your anger only causes you any real distress. How about instead, we all work together to make things right?

    • 2 years ago
  • GodsnLiberals
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • maof4brats:

      Some men want to be slaves . That's when it gets creepy . How about staff ? I could use a mechanic , a gardener , security guy , ... Only speaking for myself , guys seem to like to work for me . I am too nice though .

    • 2 years ago
  • angryhands
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      angryhands  
    • maof4brats:

      mr. panzer, are you being paid by current's ad execs to make such stirring comments, cause if you are, would you please do a little research,and get a thesaurus, yer giving me a headache.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  

    • This problem is the key to a host of many others . If mothers can keep their children fed and safe , what would that mean to poverty ? To war ? To slavery ? To terrorism ? It is the unfortunate fact that men are often consumed by war . Women are the civilizing force of humanity . The american west was wild , until women brought their families ... It is too easy to compartmentalize , to think these problems are not related , dependent on each other . Solve this problem , first , then the others will be easier .

    • 2 years ago
  • Alex_French
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      Alex_French  
    • artemis6:

      wow. men are occupied with war? is that ALL men? really? i for one will never engage in such bullshit. most people these days are sick of war. i swear i wish i could understand one word that comes out of any woman's mouth. they sound like they are making sense but when they're done talking i feel smarter and better about myself.

    • 2 years ago
  • GodsnLiberals
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      GodsnLiberals  
    • artemis6:

      are you aware that you are 100% killer..your body is designed to kill..you can educate yourself to control that animal attribute..you can wear clothing..you can hold your peace sign..you can drink your double latter or you can do whatever "pinky out" acitivities you do but deep down inside your an animal capable of killing...

      do please dont fool yourself..the first think you need to understand to better control yourself is to know your capablities..

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • artemis6:

      I said they are consumed by it . Not that they want it , I do not believe they do . It is the rich and powerful that profit from war , no one else . It is men who die and are otherwise destroyed in wars I was referring to . And yes I am well aware of my ability to kill . The human mind is the most dangerous thing on the planet . What do you have in your life that makes you so defensive ?

    • 2 years ago
  • this_time_its_for_real
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      this_time_its_for_real  

    • By bringing women to the forefront of global consciousness we could actually find that their ability to contribute to society might start to balance some of the prevelant aggressive ideals with a compromising optimism for growth and an interest in total humanity in its diversity

    • 2 years ago
  • Alex_French
  • this_time_its_for_real
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      this_time_its_for_real  
    • this_time_its_for_real:

      Not a fan of reading?

      The more minds involved in striving towards global solutions for self-inflicted threats, the more likely we are find that solution.

      Are you a threat? I didn't attack anyone with my statement. I presented a viewpoint to further conversation.

      And that was before the shrooms

    • 2 years ago
  • S3th
  • Alex_French
  • angryhands
  • calm_incense
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      calm_incense  

    • I'm going to have to agree with the stance that there are far too many problems in the world for us to turn a blind eye to half of the entire human population. Of course, this doesn't even include the topic of battling animal abuse, but I digress.

    • 2 years ago
  • veronaaa
  • int_massEntropy
  • Alex_French
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      Alex_French  
    • veronaaa:

      i resent you for thinking that i resent you for having a uterus. talk about dim. the real power belongs to women? to quote bill hicks, "i suggest you take a good look at the world around you and... shut your fucking mouth."

    • 2 years ago
  • Found_Avenue
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • veronaaa:

      I guess I thought she was mostly being tongue-in-cheek about the power of the uterus. Not that a uterus is WITHOUT power, but when I try to think of powerful symbols to run in, say, a powerful advertizing campaign...the thought of using a big, terrifying, awe-inspiring ...uterus??? Warm, fuzzy, nurturing...OK...fear inducing? No.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • veronaaa:

      Ever heard the saying " the hand that rocks the cradle , rules the world " ? I think there is some truth to that . Except , if that hand is in a war torn country with no laws , and no safe place , and all that the previous generation has known before it , is war . Few people who ever lived could maintain sanity in that situation , could be a good enough parent . It reminds me of a story posted here a few months back , about a baby boy who survived a car bombing . His mother shielded him with her body as she burned to death . We can do better by the future generations . We could start with the mothers . In many females there is a strong biological drive to altruism . It is a good place to start . Can you think of a better one ?

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • GodsnLiberals
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      GodsnLiberals  
    • veronaaa:

      maybe the real problem here is the "we are weak" mindset coming from women themselves..

      i has to start somewhere..I am sure those ladies can pick up a gun and pull a trigger just like a man..

      HAVE A FIGHTER MENTALITY..its a start....

    • 2 years ago
  • Theekshani
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      Theekshani  
    • veronaaa:

      fighter mentality, if you read the article, is exactly what keeps men and women oppressed. Militias with guns threaten the lives of everyone around them and these women certainly have no access to guns, much less any money. They need economic empowerment and political rights to rise up.

    • 2 years ago
  • angryhands
  • Alex_French
  • ajiacoysancocho
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      ajiacoysancocho  

    • I'm glad that a problem that hasn't really received much attention is getting it now.

      However, the title made me think.

      Why should we focus on one issue when the world is full of problems? If our time only helps one, the next "time" will help one that has gotten worse because we did not give it attention.

      A thought.

    • 2 years ago
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