Ted Kennedy: 1932-2009

Murder needs no definition, especially from a fucking lawyer type idiot. It's been around long long before your silly ass textbooks. You leave somebody to drown that you could save, then you tell nobody she's down there. That's fucking murder you jackass. You have your head up your ass like most lawyers.

Ha ha ha ha! You are just so FUNNICUS! You can't accept the reality that nobody was murdered and thus nobody was a murderer. Yet you actually DO believe that your goofy little rants could...what? hurt my feelings? Heh. You are throwing a temper tantrum because you aren't getting your way -- and of course you don't have the intellectual capacity to be particularly hurtful anyway. You want to come off as NASTY, carving a big hole in that evildoer Kennedy. But since he was a force for good, not evil, in our society you simply come off as ineffectual and impotent in your incomprehending rage. "Murder needs no definition -- hahahahaha hee hee...I can just see you thinking that was profound! ha ha FUNNY!!!

cz, I love messing with you because you provide so much ammunition for me. So did they teach you that legal defense in law school? That you can accidentally forget to call an ambulance and that's just fine. Did he accidentally not call the police?

He was probably so bombed he forgot she was in the car with him. That's not murder 1. Criminal negligence, manslaughter at the worst. He didn't set out with the intention of taking someone's life. He did wrong. He should have done some jail time. That didn't seem to bother his voters though. To be fair, the president of their state senate was the brother of a bona fide mass murderer, so their standards mightn't be the highest.

You do realize we are a nation of "laws" don't you? Or did you skip that part of grade school before you dropped out?

Thats a laugh, LPD's with "better sense and morals?" ....Bwahahahahahahaa

I am honoring him with the respect he is due.

You know saying the same mindless babble continuously and or loudly doesn't change the fact you really have nothing to say at all. You obviously can't deal with the truth of the matter. You are just exploiting the accident for political partisanship. Your facts are in error, your rhetoric tired and you're just making a fool of yourself at this point.

But by all means continue because as perverse as your rants are on this auspicious occasion I'd be lying if I said they weren't entertaining. We marvel in your ignorance and revel in your poor communication skills. Please continue to perform for us it is a refreshing break from the sadness of the day.

You have no facts, not truth, no reason to be listened to no matter how many times you post it.

Why? Because you cannot afford other people the things in which you want. You want the floor and no one, not even in hell, is going to give it to you.

It would have been wise to wait until Hades has him before you go into this diatribe about why you think you're better than him.

Four days is all you had to be silent.

You had since the 60's to complain about him and his actions and you most likely did, but you can't afford people four days?

That's probably because you need your time to baa like the sheep you claim other people to be. Baa because you have to be vindictive. Baa because you can't give respect when you demand it yourself.

Baa little black sheep because you have no backing. Baa little black sheep----because soon that's all you hear when you debate is yourself...yourself...yourself....

which totally distorts your idea of right.

@ J-jammer, the facts are there, just google "kennedy lobotomy" and educate yourself. Before anyone or their family gets my disrespect, they have to EARN it.

You've earned not to be listened to---and if your cause was at all important as you say...then it would be important to do the best thing to get the most to listen, instead of the worst thing and have all your "important" words fall on deaf ears.

Or in this case...blind eyes.

I understand what kind of person he is, but this isn't about who YOU or anyone else thought he was. This is about giving him respect for a couple days so his family may have their moment and time without it being intruded upon.

ALL this talk about privilege...and yet people who state it's unfair that he got away with something are going to punish the entire family in ways only those who are public, popular and famous get treated...the same privileged you're speaking out against. So if you really believe that he shouldn't have been treated with such high regard ever...then continue believing that by treating him like a normal person. And a normal person who has died you would say NOTHING because you wouldn't know him.

But as with most people who complain about privilege or famous people they don't give them that normalcy they state they should have...they continue to give them what they state they don't deserve. And if one wants to know how social retardeds look....well...that's a good example.

@ J-Jammer,,, then plug your ears and whistle little child.

You've already done that during this and all conversations in this thread...or any about him...

and you expect to be listened to when you can't do the same?

That's beyond wishful thinking.

Have you no respect for the dead? ! ?

Another person invoking the word "Nazi" to try to be overly dramatic to make a point.

I also find it hilarious you are talking about decency in America while defending a man who left a woman to drown after he drove her off a bridge because he was drunk.

Irony anyone?

He's not in the ground. He's not buried. His family deserves....DESERVES....this time. Whether or not you agree doesn't matter because at this point in time ANYONE saying ANYTHING about him before he's in the ground is the villain.

You think he was bad for doing what he did? Well you're bad for doing what you're doing right now.

What is it like 3 days? Four days of silence on this? You people can't wait that long?

Guess your cause is not that important. You can't give some people (including his family) their moment and you expect to be listened to about him and his life and soon to be his politics because the Democrats are using his death to further health care...

You're expecting to be listened to and you can't listen yourself.

That's irony for ya.

Better to kick it and move on than use it as a distraction

Yea-ah

Well put, OMF.

I would absolutely agree that a person's most important possession is the quality of their character. And in the America in which I THOUGHT I grew up, we fervently believed in the power of redemption in the life of of a man or woman -- the idea that whatever our weaknesses or imperfections, we believe that in this country moreso than in perhaps any other we have the ability to find ways of rising above those weaknesses and imperfections.

We can do so because we have been given the incredibly precious gift of freedom. In most other countries a person's future is locked and locked up. Often the result is despair and a hopelessness that one's life can ever get better or that one can ever be "more" than one is right now.

Ted Kennedy stood out among his brothers in large part because of his imperfect humanity. I am not sure how many people under the age of 40 -- maybe even 50 -- can really understand and appreciate just how charismatic John and Bobby were. And their older brother was sometimes said to have outshone the both of them before his own tragic and heroic death.

I never cease to be absolutely blown away by the attitude among a particular spectrum on this site. Given my own political proclivities, I am more than happy to admit to the imperfections of guys like Clinton and Carter and the Kennedys. But how in the WORLD are you able to so isolate yourselves from reality to criticize Ted Kennedy while acting like Nixon or Reagan were pure as the driven snow!!! Ted Kennedy got into a drunken car crash in which a young girl was killed. Don't act like you know the exact circumstances because you don't. I have only been really drunk a few times in my life, but I know that at a certain point, heroic rescues -- and I don't care if she was in 5 INCHES of water-- are no longer within your range of options. Nixon was a serial criminal who betrayed the trust of an entire nation -- and Bush the Lesser was WORSE -- get some perspective, for crying out loud!

Ted Kennedy overcame his imperfections and rose above them the way that others like Newt Gingrich, for example could never hope to do. The pieces of important legislation that have done incredibly good things for millions of Americans and that bear Senator Kennedy's name as sponsor is staggeringly long and truly impressive. This is a guy who could have lived his entire life being driven from country club to country club and from bottle to bottle (there are a lot of guys his age who have a lot LESS money doing exactly that with their lives).

If nothing else, it would be nice to see a little THOUGHTFUL analysis from that crowd on this site. You know, like I think the three best things Kennedy did were X, Y and Z, but in the end they are outweighed by the terrible A, B and C that he did. But how can one respect the opinion of somebody who says that 50 years in the Senate are absolutely meaningless because of Chappaquiddick. Horseshit.

I think respecting him is the right thing to do. I do not think people, at this time, should speak ill of him. Nor do I think people should inflate his accomplishments with terms like good character. Especially when the person they were talking about took it upon himself to assassinate many people's character to just get further into the Political system.

The right way to treat this thread is to show appreciation for him and why YOU appreciated his existence or to pay respect to the family. Stating vile things or outrageously pandering things is unnecessary and only disrespects the person.

I believe that people should be spoke about in truth when they are dead not with fairy tale or nightmarish language.

My point is that there is nothing at all nasty about selling someone what they want. What really is nasty is people who meddle in other's business and flap their gums about things they know nothing about, and judge people they don't know.

Wow, he's being slammed for his fathers bootlegging. Seeing as he was an infant when Volstead was repealed I can see that's constructive criticism. If you go back a few hundred years everyone was making their fortunes doing worse stuff, Slavery, Stealing land from the Indians, screwing over homesteaders, Abusing non union labour(but they were W.A.S.Ps, so thats cool). Plus if you're going to accuse someone of being from a family of drugdealers, at least compare them to one of the really nasty variety (crack, meth, heroin). The prohibition on weed today is about as popular as the one on booze was in the twenties. Seeing as we're making totally relevant attacks on Ted Kennedy's roots. His ancestor Brian Boru killed a load of vikings in the tenth & eleventh century. That's like being Saddam Hussein today. Nice.

cap'n omalley, just what is nasty? Alchohol has killed and ruined ten times more lives than crack meth and heroin combined. Perhaps you just parrot what they tell you huh? face it you don't think for yourself.

So much for heart felt words.

Truth hurts, huh?

His brothers were good people, thats why they died, and he didn't. They tried to get rid of the Federal Reserve and reveal the "secret societies" he mentioned in his speech directly before his assassination by the very people Ted worked with till his death.

The "Lion" was a backstabbing hypocritic bastard.

I dont respect murderers

Or those who sell out their family and destroy a true accomplishment.

What is your problem, you have an OPINION based on conjecture, innuendo, hear-say and rumor. Although some speculation may actually fit the facts no one, NO ONE but Sen Kennedy knew for sure. This is hardly the time to spew mindless accusations. Like it our not what we DO know for sure is the man was a true American hero and part of epic family. His brothers served for the greater good and killed by assassins, his sister dead after championing the disabled and founding the Special Olympics. Their lives dwarf anything you could possibly imagine and all you have to offer is pointless, academic accusations.

Actually he was a murderer, cheat, and a liar. There is no disputing that. There is disputing he is an American hero.

That really says something about our country if 'ole drunk Teddy was a hero. I can think of a few heros and he doesn't even compare.

I really can't wait to see who you consider a hero, this should be most entertaining.

As for your confusion perhaps you aren't familiar with due process or the main tenant of our justice system. You have absolutely no idea what happened in Sen Kennedy's fatal accident yet to proclaim guilt while simultaneously denying the obvious.

Every flag in the nation is at half staff and will remain that way for a period of time. Prominent individuals from the media, government and foreign nations have eulogized Sen Kennedy all singing his praises but YOU of all people have seen through the smoke and found the truth. Does that about sum it all up?

Edward Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne.

Of course his account doesn't add up: an alcoholic philanderer who has a chauffeur with him opts to take a woman to a hotel in the middle of the night, by himself, with out anyone else being told what is going on, he drives her off a bridge to her death, saves himself, leaves her there to die, and doesn't even tell anyone what happened until after the police find her body.

If she really wanted a ride to her hotel as opposed to a ride in a hotel, as Sen. Kennedy claimed, why didn't she take her hotel key? Why didn't any of the chauffeurs at the party take her? Why the secrecy? If he wasn't drunk at the time, why drive off a bridge? Why ignore someone who was a foot away from you to let her die? Why not try to get help? Why not report the accident?

If he weren't a Kennedy, he would have been in jail for manslaughter. Of course, if he weren't a Kennedy, he never would have gotten into Harvard twice after being thrown out for cheating, and never would have been able to take his brother's Senate seat, the chief accomplishment he is celebrated for.

like they glorify Obama

I bet you'd really be much happier without all that hate.

Would you say the family of Mary Jo Kopechne would be happier without hate in their lives or happier with her not 6 feet under while the asshole who did it got off? A corrupt murderous drunk Kennedy is what is/was/always will be wrong with politics.

Do you constantly pay for your wrongs every day? You know the terrible ones you committed out of the public eye when you were a teen or in your early twenties?

If her family is still mad....people should pity them for holding on this long to that.

if he was guilty or not he made a great living amends to the entire world. he was a great man with some flaws like you and i.

That doesn't mean, under ANY circumstances, that it's right to feel bitter. Just as you think it was not right for him to get "special treatment"...it would not be right for someone to think they are entitled to bitterness over a death that happened decades ago.

Anyone holding on that long to such feelings have more wrong with them in their head than is necessary when having such an event occur. Being self abusive like that is not ok and if you think it is...well...that could be the root of many problems.

Clay, you're just bitter (PERIOD)

I think what he meant is that people remain asleep and ignorant in the USA. They will see to it.

"I am free"
"USA is the greatest country on earth"
"God watches over USA"

These are the "dream".... You are free to do as you are told. Love it or go back to your cell-block.