Community | August 29, 2009 | 65 comments

Band shirts hit wrong note with parents

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I guess controversy can even hit my small home town of Sedalia, pop. 25,000. Parents are upset with the idea of evolution. My former civics teacher (now the assistant superintendent) decided to pull the shirts because of complaints from both parents and people at the Missouri State Fair. Pollitt said that the school district is required by law to remain neutral when comes to religion. There are parents on both sides arguing the issues at hand within the article.

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65 comments // Band shirts hit wrong note with parents

  • GoodGodGuy
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      GoodGodGuy  
    • Challenge EVERYTHING. Let god sort it out.
      Or is that Kill them all and etc. I keep getting confused about absolutes and faith in general.

    • 2 years ago
  • Elemental226
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      Elemental226  
    • I really wish it was legal to kill someone for believing in something as evolutionarily backwards as religion, because they do so love to advertise their presence, don't they?

    • 2 years ago
  • Art4artsake
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      Art4artsake  
    • The argument of the superstitious can easily be understood. Remembe, the tendency, that people often fear things they don't understand. Just pole the protesters for their grades in High School Science class. The facts presented by science are obviously too complex for the Hoi polloi to understand.
      Just look at the evidence provided, when the facts outweigh the rhetoric, yet the rumors still persist, i.e.: N.A.S.A.'s Apollo Moon landings, Geocentrism, The Holocaust, to only name a few. Please challenge superstition and ignorance, especially your own.

    • 2 years ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • The fact that stuff like this is still considered controversial is the same reason that we can't cure cancer, we don't have space travel and we will never come up with renewable cheap energy sources. We have to stop letting dumb people make the rules.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • Nocturnus
  • remanns
  • GoodGodGuy
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      GoodGodGuy  
    • Evolution like most theorys is speculation based on fact. Just like Einstein has the theory of energy, it cannot be yet proved. Without absolute proof, science unlike other "faiths" is based on facts and not conjecture. Therefore evolution is still a theory as is E=mc2

    • 2 years ago
  • NeutronActivation
  • chasingame
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      chasingame  
    • It cracks me up that the same people saying that this shirt should not be allowed think it's OK to wear a shirt that says "Islam is of the Devil". I think that the reason these people do not believe in evolution is because they did not evolve. Err... at minimum they fell behind somewhere.

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • Evolution has NOTHING to do with religion. Religious nut jobs keep having a "big to-do" with IT. Can you say "Cletus the slack-jawed yokel"! -heh-

    • 2 years ago
  • bluestranger
  • TrevaDizasta
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      TrevaDizasta  
    • The only reason evolution is label a "theory" and not a fact is the same reason we still use gas powered vehicles. It'd put some whiny idiots out of business because they couldn't...evolve! Gas industry? Change to solar or electric industry. Stubborn religious zealots? Maybe you shouldn't take that philosophy book so damn literally. As Darwin said, "It is not the strongest that survive, but those most resilient to change."

    • 2 years ago
  • nodonjuan
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      nodonjuan  
    • The Homosapien should be going back to being hunched over. That's where the US is headed. More and more, religion is turning this country back into Neanderthals. Pathetic.

    • 2 years ago
  • Anayalator7
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      Anayalator7  
    • Evolution is not a religion. I am Christian myself and I know that. Thats ridiculous. Evolution is a theory about the starting of man. To me its false but that doesnt mean its a religion. Come on now. Why are people so sensitive.?

    • 2 years ago
  • jac1992
  • pjacobs51
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      pjacobs51  
    • My son teaches music, and marching band in Nixa, MO. They always have t-shirts for the theme of their shows. That's the whole point of the shirts, to promote their show.

      A lot of work goes into the production of these music programs.
      These parents should be proud of their kids for being involved. Not raising a stink about the images on the shirts.

    • 2 years ago
  • EmperorThan
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      EmperorThan  
    • OHHHHHH I thought the parents were upset cus it said "Cotton" above evolution. Like, black people picking cotton. or something.

      The reason they were actually upset is just stupid

    • 2 years ago
  • msltj20
  • pandaman2105
  • TrilLogic
  • dooderonomy
  • wayseeker
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      wayseeker  
    • After this publicity think how many of these shirts the band could sale on the Internet. I wonder if some parents would change their minds after the money started rolling in.

    • 2 years ago
  • dooderonomy
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      dooderonomy  
    • the shirt is meant to be a joke. just like the 1000 other times you've seen this graphic, like man evolves into kayaker, man evolves from monkey to pig, man evolves into playing the fucking trumpet. its not to be taken seriously it's just a way to sell t-shirts. i also agree that most people are idiots. especially people that think there is an invisible person watching you all the time, and he really needs your money.

    • 2 years ago
  • oddree
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      oddree  
    • It was a clever design, but had I been involved in making the shirts I think I would have suffered a knee-jerk reaction. Someone should have thought about how this might offend others.

      Of course, I came from a larger liberal town, to a very small conservative town so I am pretty well in tune with how something like this might offend.

    • 2 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • I think with all of the really important things going on in this world that this constant back and forth on Current of late between religion and atheism is getting very stale and redundant. In this case, if you don't like the shirt regardless of what is on it, don't wear it. Religious people are fighting this because they think it depicts evolution... if there were a cross on it atheists would be screaming about that. To those petty people on all sides who have to make everything about either politics or religion: It's a SHIRT. Get over it all of you.

    • 2 years ago
  • lucidstone
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      lucidstone  
    • JanforGore:

      You know Miss "Holier-Than-Thou" . . . . some of us on Current.com very much believe that the source of many many of the world's problems stem from ignorance/superstitions/and plain old stupidity.

      Some of us very much do believe that the constant assault on actual science and the use of logic is just as important as talking about Darfur, Burma, water-shortages, poverty, health care reform, and etc . . . because all of those problems ultimately stem from lack of education and the perpetuation of ignorance (hence why I constantly contradict your "spiritual earth" ideology).

      If you don't like the conversation then don't take part in it, simple enough. But don't have the audacity to think that everyone here is going to share your sense of values and your agenda.

    • 2 years ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • JanforGore:

      Jan, there is more than one topic that catches attention. We have to take on ignorance in all of its many nefarious little narrow minded forms. Monanto is only able to poison people because a vast majority of our population remains ignorant of gmos. We have to fight all of these small battles to win the war on ignorance.

    • 2 years ago
  • Eleganza
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      Eleganza  
    • It is views of middle America like this one that confirms what I have been thinking for some time now. This country is finished, backward superstitious people have through out history been overwhelmed by more technologically advanced civilizations. The civilizations that tried to survive by praying to their Gods and sacrificing animals or people and calling out the witch doctors to cast a spell on the invaders that had machines and sophisticated weaponry always fall.
      We are quickly becoming the people who are rejecting science and returning to the hope that prayers and rituals will keep us in the game...well, it won't.
      China has embraced science and engineering and have hitched their future to it....they graduate engineers at a rate of 20 to 1 compared to us...you do the math.
      While we have the people here who are rallying around a belief in talking snakes and a space god coming back to pull our bacon out of the fire the rest of the world is harnessing the power of the human mind and putting it to use...they will one day sweep our superstitious asses into the dustbin of history.

    • 2 years ago
  • asherp
  • Randy_of_Neuron
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      Randy_of_Neuron  
    • 1. First the shirt looks to be based on a cartoon made by Gary Larson "Far Side" called the modern jazz man.

      2. Dork man says stay neutral on religion? I didn't know the theory of evolution was religion, I always thought it was a science theory or hypothesis at the very least.

      3. I can promise you no a one of the back-woods hill-billy parents have ever held a copy of "Origin of Species" not to mention read it or be able to.

      In a nutshell they are just stupid people. Even if you don't believe in evolution the shirt is funny.

    • 2 years ago
  • asherp
  • DaveyXXXVII
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      DaveyXXXVII  
    • I like that they argued the figures that appear to be evolving on the shirt, holding instruments, is a metaphor for the evolution of music. As opposed to looking at the design as a testament of some kind to evolution in society, and nature.

      In a strange sense, that T-shirt is an art piece in itself. The fact that it's design raised such controversy and forced the school and the people who opposed it, to think. They only thought of how it was wrong and not the significance in the evolution of music as a whole. They didn't bother to view any other possible angles the shirt can be perceived in. In short, the opposition chose not really to think, but to jump to a conclusion that the shirt was wrong.

    • 2 years ago
  • Found_Avenue
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      Found_Avenue  
    • These parents should REALLY go all out, and prevent their children from taking any science classes at all! Yeah! Raise your kids to be non-functioning idiots that can't get into college! Hell yeah! Fuck evolution!

    • 2 years ago
  • CroatianPimp
  • bailey78
  • H3ADLINE
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      H3ADLINE  
    • "Pollitt said that the school district is required by law to remain neutral when comes to religion."

      Non sequitur logic fail.

    • 2 years ago
  • Rorenado
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      Rorenado  
    • H3ADLINE:

      He's always had that problem. I had him for government in middle school. "Republicans believe in safeguarding government and democrats believe in weaking the government's ability to govern." Right... Thanks Mr. Pollitt for your "insight."

    • 2 years ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
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      TheEmpireGuy  
    • I like the idea of staying neutral.

      Whether or not evolution is tied to religion, it is nonetheless a hot topic and debate among many people.

      Public schools should just stay out of it all.

    • 2 years ago
  • H3ADLINE
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • asherp
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      asherp  
    • TheEmpireGuy:

      Yes, public schools should just avoid teaching anything altogether.

      Like math. I don't believe in math, it's against my religion.

      I mean really-- Two? Prove it. I don't even think that's real.

    • 2 years ago
  • eldamon
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      eldamon  
    • I'm thinking CPS should run in and save the children from their mentally challenged parents. How were those idiots ever allowed to reproduce in the first place???

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
  • Numbz
  • CaptainLanguage
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      CaptainLanguage  
    • Though this doesn't sound odd for a small town at all it remains ridiculous. Just another way extremists are trying to eliminate any creative or intelligent thought.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • Carl_Simmons
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • How silly! Not only are public schools secular (as in having a shirt showing monkeys into men isn't illegal), but the shirts weren't endorsing it in any way.

      It was a clever use of words and images. Nothing more nothing less.

      And if parents are still distraught about their kids being "forced" to wear such shirts, oh wait, no one is making them wear them. They can opt to stuff them in their drawers and never see them again or burn them if they wish. If I had been ordered to turn in my shirt I would have fought to keep it.

      Are these shirts going to be on sale? I think it would make an interesting conversation piece and help with their hilarious financial situation.

      P.S. Read some of the comments on the article. People are psychotic when they think people are attacking their way of life.

    • 2 years ago
  • seeker561
  • Bugged_Voter
  • lucidstone
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      lucidstone  
    • Bugged_Voter:

      How?

      Well, we live in a democracy (or sort of) . . . and the stupid and uneducated on average breed faster than the intelligent people.

      There's still hope though for humanity, in 20-50 years I'll expect to see a dramatic rise in the national IQ.

    • 2 years ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • Bugged_Voter:

      Your question is to easy Grass hopper. A bunch of lazy folks didn't get off of their butts and go vote in the school board elections. Now you see why all the teabaggers and right nuts are so worried about local control (states rights). They can't wait to have intelligent taught in the classroom. the younger someone is the more likely indoctrination is to work.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Hmm. From the article:

      “If the shirts had said ‘Brass Resurrections’ and had a picture of Jesus on the cross, we would have done the same thing,” he said.

      “I was disappointed with the image on the shirt.” Melby said. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.”

      “Whatever happened to the separation of church and state,” she said.

      Um...what? As someone already pointed out, evolution is in no way a religion or tied to any religious organization.

      While I shouldn't be surprised by this kind of ignorance, it saddens me very much. American educational systems are far FAR behind in science and this is a perfect example of why.

    • 2 years ago
  • Teknique
  • danitassin
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      danitassin  
    • Thats such small thinking it makes me laugh at how naive and cute it is. This "God" you speak of is sooo much bigger than that. Remember when we all swore that the Earth was flat?! ( I wish "the parents" were smart enough to read this.)

    • 2 years ago
  • BenPerlis
  • Michael_Rodriguez
  • hapa8o8
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      hapa8o8  
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    • yea, I agree with Anonimusketeer...

      It is simply ignorance that is causing this uproar of simpletons and the banning?!? of a science-related article of clothing...

      Amazing... I won't even start to get into how there is so much evidence backing the theory of evolution, because that is simply impertinent when it comes to this issue of ignorance and non-sense.

    • 2 years ago
  • Anonimusketeer
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      Anonimusketeer  
    • Evolution has nothing to do with religion. It's a scientific theory which allows it to be anywhere around a high school. A parent doesn't have to buy or support the shirt, but there's no way they can ban it. That's just as ridiculous as banning books, which is equally idiotic.

    • 2 years ago
  • hollyMiamiFla
  • lucidstone
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      lucidstone  
    • Anonimusketeer:

      Apparently they can, and they did. =/

      So let's see what's next on the chopping block . . . astronomy would be an obvious one to go because some religious views might not agree with the big bang theory and the evolution of solar systems. Or how about lets ban anthropology because it disagrees with creationists over how long humans have been on earth. We could always stop teaching about radioactivity because that reliable little bit of science is used to confirm the age of dinosaur bones, human bones, and even the planet itself (and creationists definitely don't like that).

      Oh, oh, I know! Let's stop teaching the AP physics class quantum mechanics because some religious people might not accept it on the grounds that "God doesn't play dice with the universe."

      If we start giving ground, before you know it we'll be back to arguing over whether or not the earth is the center of the universe . . . (-_-)

    • 2 years ago
  • irtehjoe
  • Kaotik
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