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'We hate the United States': Secessionists rally in Texas

source: http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/secessionists-rally-texas/

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For some folks in Texas, the prospect of a universal health care scheme isn't just cause for protest and debate -- it's reason enough to secede from the United States altogether.

Some 200 people rallied at the State Capitol in Austin on Saturday, a small but vocal crowd that set itself in opposition to pro-health care reform protesters.

Larry Kilgore, a Christian activist that the Texas Observer says has advocated execution for homosexuals, "drew some murmurs of disapproval" when he told the crowd: “I hate that flag up there. ... I hate the United States government. … They’re an evil, corrupt government. They need to go. Sovereignty is not good enough. Secession is what we need!”

“We hate the United States!” he declared later in his address.

Although the Texas independence movement is nothing new, observers say it has been given new life by the debate over health care, which some secessionists see as an attack on the US Constitution, and therefore grounds for abandoning the Union.

But many observers place responsibility for the movement's growth in prominence on Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who in April suggested that the Obama administration's policies may drive Texas to leave the United States.

"If Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that," Brian Beutler at TalkingPointsMemo quoted Perry. "But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
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  • remanns
  • ryankip
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      ryankip  

    • Ok now the key words are "Some folks" that doesn't mean all of Texas. You can stop mass generalizing because the greater majority of us are not for that, i mean come on! I love the state of Texas but don't think it should be its own country.

    • 2 years ago
  • funnicus
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      funnicus [removed]  

    • Hey aren't you complainers the same ones that would bark "love it or leave it"?

      All the while not knowing how stupid you look when you say that to somebody when half the population is on probation or parole, hate it, and are not allowed to leave. The US Government sucks. Everybody knows it. Say it with me... THE US GOVERNMENT SUCKS, THE US GOVERNMENT SUCKS.

      I love my country, some of my favorite people are american idiots.

    • 2 years ago
  • synjun
  • ayashe
  • FallenMorgan
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  

    • to curtisreed that was not for you it was for somebody that was telling me that California used to have the Chinese building the railways. this person was talking about how cali is letting the forest burn that they don't have controled burns. Texas has them.I told him that Texas also used to burn blacks and crosses. It was not to you CR.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  

    • The factors that have driven round 20 states to issue statements of Sovereignty INCLUDE the health care bill, but that is just ONE of MANY complaints. The federal government has been overstepping its constitutional limitations for decades, and is doing so now at an accellerated pace.

      Just like what happened in 1832, with the Nullification Crisis in South Carolina, other states and many people thought the South Carolinians were crazy...at first. After another 30 years of abuses, more states joined in the Confederacy. In all, there were 15 states that joined and attempted to secede. We already have 20 pushing declarations of sovereignty.

      Could that be why the Obama administration is so scared of "right wing terrorists"?
      Is that why the Pentagon has asked for 400,000 troops to add to Northcom and base domestically, violating Possee Comitatus?
      Could that be why they want to be able to shut down the internet if the President declares "an emergency"?

      I dare say that if the government expanded the Patriot Act and began knocking down doors without warrants and carrying off liberal activists and accusing them of treason, you'd have Liberals joining in the call for secession.

      They simply delude themselves by thinking that BHO has arrived to save the day and Liberty has been saved, constitutionality restored.

      Not so, friends. The federal government is increasingly unrestrained and determined to restrict freedoms everywhere.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • curtisreed:

      "Could that be why the Obama administration is so scared of "right wing terrorists"?
      Is that why the Pentagon has asked for 400,000 troops to add to Northcom and base domestically, violating Possee Comitatus?
      Could that be why they want to be able to shut down the internet if the President declares "an emergency"?"

      All fair observations but, where were you when Bush initiated every single one of the policies you listed? Or is it scarier when a black man follows through. I am not a friendd of Obama, in fact I criticized him well before he got elected because he flipped on a big one: FISA.
      However, he is carrying over Bush policies and if you don't like it you should have spoken up when Bush and Cheney created them.

      "Could that be why the Obama administration is so scared of "right wing terrorists"? "
      Who said he is? The study was commisioned by the DHS, Bush's creation. Before Bush there was no DHS. Thank Bush. Before Bush there was no Patriot Act. Thank Bush. before Bush there was no 'legal' spying on every American's phone calls, mail, bank transactions and internet activity. Thank bush.
      If you don't like a black man having all this power, thank Bush.

      You know something? The Federal government, expressly the executive, does have way too much power, far exceeding that laid out in the Constitution. The days of co-equal branches of government are over.
      The reason for that is Bush and Cheney's radical unitary executive theory and a compliant and fearful Congress.
      So in closing, you can thank Bush. And say hi to dick while you are at it.
      So, now you are beginning to appreciate your voting against your own best interests out spite against demon libruls all these years. I hope you enjoy the new police state you are responsible for creating.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
  • J_Jammer
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • maof4brats:

      what's your point, ma of brats?
      I don't know where you live and raise your "brats", but I have no doubt if you remove the mote from your own eye you'll find attrocities in your own state's history. To make such a silly accusation against Texans is pointless and arrogant.

      Injustices committed in the past by people who are no longer alive do not invalidate the opinions of individuals who live in that state today.

      By the way, you say you believe in the "rites of women"? What the hell are those "rites"? Do you mean "rites" like Confirmation? or "Rights" like the freedom of expression? You mean that wymyn have the RIGHT to say any goofy thing that occurs to thym, that sort of thing?

    • 2 years ago
  • trut
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  

    • Texas is the state where the LEAST wildfires happens. What's going on now in California wouldn't happen in Texas. Why? Because Texas has controlled burns.

      California does not.

      Why? For one a blue state and two the crazies who love animals think that the animals would die in the fire. The animals re 5 billion times smarter than the idiots that are staked out in their homes wanting to stay while the fire rages on. Why are they smarter? THEY LEAVE when there's a fire.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
  • J_Jammer
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
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    • J_Jammer:

      It's sad that you allow your anger to control your knowledge of what exists where. Texas is the only state that has so many different land areas. I'll post a geography map to help you next in your education of Texas. I know that it might be necessary, but I would hope by now you'd get that wanting pain and suffering doesn't bode well for how well you are as a person.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
  • trut
  • ImConcerned
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • ImConcerned:

      I spent a several weekends of furlough in El Paso and in 2005 when I was working in Chihuahua MX and found it decent and friendly but I avoided downtown and stuck to the burbs.

      Didn't see any teabaggers or Rebs at the malls or the hotel..

    • 2 years ago
  • trut
  • RFIDemocracy
  • noxidereus
  • samthesixth
  • RFIDemocracy
  • CarlosIsDown
  • oldtea
  • pennyharford
  • Evan_B
  • Mariyoshi
  • ChaseTx
  • MinneapolisMafia
  • Incredulous
  • palooch
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      palooch  

    • Doesn't Texas have oil? We can declare war on them and invade. Oh wait, that was what the previous administration would do.

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
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      carmalite  

    • Texans who are not skinheads or crazy, better hope that if you get a Republican governor its sane smart Kay Bailey HUtchinston and not a nut job like Perry.

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • carmalite:

      Funny you should mention that, because Kay Baily Hutchinson stepped down from the senate specifically to oust Rick Perry. The problem with Perry is that so many people hate him so much that they all kept running against him and defeating each other because they split the vote literally 4 ways... and perry wins by deplorable margins. So Mrs. Hutchinson is running against him the primaries this time, and there will not be a chance the Douche Bag Perry will ever be the governor again... and that makes me smile and feel warm and gooey inside...

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
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      carmalite  

    • kurthsb27

      Its not the American government that is getting richer, but its our parasitic corporations and the upper 2 percent who run them.
      The average CEO is making 300 to 500 times the line worker now. That big tax cut that Bush gave reduced revenues and made the uppper 2 percent lots richer.

    • 2 years ago
  • biggranny
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      biggranny  

    • yup there ya have it. one born every minute and then they go up to become these folks.as a native texan this type of bafoonery is hysterical

    • 2 years ago
  • eldamon
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      eldamon  

    • I want to know where all these fine upstanding Christian country hating Americans were when the previous administration was ACTUALLY taking away their "freedoms"? When they were losing their rights to privacy and due process these idiots were cheering for the person taking them away. When their country was breaking international law, standard rules of engagement , the Geneva Convention treaty and common decency these fools were in lockstep like good little Bush youth.

      Now what has changed to make them hate the very country that they would have shot someone for saying anything close to that less than a year ago? Indeed, what has changed to make them hate what they were so blindly loyal to previously? What freedoms have they actually lost, nare one of them can spell out ONE (1) freedom they have lost that the previous president didn't already take away from them. So what is it? Why are they actually so upset and feel so put upon that they HATE America suddenly? Where did "THEIR" America go and why do they feel that way - I wonder what it could be???

    • 2 years ago
  • remanns
  • danly12321
  • carmalite
  • MinneapolisMafia
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      MinneapolisMafia  

    • Well 'Sara_Hood You must have been a Bush supporter also? Because Obama is continuing the same wars as Bush. The national debt is building. The prisons are filling up. Troops are being killed. Jobs are being lost. People are loosing homes.
      Name calling never helps and you don't have to be stupid to support evil but it helps..... It's sad to see good people being played. Right/left-gay/straight-black/white-male/female.... divide and conquer is a powerful thing. peace love and bunnies

    • 2 years ago
  • imp_print
  • Sara_Hood
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      Sara_Hood  
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    • This makes me sick. I live in Texas, and despite what many of my ignorant statesmen would lead you to believe, am a staunch supporter of Obama and the health industry overhaul. I hope that people don't assume that everyone is Texas is this stupid, intolerant, and rash. Check out my blog for some real TX perspective.

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • Sara_Hood:

      Oh, but they do Sara, I am a Texan with the same views as you, but it seems that no one likes to listen to reason... there have been no more than a dozen people from Texas denounce this... yet they continue to throw around inflamitory comments like they are cute...

      xiola really said it best. "This web site is supposed to be utilized by intelligent, thinking people (I thought). Yet, they see this report about 200 extremists protesting, and they are eager to spew hate. Some of the smartest posters on the site, some are my connections, are doing it. Over and over again... it makes me sad that this community is so full of hate and anger. It's disappointing."

    • 2 years ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Sara_Hood:

      MM what do you really expect after nearly 150 years of nothing but republican bigoted people and ideas flowing out of that state shit it was just a decade ago that some men in your state tied a black man by his neck to the back of the truck and dragged him down the street for some obscene amount of mile s only to dump his lifeless body in the ditch and drive away. that's why the rest of this country hates Texas. if there good people there like you report get your asses down to rallies like this one and tell those assholes to shut the fuck up with there treasonous rhetoric.

    • 2 years ago
  • MinneapolisMafia
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      MinneapolisMafia  

    • cz'y . I am more than ok that you are not picking up what I'm putting down. LOL
      "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind! ~ Dr. Seuss

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  

    • "The last time the states wanted to leave the previous President ignored the problem and it escalated to a Civil War. Lincoln was cleaning up a Democratic mess."

      I majored in American History and spent just about my entire Junior year studying the Civil war and the decade or so on either side of it. Since I have a full day of work ahead of me and since I also know that your are utterly unpersuaded by reasoned argument based on verifiable fact, I won't spend the time and energy explaining why that was just about the most badly distorted view of history I have ever seen in two short sentences. The post is also, of course, utterly irrelevant to the themes being discussed on this thread. Good luck with that whole "credibility" thing, JJ...

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • cztheday:

      Neither do you.

      You can study all your life and still be wrong.

      For someone that wants to stay on "topic"---you sure did take time out of your busy reasonable schedule to post something that did nothing but get this response.

      Hopefully you realize it's best to just keep on going or actually provide something.

      But knowing you it would be too wordy.

    • 2 years ago
  • MinneapolisMafia
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      MinneapolisMafia  

    • Anyone and everyone that supports the wars on drugs and Terror and (Military Commissions Act/Patriot Act) anything that doesn't follow the (pre 1913) US Constitution and Bill of Rights to the letter is an enemy traitor of the once great free Constitutional Republic of the United States.
      "Countless people will hate the New World Order and will die protesting against it." H.G Wells 1938
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the BLOOD of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
      http://dprogram.net/2009/08/30/our-10th-amendment-sovereignty-resolve-will-defea...

    • 2 years ago
  • jon78drummer
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • jon78drummer:

      The same people that post these kinds of articles never seem to post an article that would put Christians in a good light. There are many that do lots of good things. Their charity work is one of the good things that helps millions.

      People tend to like to further their own prejudices to justify their dislikes.

    • 2 years ago
  • jon78drummer
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      jon78drummer  
    • jon78drummer:

      There are a lot of prejudice people out there but I generally blame the people for making crazy comments in the first place. As Christians we should show others Gods love through ourselves. What kind of message dose it send if there are Christians out there saying that we should kill homosexuals and stupid things like that. That statement was not misinturpeted and it wasn't taken out of context, that particular guy is just plain crazy.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • In Austin, the real wonder is that they apparently weren't stoned. (-heh-) Austin has the misfortune of being the states capitol,....If only it could be moved to say,....Waco,...

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • xiola
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      xiola  

    • 200 people? Texas is HUGE. I'm in Texas, and nobody I know feels Texas should secede. Like several others have said on here, these are just a few extremist nutjobs. You'll find those everywhere. Why be so quick to bash the entire state, friends? Rest assured, most Texans have no interest in secession.

    • 2 years ago
  • Revelation_Machine
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      Revelation_Machine  
    • xiola:

      I agree with the rebels but thats fked up, i've seen alot of comments about just letting all of texas rot just because of a few people. If they're that ready and willing to turn their backs on their fellow states then I wouldn't trust being with them anyways.

    • 2 years ago
  • xiola
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      xiola  
    • xiola:

      Yeah. It's just weird to me. This web site is supposed to be utilized by intelligent, thinking people (I thought). Yet, they see this report about 200 extremists protesting, and they are eager to spew hate. Some of the smartest posters on the site, some are my connections, are doing it. Over and over again, it's "Texas wants to leave, we fucking want you out you bastards." LOL. You can quickly tell by the post that "Texas" doesn't want this; this small group of protesters does. So, yeah, I'm being sensitive, (I'm just a sensitive person, anyway) but it makes me sad that this community is so full of hate and anger. It's disappointing.

    • 2 years ago
  • Revelation_Machine
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      Revelation_Machine  

    • As you can see by the comments, everybody wants to fight. They come up with reasons and pick sides, doesn't matter what side your on or what you say your fighting for, you just want to fight. And you justify it to yourselves.

      I want to fight too, but to fight over this? of everything going on you chose this? If you want any claim to being "American" then atleast pretend you live in the "Land of the Free".

      Know and use YOUR Rights. And they are yours, not some little privilege given to you by the all powerful Gov. or Church. Just for the very fact that you EXIST you have your Rights. KNOW THEM.

    • 2 years ago
  • bluoysclt
  • smallgod
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      smallgod  
    • bluoysclt:

      'Merica: Love it or Leave it!

      It's funny how just a few years ago liberals were mocking this same slogan spewed ignorantly by republicans. Just saying, it's interesting how things change.

      Mexico seems more liberal than America with their new drug laws, anyway. Maybe more people should be moving there.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • trut
  • iborovaci
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      iborovaci  

    • please please go,
      so we can build a huge fence and stop you from coming into the US causing job shortage. Later, we could invade you and take your oil as well.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • iborovaci:

      No the United States couldn't.

      Texas is far too loved in the world for that to happen. Everyone loves Texas...even if it is because they think we all own horses...they still love it. They can't say that about America as a whole, but they do about Texas---even though Bush is from here.

    • 2 years ago
  • Maranara
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      Maranara  

    • I totally saw these people! We had no idea what they were protesting because we drove by so quickly. Thankfully my fried didn't listen to me when I told her to honk :p

    • 2 years ago
  • LolaTheCat
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      LolaTheCat  

    • it makes me smile to know how badly what's going on in politics and the government chaps their asses. let them leave so we can stop wasting our time on a bunch of crazies that don't support this country if it's not doing exactly what they want. it seems to me good things are finally happening here, beginning with obama becoming president, and if they leave it would just help to bring the rest of our country together.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • LolaTheCat:

      And people wonder why history repeats itself.

      Some even wonder how the Civil War could start? It starts with comments like yours. It's a good think Abraham Lincoln was not of your mentality or anyone else that has had similar comments. ---house divided against itself will surely fall.

      Neither was Benjamin Franklin when he stated We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

      This mentality that a few people make up the minds of 25 million is retarded. It's also retarded that people can't state things that would fix the situation so they toss up their hands and say oh well. That quit attitude is accepting failure and that's pretty sad in the state the United States is in. Might as well move out of the country and go be a part of an area where quitting is what the oppressors would want.

      So much jaded thinking that begets other jaded thinking and then people wonder why there's so much prejudice and hate.

      It all starts with comments....like ones in this thread or another thread that is dealing with political differences.

      Tolerance just doesn't exist.

    • 2 years ago
  • Revelation_Machine
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • LolaTheCat:

      J_Jammer
      'It all starts with comments....like ones in this thread or another thread that is dealing with political differences. '

      Thanks for clearing that up because I was just now wondering 'where it all starts'.
      See because I thought perhaps comments like this might have been influential:

      "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," Beck said. "I don't know what it is."

      Silly me.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • LolaTheCat:

      That's his show. He can say what he wants and you can shut it off and not listen.

      People are retarded when they start complaining about religious channels and how asinine they are....well don't' watch them. I don't and I know how stupid they are.

      But comments on a forum made by people that claim to be tolerant and liberal and open minded that further prejudices that have no factual backing are guilty of what I said.

      You may disagree with Beck, but he has backing to what he states. Just because you don't like him or how he cries or whatever he does to make you pissy like your cereal has been tampered with doesn't mean he's similar enough to use as an example.

      Use him you're including EVERY single talk show person no matter their political background or level of education. I don't think you want to waste your time using that in comparison with a single comment that you know this person is wrong on.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  

    • This is the effect of the right wing pushing their rhetoric too far on the dumbest of their ilk. Can you blame these people for being stupid? To an extent, but their intellectual disabilities and inability to apply critical thinking skills wouldn't be manifested in this way without all the right wing BS. These secessionists, teabaggers, lifers, deathers -- all these fools -- are too stupid to realize they are nothing but political pawns. Sad, really. TX is never going to secede.

    • 2 years ago
  • Patio_Patty
  • EmperorThan
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  

    • If only California would do this!

      Finally an issue that the far left and the far right can agree on!

      The last time a state wanted to voluntarily leave the union, the President shredded the Constitution to keep the federal system intact.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • samthesixth
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  

    • MM,

      A couple of observations, if I may. I am a fourth-generation Montanan. On occasion, I too have gotten my neck a bit out of joint when my home state is called a "Red State" despite the fact that it is only for the office of PRESIDENT that we rarely seem to produce a majority for the Democrats.

      For whatever reason, the rest of our national office holders as well as our governors and state legislatures are usually Democrats or have Democratic majorities...yet we are still defined as a red state and included in maps of "Dumbfuckistan." BUT 1) nobody who says those things has any personal beef with me (and we have none with you), and 2) Montana really DID cast all those damned votes for Nixon and Reagan and Bushies...I may love my home state and most of the people in it, but I am going to have to go with affectionate disappointment where their judgement resides on that issue.

      Also (and I know you know this already) you might want to create just a BIT more of a perceptual gap between your own value and worth and that of the great big chunk of land that makes up the State of Texas. 300 years ago there was no such thing as Texas and 300, 400 years from now it may not exist, either. It is just a political boundary, after all.

      While I may get more argument on this point among Texans than in most other states, God did NOT look down upon the Earth and annoint the land of Texas. So its oil production is not your PERSONAL oil production -- in other words it seems odd that you might consider it to be a matter of personal pride. Are folks rushing to give you royalties on it? If so, I take that back and wonder if I can be of any professional assistance. Kidding.

      But the same thing applies to agricultural output, number of Miss American final 10s, most super bowl appearances, etc. Fun facts...but are they REALLY points of pride for YOU?

      The analogy that occurs to me immediately is being a fan of professional sports. Like most kids, I suppose, I was fairly rabid in my support of my favorite NFL, NBA and MLB teams, starting when I was about 8 years old. Well, by the time I was 20, I don't think there was a single player from those original teams I rooted for -- and their replacements were all making a million dollars a year -- and yet I would cheer just as hard and argue just as long with anyone who had the audacity to suggest that any one of them was not finest sports franchise in that particular league.

      Then I tiurned 30. Then I turned 40. I have not yet hit 50, but it has not been for a lack of trying. I STILL root for those same teams...but the intensity has been dialled back from maybe a 9 out of 10 to maybe a 2 -- when I am REALLY emotionally involved. After all, having cheered for 40 years, what I have I gained? Do any of the players on any of those teams ever root for me? Of course not.

      In fact, having met more of them over the years, I have come to the conclusion that more often than not the self-focus required to perform at that level doesn't even leave much room for them to cheer for anyone but themselves...including their OWN TEAM. I mean, yeah, they want to win the championship and everything but hey, they might get traded in mid-season or at least in mid-career. Getting too caught up in THAT mentality can make you forget it is a business.

      I have lived in a number of great places...but still like this state best. However, if the REAL love of my live -- my wife -- were to decide that SHE could not be happy anywhere but New Hampshire or someplace. Well, I'd like to think that I could be happy WHEREVER we could make a home together...even if their wheat output is not quite up to Montana's standards ; )

    • 2 years ago
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • cztheday:

      First... Texas was overwhelmingly conservative not that long ago, liberal thinking is a rapidly growing thing here... people like to walk around with their eyes closed and ears covered though, and ignore what they do not want to see... and I am pretty sure the rest of the country is going to have a heart attack the first time Texas goes blue... which will probably happen in the next ten years or so.

      Next, loss of pride/identification is one of the last signs that an empire is collapsing. Someone brought up the Putin projection of the splitting of the country... any idea why he would say that? I know... it is the last blow to a failed republic!!! Rome did it for better governance and representation... what will be our excuse? There is a large historical basis for this being considered the end all of empires, but our history parallels Romes... What ever it may be, it will be the end of our nation... and I will be on the first boat out of the country if there really is a secession...

      So tell me, do you think provoking such acts is a good idea cztheday? Cause it is your fate as well after all... I tried through a means I rarely use to speak the voice of reason to the blind mice on this site... and it appears I have failed again. I have the means to survive, I can only assume through the laws statistics that a majority of the others commenting here do not...

      Take care.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • cztheday:

      Sigh. Mostly I was just trying to extend an olive branch of peace to you MM and to ask you to suspend your anger long enough to see the underlying humor here. Of COURSE I don't want to see Texas secede -- I doubt very much that very many of the others who have taken that position here REALLY want to see that happen either. We are all mostly just reacting to this terribly inappropriate attempt to "extort" or "blackmail" the rest of the country into adopting these people's positions or suffer the consequences of a Texas secession.

      Speaking for myself, at least, I know that I am not reacting to the magnitude of the actual threat. There is not snowball's chance in Houston that Texas will secede during my lifetime. It is just about as totally integrated into the U.S. economy as any state possibly COULD be. Cooler heads would prevail before things got that far and would realize that Texas has almost nothing to gain and virtually everything to lose by taking such an action.

      The people making these threats are brainless, spineless lumps of parasitic protoplasm. They are a teeny, tiny minority of voices in the State of Texas. I gather they come from the kinds of districts that elect them again and again despite the best efforts of the more thoughtful elements in your state to "clean house." Hey, we ALL have our share...you guys just happened to get saddled with a few that are particularly brain dead and yet vocal at the same time. We feel your pain, MM -- but we STILL don't like being blackmailed...nobody does.

      But I WOULD encourage you to consider laughing at your own state once in a while. I had a tough time with that concept for a while...but it really is quite liberating. I hope to be able to always call this place home, but if they ever decide to secede...or turn the place into a George W. Bush theme park (actually Reagan would be more likely), I know that I could part company with them until they regained their senses.

      Sorry if I inadvertently "pushed your buttons." But please also understand that if Montana ever threatened secession, despite my loyalty, I would not blame folks one bit for telling the ungrateful little bastards good riddance...

    • 2 years ago
  • Timothy_Bray
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      Timothy_Bray  

    • The pro-health care reform rally organize by MoveOn that afternoon attracted ten times as many people. These protesters aren't representative.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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    • Timothy_Bray:

      I went to a moveon.org meeting here in Florida and I'd have to say they're definitely scarier than some fervent right wing secessionists. The 'stupid' in the air was so thick it could be cut with a knife.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
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    • Timothy_Bray:

      So you don't have an answer, is what you are saying. You just have a gut feeling that MoveOn are 'evil'.

      Again, wingers don't like MoveOn because wingers lie and MoveOn has the video.

      I invite you to back up your claim or provide a documented instance when MoveOn did something egregious or made a false claim that was left uncorrected if wrong.

      I won't hold my breath.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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    • Timothy_Bray:

      When their critical eye is only on one side...they fail.

      Fox Fails because that's what it does.

      MSNBC fails because that's what they do.

      Huffingtonpost fails because that's what it does.

      You want to be on that list? Then support a group of people that can't seem to see failure in the person they promoted to President.

    • 2 years ago
  • T_Black_
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    • Please Texas, do it. Then maybe the rest of the country will wake up and do the same. I know a lot of people in Tennessee who would be more than happy to come along for the ride. After reading some of the comments posted here I realize how much I would love to not be in the same country as some of you sheep.

    • 2 years ago
  • randallr01
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  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  

    • The ridiculous poor forethought and pure hatred that has come out on this thread makes me rethink my original stance... maybe we should secede...

      Let us review some facts first... all nicely backed up with legitimate references.

      Texas has 5 of the top 25 tonnage ports in the country

      http://www.iwr.usace.army.mil/ndc/wcsc/portton03.htm

      Texas produces more crude oil than any other state in the country, and accounts for more than 1/4 of the US refining capacity. We produce more than a fourth of the countries natural gas, and we are also the leading state in wind energy.

      http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/state_energy_profiles.cfm?sid=TX

      Our states GDP was $1223.5 billion last year... in comparison California which is the highest state GDP was $1846.8 billion. If we were a nation we would be among the largest economies in the world.

      These statistics can also be found at
      http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/

      https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.h...

      Texas has the second highest number of technology companies in the country as well... including some of the largest in the nation... IBM, Dell, Samsung, HP, Texas Instruments, 3com, Nortel, Northrop Grumman Information Technology, Earthlink... and roughly 2500 others of which there are most likely a dozen more very large companies that I am forgetting

      http://www.manta.com/mb_43_G4_44/information_technology/texas

      Our overall agricultural ranking is number 4 in the country
      http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/TX.htm

      In 2007 when the rest of the country was going through mortgage crises' and having 100+% foreclosure increases... Texas had a -4.6% decline in foreclosures...

      Please see page 9 of this state newsletter
      http://cpa.state.tx.us/comptrol/fnotes/fn0812/fn0812.pdf

      So yeah, our state has it all, and would in fact be able to survive on its own if it choose... all of the "don't let the door hit you on the way out," and "we will see if you can survive without us" comments... shove it where the sun don't shine... cause this state is skewing you deplorable averages... we have more people moving here for jobs right now than anywhere else in this country... if you think the state is horrible, do not come here with your poor driving skills and indecipherable bad speech (despite common conseption most Texans do not have twangs nor do they say ya'll).

      You all have accomplished a rare feat, I am pissed off... your lack of education, mundane comments, and outlandish stereotyping has pushed me over the edge.

      So let's secede, and then we can arrest G.W. Bush, and Rick Perry, make them political prisoners and cast them off to the United Safe Haven of States just like Cuba does... and then we can start calling "Yankistan," land of the wanker... like the rest of the world...

      Do any of you fools even realize that nearly half of the voting population of this state is liberal?

      http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#mapPTX

    • 2 years ago
  • T_Black_
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    • MilchMann:

      Thank you. You are one of the first voices of reason I have seen reply to this article so far. I hope Tennessee comes with Texas. Secession is a right passed down by the men who built this country.

    • 2 years ago
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