Community | September 01, 2009 | 565 comments

Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1

Lets first say this, I am an Obama supporter 100%.

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.


The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...




Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."



This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.




So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????




SOURCE: www.opencongress.org...
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565 comments // Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

  • Candy_Evans
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      Candy_Evans  

    • This is not good people do not take the chip at all new this day would come some day it is in the Bible. About the mark and I think it is here and it is scary for what he is wanting us to do may GOD be with you and AMEN....

    • 1 month ago
  • Kathy_Dockett
  • June_Cole
    • +2
      June_Cole  

    • This is the mark of the beast and Obama New Health Care Package needs to be overturned what a horrible piece of crap(if this is true) - he has to be part of this in order to think that the American people are going to take this in stride - A lot of things has been fulfilled but only GOD knows when the end is coming. I won't be a part of something that will send you to Hell - I have Heaven on my mind and I will pray for Obama and his family. We will see come March 2013 if this is a truth or just somebody running their mouth.

    • 4 months ago
  • Curtis_Allgood
    • +1
      Curtis_Allgood  

    • to anyone who does not want to believe in Christ I point you here!
      Matthew 3:12
      His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

      I don't care if you believe or not any more Trolls will be Trolls and eyes sowed shut wont see.....

      as for taking a chip I wont do it for the very reason is marked out plain for me to see in the book of revelations... yes for 2000 years we have preached that a end will come...

      when you see these things know that you are seeing the end times upon you

      at no time in history have these things ever been until now!

      The Knowledge Explosion: Daniel 12:4 prophesies that at the end of the world there will be a great explosion of knowledge. This prophecy has been fulfilled in the century since 1900 AD through modern technology and new ways to send and receive information, such as fax machines and the internet. Of course, such knowledge is dangerous because it hasn't been sought in accordance of God.

      Plague in the Middle East: Zechariah 14:12-15 prophecies that a great plague will strike all those who fought against Jerusalem. This plague will cause flesh to melt away while the victim is still on his feet. The description closely resembles the Ebola virus, though that virus acts more slowly. Other possibilities include the hantavirus, a new virus, or even nuclear war, which would also affect the victims as described and is, of course, an instantaneous death.

      The Rebirth of Israel: Prophecies in Matthew (24:32-4) and Isaiah (66:8-10) state that the nation of Israel must be reborn before the end times are at hand. The United Nations recognized the state of Israel on May 15, 1948. The generation that witnessed the birth of this new nation will not pass away until the end of the age is upon us.

      The Jews Will Return Home: Jeremiah 23:7-8 declares that the Jews will return to Israel from all the places they have been driven before the comes. After Israel's rebirth as a nation, millions of Jews have returned to their homeland to fulfill the prophecy.

      Jerusalem No Longer Under Gentile Rule: Jesus prophesied that Jerusalem would be controlled by Gentiles until the Gentiles' times are fulfilled (Luke 21:24). The Six Day War of 1967 marked the last time that Gentiles were in control of Jerusalem.

      International Instant Communication: Revelation 11:3, 7-10 prophecies that two prophets will be killed by the beast of the bottomless pit. They're bodies will lie out of graves for three-and-a-half days and be seen by the entire world. Instant global communication was not possible even 40 years ago, but today it is possible through television, satellites, the Internet, and wireless communication.

      Days of Deception: The Bible warns, in Matthew 24 and Jeremiah 9:5, that the end days will be marked by an epidemic of deception. The Antichrist and the false prophet will spew lies and the world will believe them. The religious lies of New Age theories and secular lies like "situational ethics" warn us that the foretold days are near.

      Famines and Pestilence: Jesus, in Matthew 24, states that "there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes" in the latter days and that these would be signs of the end of the world. American farmers have the ability to feed the world, yet are paid subsidies not to grow food. AIDS, Ebola, and other viruses are examples of pestilence in the world today, diseases not easily treated or controlled. The signs, as Jesus witnessed, have begun.

      Earthquakes: Earthquakes are the other part of Jesus' prophecy (see previous sign). Over the last few centuries, the number of recorded earthquakes has increased alarmingly. This is not just due to better devices of detection either, earthquakes recorded increased from 2,588 in 1983 to 4,084 in 1992. Larger earthquakes are coming and will announce the end times.

      As in the Days of Noah... Jesus proclaims, in Matthew 24, that the days immediately preceding the Second Coming will be like the days in Genesis prior to the flood. They will be days of extreme wickedness and evil. Headlines every day tell of murders, rapes, assaults, child abuse, etc. Evil abounds in the world much like it did in the time of Noah. This, too, marks the end times.

    • 4 months ago
  • Valora_Lee_Garrett
  • JackReaper13
  • Wend
  • Steven_Rogers
  • Valora_Lee_Garrett
  • Tina_Shore
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      Tina_Shore  

    • John 12:39-40
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

      40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
      Lest they should see with their eyes,
      Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
      So that I should heal them. That is why the one's on this site who do not believe in God, or in his son Jesus, they cannot understand the truth from the word, I'm not talking about the microchip, I'm talking about the one's on this site, who get so upset with the one's such as Bailey' who talk so bad about the one and only true God, because their eye's are blinded. So as Jesus told us to love those who are against us. My eye's were once blinded, but now I see. Non believer's can only see Jesus in us, our actions, and are word's. I'm do not know about this microchip, I know I will not take it, but I know who is in control of all of this. My God is my refuge,is his arm to short for this, i think not!!

    • 6 months ago
  • Lisa_Hopkins
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      Lisa_Hopkins  

    • First of all.....Obama can KEEP his Obamacare and his CHIP! I will NOT place NOTHING under my skin or in my system that is NOT of MY GOD! If God wanted me to have a CHIP, He would have PUT IT THERE when He created me.
      I agree with....
      +3 Amanda_Atkinson

      Well it is like this. There is no way on God's green earth that my family and I will ever have this chip put into our bodies. I was born country/hillbilly and if it means of us going back to the old ways to live, killing for food, raising food, fixing your own meds., burning wood to keep warm and going to the creek for water, then so be it. I would rather live that way than this way. And if it comes down to dropping checkes then I will do it. Money is the root of all evil. But how I see it is that the Bible God's word is being full field. This is what must come, and who does not take the mark of the best shall have ever lasting life in heaven. The ones who does take the mark God help there souls. they shall be casted into the lake of fire, and there to burn for all eternity. This is only the beging of what is yet to come. Lord help us all. If your not right with God and are saved then you better get down and ask the good Lord to save you

    • 6 months ago
  • J_Milli87
    • +1
      J_Milli87  

    • First let me state that I do not like Obama, nor do I care for the Obamacare. I do not support the idea of a public health program like the one described. I am pro healthcare but I do not agree that this is the way to go about doing it. With this being said I feel the need to a) ask a couple of questions and b) clarify some things.

      I have read the bill and academic papers posted about medical device classifications. From what I've been able to ascertain, a class II medical device can be anything from a blood pressure cuff to hospital gowns to bottles to antiserums. Approximately 43% of all medical devices are classified as a class II medical device. I saw no where in that bill where it REQUIRES individuals to have any device implanted before they can receive the public health care plan. This paragraph mentioned here is regulations for the Secretary of health in creating a registry of devices. Which, for all implantable devices, is already in existence. They are talking about consolidating the device registries currently in place. The registries that are currently in place are held by hospitals; a national registry makes it easier to find and track information about the DEVICE. They want information about patient safety such as rejections, side effects, etc. It even says in the paper "3 in a manner and form that protects patient privacy."
      "(D) providing public access to the data and
      2 analysis collected or developed through the registry
      3 in a manner and form that protects patient privacy
      4 and proprietary information and is comprehensive,
      5 useful, and not misleading to patients, physicians,
      6 and scientists."

      Meaning, that they may ask for patient records but before the hospital can release this information (see HIPPA), they must first obtain permission from the patient and/or remove any and all identifying information. For example, a file may state that this catheter (an approved class II device) has been rejected by Patient X (a white male between the ages of 25 & 28) and Patient Y (an African-American female between the ages of 48 & 53). That satisfies the requirement set forth in the bill and protects patient privacy.

      Where in the document does it mention that we are required to get a chip implanted in our bodies? Also, why is there no mention of class III devices, I'd be more worried about them than the class II devices. Yes the FDA may have approved the RFID chip; however, that doesn't mean we have to get it. Also, my other question is where in this document does it stipulate what the devices actually are?

    • 6 months ago
  • Tina_Shore
    • 0
      Tina_Shore  

    • For the group at Snope...".Read and educate yourself"......
      H.R.4872 Reconciliation Act of 2010 (Reported in House - RH)
      http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_hr4872_reported.pdf
      (You will see ' Section 2521 ' starting on page 1013 - 1014) (NOTICE THIS IS A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE SO IT'S LEGIT)

      Wanna know what a Class II device is? FDA put out a document WAY BACK in 2004 (Showing this has been planned even before the Beast Obama got elected).......
      http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Guida...

      Read that 'table of contents' of the document above, right from the FDA themselves. Look at the web address above (FDA.GOV) here is the table of contents.....

      A. BIOCOMPATIBILITY
      B. INFORMATION SECURITY PROCEDURES (DESIGN AND VALIDATION)
      C. SOFTWARE VALIDATION
      D. MIGRATION TESTING OF IMPLANTED TRANSPONDER
      E. PERFORMANCE TESTING OF IMPLANTED TRANSPONDER
      F. PERFORMANCE TESTING OF INSERTER
      G. PERFORMANCE TESTING AND HAZARD ANALYSIS OF ELECTRONIC SCANNER
      H. ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY
      I. ELECTRICAL SAFETY PERFORMANCE TESTING
      J. STERILITY
      K. MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING COMPATIBILITY
      L. LABELING

      So you see ladies and gentlemen, this ISN'T the so called 'pacemakers' the Obama camp is telling you it is saying. No, these are 100% RFID Chips under your skin.

      Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_...

      OBAMA's Health Care Bill H.R.4872 Reads as Followed in Section 2521 (THIS GOES INTO EFFECT March 2013 with a no later than date of December 2017 ! ! ! )
      . (g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the `registry') to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that-- `(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and `(B) is-- `(i) a class III device; or `(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.
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    • 6 months ago
  • Charles_Smith
  • Amanda_Atkinson
    • +3
      Amanda_Atkinson  

    • Well it is like this. There is no way on God's green earth that my family and I will ever have this chip put into our bodies. I was born country/hillbilly and if it means of us going back to the old ways to live, killing for food, raising food, fixing your own meds., burning wood to keep warm and going to the creek for water, then so be it. I would rather live that way than this way. And if it comes down to dropping checkes then I will do it. Money is the root of all evil. But how I see it is that the Bible God's word is being full field. This is what must come, and who does not take the mark of the best shall have ever lasting life in heaven. The ones who does take the mark God help there souls. they shall be casted into the lake of fire, and there to burn for all eternity. This is only the beging of what is yet to come. Lord help us all. If your not right with God and are saved then you better get down and ask the good Lord to save you.

    • 6 months ago
  • byetore
    • -2
      byetore  

    • What I find even more astonishing, is that any sane person would claim to be a "100% Obama supporter". Seriously, are you stoned or is this just jokes?

    • 6 months ago
  • moshiachnow
  • Yuriy_Pono
  • Walter_Copp
    • -2
      Walter_Copp  

    • A hole bunch of religious yelling. I've seen the word 'Bible" a lot and would like to know why it's in the NON-fiction section of the library. "Baptist", Jehovah Witness, Mormon What one do you choose and how do you know if it's the right one.Does "GOD" talk to you if so you can talk to the dead and are belong in a mental hospital. As far as the article goes NOBODY will microchip me or my children and if tried they will meet your "GOD" by my hands !

    • 6 months ago
  • Robert_Gunn
  • Pat_Macken
    • -1
      Pat_Macken  

    • Could you please give the exact title, subtitle and section numbers on this. I can't find anything listed as 'class"...and paragraph number....the page number you referance doesn't work for it in either PDF version I found. It might help to know exactly what PDF version you are using.

    • 6 months ago
  • Daniel_Mayer
  • Rod_Corless
    • 0
      Rod_Corless  

    • I never supported Obama and I've researched this topic a little. I'm calling bull dung, it'll never happen. There are people in our nation mostly conspiracy theorists who believe the implant theory but it's not in the ACA bill. If you know it is in the bill please tell me what page, paragraph it's in and I'll de-bunk at no charge. Although there is text in identifying what a radio frequency chip is and standards. Nothing about application into humans etc.

    • 6 months ago
  • Jus_Katz
    • -1
      Jus_Katz  

    • LMFAO COMICAL.... BECAUSE IF ITS BIBLICAL NOW ITS UR CHANCE TO REFUSE IT..... IT WONT EVER BE PASSED AND NO ONE HAS PUT THE CHIP AGAINST THERE OWN WILL.... PEOPLE BELIEVE EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS LOL SMH....

    • 6 months ago
  • Paula_Magnuson
  • Keith_Lawhorn
  • Teresa_Asman
    • -1
      Teresa_Asman  

    • why do you think they started with our animals. feed people things in small doses and they will accept it. sign of the devil a mark UNDER the skin. has this country fallen in the hands of the anti christ? the world of sheep now guarded by a wolf. those who voted for this person should be so proud. I welcome the end. It will be sad to watch.

    • 6 months ago
  • Susie_Travis
  • Loretta_Watson
    • 0
      Loretta_Watson  

    • How about taking responsibility for your own health and well being. Drugs are not medicine. Drugs are toxic chemicals the body has to work overtime to get rid of. Drugs cause damage and death. Food is our medicine and medicine is our food. Real food comes from grass fed cows and bison, free range correctly fed poultry, cage free is not free range. GMO corn and soy is not correctly fed for animals or humans. Wild caught fish that has fins and scales. Shell fish and fish with skin was never meant to be food. They were created to clean the oceans and lakes. Pigs were never meant to be food. They also were created to clean the earth. Correctly grown produce the world today calls organic. Just as people are being deceived about the truth of God, people are being deceived about the real path to health and well being. As long as Israel obeyed God, He prospered them and protected them.

    • 6 months ago
  • Loretta_Watson
    • 0
      Loretta_Watson  

    • It is written that mankind will come close to annihilating all life from this planet in the last days. King Jesus is returning with power and with glory to rid this world of corrupt governments and false religions. Hold tight to your faith. The world will have changed drastically before that happens. His Kingdom is coming. The seat of His government will be at Jerusalem. Those who overcome sin with repentance and baptism by submersion and obedience to His laws and Holy Days will inherit into that Kingdom. Believe it. It's in your bible.

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
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    • Loretta_Watson:

      it is also writen that women should be left at home to do the work of the woman bet you don't follow that rule do you? it is also writen that if you are wronged you should take an eye for an eye bet you don't do that either as a matter of fact I'm betting you just follow what you see as simple to follow rules because you are just like all the others that cry GOD is watching you.

    • 6 months ago
  • Paula_Magnuson
  • Bobbie_Dingler
  • golding4
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      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      Where is it written that a woman must stay home and work? It's not in the Bible..... As far as an eye for an eye, that's under the old testament, you are trying to quote something out of the Bible and can't quite reach the meaning of what you are reaching for......

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
  • Eva_Purcell
  • Brenda_Wiser
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      Brenda_Wiser  

    • Ill leave u all with this since I just stunmbled on to ur site- obamas health-in the bill subtitle c-11 section 2521 all about the chips its in there- u know theres thousands of pages in there they wont tell u all this why would they!It says it will eventually be MANATORY that all be impklanted with a chip -cheap at first- think of all the money they will make- we are in bad debt now! Start off ony 10 dollars a month for it. Then later all hell breaks loose they want to own u ur a slave to the govt- I love u -I DONT WANT U TO BE DECEIVED- jESUS DIED WE ALL NEED A SAVIOR- iM A SINNER BORN IN SIN wE NEED A SAVIOR- The world is crying for one and they will get it - the anti-christ with a price -ur alligance a mark and your soul!It will seem so sly- so simple -be so normal yet its noted in gods word. tHINK- wHAT WILL IT PROFIT ME IF I GAIN THE WHOlE WORLD BUT LOSE MY SOUL!!!! bE SAVED ASK GOD TO PROVE HIMSELF TO U CAUSE WE ALL DIE-SOONER OR LATER IT SAYS. WHAT PART OF THAT IS UNTRUE-and then it says if we are not believers we face the judgement- in gods love me Why would u not want gods free gift of forgiveness he paid a horrible death for our sins at a cross!

    • 6 months ago
  • eveningstar63
    • +2
      eveningstar63  
    • Brenda_Wiser:

      I agree with you completely. The chip was in the Senate's bill, they "say" it's not in the final version, But they wouldn't lie at all would they??? I'll bet it's in there somewhere hidden. I don't trust a word this man says, We know the end is near and someone has to prepare the way, why not start with this??? The country is already bankrupt, the only way to pay for this massive bill is to raise the debt limit again and borrow more money that can't be paid back. By the time he is done there will be no Country!

    • 6 months ago
  • Paula_Magnuson
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      Paula_Magnuson  
    • Brenda_Wiser:

      people say the government cannot do this! well quess they do not know that their bank accounts and credit can be frozen and blocked til they get the chip!!!!!!!!!! they need to take this seriously! pray that God comes for us soon!!!!!!!!!!

    • 6 months ago
  • Brenda_Wiser
    • +1
      Brenda_Wiser  

    • Oh This will l be started as a gold card . A real simple thing and eventually all will be required to have this done in a hospital. Its very fast implantation very small u wont be able to do much like survive buy or sell unless u have this government new law of the land. Its very subtley introduced not at first cause their are people who will rebel against it and they know that! If u don like that there is another way its an invinsible tatoo on the hand or forehead. Easy!The chip can hold thousands of numerical info on u a on this tracking device-when u are anywhere they know it! sounds like a fable- think again- do some research. People dont get the spiritual aspect of it cause they dont believe or know the bible of god- the true god so they will be deceived! THATS what it says! They are already chipping people in calf. for health etc. My sister said people get chipped so no one steals their purses at the clubs. U just let them scan the chip and u come and go there! I know it sounds crazy but its the age era and tecnology end times we are in.

    • 6 months ago
  • Brenda_Wiser
    • +1
      Brenda_Wiser  

    • Well this is a fulfillment in th holy bible! God said if u take a mark on ur hand or forehead u are in alliance with the new world order and then havesold yourself to satan!Read rev.13 verses16 17 and 18. If u take this mark rev. 14 verses10 and 11 u will have the wrath o f god which is being tormented withFIRE AND BRIMSTONE FOREVER AND EVER IT SAYS! iF UR AN UNBELIEVER U WILL BE UNFORGIVEN FOR THIS ONE! You cant ask fp for forgiveness- it is too late.It says indignation- means god will show NO MERCY cause u took the devils mark! This is now 2012 and this president wants to start this soon. If this werent true but its written in there! Its a very sad day becaue alot of people will run and get this and they dont care its not a joke as u will soon see! Obama wants toimpliment this by 2017 or so since he was re- elected it will start to emerge in 2014. Dont be a fool! U think its a joke but the bible says its to come so dont side with the anti-christ or u lose yoursoul! If u were right there would be no big deal but IF THE BIBLE IS RIGHT U WILL BE TORMETED AND THE SMOKE FROM IT WILL BE FOREVER!!!!! I know its true and I want no par of it. I would be beheaded before Id do this. Better to fear God who has that power to destroy BOTH BODYAND SOUL IN HELL!!Ill be wise!

    • 6 months ago
  • Samantha_Wright_White_Eagle
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      Samantha_Wright_White_Eagle  

    • Down load Obama's health care plan and read under what this ignorant douche is claiming it says. There is in no way the government is going to put a chip inside of you! That would be retarded! Yeah a device but it is a device that keeps track of all your healthcare records electronically. I'm sure it will be much like the Medicare card I have!

    • 6 months ago
  • eveningstar63
  • Marisa_Elskamp
    • +1
      Marisa_Elskamp  

    • As long as you attend Sunday Mass and use the Sacraments of the Church you can use the computer, but Jesus said we are not to take the chip in the head or the hand. The purpose of it anyway is to identify those who are Christians so they can do away with us. Football also would be considered something a person is worshiping if they did not go to Sunday Mass. Going to the Gym working out every day without going to Sunday Mass is an idol. The Bible is the word of God if you don’t believe it you are destined for hell because of your lack of humility, being full of Pride like Satan.

    • 7 months ago
  • Loretta_Watson
    • 0
      Loretta_Watson  
    • Marisa_Elskamp:

      God made the seventh day to be His Sabbath. Sunday is not the seventh day. Constantine changed "the Lord's Day" to be on the first day because he hated the Jews. He was a rank pagan. God hates paganism. The first Christians were Jews. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments". Sin is the transgression of God's laws. No other gods, not graven images or likenesses, no taking His name in vain, remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. These are commandments of God teaching us how to love and worship Him.

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • golding4
    • -1
      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      Your old, set in your ways and as dumb as a rock.......as the Bible says; John 1:1-2
      In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, And the WORD was GOD.
      John1:14 ............And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us............The Father is God, Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and you in no way can understand the trinity (or) Triunity of God.....sorry, you fighting against God this much, my words here won't make a difference but you will remember them when the King of all Kings on the Great White Judgement Seat of Christ says to you.....Oh wicked one, I knew you not, Depart from me.......and you will be cast out of the presents of Almighty God in outer darkness, you will be all alone, you will not party with your friends, your soul, won't sleep, you need a body for that, you won't be able to see, you need eyes for that, you won't be able to feel, you need hands and a body to feel with, you won't hear any thing, you will need ears for that, but you will be able to think, that's all you will do for all eternity and you will go into insanity........but still hope for you as long as you are still breathing, so ask Almighty God for Wisdom and stop being as dump as a rock and give hope to life and live.

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • golding4
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      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      Bailey, those in power, most of them, but not all of them, some of them actually know the Lord...are going to hell right along with all unbelievers like yourself, the Bible doesn't control believers, the love of Christ does and the fellowship of Christ does, of course, your not going to believe me, your just another of the lost and maybe that is why Jesus said.....Who So Ever.....It does separate the sheep from the goats.....I am not going to try to win you to Christ....because....I saw your picture and you are a broken down old man with no real joy in your life except the sin you may call your joy.....Sin is anything that is not in good faith towards God, I know right where you are in life, I did not believe in God either when I was a young man, there was hope for me because I was young with the same kind of feelings you have, and not set in my ways.....I did not turn to His Word the Bible but I remember that I did ask Him to prove He was God and that He was real, I was a pilot in the USN and after some time and so many different ways, God did prove Himself, in unbelievable ways and after a mission, while my aircraft was being re spotted, I just sit there in the cockpit and I surrendered everything to God, my life, my family, my all, and I poured contempt on all my pride and asked Him to give me new life.....I climbed down out of that aircraft not the same person, that was 44 years ago and I have lived in harmony and peace......The Bible was translated from the Greek to English in the 1600s and a few times after that, but the dead sea scrolls found in 1947 proved that the Word remained unchanged, plus a verse in the Bible says, that His Word will remain true to the end, and us believers have a sense to believe His Word. You see, God designed His salvation of mankind.....on faith alone.....and you have no faith....and no hope......I wish you did have just a little faith as a mustard seed that could grow....because....It is not my wish and surely not God's wish that any should parish. You surely believe that Jesus was here on earth and that they killed Him on the cross, don't you......History man....History, that History also says that over 500 people saw him a week later, Yep! Walking and alive. Takes faith to want to believe and your tank is empty. but your not alone....Wide is the path to hell and narrow the path to life and few there be that find life.....that means that you aren't going to be alone in hell ...but....most are going to hell......even all those in America that call them selves Christians and have never been born again (received a new Spirit) are mentioned as Jesus said....Many will say Lord, Lord, and not see the Kingdom of Heaven. The road to hell is a hundred time more wider that the path to Heaven and all have the chance to know and love the Lord be just asking Him to save them and He does all the rest if the asking was real and from the enter soul. But remember this Bailey, you can not point a finger at me when you stand before the Great White Throne and your soul (which will never die) will be judged and cast into outer darkness out of God's present, and your soul will never die......Time is really short Bailey.....you may be living in the greatest time period of all, When Christ returns for His Church, you know, the few. I am not going to say, God Bless you.....you will have to ask for that blessing yourself, if you are still able to see beyond yourself and pride.

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
    • 0
      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      Another point Bailey......You say there is no Heaven or Hell.......well.....My Jesus said that He goes to prepare a place for me, where He is, I can come also......That makes my heart happy.....just knowing.....and without any doubt...... I know many that say they are going to go to hell and party with their friends, if there was a party, they would be the BarBQ.....but a soul that can not die can only do things when they have a body, Your body is nothing but a tent for your soul to live in and your brain is a real electronic computer, the best ever of all computers and your soul controls all inputs, your soul needs your eyes to see with, your ears to hear with, your soul can do nothing without your body except (think) Have you every though about having your computer rebooted and re-install the program WISDOM, thew program called KNOWLEDGE is expensive and many computers of the bodies don't have this program but WISDOM could work for you in your programing

    • 6 months ago
  • someonemany
    • 0
      someonemany  

    • I agree all obama supporters need to get implants,
      and for you christians if this implant is the mark of the beast then the best is a computer and guess what you are bowing before an idol of the beast in your home so I guess you should get off the internet now.

    • 8 months ago
  • Carol_Bickford
  • Dave_Hanson
    • 0
      Dave_Hanson  
    • someonemany:

      Woow you couldn't be more wrong & confused it has nothing to do with a computer if you take the implant in the Bible it states it would be considered the mark of the best (666) look in the bible it's Coming from God I'm diffentley going to pray for you & everyone considering taking the implant God bless

    • 6 months ago
  • christianforchrist
  • bailey78
    • -1
      bailey78  

    • That book of fairy tales that so many of you believe in is nothing but that. A book of fairy tales. Don't be a dumb ass learn to think for yourself.

    • 8 months ago
  • Dave_Hanson
    • -1
      Dave_Hanson  
    • bailey78:

      It's not a fairy tale if anyone takes the implant its considered the mark of the best it's designed to find the real Christians cause the real followers of Jesus Christ will take the implant for me & my family will serve The Lord our God

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • Loretta_Watson
  • bailey78
    • -1
      bailey78  
    • Loretta_Watson:

      Nope because there is no Hell and no satan. Thats all just a bunch of hooy that is used to control mankind. They had to have a way to explain what they could not. So they set down and over time came up wih bible. A book of fairytales that they are still useing to control mankind today.

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
    • 0
      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      It's fairy tales too you, because the truth is not in you and in fact is hid from you....Jesus proved who He was and He said.....If you seek me, you will find me if you seek with all your being....and Bailey, you don't know the meaning of (ALL) you have never seeked God with more then a penny's worth in all your life, you will go to hell....in the state you are in, and that makes you mad, to hear that....right..... that is the real truth, and you hate truth, for God says," you are a liar and a fool".

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
    • 0
      bailey78  
    • golding4:

      The truth is there is no heven or hell. just a bunch of scared people like you that have no idea what in the world is going to happen. just because I don't believe in your religion that does not make a a bad person. Nor does it make me mad. Oh and I don't lie about anything because the truth is the truth and I live in the light of it.

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
    • 0
      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      Bailey....I'm looking at something on my wall, can you tell me what it is......No, you can't. and the Bible is designed the same way, it is a book addressed to only Christians, sure there is much info in it about the lost (you). the lost understand the words but not the Spiritual message that it gives, it's alive to those who have received the Spirit and dead to people like you, too you, it's just a book, and to us that believe, it's life. Look at the life of Paul who wrote most of the new testament, so what changed his mind, from being a killer of Christians Too becoming an Apostle......without a new spirit, you will never understand.

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
    • 0
      golding4  
    • bailey78:

      What are we scared of Bailey? We know what's going to happen! We can go in death with a smile and a joyous heart (but) people like you cry and say, I don't want to die, and end up scared to death or of death. And yes.....the road to hell is paved with good people, it's not goodness that gets one to Heaven.....I have a real puzzling question for you.....Why do you hate God so much ! Let me tell you your future, your going to bend or you are going to brake........and yes, Bailey's knees will bend before the Lord Jesus and Bailey's lips will confess that Jesus is God. and that is another truth that the bible says.

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
    • -2
      bailey78  

    • OH Bull Shit! stop trying to scare folks. You want something to be scared of go do some research on whthe republicans are really going to do if they get in the white house. Thats something to be scared of.

    • 8 months ago
  • Paula_Magnuson
    • -1
      Paula_Magnuson  
    • bailey78:

      oh you mean how we voted for freedom and a sound fiscal budget which affects everyone from new born babies to seniors, right you libs voted for abortion the legal murdering of innocent and helpless babies, same sex marriage and illegal immigration all of these issues only affect a small portion of the population, and all these selfish and personal issues will mean nothing when you lose your freedom and have no job or money! food for thought ! oh and all the rich liberals are they exempt from being taxed too! and when all the rich have no more money or a place to give you all a job what are you all gonna do then?? food for thought!

    • 6 months ago
  • bailey78
  • Davi_da_Silva_Alves
    • +6
      Davi_da_Silva_Alves  

    • This is the mark of the beast for sure. Read Revelation 13:16-18 and you'll see. Don't put that chip. We need to repent for our sins and understand that we need God. We can't be saved by ourselves. God loved us so much that Jesus had to come and suffer the condenation we should have suffered. God is good, and as a good God he must destroy sin. He gave us an opportunity to repent and be saved, and that's through faith in Jesus Christ only. One day we will be standing in front of him. We need to understand that we need God. We all need God. We are bad people with dirty hearts. We need God. He loves us, yes He does. But he's also just. When Jesus where preaching he used to say: Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near Matthew 3:2 - Only God can change us.

    • 8 months ago
  • De__Darel
  • hammer10
    • +7
      hammer10  
    • Image

    • There are numerous websites online that confirm that micro chipping the public is part of the new health care plan. We will soon have drones flying over most American cities taking our photos. Our military can now arrest Americans anywhere in the world (NDAA) and hold them without charge, indefinitely, if the government suspects that individual of some kind of wrong doing. Obama wants a National "Kill Swtich" for the internet - a way of turning off the internet entirely "in case of national emergency", and there have been a number of attempts to regulate the internet in the last 3 years (SOPA, PIPA), etc...
      We are rapidly losing our FREEDOMS. Is anyone paying attention? Does anyone care?
      Snopes is funded by multi-billionaire George Soros, the globalist who brought down the economies of several nations. Soros also funds Media Matters and Fact Check, so using these sources to "verify" information is not a smart idea.
      http://current.com/community/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-require-an-i...

    • 9 months ago
  • Paula_Magnuson
  • SMOKINPOTTER
    • +4
      SMOKINPOTTER  

    • cool whatever the thing is people we cant count on the government to make these kinds of decisions for us if you do not agree with something beause it conflicts with your religion. then dont do it . im not saying that obama is the anti christ but im not saying that he isnt either. im saying that guns make all the difference in the world i believe that the government has way to much control of aour lives our 4 fathers believed in a free land and a right to bear arms. do you think that any of those people in colorado would have been killed if they had been armed FUCK NO people we have to take care of ourselves and our families not leave it up to the government because where has it gotten us lately we have had numerous terrorist attacks including 9-11 people go get a concealed carry there has never been a complaint about being to precautious
      take you life in you own hands

    • 9 months ago
  • Lauri_Owen
  • kb11
  • Jan_Boru
  • Steven_Satx
  • Paula_Magnuson
  • Paula_Magnuson
  • Dave_Hare
  • Dave_Hare
  • christianforchrist
  • Roberta13
  • Roberta13
  • Roberta13
  • Paul_Dozier
  • Kasandra_Cassie_Mazingo
    • +8
      Kasandra_Cassie_Mazingo  

    • oh no I won't I am not taking the mark of the beast....That is exactly what a friend of mine and I talked about a month ago...She said that she felt that the mark of the beast would be by a chip implanted....oh no I won't have anything to do with this

    • 11 months ago
  • DanB77
    • -4
      DanB77  

    • Are you people serious? The rapture? Mark of the beast? Antichrist? Why are you even paying attention to news and current events if you're so apt to believe in such ridiculous fairytale?

      C'mon... really, do you people know the extreme right has been crying about microchips for decades? According to one book written in the late 1980's, anyone born after 1976 have all been microchipped via childhood vaccinations. Putting "quotes" around something DOESN't make if fact. i.e. "the moon is made of cheese" isn't a true statement, regardless of the quotations. In the case of this particular story, it was disproven in it's entirety some time before this wonderful "news" website posted it. Do some more reading people, as much as you all may hate to hear it, it sounds like many of you are quite ill informed.

      To the rapture beast chanters, let's keep it in the home or chapel. With all due respect to your beliefs, using them as your basis for factual discussion does very little to prove your point. This isn't about Jesus, Buddah or Allah, it's about the far right not liking the POTUS.

    • 11 months ago
  • Drew_Marzilli
  • DanB77
  • Paula_Magnuson
    • -1
      Paula_Magnuson  
    • DanB77:

      i will pray for your soul as hell is a real place and the bible is accurate and God is in control , the bible is basic instructions before leaving earth! funny you believe what the government and obama tells you but not the bible ! trust not in man but in God!

    • 6 months ago
  • golding4
  • frampton
    • -6
      frampton  

    • I'm getting a little tired of these myths about the "mark of the beast." Every generation has them, and one day it's a bar code, then it's an RFID chip. None of them have even the slightest truth to them.

      Frankly, why don't people look at the numbering of the Jews in the concentration camps and call that the number of the beast? Look at real evil before you make up conspiracy theories about a president you don't particularly like.

    • 11 months ago
  • Drew_Marzilli
    • +6
      Drew_Marzilli  
    • frampton:

      The numbering of the Jews was and is and will always be considered "A Mark Of The Beast"
      Hitler was a TRUE ANTI-CHRIST. We are sticking RFID Chips in our pets, what makes you even thnk it hasn't been done and will be done on humans

    • 9 months ago
  • Lavon_Madsen
  • golding4
    • -1
      golding4  
    • frampton:

      Hey Lib.....I am going to tell you the truth, with first a question ! or so..... Who is obama? What do you know about him? He is a godless man, that God is using, It is God who ordains governments and God has removed His Hand off this nation and is using obama as the WOE, yes he is the Woe until that nation covered by the eagles wing, a nation that has to send it's ambassadors by sea, a nation surveyed from coast to coast, a nation divided by the rivers, when they lift a flag on a hill, the whole world sees, when they blow a horn, the whole world hears, they are a mighty people from their beginning and they are much further then Ethiopia.......(and Ethiopia was the fringe of civilization in those days of Isaiah. and you wonder why God has removed His Hand from this nation.....because of more people like you are the reason, God has been removed even in our schools and people are running from God as fast as they can, not even knowing what they are running from, I don't know how long you have been running but He still loves you right up to your last breath......then you will pay your own debt which is unpayable, you don't have enough to pay for your own salvation if you owned the whole world, and your soul who is using your body to live in will suffer forever......This is not nice to say, but, you are such a dumb a$$ and one of the leaders of the apostasy

    • 6 months ago
  • ProudMommy25
    • +9
      ProudMommy25  

    • I've heard about this but never took it serious, now after reading this I am absolutely shocked and disgusted. I will never get any chip implanted in me!!! I am going to heaven and not hell!!!!!

    • 11 months ago
  • Carrie_Chastain
    • +6
      Carrie_Chastain  

    • Zealon,
      Do you have anyone in your family that is mentally handicapped? Or are you the only one? Your ignorance is apparent when you use terms like "retarded". As a public school teacher of students with special needs, I speak on their behalf to inform you that is an unacceptable label. Also for someone who is not from America, why do you care?
      Others,
      It is becoming difficult to listen to liberals constantly judge others, and their intentions. Especially since judging is one of the things that conservatives and Christians are most often accused of doing. Every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. This is often my only comfort in times when Americans, or any other human can no longer tell right from wrong, and just from unjust.

    • 11 months ago
  • Zealon
    • -6
      Zealon  
    • Carrie_Chastain:

      Well, don't we have quite the hypocrite.

      You accuse me of using terms such as "retarded" yet you blatantly call me retarded in turn.

      Welcome to the Internet, as a teacher you will soon learn the harsh truth about the internet; the meaning behind words on here are not directed in anyway to humiliate or deprive those of any sort of humanity.

      I am homosexual (lesbian, in fact) and yet I still call people 'faggots', in a joking sense of course.

      Do not take the internet seriously, Mrs. Chastain.

      As for the the statement about not being from America, I was more interested in the story at hand, as it is very intriguing and something I actually wanted to read on, in hope of understanding why such a plan was being put in action.

      I'm sorry, but as a teacher, you're not very bright, are you?

      Regards.

    • 11 months ago
  • Robert_Osswald
    • -3
      Robert_Osswald  

    • Before we can address the "Class II" devices, please note:
      There is NO public option in the bill...
      This was a Huge sell-out to the insurance companies, who wanted ALL the money, and didn't want to face any competition which a public option would provide...
      The government does not control your healthcare, nor will it under this bill.
      The insurance companies and the Medical-pharmaceutical industrial complex are still in charge... just like always in the USA.

    • 11 months ago
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