Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

This is the "Mark of the Beast" that is indicated in Revelations book of the Bible. Do not take it or lose your eternal salvation and live forever in hell. Jesus is suppose to return and rapture the church as is thought by pre-tribuation believers. I hope they are right, otherwise you will have to opt to die in order to not take the mark as is shown in this article. The government will leave you no option.

And liberals, when faced with something they disagree with, rather than using facts, resort to profantiy and crudity. Can we please keep words like c*%p and s%#t --and then that favorite of Huffington Post commentors, f$@%--out of our social discourse?

What ever happened to my body my right libs? Fuck the microchip, it probably causes cancer. I don't have any desire to let liberals know anything about me. Fuck this "no needing to hide" bullshit. Once your medical information is electronic, fuckers from the government can get a hold of it whenever they want - even when its not ethical to do so. Think of it like this liberals, I am an evil conservative named Nixon, I noticed Obama used cocaine based on his medical record. Now he is marked for life. Some stuff does not need to be known by everyone assholes.

I say fuck Obama, fuck liberals and fuck anybody who wants to implant stuff in me in order to receive coverage. How about let me choose whether or not I feel like having a chip inside and let me decide if the benefits are worth the sacrifice. Maybe I don't want doctors to just base their diagnosis off of previous doctors, maybe I don't want my information in a data bank?

Fuck going green, only retards think using paper will destroy the Earth. I say incinerate all oil and paper - I bet the world will be better with more CO2. Plants grow larger when the atmosphere has an increased percentage of CO2. In theory there are more warm nice days and it would be awesome if more hurricanes would kill off a few more idiots. If only a cat 5 could hit New York, or in some weird way hit California. Too bad the Earth is not like that.0

Fuck universal health care, I hope all of you liberals die. I hope you try to throw me in jail for not following a liberal law. I want to see you try. I would love it if you came and protested at my house, I would mace all of you with 5% formic acid and Indian pepper extract concentrated to 10%. Since liberals don't carry guns they can't do shit. I will have microwave based cellphone jammers up so they can't call the cops, until it is too late for those stupid fucks.

Call me puerile if you must, at least I don't make bombs like you stupid fucks. Liberals are terrorists, liberals are fools... I think I have said my piece, now peace out you boobs!

"With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates..."

Actually, health insurance companies make less than a 3% profit margin; something like 2.7%.

It IS mandatory for some government jobs. It has been under discussion in Washington long before Obama, but it has been dropped. There are several versions of the healthcare bills, but most importantly, they all will cause us to be owned by China.

Well its a damn good thing that I go to a Chiropractor for my health issues... theres no way in hell i'm letting anybody but a damn chip in my body!! tracking device! and i'm not paranoid or guilty of anything, the idea of saving paper and having everything on a little chip with all of your medical background and info seems like a really cool idea, but I see it as a way for the gov. to track us like little robots... fuck that!

I'm not "100% for Obama," but this purported requirement for implantable chips is not accurate.

There IS a reference to "implantable devices" in H.R 3200, but it's in the context of FDA and a registry for certain Class II and Class III medical devices, including implantable ones.

FDA classifies all medical devices - including things as safe as toothbrushes to those as risky as X-ray machines and artificial hearts - into one of three classes - I, II or III - based on potential risk. Classes II and III include those devices that are more risky. FDA requires more data for these to obtain authorization to market, and requires more follow-up data after they're sold ("post-market data") to ensure they really are safe.

This type of registry helps with recalls and notification of patients in the event a problem is found to exist. This type of registry also is not new - if you've heard about the recent murder of Jasmine Fiore and how they identified her remains through her breast implants, you've learned that a registry of breast implants, an implantable Class III medical device - already exists.
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The full text of H.R. 3200 can be found at http://www.thomas.gov/. Search for "implantable" or scroll to Subtitle C, Sec. 2521(a)(1)(B) -

" National Medical Device Registry

(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the `registry') to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--

(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

(B) is--

(i) a class III device; or

(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining."
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FDA device classification info can be found at -
http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyY...

No one likes you enough to want to track your every move. Sorry. You're not that interesting.

"So let's just cut to the chase and say that this is: Complete. Utter. Bullshit."

"This is total bullshit."

These responses from locutus and lucid stone are so frightening typical of the lefts' and supporters of Obamacares.

Why is it bullshit, because they say so. How do they know it's bullshit, because the Huffington Post and Barack Obama say it is.

Critics point to specific provisions of the actual legislation, supports deny it's there despite never actually looking to see if it is or not.

Critics point out that sections that prohibit insurers from enrolling new customers and disallowing ESIRs from operating after specified dates and explain how that ends private insurance for all but the wealthiest - supporters respond nu-ah, no it doesn't.

Critics point out the sections that establish regional and national boards appointed by the executive branch that are mandated to apply specific cost benefit/matrices to all procedures and authorized to deny care based on age, chronic conditions and other criteria - supporters respond nu-ah, no it doesn't.

Of course the bill is online and we can all read it and see that it does in fact end private insurance over a period of several years, there are government panels charged with deciding who gets the care they need to live and who doesn't and that this text is most definitely part of the bill...

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

... but hey, why actually read the bill when it's so much easier to let Michael Moore, Barack Obama and Nacy Pelosi think for you.

Two things strike me reading the responses here: first, the willingness to accept and even excuse the possible inclusion of such a grievous assault on personal privacy and liberty by some of the same people who shrieked at the possibility of cell phone calls to known terrorists overseas being monitored is shocking to say the least. The shear hypocrisy and intellectual bankruptcy of the left is mind boggling and appears to have no bounds.

Second for a bunch that routinely asserts certainty of their own intelligence, that you can't figure this out is shameful.

Yes this text is in the current bill under section: 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY - if you tried to find it on page 1004, what more can I say than you're just stupid and should do the world a favor and stop breathing now.

Read it for youself.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

The pertinent section of the bill appears to set up a registry and collection of data for devices that are implanted in patients (ie pace makers, insulin pumps etc) to track their safety and effectiveness.

Could it be used to mandate implanting of microchips? Well that's the "glorious" thing about legislation such as this; it's really up to who's interpreting to decide that.

Some people want to feel fear and paranoia. They go out of their way to find it, or they simply make it up.

The whole thing is curious.

The original poster should be sanctioned or something. Either this is the result of sheer idiocy or malicious intent.

you can pick up your chip at the death panel office
shut the fuck up

So much crap talking about what ISN'T in the bill that so many are saying is bad....but NO ONE who claims to KNOW EVERYTHING in the bill has stated one downside to it.

So what's wrong with the bill people who always claim the other side is wrong about what it says?

Do tell.....

or don't---which only means one you didn't read it all or two you don't understand it nearly as well as you profess her and elsewhere.

OK,
Even I'm gonna call BS on this, but just think of the implications it would have were it true.

BTW, when political disent becomes paranoia, I am leaving the country.

So I looked at the title of the article, and I thought wow, that is just blatent BS. I looked at the number of posts and thought, wow look how many people are calling BS on the OP. Then I read the posts... really? This many people actually believe this kind of crap? I mean, it's not even sort of close to true. The guy even tells you where to look to dissprove it right in the article.

Alright, I know people can be slightly stupid. I mean, a good amount of people in this world actually still believe word for word in a book that's been mistranslated for centuries (let alone that the premise itself is pretty much the stuff of fairy tales). But at least the religiously handicapped just yell and scream once and a while. They're annoying, but they don't hurt anybody. This guy and the people who buy into what he's selling, are actually going to ruin a legitimate debate on a failling health care system. In essence the OP is actually killing someone by posting this drivel. How's that weigh on your conscience?

Who cares? I agree with other above comments that abovetopsecret.com is just like the inquirer, Sun, Ect. If it is true, it is a green idea and we should all thank Obama.

If you check HR3200, it is in a section titled "Subtitle C—National Medical Device Registry". It is on pages 1000-1007. I have NOT read the pages yet and cannot make an informed comment, but posted it so others can check it for themselves. A cursury examination seems to indicate it is about registering the devices and the results of the use of said devices. It appears to be about safety and not information gathering, but as I said I have not finished reading it.

This is the equivalent of 'Death Panels', 'Death Books' for liberals. I don't want a chip, but I think this is the same type of BS being used to thwart health care reform. If they can't win with facts, they resort to fear and BS.

made up propoganda from the health care industry and its stooges in government.

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
The Book of Revelation.The Bible is the truth every one

I'm going to call B.S. on this. Nobody in there right mind is going to let someone stick one of these in them. When My goverment requires me to be chipped. I will move to mexico.

Hmmm? Sounds to me like the birthers and death panel nuts found a new toy. Have fun with this one kids and don't put it in your mouth!

Folks, we all ready have these devices and there is all ready a national registry. These devices are called "Pacemakers" and "Holter Monitors". Some are implanted, some attach to the outside of your body. They hold medical data, and YES, medical records.

As of now, there are mandatory requirements for hospitals and heart clinics to send this information to a registry - to get reimbursed for medicare. This is not a requirement for private insurance, yet.

If you want to educate yourself (and not be a paranoid, disillusioned, idiot) you can read more from these links:

http://www.acc.org/about/overview/overview.htm
http://www.ncdr.com/WebNCDR/ICD/default.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_device

ALSO - the picture you are using is of an RFID implant. I have seen the same picture from a book called RFID toys. You obviously went out of your way to make a false connection here.

http://images.google.com/images?q=rfid%20implant

Okay here is what H.R.3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 actually says p1001-1002 (because p1001 ends at line 25).

p1001 under Subtitle C—National Medical Device Registry

The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the
23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and
24 outcomes data on each device that—
25 ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and
p1002
1 ‘‘(B) is—
2 ‘‘(i) a class III device; or
3 ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable,
4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

THERE ARE CURRENT MEDICAL DEVICES THAT ARE IMPLANTABLE! eg. a pacemaker

The section quoted is simply talking about creating a registry to keep track of "class II device that is implantable,
4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_device
Class II: General Controls with Special Controls

Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.

Can't they just put this info on your DL and then someone can just scan it in? Why does it have to be a 'chip'?

Use the DL for this stuff...I also don't understand why they can't just ask for a DL to use as a credit card to see if you're of age to drink. Fabrication of an ID is easily done, but if it has to be scanned to be acceptable..well...that makes it difficult to fabricate.

Yeah, I'm sure this isn't true. If it were required though, couldn't I just keep my files on a flash drive or something. How much data could actually be stored in an implanted RFid chip anyways?

Crap!

Well, all the nuts I've heard on shortwave radio talking about the Illuminati and Black Helicopters and vapor Trails........maybe there is a miniscule amount of sanity in there somewhere if this turns out to be true. We'd all become socialist drones. If Big Brother comes in our lifetime, it will be in the form of Obama proposed legislation.

This is The stupidest fear mongering I have seen on current in quite some time. Thanks hurtsville for posting crap and labeling it news!

In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

Buddha

blah, blah, blah............you're feeding into the bullshit. Do you really think they'd make it mandatory? Give me a break. Paranoia come destroy ya.

IIRC these things have a habit of causing cancer long term. The reason you can use them in pets is pets don't live for 50 years. The probability that they would be used for health care is laughably low.

The hot topics list on this site also contains "the 13 goals of a witch" and an article about how all 50 states now have to recognize gay marriage.

I'm adding tags 'not news' and 'comedy' to this article I think.

Wow! This takes the whole "Big Brother" scenario a little too far for me. I like the idea of having affordable healthcare but I don't like the idea of the government placing a RFID Chip under my skin because they want to streamline the information highway. This seems to be a violation of my privacy. If this chip holds private information who's to say that other persons such as hackers or identity thieves wouldn't be able to access this private data. The government has already put RFID chips into our passports and ID cards. They don't need to putting them under my skin too.

so now i actually have to pay all my unpaid balances...damn it

Ahhhhhh, trusty conspircay theory intel from "abovetopsecret.com" . . . . lol, really???
Seriously though, if there was even a sliver of truth to this, it would be all over Fox.

So let's just cut to the chase and say that this is: Complete. Utter. Bullshit.

This is total bullshit

EPIC FAIL

If one follows the trail, this article leads to a bullshit conspiracy source which leads to another bullshit conspiracy source. I'm really embarassed for you, the people that buy into this idiocy. You are paranoid and stupid, and part of the problem.

Implantable chips are easily detectable, and make ID theft super easy.

Plus it's just fuckin' creepy. Reminds me of Logan's Run.

I know its fashionable around here to be a conspiratorial schizo, but this is a little beyond the pale for that.

Pssst....

I heard that Obama-Care is going to REQUIRE all white men to cut off one testicle and feed it to a tiger.....

No, Really.....!

Glen Beck told me so.....

Implanted microchip, huh?
And we all feign hatred and reluctance for this, huh?
We're all soooo scared of Big Brother that we; constantly dole out personal information on the web, use countless wireless electronics, are satellite subscribers, use GPS, have extensive search histories, update status' & moods and tell everybody everything.
Don't get me wrong,... an implantable chip is a nutso idea,... but we're all already on the grid,... over & over & over again. So let that not be your fear of the forthcoming chip, Bobbbbbb!
Besides,... a foil hat will keep the Illuminatti, the death counselors and the voices from finding you.

It will not be mandatory. It is an option for convenience. If you are so paranoid, then burn your insurance card.

Everyone is scared that everything is going to go into a chip, and everyone is going to have to be subservient to the government or they turn the chip off and you can't live your life anymore...

Don't people have families and friends who would know who they were and vouch for them?

I am just saying... all of this fear is really just fear of the unknown. No one here knows anything about it.

I would say that people would bring up similar concerns about the internet and PC's today if they were looking at it 50 years ago, and the same thing about the post office 500 years ago. None of this stuff ever turns out to destroy our lives. It may destroy privacy as we know it, but no one seems to be bitching much about the fact that people get fired for their facebook pages and that mail that's addressed to you comes straight to your house on a daily basis.

To be honest, I don't share any reverence for the whole "the fed is going to take away everything you hold dear, and big government is going to destroy your lives!!" bullcrap.

It hasn't yet, and all of our advances dramatically help our lives rather than hurting them. If anyone is going to extort me, it's a profit-motivated corporation with too much power, not a government that spends all of its money trying to help people.

You guys need to chill the fuck out.

ahem

BULLSHIT.

i can't believe you'd just make up out and out lies. sad.

"mark of the beast"? it'd be funny if it weren't costing us decent healthcare. but it's serious, so shut the hell up.

And armagedon starts, and the Republicans are crazy,and the Christian are parinoid. Hey go green?? a ....must read Revelation, a chapter in the Bible.

this is just another mark of the beast...before you know it people wont be able to buy or even enjoy the simple things in life, like the movies, without having something similar implanted into one's body...if i were u i would just deny it...my people have survived long enough (centuries, beginning of man) with out implanted chips or the government following us...we just have to answer to God and will continue to live for Him and none other...especially man...1LOVE...

This is exactly the kind of thing that science fiction novels, movies, and futuristic horror films are based on. A centralized system that immediately identifies and can pull data of any person or persons it chooses.

It may LEAD to that, but I think, right now, it' the same thing we use for our cats and dogs, right? Just a little rice-sized chip behind their ears to identify them if they get lost. This kind of thing sounds very interesting to me, and I also get a twinge of fear.

Science fiction tells us that this kind of thing is what it starts out with. I was just talking to someone about this the other day. Just having a scary idea of what this could lead to gives me chills, and I don't want to see it in my lifetime.

But for this, it's not even mandatory. *sigh of relief*

And I agree, it seems like entirely a green-eco-friendly-paper-saving innovation to me. Maybe I just read too many science fiction books.

I still have an aversion to someone waving a price-scanner thing over me and it going beep, and all my information appears on a screen in the wall.

Let's hope people's fear of an all-powerful and intrusive government keeps my bad scifi fears from coming to fruition.

And here's another thought. Why not just give people a scannable card? Something like that might work, but them again, "what isn't attached you lose at one point or another..."

AboveTopSecret.com is worse than the inquirer and Glen Beck put together.
It's all lies

i read through the bill in search of this alleged quotation and found nothing. The bill is also significantly shorter than the 1004+ pages mentioned above.

Did anyone else have the same findings?

where does it say REQUIRE?

Mark of the Beast ring any bells?

This is a nightmare for every paranoid asshole who is afraid the government will use this technology to count the number of times they jack-off.
Anybody who is against this is either paranoid and/or guilty of something.