John Stossel Exposes Michael Moore’s Movie SICKO - Debunks Cuba’s Government Healthcare

What creditability do you have to be trusted that your opinion is even accurate?

Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are right.

You have to have what is called...PROOF. You don't.

I could have a degree in reading people and you'd scoff at that.....consider us even.

ignoring the amount of taxes you have to pay.

That does not explain the lotto or the long lines at all or why hundreds go elsewhere that are NOT on holiday.

What are you talking about? Where are the long lines you speak of? I have never seen them. The lotteries help finance the healthcare system, is there anything wrong with that?

Didn't watch the entire video, one.

Two, you sound just like an American who thinks the health care is perfect. You'd scoff if they said that. Well people scoff at your comment that there are not lines and waits for months for certain procedures. Or HOUR....least being 3 and most being the day for help.

The moment you can actually be honest about the health care system is the moment I can actually take you seriously.

You are right J, I only watched part of the video. I am from Canada though and the healthcare system here is run by the provinces(states) not by the federal gov't. Certain procedures do have waiting times but so do procedures in the states. I pay $50 a month for full coverage, everything, I know noone who has ever been denied coverage for anything, unlike the American system where the insurance companies charge $500 a month and look for any reason whatsoever to deny coverage. We have no co-pay, none.

Waiting hours, days or even months is like being denied. Some people have had bad experience with such. Acting like it's better instead of something that's just as bad but in a pretty package is not being truthful.

You did not address anything that they stated about Canada. NOTHING. What about the wait time? The lotto for a family doctor?

Not admitting to to fractures in a system is stating that it's without fault.

Disappoint in someone for not being truthful and yet you are not truthful yourself? Not a well played hand and rather cliched with the "fear" talk.

Have you ever been to or lived in Canada?
Where did you get these bogus facts?

My relative, who is currently has cancer, is being treated and getting excellent services there, and yes he does not have to "wait" for his turn to be treated.
If you ever at this stage (having cancer), believe me, the last thing that you ever want to deal with when you on the hospital bed is to be dealing with insurance companies or medical bills, and to be worry what is being covered and what is not. Our relative was in the hospital for 4-5 weeks, and when he was out, he did not have to worry about any hospital bills. In fact he did not have to pay not even one penny. Their income taxes are a little higher than ours, but at least you get something beneficial in return. Here in the U.S., if you stay in the hospital for that long, even with insurance, you can be broke by the time you are out.

I have lived in Australia and Canada myself for many years, and have personally witnessed how their health care systems work. All of my relatives from both of these two countries have come to visit the U.S. many times for vacation, but they would never want to live here or dare to move here -- all because of the fear of the health care system in the U.S.

You should go and spend a year there vacationing and find out for yourself. It is the BEST WAY to discover the TRUTH.

There are always downsides and it's unnecessary to trade one system for another if the downsides are worse. The packaging, as you continue to discribe it, can be as pretty as it wants...but it's what's inside that counts and I don't think ou know enough about it to know the darker aspects.

America knows it has a problem, but the dispute is how to solve it not that it needs solved.

Everyone works for someone else.

Who do you work for? What agenda are you spewing? Obama's?

Better think on that one. You're just as pure as the driven snow.

But you work for your political views that are controlled by the party you think you are with.....ie Obama, right? You voted for him....yes? How often have you discussed what he has done wrong here?

If no...then you are controlled. If yes it would matter what you have talked about because it can still sound a bit controlled.

Plus people are accusing someone of being with someone without having his response. They are not really trustworthy in their accusations anyway---so it's not like you or anyone else have valid backing and his comments on such...so your proof is pretty hollow.

Doesn't in any way make what is said in any of the videos wrong.

Stating that it does is ignorance in it's greatest glory.

And your thinking didn't come from your own head. It comes from somewhere....you teach your children you were taught as well.

You are not untouched.

Simply put you disagree with him because he disagrees with what Obama wants.

Don't over complicate it with pretend reasons. It's see through.

Why do liberals and democrats think that no one wants to alter health care but them? Fear tactic to get what they want out of this. It does need to be changed...it does NOT need to be overhauled in such a way that it's like any other countries.

That's just retarded.

You didn't watch the video. It shows that he wants affordable and reasonable health care as well.

You just don't like him and as I stated that's just not good enough---even though you continue to pretend it's for a valid reason.

It's just like people not liking Obama because he's not white. You not liking someone because they don't think like you is no different. It affords the same amount of thinking.

And I didn't call you anything, but it does make it easier to code everything in what you wish it to be so that you feel justified in what you have to say and think.

Do as you wish...but you're really wrong and I think you realize that and that's why you must depart.

I don't lose respect so easily because humans make mistakes, you do know that don't you?

I don't...it seems that you think you are flawless and never made one and if you come back and state that you are not---then why are you so nitpicky about how others act and how do we know that you hold yourself to such high standards? Don't fall from your standards....you just might die.

I don't look at someone's reputation to see if I agree with them. What they have to state and how they state it is what I look at. If I totally paid attention to every little thing they did or who they talked to then I wouldn't like anyone.....because no one would live up to that kind of scrutiny.

And Dan Rather was set up...that is one of the suggestions. What am I supposed to do? Believe you that you state he was ruined by his own mistake that he never did in all his career? Or that someone wanted to ruin him?

Which fits?

I don't know. I do know that I don't judge him on that. It's a waste of time to judge people before they speak.

A program that is headed towards bankruptcy.

How much have you paid in insurance since you started paying?

The point is that it wouldn't be that much if there was no insurance. The idea that they are necessary is laughable.

@ wayseeker: While I'm sincerely saddened at the thought of you or anyone else going through a life threatening and traumatic event of having a stroke, the mere fact that you did indicates that you are a meat and dairy consumer. Vegans simply don't have this type of medical problem. My point being that if people want the freedom of consuming meat and dairy in this country, then they should take personal responsibility for the resulting medical conditions that arise from their choices.

For example, consider the number of obese in this country today (and the number continues to rise at a record pace), this condition alone is guaranteed to create unnecessary expense for whatever socialist health care program that is put in place by our government. As long as people have the right to be obese, consume excessive amounts of alcohol, smoke, have unprotected sex, etc., government provided health care cannot be a right.

Let me be clear, I gladly support charitable organizations that help victims cover their medical costs, such as http://www.childrenmedical.org/index.html. But if individuals want to consume whatever and do whatever they please in this country, then let them pony up the money to pay for the consequences. If people don't want to be judged for their reckless decisions -fine, I get it- I'll stay out of your personal decisions as long as your personal choices stay out of my pocket!

Another person making assumptions you have no right to make. Diabetes and heart conditions seem to run in my family. I suggest you hold off on your judgments until you know what you're talking about.

I have done the research. I suggest you do some research instead of a knee-jerk defensive response. You didn't look into my claim at all, but defensively ignored the information I shared with you. Furthermore, it is typical to have diabetes and heart disease run in a family due to traditional and customary dietary habits passed down from generation to generation. We just like to think that things aren't are fault, they just happen, there is nothing we could possibly do to prevent them, which is wrong when it comes to poor diet.

I'm not trying to pick on you wayseeker, but before you ignore what I'm saying simply because you don't like what I say, perhaps you could do some sincere research yourself. I'd be happy to provide you legitimate third-party resources.

My response is not a knee jerk reaction. I obviously haven't done the degree of research you have on diets but I'm educated and not stupid. It sounds like you're saying if the world would change it's diet to vegetarian we would wipe out heart disease, strokes, and diabetes? How about cancer and 100's of other diseases? Vegetables are undoubtedly the healthiest food to eat but I don't think eating them along with meat and dairy products causes all or most diseases as you seem to be indicating. Just a thought: Human beings are naturally carnivorous.

First of all you have to drop perfect from your idea of what others think and second of all you do a lot of posting and hardly any reading.

It's like a one way street with you.

then America shouldn't be compared to Cuba.

that is reasonable even though I don't totally agree with all of that.

Then you shouldn't pick the place for older people based on how much it cost. You should just pick the one that helps your relative the most and go into debt because it just doesn't matter how much you pay...because you should just care that much.

It is the way the world works. People only do things if they are moved to do them by getting something out of it. Either a feeling, a gift, a hug, friendship or money....they do it to get something.

So even if there was no money doctors would help those that said thank you or showed appreciation more so than those that were grumpy and didn't give any kind of thanks. You honestly think that if money was gone that there wouldn't be another way to abuse?

People do it with their kids: Be good or I'll take this...if you're good you'll get this. People do that with their job: working hard to get a raise. People do that with gas...going to the place that has a penny less just because they save. Money is the driving force and if you don't see that...then that would be the problem.

Insurance does not care about you or your family and even if Government takes over that will not change. You have to give incentive for people to do well. That's just how it works.

That's why insurance shouldn't be used at all. All they tend to do is cause too much paper work.

And if one is to have insurance or something that helps pay then they should have it with them from job to job and they should decide what to do with that money no the insurance company.

If you are in a group of people and you are asked to work hard and get things done but everyone else isn't working hard what are you most likely to do? Those that are not working hard are not getting into any kind of trouble. So you most likely would end up working as hard as they do. making the job you are all working on take an extremely long time. Inefficient.

If you are put in a group and there is an incentive to finish as quick and as good as possible then what happens? If it is a group thing people will make sure everyone is working and that they are all doing their best so that the incentive is something the receive. If it's individual then everyone tries their best and gives their best and the project gets done and the one that did the best work (over all) get the incentive.

The point? People work to get something out of it. If everyone gets the same thing then there's no point in trying to do better. There's no incentive to do better.

Profit moves people.

When you shop at a grocery store you go to where you can get the best bargain. Why should health care be any different? Why should we have to pay more in taxes or out of pocket for something that would be cheaper if the doctors were showing their prices and informing people what costs what?

It's almost as if people for Obama just want a new toy instead of fixing what works and making it better.

No insurance? Every man for himself? Then there should be no auto insurance or home insurance or life insurance? And definitely no Social Security which is an insurance against complete poverty in old age. There will always be the less fortunate and people who don't earn enough to pay premiums or can't meet their deductible no matter how hard they work. Should people who because of family wealth have the education to get higher paying jobs have better health care than others? Yes, profit moves people but sometimes profit moves insurance companies toward greed. I think our difference here is that you don't see health care as a right and I say if it's available, especially in a wealthy country, it should be provided across the board. You probably think I'm a socialist and when it comes to quality of life for people I don't care if this program is somewhat socialistic. World wide people are trying to provide health care for one another so why not in this country? I've probably taken your statement out of context but it gave me a point from which to make a point. I don't think you are entirely wrong. I"m just trying to provide my own perspective.

People pay let's give an example:

Insurance on Car: $130
Insurance for health: $100

That's $230 a month
one year that's $2,760 a year.
You don't get sick enough to to pay a deductible on health and you don't get into an accident in 10 years (which is possible...thank you) that's $27,600 that you pay out to nothing and for nothing that you could have used on other things.

Without insurance you'd have more money to do other things and when you were sick or you do have an accident the cost will not be so astronomical if you have savings that you put some of that money into. You'll be able to pay out of pocket and get what you want done because they will be telling you the cost of this and that and the other.

Not only that, the government is built on consumption, they produce nothing. All this money that could've gone towards more economic growth for more jobs....but no, the insurance companies had to get their share with protectionism and barriers to entry from the Feds. It is so sad that people think we have a free market today. I am amazed so many people feel we are rich though, wonder how we got that way and wonder why we are losing it, makes we think about the tribal totalitarianism in Africa and socialism and statism in Mexico.....this country is screwed.....and that is the optimistic side.....the whole world will be enslaved to the central planners, the bureaucrats, the lobbyists, and the special interest groups. Instead, we should look to free markets and competitive markets to rebuild our economy. Too bad the government likes slavery more than freedom.

Then speak about it as if you have. Based on your comments it seems you have not watched any of them.

That is not what he was doing. He was showing that if you don't know the price of things and you are not paying you tend not to care about what's being spent.

Did you even watch the video?

Cuba has nothing to do with it. What has to do with it, if you paid attention, is the comparison of health care. It's not better. It's got some aspects hat might be better but that was aspects for the rich....not the poor who are the average in Cuba.

As with every debate you have some points to make but you keep inferring that no one's really watched the video except you. I don't comment on material I haven't watched carefully and I resent your implication.

The system is broken and it can be fixed. Revamping it isn't fixing it. It's just giving us more problems than we would have before.

How about answering my questions and actually watching the video?

And no you didn't---you took it out of context.

According to Cubans he went to the privileged hospital not a poor anything. Just because it's a poor country does not mean that they don't have rich people there that get primary care. How is that any different than what people claim here in America?

And his movie SUCKED. I watched it. It was so pretentious and overly dramatic that it made me puke.

The only good thing that came out of it was that medications are expensive. Though, I already knew that.

His movie did nothing to offer any solutions other than mimicking what's already out there. That will not work.

This program also didn't offer any solutions and only mimicked what's already out there..

Disagree with the conclusion or not, SiCKO did point out the flaws of our current system but also endorsed a single-payer solution.

THIS program did offer help. Again did you watch it? Just so you know that was only a part of the entire thing.

noxidereus,

He simply could have just said---WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN HEALTH CARE, AMERICA. And then that would be the end of the entire thing. The movie was full of misleading information that isn't totally true....especially the Cuba one.

Wrong.

My grandfather had a heart attack and he lived and he is not rich. He was lucky enough to be helped and then he got transported to Houston where he has been coming ever since. America has great doctors and great equipment. Just because the way in which health insurance works SUCKS...doesn't mean America needs to be like any other country with those long lines and ridiculous waits for things that we, right now, can get without a line.

Is it possible to provide quality healthcare to all taxpaying Americas without having ANY -- ANY!!-- waits whatsoever?

If the answer is no....then what should change: the idea of "instant" service for EVERY illness irregardless of its actual urgency or the fact that not all taxpaying Americans can GET quality healthcare?

Something has got to give.

You can't have everything. The only reason we have "instant" service for hip replacements as opposed to a 1 month waiting period is because we're actively denying coverage to tens of millions of Americans.

ANY system we create wherein those 40 MILLION Americans are allowed access to healthcare options (like hip replacement) would mean slightly longer wait times.

Isn't that acceptable for non-ER related operations?

If the choices are a) NEVER get a hip replacement or b) wait up to 1 month to get a hip replacement.....isn't waiting better than never?

So you are going to trade one bad system for another?

I think it's best to fix the one that's here.....far easier and less costly.

Totally taken out of context.

He said because he was making a statement for a reaction from Moore.

Try again. Maybe you should help us understand what waiting in line when one has a heart attack helps...or, for that matter, being in a lotto to get a family doctor.

Instead of nitpicking.

That has nothing to do with what was said.

NOTHING.

Refute the argument regardless of source and we can make progress as people. Character assassination is lame.

You have the option to block people, this prevents you from getting messages and email alerts by these people (it's what I did).

This is as accurate as people pinning Obama with Acorn.

peaceandfreedom spam sucks

Not paying attention to what is said and being angry for someone disagreeing with Obama...sucks.

nice...

Did you know that CUBA will pay anyones Medical school bills if you goto CUBA for your education and serve an under privileged community here in the States?
Now wave your flag and blow more smoke in the air.
Actions speak louder then BS

Real American? More like some cult of ron paul clone

They offered more assistance to Katrina Victims faster then our own Government. It's our policies that have effected the Cuban people not the Cubans.
Drop the Embargo

"Us America"? Who's "us"? How can someone be so blatantly out of touch with nature.

Enjoy your days of being a pawn of hegemony.. Or keep pretending to.