Wheelchair-Bound Woman Shouted Down At New Jersey Health Care Town Hall (VIDEO)
source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/wheelchair-bound-woman-sh_n_275472.html
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More than 1,500 people showed up to talk health care, but things quickly turned ugly. Much like the unruly town hall meetings that have been going on across the country, the angry crowd held up bizarre and nonsensical posters of protest while hurling insults at Rep. Pallone, and each other.
A new low for these meetings may have been set when the crowd shouted down a wheelchair-bound woman with "two incurable auto-immune diseases" who had the gall to ask a question.
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Reaper26
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i know were a capitalist nation but we've also want competion as well this will just be an incentive for HMO's to offer lower rates and better service. i still do curse nixon for introducing hmos great way to scam america and make money and kill people in the process. i agree with empire we all want were just gonna disagrre on somethings but this is horrid and wow that guy could only come up with that after he was told what she had. what a ass.
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Reaper26
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NeutronActivation
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Why aren't these people being arrested and JAILED for their disruptions? I want to hear these morons screaming "DON"T TASER ME BRO! Town hall doesn't mean free for all. If this was a republican operation you'd need a hand picketed invitation just to get in and if you caused any trouble you'd be on your way to jail. Don't get me wrong the dissenters have a right to be heard but only when it is their turn at the microphone any other time they should get stomped by the cops and carried off in cuffs .
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NeutronActivation
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J_Jammer [removed]
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NeutronActivation:
You want to control people's way of communicating.
That's so free of you.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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oddree
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NeutronActivation:
It may be a little much to ask that they be stomped and shocked for disruption, but escorting those folks out would help move along the discussions.
These discussions are turned based. To heckle, shout over, and keep others from speaking is *NOT* at all helpful. It's disrespectful and childish.
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oddree
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Jay_Cox
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So many adults acting like scared angry children. The sky isn't falling. There are no death panels. It is going to cost more tax dollars, but we will live in a nation where less people fall in the cracks then now. Maybe when people are more equal and less desperate to survive, we as a society can conduct town hall meetings with respect for other individuals even if one doesn't share their point of view.
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Jay_Cox
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Jay_Cox:
So you agree with everything that Congress is proposing for this health care? EVERYTHING?
And if not what is it that you don't agree with?
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J_Jammer [removed]
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TheEmpireGuy
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Signs should have read "Standing Together, For Nothing New."
With socialized health-care your going to have the same thing you have now, just run by different people. You'll get the same service, but under new management.
Same candy, different wrapper.
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TheEmpireGuy
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ModelTrainGuy
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Excellent video!
It seems people are afraid of change.....afraid of something better.
I don't like the idea of The Elderly being shafted.
The woman in the wheelchair being heckled like that was VERY disturbing. She deserved to be heard. People forget: No matter what...EVERYONE has a place "a talent" in this world. Everyone Does.
I'm in STRONG support of HR 676.
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ModelTrainGuy
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Huffington post is a lying news source and I have lost a lot of respect for....what very little I've had.
I really voted this down because no one in this video BIT THE FREAKIN' FINGER off an old man like a pro-Obama man.
BIT A FINGER OFF.
Oh no they heckled a woman...did she lose a finger? Did a hater bite a finger off? No.
Should they treat her like that? No. They were wrong.
But this video sucks.
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raffert1989
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This video is very upsetting to me not because of the manner of the people in this town hall meeting but because of the manner in which this video degrades, demoralizes and pity's the disabled. Does it matter at all that this woman used a wheelchair??? If any person with a terminal illness had been telling their story but they didn't have a visible disability this wouldn't be on here. I am also very offended by the usage of the phrase wheelchair bound in the title.
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raffert1989
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BullDogg
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My town hall meeting lasted for 2 hours. Most of the time was burned up by people telling their sob stories and only a few people were allowed to ask questions about the proposed health care bill. It felt like I was at a support group and not a public forum. I feel bad for sick people, but you are only pissing people off when you don't ask a question in a timed meeting with your elected official. Respect in the crowd has to go both ways...?
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BullDogg
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WakeUpPeople
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BullDogg:
I agree that there should be respect on both sides of the debate, but you have to admit that the people in life or death situations are probably going to talk longer to get there message across than people who are there to just ask a question?
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WakeUpPeople
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TheOuroborus
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"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? "
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TheOuroborus
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FuriousLion
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Double Ignorance.....poor lady, all she wanted was to be heard not yelled at...
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FuriousLion
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EmperorThan
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If I was in her place I would have started shouted a barrage of fuck words at them.
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EmperorThan
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TheEmpireGuy
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It's safe to say that we all want health-care reform.
We all just disagree with how we should go about doing that. - 2 years ago
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TheEmpireGuy
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oddree
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It's important to recognize that most of these town hall discussions are very civil and people are treating each other respectably. But that doesn't make for "good television" (current covered this in a humorous way on last weeks Infomania).
Spreading these videos around doesn't help anything. You are discouraging people on both sides of the issue from showing up. Watching videos like these on the news (along with some unnecessary commentary) just further polarizes people on the issue.
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oddree
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WakeUpPeople
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oddree:
This is a polarizing issue. That's why regular people are shouting at a genetically handicapped woman. Shall we ignore the polarization altogether and therefore stop reporting the insanity? I don't think so. I think it's important for us to know what is happening across our nation. I'm not sure it can be ignored, because then it will seem as though it is tolerated. The civil rights movement would not have succeeded if people across the country did not see the abuses, and I think it is the same principle here.
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WakeUpPeople
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oddree
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oddree:
I am inclined to agree, but that is not what is taking place here. I am not seeing any (let alone equal) air time given to the majority of the town hall discussions where people are acting appropriately.
Let me apply your example of the civil rights movement. What if we were only shown the footage of the KKK rallies and blacks being stormed down with fire hoses? Imagine if Dr. Martin Luther King's message was not delivered at all through the media.
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oddree
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maasanova
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Wow, that was a good video! Meanwhile, Moveon.org members are biting the fingers off people who don't agree with them. Boy, it's getting ugly!
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The finger-biting incident occurred after a member of the group protesting health care reform, William Rice, 65, of Newbury Park, became involved in a heated discussion with a member of Code Pink, sheriffs Capt. Ross Bonfiglio said.
After the argument, Rice returned to where his own group was standing.
A man from Moveon.orgs area then walked over to the opponents and verbally confronted Rice, allegedly calling him names and acting aggressively, Bonfiglio said.
Rice later told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, Bonfiglio said.
The punch set off a fist fight between the two men, during which the tip of Rices left pinky finger was bitten off, Bonfiglio said.
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maasanova
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maof4brats [removed]
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This NEWS REPORTER IS A REAL ONE!
This is sick people booing a woman thats in a wheelchair. Then that crazy eye woman talking about the knock on the door by the death panel WTF!If you are on Medi-care you are using SOCIALIZED medicine......You stupid PUTTS.
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mckcall
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, He, he, he, good grief....I never thought that you guys were this messed up. Seriously people, I live in Europe, where we have both private and public health care , and guess what, apart from the expected few hecklers, everyone is very happy with the system. What the hell are Americans freaking out about???? What Obama is trying to do is good for the USA.
If the general Amarican public can't see that and agree then I guess it's time to rethink if the UNITED STATES should stay united. - 2 years ago
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mckcall
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diabolical44
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mckcall:
meh. we've survived alot worse times than this before. We musn't allowe the corporate whores and their propaganda to tear us apart. They've been the source of the fomentation of hatred on all of these big type of issues for 150 years now. From Slavery to Social Security to Civil Rights and Now Healthcare. The side that stands for civil justice and for what is right will prevail as long as the people do not give up
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diabolical44
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hunzedog
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what;no guns?
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hunzedog
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Abraham99
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Here in America, we might shout her down and be mean, but on the Achille Lauro hijacked ship, the Arab Moslem fundamentalists took Mr. Leon Klinghoffer who was also bound in his wheelchair, and threw him into the Atlantic and drowned him.
The fundamentalists don't believe in shouting people down. You will never get the virgins in ala's sex heaven for shouting down someone. You have to murder people. - 2 years ago
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Abraham99
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WakeUpPeople
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Abraham99:
Well, at least they're just a little better than terrorists. So here's the heirarchy...
1st place - Decent Respectful Americans That Participate In Civil Discourse
2nd place - Fascist Brown Shirt Americans That Shout Down And Intimidate Their Fellow Countrymen/women
3rd place - Terrorists That Throw Handicapped People Overboard - 2 years ago
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WakeUpPeople
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Abraham99:
what the fuck does this have to do with terrorists in Africa?
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diabolical44
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the stupidity of the average American never ceases to Amaze me. we are a nation that is seemingly populated by uneducated loudmouth rednecks manipulated by greedy selfish hedonistic businessmen.
Education is the key to all of our problems. If the people were only educated on the issues and took the time to learn about them, we would be alot better off.
There can be no liberty without education. Knowledge is power.
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diabolical44
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The bottom line is that it’s a government program, which will be run by public bureaucrats.
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diabolical44
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bielski:
as opposed to what? ... the current system which happens to be run by Private insurance bureaucrats. At least the public bureaucrats won't be trying to make a profit off your illnesses.
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diabolical44
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WakeUpPeople
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bielski:
Q: So who do you think is running health care now? A: Private bureaucrats who answer to shareholders FIRST.
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WakeUpPeople
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bielski:
Ahh... you just barely beat me to it diabolical. :)
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WakeUpPeople
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bielski:
You mean like the publicly run Medicare and Veterans system? Or like the government run Hospital in Bethesda where Republican Senators go for surgery?
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bielski:
Nice language and spelling skills you have. Now look at the fact:
1. Medicare
Those on it are very satisfied and it is one of the largest government run programs that exist. You can go to any doctor with this plan.2. Bethesda
I was referring to Bethesda and Betheda ONLY. That is a government run hospital. And Republican Politicians, that are against government run anything, use it liberally for their care:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/gopers-decrying-socialize_n_275196.htmlDo not read what I did not write. Or are you one of those who only see what they want to see?
3. VA
The VA does take care of VETS. Too bad Bush cut funding for the VA. They are underfunded. At least nobody id thrown into the streets via taxi cab, like in the private sector (here in LA there is video of that happening). And at least the VETS do not have to worry about having their care retroactively canceled or worry about re-existing conditions. Talk about rationing care in the private sector! - 2 years ago
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bielski:
Does Bethesda service only Republicans?
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StandaboveUnderstand
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I made the mistake of being born in NJ and now I think I am just staying for the pizza.
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RudyRudell
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this is just bonkers. the overwhelming majority of the country wants healthcare reform. thats one reason obama got elected.
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crob80227
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Brilliant video. Everyone should watch it.
Loved this exchange:
"This is a handicapped woman who is afraid she'll lose her home because of medical bills."
(long pause as anti-Obama hysteric ponders that statement)
"Well, I don't know why a woman in a wheelchair should have more rights than me!"
And there it is. The unspoken obsessive/irrational fear ppeople have that "others" are going to "steal" from them if the system is reformed.
The ill woman (who didn't become sick through "sin" as most Republicans believe is how people get sick) was merely pointing out that being ill -- and being ill through no fault of her own -- shouldn't result in a choice between bankruptcy/homelessness and staying alive.
In the Republican mind this common sense observation that illness shouldn't mean instantly poverty somehow translates into "We're all going to die! Death Panels! These welfare parasites are going to tax my paycheck at a 99 percent tax rate! They are all welfare bums and minorities and drug addicts! Aarrgghhhh! Death to Obama!"
You cannot reason with people that irrational and that hysterical.
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crob80227
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crob80227:
The ignorance of your post astounds me. Most Republicans believe people get sick through sin. Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that most Republicans are that stupid? This is the real problem with American politics, you honestly believe that the other side is so ignorant that you feel you can't even relate.
As for the "irrational" fear that people are going to steal from them, how do you think we're going to pay for all this? What do you think taxes are? You are forced to pay them on pain of imprisonment. I'd call that legal theft if there ever was one.
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ProjectBat
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crob80227:
Most Republicans DO believe that any kind of social safety net is a bad idea because only lazy or immoral people would ever need something such as WIC or Social Security.
This is core bedrock Republican dogma.
poor people = lazy, evil, etc
Thus whenever its suggested that a social safety net be added the common REPUBLICAN complaint is voiced as, "Why should I be forced to pay for someone else's bad decisions?"
So, yes, most Republicans really do view ALL financial hardships as "personal failings" and not just the result of outside circumstances.
In the typical Republican worldview there are no middle-class working poor. The vast majority of poor people recieving government assistance are also WORKING 40hrs a week or more...but the typical Republican refuses to accept that reality.
Ronald Regan started the "welfare queen" myth and the Republican have embraced it deeply.
Healthcare is just another way for them to express their dogmatic belief that the "poor" or people who simply cannot afford to write a check for $250,000 for chemotherapy are only in that situation because they are evil, lazy, stupid, etc.
Again, their major complaint is "Why should I be forced to pay for lazy person's health problems?"
The reality is that "lazy" person is probably working 50hrs a week doing hard manual labor at a factory --- and the Republican who is complaining about paying for "lazy poor people" probably only puts in 40hrs sitting at a desk doing very little.
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crob80227:
Funny how Republicans trot out that "taxes are nothing but legal theft" when it comes to issues that they don't agree with, but the vast majority of the people that caused the financial meltdown were these same people who didn't have a problem (other than false lip service) with using taxes to bail them out.
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crob80227:
Good point, Stever.
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crob80227:
I can not think of a single Republican who would say that you have no right to Tax me to fund the Defense Department. Yet if Taxation is legal theft, then it is theft, no matter the use it is put to. The fact is that this Nation is a UNION, that is designed to "promote the general Welfare." and "Insure domestic tranquility." How's that for quoting the Constitution.
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imp_print
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Love the bug eyed fear monger. It seems soooo much scarier with a female version of Uncle Fester saying it.
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imp_print
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imp_print:
I wonder how much respect she will get when she's old and grey? I think she had none for the elderly.
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ModelTrainGuy
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hpseaton
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The people yelling the loudest are usually the ones who have no anchor in facts.
Hate to say it...but they get most of their information from Fox and Limbaugh, and their information is almost always wrong.
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hpseaton:
It is so easy to connect the dots between these people and the right wing echo chamber of ideas. You frequently hear them repeating word for word the exact phrases that people like Hannity and Beck and Limbaugh use.
case in point: in the video on this story a guy in line mentions Cuba having no toilet paper. That comes directly from a story on Glenn Beck and many other right wing propagandists shows. Many of them used that "story" to illustrate the failings of "socialism".
Socialism, by the way, is something that 99% of these people can't define or even explain. To them, socialism typically means "undeserving niggers and poor people taking my hard earned money".
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diabolical44
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hpseaton:
That's VERY True!
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ModelTrainGuy
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Damn Jackals!
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Apocalipstick
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Incredulous
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no shortage of ignorance in this country...
or arrogance
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jh64487
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my family, just like every other white american's family, came here because there own homeland was screwed up. if this is what being an american is nowadays i'm going back to europe.
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jh64487:
If I knew better, I would have tried going to Europe YEARS ago!
Recently, I have gotten hints to move there!
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ModelTrainGuy
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WakeUpPeople
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What happened to decent Americans? We're all supposed to have an equal voice in our govt. It was this woman's turn to speak her mind to her representative, and she gets shouted down by people who disagree with her. This isn't how democracy works people. The ones who think Obama is facsist for trying to expand access to health care are the ones that are behaving most like fascists when they shout down and intimidate people with opposing views.
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WakeUpPeople
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WakeUpPeople:
Agreed! 110% percent!
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ModelTrainGuy
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WakeUpPeople:
I couldnt have said it better myself.
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