Faster troop withdrawal may save $1 trillion
source: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/09/military_troopwithdrawals_cost_090309w/
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That would be a sizeable cut in defense-related spending from 2010 through 2019, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates at $7.4 trillion.
The budget forecast, issued as Congress is about to return from a summer break and confront questions about budget priorities and deficit spending, says defense costs are uncertain because budget analysts cannot predict the number of deployed troops and the pace of operations.
The $7.4 trillion price tag is based on the number of deployed troops remaining at about 210,000, but looks at two scenarios for reductions:
• A sharp reduction in troops over three years, resulting in $1.1 trillion in savings. Under this projection, the number of deployed troops falls to 160,000 in 2010; to 100,000 in 2011; to 35,000 in 2012 and to 30,000 from 2013 to 2019.
• A more gradual decline that shaves $700 billion off the $7.4 trillion defense spending estimate. It assumes 210,000 deployed troops in 2010; 190,000 in 2011; 150,000 in 2012; 100,000 in 2013 and 75,000 in 2014 and beyond.
The report does not suggest what the money saved from the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan should be used for, but the Defense Department surely would make a bid to keep at least some of it to pay for unfunded weapons modernization programs.
The budget and economic update notes that Congress has allocated $944 billion so far for Iraq and Afghanistan operations — $849 billion in direct spending by the Defense Department, $51 billion for diplomatic efforts, $42 billion to aid Iraq and Afghanistan police and military forces and $2 billion to cover costs such as increases in veterans benefits and services.
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jh64487
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what do we do with all those soldiers i wonder? got some serious headcases coming back and were already at 9.7% unemployment.
abandon ship!
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jh64487
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whohaven
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We've been in these counties way too long. Bring our troops back in this calendar year. We have no business impoing our will on those people Let them live as they wish..
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whohaven
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Tyr
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I'd like to know what the dire consequences would be if we left the same way we got there....would it be the same thing as when we came home from Vietnam...which was nothing, no army followed us home, we didn't have to fight them here instead of over there like we are being told,now. The only thing that I can see different now from when we were in Vietnam is that we now buy flower pots made in Vietnam at Costco, Vietnamese ladies run nail salons and people take vacations there now.
There was no "domino " effect, all of southeast Asia didn't fall...please guys read a damned history book now and then and learn something from it.
The only thing that we accomplished during the entire Vietnam war was laying 58,000 plus young American men in their graves. How high will the number get in the middle east before we decide that we can't outlast people in their own country...that no matter how long you stay there they will still be there when you leave. we are as likely to bring them to our way of seeing things as they are to bring us around to their way. Which is to say, it will never happen. What this misadventure IS accomplishing is bankrupting us, if we are not wise we a re going to end up like the Soviet Union. Afghanistan was what took them out of the game, not Ronald Reagan saying tear down this wall... - 2 years ago
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Tyr
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Tyr:
Now it's Obama's fault. The blame can now go to him.
Say it....It's now Obama's fault. That is what's most important to so many people...placing the blame not fixing the problem.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Tyr
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Tyr:
Actually it is the fault of the American people as a society that doesn't call a general strike if necessary to break the strangle hold that the military industrial complex has on us. We , meaning you, and I and our neighbors that don't take direct and immediate action we are the blame. If you wish to transfer the blame to Obama feel free or Bush or whomever.
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Tyr
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Tyr:
The President tells the Army what to do.
The people just elect. No protest ever stopped a war.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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kennymotown
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Great this would pay for SINGLE PAYER health care.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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kennymotown:
as much as you think that's a caring comment it comes off as selfish when combined with this article.
These people are over there fighting and all you care about is what happens to you. Didn't even question if it was safe for them to be pulled out that fast or what damage would happen to others.
You are one of the people that claims the media hides things and yet the only---ONLY---way you can state that there is something bad or it's not working over there with this war is through the MEDIA. So you could very well be one of those people that think they know how it is over there and be under the wrong impression...meaning that those over there hearing about faster pull out might be excited to come home earlier but first think whether or not that safe for them as a whole.
But no, people like you think of WOW now I'll get mine.
Just like Obama who pretends to care. This pretend to care is the worst thing to see in people.
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Drew_Apicture
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We can finally pay China back
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brit50
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I was a supporter of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in the early 2000's. But, I am now reconsidering my take on the situation. Especially, when we spend 500 Billion a year on foreign war affairs in these areas. Some of that money must be brought back to the states. The U.S. should have a somewhat sizable force in the Middle East overall for safety purposes. But, not the overwhelming forces now found there. If I had to come up with an alternate solution to fighting in Afghanistan I would commit a large portion of the fighting force to border control along Afghanistan and Pakistan. Stop the flow of terrorists in and out. Yes it is much harder than it sounds of course.
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brit50
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brit50:
If the intent of the Iraq war was to depose Saddam, then victory has been achieved.
We should bail and let the Iranians have it. It's Saudi Arabia's problem now, not ours.
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samthesixth
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unclecharlie
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You wanna know why we're over there? I'll tell you why we're over there!! I'll tell you why- once somebody tells me! but if anyone knows, please tell me, so I'll have something to say to peacelovenweed. With apologies to George Strait...."It's a war without end...Amen."
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unclecharlie
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peacelovenweed
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peace and not war!! my god, when are we going to quit fighting and killing everyone? i mean why in the hell are we ACTUALLY over there? i've forgotten, because we've been told several different things for the past 10 yrs... we have bigger issues on our soil that aren't being delt with! we've been at war for almost 10 YEARS! wow
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peacelovenweed
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kstein
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What about the Vets, I doubt the DOD budget monies, would got to the Veterans Affair, which it should. God bless and keep the American solider. but should we even withdraw in the first place? now their fighting in China.
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kstein
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unthought89
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how about this yall give us an actuall date of withdraw insted of changing it every day. I women and men need to come home now !
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unthought89
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lifestudentno83
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We might save a whole TRILLION dollars getting out of Iraq, but the corporations are making a killing while we are there.
The Taxpayers will have to wait until the rich boys are done playing Risk and Monopoly in the Middle East.
And by taxpayers, I'm referring to the troops also.
I mean, yeah, I guess we can save several hundred THOUSAND innocent lives by leaving, but don't count on it. This is corporate America's new Vietnam.
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lifestudentno83:
You fail to calculate how much money each soldier gets for being over there. They get paid a hefty bonus for being deployed. They also get a whole lot of money for just being in the combat zone.
So after all that is calculated you can then present us with those numbers and then the numbers of what corporate people are getting out of this and we can see where the fault actually lies----with them or Obama's government spending.
Actually it doesn't really matter since most of those in the military don't really like Obama to begin with. He cut their salary for them sacrificing their lives to protect (and this is what they believe so lets not get into semantics) America.
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lifestudentno83:
you want to document those accusations J Jammer...sounds like the famous Fox news misnomer, "some people say"
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lifestudentno83:
What accusations?
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kstein
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lifestudentno83:
yes they are promised bonuses if they live long enough to collect, they also have been discharging on "pre-existing conditions" so they lose their benifits.
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Tyr
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Does anybody have the numbers on how much money we have blown since WWII on our military industrial complex and their overseas catastrophes? Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama,...and why in the world do we have an army in Germany and Japan...I think we can leave them now, I think WWII has been won long enough to conclude that we won.
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Tyr
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Tyr:
And you have a air base in Portugal, you have to tell why that one is still here
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I don't think we can afford to be world police anymore. What ever happened to the idea of living within our means?
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery." -Charles Dickens, 'David Copperfield'
Less military, more innovation.
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drewsuf721
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asherp
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And lives?
Don't forget the lives.
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asherp
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ProjectBat
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Yes, this plan makes a whole lot of sense and is the right thing to do. So naturally it won't happen. We'd need a President who doesn't love government spending nearly as much as Obama first.
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ProjectBat
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Progresshiv
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The Taliban are real.
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Progresshiv
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Progresshiv:
Yeah. And so are the tens of millions of unemployed, uninsured americans. How about we think of our own people before we destroy half of afghanistan trying to find some stupid shits who are just going to force us to kill another million innocent civilians.
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Progresshiv:
They're not stupid, and they can't force us to do anything, unless we let them.
I hear your point about domestic misery, loud and clear, and we need to stop using foreign enemies as scapegoats to avoid facing our responsibilities here at home. Nevertheless, the Taliban and Al Qaida are real, and we have to deal with that.
Perhaps a reinvigorated Peace Corps to reach the millions in situations similar to those in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, etc.?
My youngest son has been in Peru for two years as a Peace Corps volunteer. He has had no trouble making friends and teaching in an elementary school. It is not as easy to advertise as the Marine Corps, but I think it's more effective, if what we truly want is to spread human rights.
I am against isolationism, insofar as it allows us to sit back and eat Cheetos while the world goes to hell.
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Progresshiv
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Progresshiv:
now that sounds like change I can believe in
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photi
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military down,health all the way up.(could use that money to get rid of health problem)
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photi
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samthesixth
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Let's do it. Withdraw and save the money.
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samthesixth
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WakeUpPeople
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There's that magic $1 Trillion figure that keeps popping up in the debates about stimulus and health care. If America wasn't quite so imperialistic, we could easily afford to take care of our own national crises.
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WakeUpPeople:
via a government that spends money like water.... especially when democrats are in power. Schools are falling a part but they decide that it's wise to give car companies billions. So awesome of them. What's next? Giving money to Mexico to help them with their drug war?
oh wait....
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WakeUpPeople:
it does not matter which party is in power. how about instead of stealing the money from the people let the people actually keep the fruits of their labor(we are not your slaves) and keep that trillion dollars (and all the other money that is stolen from us). then people could afford health care and afford to give to charities for less fortunate people who cannot afford health care. we don't need another mommy and daddy. we can take care of ourselves. get govt. out of our lives NOW! govt. cannot fix the problem, govt. is the problem.
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WakeUpPeople:
both of you are fools. as near as i can tell (if were pinning the blame on presidents) than dem's are the only ones that have seen a surplus. so fail jj.
as for the baloney about gov failing. maybe in america, because america can't seem to get it's shit together. In fact throughout the world we can see that gov IS the answer when done right. when the system doesn't revolve entirely around greed. yay america! founded on greed, existing on greed, dying on greed. whoo!
i just...i just don't think ya'll read enough.
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jh64487
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WakeUpPeople:
Greed is a world problem, not an American problem.
Read more.
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afloyd60
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WakeUpPeople:
I’m sorry you feel the need to resort to name calling rather than rational, logical discourse. I’m also sorry you feel the need to have the government take care (control) of your own life. And lastly, I’m sorry you are still stuck in the false left/right paradigm. This country has been in steady decline since at least the Wilson administration. Who has been in control in all this time? The republicans AND the democrats (both puppets). We have been deceived.
“…gov IS the answer when done right”. What have you been reading(or smoking for that matter)? What government has ever done things right? One merely needs to look to history to see that all governments eventually become controlled by the power elite, the money changers. The closest any government has come to doing “things right” is the USA when the Constitution was implemented. A quote from Thomas Jefferson:
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
Since you believe greed to be one of the principle faults in our system then perhaps you will agree with me that the Federal Reserve has got to go. A central bank that issues fiat currency has no place in a free market economy. Although, a little greed is good for a free market economy to function so long as laws are not broken or sanctioned by the government, as is the case with fractional reserve banking(fraud) – i.e. the central banks. If you understand what the central banks do then you also come to the realization that war would be nearly impossible without them. A few excerpts from G. Edward Griffin’s book: The Creature From Jekyll Island.
“…when the state delegates assembled to draft the Constitution, the effects of fiat money were so fresh in their minds they decided to put an end to it once and for all. Then, the new republic not only rapidly recovered but went on to become the economic envy of the world—for a while, at least—until the lesson had been forgotten by following generations.”
“The ancient alchemists sought in vain to convert lead into gold. Modern alchemists have succeeded in that quest. The lead bullets of war have yielded an endless source of gold for those magicians who control the Mandrake Mechanism. The startling fact emerges that, without the ability to create fiat money, most modern wars simply would not have occurred. As long as the Mechanism is allowed to function, future wars are inevitable.”
However, I doubt that this is what you had in mind when you made your statements about greed. I hope that you or someone else that reads this will see that it is the Federal Reserve that is public enemy #1 and that without this putrid entity we could have peace and prosperity. I’ll leave you with one last quote from Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." --sounds familiar doesn’t it?
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afloyd60