John Stossel - Stupid In America: A Look At Education
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samthesixth
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Every year the chronicle for higher education reports on an international survey that illustrates the longer a kid stays in the American public school system, the further behind his/her international peers he/she falls.
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samthesixth
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lmg501
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And who is watching those children? Where are the parents? It's not the job of NEA or the teacher or administration to parent. Society needs to change its views on what is important. Too much media dumbs the nation. Parents need to talk to their children, turn off the TV and video games, read, and do as those in the UK do.
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lmg501
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kstein
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lmg501:
you are right, stop withe the extra "values" classes and TEACH core classes, stop yapping with the other teachers and spend time watching the kids. And who taught the majority of those parents in the first place? PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS! and stop buying imported goods and support the business that parents work at to pay your salaries.
support the parents value systems, not gossip about them in front of the kids, accept their disablities, and encourage assistive tech instead of looking at the costs and how it is going to interfere with your benifits. Your right teachers are not parents stop trying to be their parents, and stop the madness circle. - 2 years ago
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kstein
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kstein
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There once was a book called Johnny Cant Read, I believe this came out in the 70s then there is Johnny still cant read, and the next book should be Johnny will never read. The NEA is in deeper than anyone realizes,into the policy making and there agenda is not our kids. We are the richest country and put more money into our ED system than any other country, and still come behind 3rd world countries, in testing. The Dutch and other UK school students are actually laughing at us at how dumbing down we are. Its not more money that we need. Somewhere along the line we had a tipping point where school staff went from being public servants to government royality. And some areas the kid could care less about getting an education. Who are sitting in the free libraries in summer? Not inner city kids.
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kstein
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J_Jammer [removed]
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The problem with schools is the TEACHER'S UNION.
Unions SUCK.They cause more problems than they fix.
The only unions I think work are the Writer's Guild and the Actor's Guild and that's it.
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shanklinmike
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J_Jammer:
Even those unions are a war on consumerism....
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shanklinmike
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J_Jammer:
They at least strike when it's reasonable to do so...and they keep the greedy pockets of those who are the producers in check. They are necessary. But unions with teachers and the like do nothing but hinder progress and cause things to be worse than they are.
Unions is one of the reason the car companies failed. Unions is one of the MAIN reasons schools fail. It's not a joke when the Principle in that video said that it takes million years to fire a teacher....it's true. You can have an abusive teacher to students and the union will not allow you to fire them. They are a hindrance to kids as a whole.
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BKsaysAction
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I think our education needs to be fixed but some of you seem like you want to abolish it and that doesn't make any damn sense. That would cause things to get worse but anyways, maybe instead of worrying so much on the military maybe our government should spend some cash on Education for once instead of it being the money pool we use to pay for eveyrthing else. Although I do believe in having unions on certian things, they have become so big and greedy they're hurting the things they were ment to protect. Our country needs an overhaul and we should start with education. I just want to make sure our country isn't going down the wrong path and that the film Idiocracy stays a movie and not a glimse into our future.
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BKsaysAction
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shanklinmike
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BKsaysAction:
Haha, did you not watch the video? Endless streams of money to failing slave monopolies IS the problem. Shit, I mean, shit.....does anyone even research the links? I just don't get it. There are some great videos on this page, especially the Drew Carey one where they talk about the fallacy of excess spending....but no, just ignore that and form your clueless opinion.....I just can't handle this much stupidity....no wonder our country is enslaved.
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shanklinmike
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BKsaysAction:
Call my stupid but I still think public schools can work. As a matter of fact I did watch both videos and although privite schools work better in the long run I still don't trust completely privatising anything that important. What seems to be the problem in most city schools are unions. I came from a State that didn't allow unions in schools and they worked fine untill the state started taking money from their budget for other things which a union could have stopped. As I stated before I still think they are a use for unions just not in the way they work in places like LA . I agree they tend to do more harm than good but as soon as we privatise everything and as soon as we take away unions you'll see some industry mogul finding a way to make profit from schools and it'll be just as bad if not worse than public schools are now. We need balance coverage of both private and public and getting rid of one of them won't solve anything.
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JohnGalt
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Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.
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JohnGalt
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TruthBTold
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critic you are correct. Here is the typical Liberal. I have nothing intellectual to debate so I will attack the individual or the individuals that do have something intelligent to say.
I mean come on "And what the hell is up with that moustache and haircut? Who does he think he is, Magnum Rivera P.I.? I hope you all realize that he is going to grow up into another Andy Rooney, complaing about how moustahces aren't in style like they we're when he was young."
What the hell does that have to do with the video?
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TruthBTold
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critic
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@ fearless typical Liberal approach "John Stosel is stupid." We have to attack someone by name calling. Liberals can't rebuttal against the argument, they can't reason and that is why they always attack people by calling them names.
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critic
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Mulcahey
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I spent a summer debunking this report when I interned at Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting. Check it out at the link.
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Mulcahey
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shanklinmike
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Mulcahey:
Is this Bruce Babbitt?
Seriously, take your slavery somewhere else.
We are tired of you oligopolizing industries around us with the bipartisan help of the republican neocons. You guys are clueless. You can keep your government numbers....you call this a debunking?
The laws of nature didn't change bro, you are still a slavery supporter.
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shanklinmike
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Mulcahey
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Mulcahey:
Interesting. Care to address any of the points made in the FAIR piece?
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kitteneater
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Mulcahey:
Mulcahey: 1
Shanklinmike: 0 - 2 years ago
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kitteneater
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Mulcahey:
I disagree
Mulcahay: 0
Shanklinmike: 0
Let them debate it and then well have a score.
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MinneapolisMafia
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Chemical Dumbing Down of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYrSfnsqb0
Charlotte Iserbyt - Deliberate Dumbing Down of the World
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MinneapolisMafia
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shanklinmike
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lmg:
I would like to hear who you would compare to John Stossel in the major media. Please give me 3 examples (since they are so abundant) of people who practice libertarian principles such as anti-war, pro-economic freedom, pro-civil liberties, and calls themselves libertarian. I would like at least 2 examples (and no, Glenn Beck is not a true libertarian so PLEASE stop thinking that just because Fox News or his crew might try to tell you that).
Peace
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike:
anyday, now.....since John Stossel is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mainstream......
Please, identify libertarian media for me!
I can show you thousands of Keynesians and big government interventionists in the main media.....especially at Fox News and CNN......they are all for different types of their own big government
We got the 6 corporate media networks that hate Liberty at it's base because their networks were all built on protectionism....
Seriously, can someone please tell me we live in a free market so I can laugh real quick.
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shanklinmike
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John Stosel is stupid. How can anyone take him seriously when he approaches a subject this important in the same way a local reporter would aproach a story about a vending machine safety or gas station attendants that don't give you correct change. He's trying to scare old people into watching, but just for the ad revenue, not to educate anyone or offer real solutions. And what the hell is up with that moustache and haircut? Who does he think he is, Magnum Rivera P.I.? I hope you all realize that he is going to grow up into another Andy Rooney, complaing about how moustahces aren't in style like they we're when he was young.
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fearless
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shanklinmike
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fearless:
Nice facts....I can tell you really researched this.....
(sarcasm)
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shanklinmike
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samthesixth
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fearless:
Attack the message, not the messenger.
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samthesixth
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DaveRN
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Can't wait for John to do an expose' on hom skule...
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samthesixth
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DaveRN:
When he does you'll find that home schoolers score significantly higher on standardized tests than non home schoolers. It must be that "smaller classrooms are good" educational philosophy in action.
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samthesixth
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The problem with education today is those who are in education do not understand the true meaning of education.
The best of example of such scenario can be found at many of California State University campuses, like Calstate LA, Fresno State, etc.
We have incompetent, unqualified, stupid administrators running the operation to boost their ego rather than to enrich and enlighten the minds of the students. We have good (the right teachers) discouraged so badly they leave the profession, giving ground to less qualified teachers to further corrupt the students. This is the picture we have today. And the result is what we all see: a mess. This nation cannot continue to compete against the world's fast changing global economic landscape because we've failed to produce competent and capable workers. It all starts in education - both at home and at school.
America has begun its journey in disgrace. And we have bad politicians (school and university administrators) to blame on. These are the elements that are responsible for the destruction of our country. And they have to power to fire good teachers - the construction workers of a better nation.
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lmg501
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John Stossell is a part of the dumbing of America. The media does nothing but sensationalize what the people want to hear, not what they need to hear. For how many weeks did the media sensationalize a drug addict who doctor shopped for sleeping medication that eventually killed him. Michael Jackson was in the top of the news for weeks. Why? When was the last time Mr. Stossel stepped into a classroom to see teachers working for low wages, yet, caring about every one of their students on an academic and emotional level? How dare he say we are dumbing down America in education when it is his own profession who reports such trivial reports. Where is the information about our government and how big business influences any decisions being made in government because these industries have the congressman in their pockets? Let's get it straight Stossel! You're not reporting. You are making money with a book of lies.
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lmg501
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shanklinmike
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lmg501:
I would like to hear who you would compare to John Stossel in the major media. Please give me 3 examples (since they are so abundant) of people who practice libertarian principles such as anti-war, pro-economic freedom, pro-civil liberties, and calls themselves libertarian. I would like at least 2 examples (and no, Glenn Beck is not a true libertarian so PLEASE stop thinking that just because Fox News or his crew might try to tell you that).
Peace
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shanklinmike
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samthesixth
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lmg501:
Don't shoot the messenger, debunk the message!
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samthesixth
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csmonut
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The change in society has much to do with failing education.
More parents are concerned about whether little Billie has the right clothes to wear, than the books he will need.
They are more concerned that the teachers give him a good grade, whether he deserves it or not. (Wouldn't want to make him learn the lessons now would they?)
Also....putting kids on drugs because they can't sit still is CRIMINAL!
Numerous studies have shown that hyper-active kids grow out of it and catch up in learning as they get toward and past adolescents. - 2 years ago
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csmonut
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Angel_Ethell
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A little light reading.
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jenlokken
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"In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions of intellectual and character education fade from their minds, and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people, or any of their children, into philosophers, or men of science. We have not to raise up from them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen -- of whom we have an ample supply. The task is simple. We will organize children and teach them in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way." ~ John D. Rockefeller Sr. ~
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Perhaps I am spoiled , but the schools here are very good . An astronaut , opera singer , lots of great minds have come from here . From public schools . As they function today I fear they are too much for profit and perhaps , not as well managed , still , excellent places for kids . I do think teachers should get better pay , you would be astonished at what extra lengths some of them go to for the kids . There may be places where the communities have allowed things to go wrong , that does not mean it has done so EVERYWHERE . John Stossel has lost his edge , And his credibility with me .
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shanklinmike
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artemis6:
Keep on supporting the status quo decline.....
we don't expect you to research this topic anyhow....
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shanklinmike
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artemis6:
yes but schools like the Milwaukee Public schools are so very bad the Mayor is taken over.
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artemis6:
no one is decrying teachers, it's the curriculum that it under fire. public schools are institutions of indoctrination. that doctrine is that of misinformation. Students are not encouraged to learn critical thinking skills, but rather are taught to regurgitate the data on command. this is not education. this is training monkeys to push a button.
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Those who trash public schools are the antithesis to our founding fathers, especially Thomas Jefferson who believed public education was a right of all. Shame on those who demonize the rignt of all people to education simply to appease their own selfish political motivations.
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JanforGore:
and this is where I disagree with Jefferson.......very rarely, but he had this wrong.
Just like slavery....
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JanforGore:
Oh, so you think slavery is not an abomination? Because Thomas Jefferson believed it was and even included ending it in his first draft of the Declaration of Independence. So why put the slavery add on onto this topic? What point were you trying to make? Again, to deny people of all economic backgrounds the same access to education is like denying people the right to water and food.
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JanforGore:
you mentioned the founding fathers, I stated that a majority of them got it wrong on allowing slavery....
what did you think I meant?
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JanforGore:
Water and food are provided by nature. Schools and teachers don't spring up from the ground.
It's not a natural, inalienable right. It's a privilege that everyone has an equal opportunity to attain.
There's a difference between having equal opportunities and equal entitlements. The first is the natural order, or freedom; the latter, is a man-made idea, tyranny, for it forces the redistribution of wealth.
Any attempt to exert control over another human is tyranny. No man is above another.
Is education something that everyone should have? Absolutely. Is is something that everyone should be forced to have? Absolutely, not. Those who do not pursue it, will pay in the end.
The world needs people to work at McDonalds, after all, and it certainly doesn't require a K12 education to do so.
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JanforGore:
I guess what I am trying to say, is that centralized coercive monopolies are long-run unsustainable and public education basically GUARANTEES a decline in education. Just look at the Belgium charter schools where their kids laugh at our public system. The biggest crime is to believe that simply voting laws into place will make everything work, most of the time, these laws impede success and only hamper the growth of other productive activities, such as creating higher quality schools....
I am trying to say, that monopoly laws and subsidies do not guarantee an education, as the current system reinforces.
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JanforGore:
@JanforGore Education Is Not A Right!
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JanforGore:
Again, people responding putting words in others' mouths. Where anywhere here did I type that people should have education "forced on them?" ACCESS to education for ALL is what I was speaking of. And to me having the ability to seek knowledge is just as important as having food and water. Unfortunately, it would seem there are those who even wish to take that ability away thus exacerbating the very conditions that lead to slavery and tyranny.
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JanforGore:
@Janforgore, Thomas Jeffersons education was reading, writing, math. Not Sex-ed, sports, music, arts, Gay Pride day, fundraisers, crap lunch foods, guidance, and they prayed before class, and they spanked kids, and there was no truancy, they worked at their own pace and no public funded transportation.
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JanforGore:
Jefferson was home schooled.
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JanforGore:
jan
you're exemplary of the failing of public education, does anyone think for themselves anymore? - 2 years ago
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shanklinmike
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Publics schools are institutions of coercion. Students are coerced to attend them. Parents are coerced to pay for them. – Gary Reed
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shanklinmike
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Religion, Greedy Corporations and bad Government leads to illiterate America. We need a Government here at home who will take care of business here at home and help friendly foreign nations when they ask for it and only send manpower in when they are expected to win and get out at the end. Stop policing the world. Protect Americans here and not halfway around the world. Stop lying and cheating and offer our services when we become decent and civilized enough to know right from wrong and can gain people power over and above Government power.
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"That erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else." ~ H.L. Mencken ~
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When corporate interests and religious cults hijack education, ignorance is multiplied.
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Progresshiv:
The government is the biggest corporation out there!
I will take my children out of public schools because of religious differences. Public schools think they are God and I don't.
by the way, I am not a religious person, I am an agnostic.
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Progresshiv:
"Obviously, owners make better environmental guardians than renters. If the government sold its acreage to private ranchers, the new owners would make sure that they grazed the land sustainably to maximize profit and yield." A large-cooperate rancher could buy out a "Private rancher" just like that- environmental protection by true lassiez-faire is naive.
"Even our national parks are not immune from abuse. Yellowstone's Park Service once encouraged employees to trap predators (e.g., wolves, fox, etc.) so that the hoofed mammals favored by visitors would flourish." The same thing would happen under "libertarian" government, perhaps to a worse extent, because the business owning the park (no longer funded by taxes and probably bought out to be developed) would be doing it for profit. Please try again. :)
Edit: The fault lies neither in government nor business, but in money and our broken values centered around it. Good luck fixing that one.
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shanklinmike
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Our kids are trapped, Drew Carey explains.....
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike:
YAY....freedom. That was awesome video. Thanks for sharing.
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This is one of my big concerns since I had a child. Love John Stossel and his magnum mustache.
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rockgoods
